I'm not sure what the modern UI looks like but in this older one you would want to leave the Soft and Full Pull Bindings blank since those are digital bindings. You would want to use the Trigger Analog Output setting and change it from Analog Off to either Left Trigger or Right Trigger, depending on which button you're wanting it to be assigned to. This will give you an analog binding which is used for fine control of an axis.

I haven't used the new UI even once so unfortunately I don't have an answer for you.

Yes, but it was difficult to work with and there's a hard limit to how long of a combo you can do. You have to use a series of Activators where each has a little higher "Fire Start Delay". I made a video to showcase this but it was years before this specific video so it isn't quite as polished. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gsuXgNegz7fPeaM.html

@@criticalinput can I send you some capture.. have u a public email…where I can send you some captures?

@@criticalinput u have a discord channel or similar.?

Unfortunately I don't do this kinda stuff anymore and haven't kept up with the UI changes in the new Big Picture update. Best of luck.

For sure. I wasn't saying that SI was inferior to either of the other two; simply that Steam Input was missing some neat features that were found in other software.

I haven't been keeping up with channels covering the Deck UI Overhaul and I personally won't be making videos for it, so unfortunately I'm no help with that question. What do you mean "remap multiple commands in one action?" Are you wanting to assign a macro to a single Action? If so, Steam Input was never really great for that.

@@criticalinput thx mate best regards from Spain , nice to meet you!!!

Glad these videos are still helping people!

Most developers will create a custom curve for their game that most likely can't be replicated in SI. Not to mention that it will be paired with acceleration that also acts on a time based curve. My guess is that Wide is going to be the closest to what you're looking for but that none of the options are going to feel anywhere near the same as COD or Apex.

@@criticalinput I see, I was researching for a while so that I can decide whether to use wide, extra wide or a custom curve to use. Thank you.

Steam has a totally new UI for Steam Input that I have zero experience with. However from what I've heard none of the features have been removed, they've just been hidden. What used to take 3 clicks across 2 screens now takes 5 clicks across 4 screens. It's a pain for any power user to work with.

I don't believe Steam Input supports that. You might be able to make a macro to do that but there isn't any in built process. And even the macro is gonna be more work than it's worth since you'll be making a series of activators with varying amounts of start and end delay.

@@criticalinput Hey, I actually found how to do that last week. There's a programmable output that goes by "move by amount", that can move the mouse/ cursor relative to current position by predefined pixels on X and Y axis. Pretty handy! Edit: Quite a task to search unless you know the exact words/terminology used in the steam config setup!

I could be totally wrong here but I don't think the 6 extra buttons will be usable in either, at least not as independent buttons. If you find out that they aren't usable then I'd suggest looking into reWASD as they usually support the full features of controllers like that. I use a controller with 11 extra buttons and 1 extra joystick and all of it is supported.

@@criticalinput yeah you are right razer extra buttons cant be independent but the elite one can

Totally agree. I'm a huge FGC fan and have been following the Hitbox chronicles for the last few years, including seeing how Capcom combat this with their new SOCD cleaning in SF6 (which is actually opening up some new tech that's still only possible with SOCD / Hitbox).

It's good to hear that a lot of this is still applicable to the new Deck UI. I heard things got changed up quite a bit with that.

@@criticalinput yeah the only thing that’s really changed is the UI. All of the feature of Big Picture Mode is still there, it’s just hard to find. Besides that, have a good day!

@@criticalinput Oh man thank you for breaking these things down. I have been playing with the Dualsense for over a year on PC and I've never touch these Steam input settings because they are so difficult to understand and overwhelming. I'm setting Gyro to work on Steam and every game, aiming is just a new experience now.

I don't want to disappoint but I think it's important to be transparent about the state of the channel -- I'm not coming back to it. I work full time on a different channel making 30+ minute breakdown and analyses of music, primarily rock and metal. Outside of tech my other passion is music. I have formal education in music theory as well as classical composition. And I use that to explain what makes your favorite songs so great. But even aside from not having time, 4 years ago I moved on from Steam Input and the Steam Controller and haven't looked back. I now use reWASD exclusively, starting with the Dualshock 4 and then moving to the Flydigi Apex 2, which is honestly the most powerful controller out right now (though I do wish it had a touchpad somewhere). So if I did find time to come back I'd be making content for reWASD. Thanks for the words of support though and I hope these tutorials serve you well. I know Steam Input has changed recently but the videos should still be accurate in explaining what everything does.

@@criticalinput no worries man. And good for you. The music content isn’t my thing, but I’m glad you are doing something you enjoy. I’m just now finally really adapting to gyro controls and touchpads with the steam controller so I’ll probably keep at it for a good while, but eventually I’ll probably end up using rewasd and a newer controller as well. I’m just enjoying the learning and experimenting experience for now. And yeah steam input has changed a lot but there’s no good resources on working with the steam controller with the new big picture, so your content is still really relevant for now. Maybe I’ll check your other music channel out if I can find it easily. But unless you cover the really weird music (death stranding soundtrack is the GOAT 😆) I’ll probably just be here learning about the controller. Thanks again man.

If you get interested, my other channel is @criticalreactions. I mostly cover obscure, heavier metal bands. Lots of Death Metal, Black Metal, and Progressive Metal. It's not what I set out to do but it's the community that gravitated towards me so I started my metal journey 😂. I have analyzed some Touhou, Dark Souls, DOOM, and Nier music though. I'm actually surprised I've not been given a Death Stranding track yet, now that I think about it.

@@criticalinput I’ll check it out for sure. And if you are taking Death Stranding suggestions, ‘Breathe In’ by Low Roar was the first song that I ever wept in a sort of abstract high art way, moved by the experience in a way that transcended my own understanding at the time. There’s plenty on that soundtrack to talk about though.

It did a long time ago so I think it should still work.

I doubt I'll ever own a Steam Deck but luckily most of these tutorials work just fine for it. The big thing will be translating how to set these things up since the new UI is less intuitive than the BPM one.

I don't use Steam Input anymore so I have no idea. Though back in the old days of Steam Input odd bugs like this could be ironed out by updating Steam. You can force an update by changing version branches, moving between release to beta or vice versa.

Over the last few years I've thought about coming back as I loved working on these videos. But I want to be transparent and honest -- it's not going to happen. I stopped using both Steam Input and the Steam Controller not too long after ending the channel. I've voiced my frustrations with Steam in the past and there were too many hoops to jump through just to play my favorite games -- many of which I own outside of Steam (I'm a DRM-free fanboy 😅). I currently use reWASD with a Flydigi Apex 2 and haven't looked back. This combination is immensely powerful and I never feel held back by either the software nor hardware. I do miss the touchpads though... Furthermore I completely replaced the 40 hour weeks of working on this channel with.....40 hour weeks working on a different channel. 😄 Over there I breakdown and analyze music, explaining why people's favorite songs are as effective as they are. As my online handle, CriticalComposer, suggests -- I am a composer and have academic training in music theory that I bring to the analyses. So yeah, I'm never coming back to finishing up the Steam Input Essentials series. My attention has completely shifted away from it. I wouldn't mind making some one-off videos about controllers and profilers in general, maybe make some more unorthodox configs to show off, but even that would require time I don't typically have much of these days. Not to mention that I don't know how many people are interested in a niche device like the Apex 2 using non-free software. I'm glad you've found what I did create here informative and helpful and I'm sorry that I won't be returning to add more videos. I wish I could point you in the direction of others doing similar things but sadly all the ones I knew have moved on as well. Even RambleTan (formerly ExistentialEgg), who was the biggest VSC channel alongside mine back in the day, is also a Flydigi + reWASD fan now so I can't recommend them either. At the end of the day, the VSC has been discontinuted for 3(?) years now and sadly there are few people, if any, still making content for it. With any luck the popularity of the Steam Deck with the (subjectively atrocious Steam Input UI update) will drive a new generation of video makers to dive into the intricacies of the software.

@@criticalinput Thanks for taking the time to answer. I've come to your channel because I was setting up the Steam Input on my Steam Deck and it was a nightmare to figure out; now I know some of what can be achieved.

Could be a couple of things. First I'd make sure that the input is leaving Steam properly (gotta get a controller checker for that) then I'd make sure the game accepts analog inputs via injected emulation (which is how Steam Input functions). Worst case scenario would be using GloSI in tandem with Steam Input to get a global XInput driver for whatever game you're trying to play. Alternatively, switch from Steam Input to something else for this. Assuming your fightstick is a PS4 fightstick you could use wither JoyShockMapper (free but no GUI) or reWASD (paid but looks great and is easy to use).

I stopped using both Steam Input and the Steam Controller about 3 years ago. I switched over to reWASD with the Flydigi Apex 2 and haven't looked back at all. For Steam Controller users, especially power users of the device, reWASD might be missing a couple of features but for 99% of situations it does everything I want it to do. The thing I miss most is overlay menus (Radial or Touch Menus in Steam) but those will be coming out soon -- my guess will be in the Summer update.

Short answer, no. Those icons/glyphs aren't created by Steam, they're done by the developers and (usually) hardcoded into the game. A LOT of PC games **ONLY** support Xbox controllers so those are the only icons that a developer will program into the game. As a PC gamer you might know that games files can be edited and you're right, some games have mods to change the buttons to PS symbols or the Nintendo layout. But a vast majority of PC games aren't moddable -- in that they either don't have a modding scene to make the tools or the engine/files are too esoteric to bother dealing with. So I'll say a generous 1% of the time you'd be able swap the glyphs out with ones that match your controller but 99% of the time you're gonna be doing the mental gymnastics. And, at least for me, it just makes more sense to learn the gymnast skills for 100% of situations.

For what it's worth I've migrated over 100% to reWASD and have been using it for the past 3 or 4 years. This method should still technically work but at some point you gotta ask if using 3 programs in tandem (which all introduce latency) is worth using a controller for 😅

Set the joystick to a Directional Pad. Then you'll have separate bindings for the 4 directions.

GloSC got renamed to GloSI, so knowing that will probably help in your search. If you found the GitHub page, those release downloads are just master folders and you'd have to build the program yourself (that might be what you mean about just files and folders). To get the pre-built application you need to download it from Alia5's website: glossi.flatspot.pictures/

So this could be two things -- either your config is wrong or the games in question don't like Steam's method of input sending. If your joystick is set to digital with WASD assigned to the four directions, you ran the game through Steam, and the controller still doesn't work then there's a good chance that the game isn't compatible with Steam Input. As far as I knew Valorant was the only game that detected this and blocked it but things might have changed. If that's the case then you'll need to use another profiler. And if Activision/Blizzard is doing the same thing Riot does with Valorant than the only software that will bypass their detection is reWASD.

My guess would be that both Steam Input and GloSC (now called GloSI) are working. So you're getting the input from the injected code of Steam Input as well as from the emulated XInput device of ViGEm. I would check to see if the game works fine with just Steam Input first.

As far as I know you should be able to connect those two controllers and play multiplayer games without issue.

I....don't understand this. Are you saying that Steam "worked better" before they duct taped Steam Input onto it?

Seems the dev took down GloSC. As far as I know there isn't any backup of the original files unless you wanted to build it from the Github files.

If the game supports 8 players through DirectInput then I think you can, though I've never tested it myself

100%. DirectInput is more versatile than XInput in every way BUT it's more difficult for devs to work with because they can't expect the same inputs/names every time. If you played any PC game from pre-XInput you'll recall having to assign your buttons for every game. XInput brought Plug and Play to the table which made using a controller more convenient. But because of it's limitations you'll often find HOTAS and some racing wheels using DirectInput because of the need for more buttons/axes. There's pros and cons to both, and XInput could easily add more functionality to XInput to support Gyro or more axes of input. The stupidity is that they continue to lean on this archaic API while dominating the PC controller landscape.

It's been a long time since I use this program but if you need 8 unique inputs then you can set up a Radial Menu on the DPad and give it 8 bindings. Set it to activate on press and turn the menu opacity to 0.

@@criticalinput You're a genius. I spent hours trying to figure this out. Thx!

No probs! Glad I could help. For future help you should check out /r/steamcontroller on Reddit or the Gryo Gaming Discord server. discord.gg/VBdqEV7TtM

Drift is a hardware issue based on the wearing down of potentiometers. Until gamepad creators opt to use the superior Hall Effect Sensors every gamepad with a joystick will experience drift. And it's actually software that can help overcome drift by altering the deadzone of a joystick. As for CPU usage, neither of these three software use up much at all. JSM is literally a command prompt and a library that reads a text file. It doesn't get less resource intensive than that 😄 And finally, you not using software doesn't make your setup better. Easier and faster, sure I'll give you those. But what happens in a game that doesn't support controllers? Or doesn't support the controller you prefer? Or doesn't allow button remapping? Or doesn't use all of the features of your controller? What about accessibility issues? I guess in your world you'd give up and obey the people who made the game in a way that didn't account for you. But profiler users are people who think outside the box and play games the way we want to play them. We don't let the slowly evolving industry standards dictate the way we enjoy our hobby. And software like these three are the tools that allow us to do that.

Glad it helped and I do hope the Steam Deck software is similar enough to transfer this info over. To temper expectations, this project will likely stay where it is. I don't have any intentions on making the last couple of episodes nor updating the information for the Steam Deck. Not only have I moved away from Steam's controller software but I work full time on a different KZfaq channel now.