Yes bts doesn't do concepts

Bts didn't invent loving yourself. Need y'all to stop making the act of loving yourself a kpop thing.

@@lilli798 but why did it become a trendy concept only after bts love yourself. Kpop always copy what bts do and for love yourself it isn't meant to be a concept but it's meant to a message to people not doing it because its trendy that's the thing I don't like about kpop.

@@user-nh5iz8xu7y Again, bts did not invent loving yourselves. Need you armys to stop trying to gatekeep rubbish. So because bts talked about loving themselves first no one else is allowed to talk about it? Y'all act like your faves invented everything in Kpop so you want to gatekeep it but so many things your faves do was also done by other groups first and i don't see fans of other groups whining about it. Only you people. Another kpop group designed the first lightsticks in Kpop for their fans but now fans of bts use designed lightsticks. And yet the fans of that group that used lightsticks in Kpop first are not whining about it. Imagine if it was bts that did it first. Y'all wouldn't let any other group do the same for their fans. Need you armys to have some self awareness for once. Y'all are actually the part of the major reason people find kpop insufferable.

@@lilli798 nobody said they invented loving yourself so why are you triggered

I like this

I agree with the ungratefulness. Instead of sitting back & relaxing, enjoying what BTS has been accomplishing, other people are wondering who might next be able to reach those similar achievements. There is one big reason for this & that is MONEY. This "finding the next" is really all about money. The bottomline IS the bottomline. They envy how much money (& the huge amount of fans & awards, of course) that BTS is garnering & accumulating. "Hey, we should form the next big thing so that we can also hopefully rake in that same huge amount of dough." I don't know if I could say that "greed" of money is part of that factor, but I'm sure it's a factor. Everyone does it, it's just business. If one car manufacturer makes an SUV & it gets lots of sales & popularity, other brands will start making SUV's. The proof is in the pudding, as there are now millions of different brand/model SUV's on streets & highways. The problem with BTS is that, as alluded to in the documentary, their level of achievements is harder to match than another car manufacturer able to design their own SUV. I am sure that when the Beatles came to rise in the mid 1960's, there were probably people wondering who the next Beatles might be. People compared the Rolling Stones to them, who came just a little after the Beatles rise. But I think the Stones achievements were not as huge as the Beatles. I am sure the Beatles, when they were still formed, had more fans & also more album sales. The difference though is that the Stones physically survived the Beatles & is why the Stones were still around as a group in their 70's (age), when the Beatles disbanded by the early 1970's & half the members died since. Also, there was nothing wrong when people compared BTS to the Beatles, after BTS became hugely popular. It's logical, common sense. I too made that comparison because I am a Beatles fan since as a little kid. As was said in the reaction above, people compared them because there was no one else to compare them to because of the same tangential rise of the Beatles. Uncontrollable nervous screaming, fainting, crying, whimpering wide-eyed girls. As an outsider to BTS at the start, I saw that in both fandoms. Also, the global popularity, the album sales, the awards, etc. Even the hair cuts. What the mop-top was to the Beatles is the Asian bowl cut to BTS. They are practically the same hair cut. Look at old photos of the Beatles haircuts when they were still sporting suits & ties. And some of the older generation did not like the Beatles too, calling them beatniks & that rock music was raucous, just as it was being called during Elvis Presley's time before that. Anyway, I'm starting to ramble, hehe. I enjoy the Beatles & I enjoy BTS, I'm not out there as a music fan wondering who might be the next whatever with the same level of popularity. Well, I do sometimes think that, & I think the next whatever artist is going to happen, but it will come as a surprise, as it always will. The span of 55-60 years happened between Beatles & BTS. Something big should happen again either in the same amount of time, or less, or more, we don't know. I think BTS was destined too & they were destined to be compared to the Beatles, because as I said, it was common sense. No other bands have achieved that little detail of "3 number 1 albums in under a year" as happened to both of them. No other bands within that 6-decade stretch had that same record. So, they were destined to be compared. To prove that, I made the following wordplay a few years ago & you will see how eerie it looks... Beatles + BTS = B e a T l e S (see how all the letters match, as well as the symmetry). We all hope BTS will return from service, all intact. And if they do, they might be the first & only music band that is both fictionally & non-fictionally military. And they will now be part of 2 armies. And handle real army bombs, guns & bulletproof vests. One of them might even practice as a real scout (recon). You never know.

Well said

I respect your opinion and I agree that BTS cannot be copied, but I have to disagree some of your other points, sorry. There are many extremely talented and unique Kpop groups out there with very diverse music and different genres, meaningful and relatable lyrics and a great stage presence and live performances as well and each of them trained very hard for many years to get where they are now and that have definitely paved their own way, but I won't deny that BTS are great artists at all. For meaningfull lyrics and beautiful story lines for example there's TXT (Tomorrow x Together). They have not only really talented members and diverse music, but also meaningful lyrics and beautiful story lines in my opinion such as with songs like 0x1=Lovsesong, Loser = Lover, Run Away, Frost, Can't You See Me?, Opening Sequence, Farewell Neverland, Puma, We Lost the Summer, Nap of a Star, Our Summer, Eternally, and many more. There's also Ateez, Oneus, Seventeen, Stray Kids, WayV (Chinese subunit of NCT) and the B-Sides for Monsta X, NCT 127, NCT Dream, EXO and Got7 to name a few. In terms of vocalists there's EXO, Shinee, BTOB, Seventeen, NCT, Ateez and Oneus and for rap Monsta X, Stray Kids, Big Bang, Ateez and NCT. As for groups and idols that write and produce their own music, there's Stray Kids for example who is entirely self produced in terms of music, lyrics and concepts as well as having chosen the members, name and logo with the songs being written by their 3Racha subunit that consists of Bangchan, Changbin and Han. Monsta X has Jooheon, I.M and Hyungwon write lyrics and produce songs and choosing concepts and themes. Soyeon from (G)I-DLE also writes and produces their music and chooses their concepts as well. The same goes for Seventeen where Woozi, S.Coups, Hoshi, Vernon, Mingyu, The8, Seungkwan, Bumzu and several others write and produce their music. Then there's several other Kpop artists that write their own lines and solo music and concepts as well, such as EXO. TXT also has very meaningful lyrics and stories that a lot of people can relate and connect to, including the members and they too write lyrics and verses and are involved in the production. I wouldn't say that Kpop is only an industry and not about the music or artistry at all. Every single artist and group worked extremely hard for years to get where they are now and did it on their own. I'm not going to force you to listen to other groups, but please don't treat Kpop as a genre like it is something to look down on and like it doesn't have talented, diverse and unique artists, because it does and many of them got where they are now because of years of hard work and dedication.

@@Kalakeiko i agree that there are plenty of talented groups like you listed, but i disagree with the point of them "paving their own way". my reasons for disagreeing can be found in boracity magazines' video of why bts has paved the way. if you want to say that those other groups work really hard though, i agree 100%.

Exactly that my problem. They downplay them and did all sort of stuff to them but yet they they are strong

It's wasn't try to beat this group but SM traditional co ed group like in 2nd gen Uniq unit before even bts debuted... Stop making everything about bts

@@alien_fairy1973 OH please....there's even an article written about it.

@@pennyyoung3997 articles are written by reported who wants salary raise, nothing more

Spill

give me an example of an Korean Ent company paying for specific headlines. What do you mean fun fact like you were at an SM bbq and the ceo said hey todays tmi is...

@@sucy1242 If you really want to believe korean ent companies have absolutely no hand in media play related to their groups (esp when its clearly exaggerated) then go ahead i won’t stop you💀

@@sucy1242 And btw its not to day that bh or hybe are exceptions either. They do media play too. But the extent and nature in which they do it is clearly different from some other companies

@@marycatherine5424 no read the question again...I asked for a specific example about companies promoting "the next bts" through media, paid media which is what you are talking about right? Do you read/speak Korean fluently? Did you yourself transcribe the Korean articles? Or, did you read some twt comments and watch this vid and then decide to bandwagon. Give me an example of SM, YG or JYPE paying to promote this idea. Korean music media writes tons of articles about every topic under the sun like comebacks, sales, stocks, concerts, influence AND prediction about the future. Why is it so hard to believe that comparisons are damaging to any artist and that it is counterintuitive as an agency towards their brand. Army feels personally attacked by a few nothing articles and then want to create this false narrative which doent even make sense! Don't even bring up western media bc they don't care about ANY music artist. ALL big music artist get disrespectful articles published for example BB is notorious for this and I can site countless examples. But I digress, this is about Korean Co being in conspiracy to promote "next bts" I'll be waiting for an example and ofc with proof

After years even if they have the same achievement as BTS, it won't be as dear to them as BTS bcz for example BTS member had hard time loving themselves so when they finally accept themselves as who they are they release love yourself, but other will be doing it with the focus of trends only or maybe feel a little bit just like respectful casual listener but it can't replace their raw emotion, for the worst the award will be at showcase but they will remain totally unexplored of their own artistic identity and we all know the tragic fame ending of each k-pop sensation, after disbanding they join their passion like acting and host but what about others who could not find that because of this rat-race.

That's true 😌🤝

But the problem is still the companies media play. That's the problem.

@@user-nh5iz8xu7y maybe american companies want to do something because they need noise, but obviously not in favor of skz. In Korea all the articles where skz is called the second bts are not written at the suggestion of the company, jyp has long been at odds with all media and korean charts, so as our company has long stated directly that it is not involved in this and condemns the manipulation of other companies, because of this, the group does not have the same promotion as everyone else

Nope, an idol is called an idol for a reason. They have to be performers. Wether that may be rapping, singing, and dancing. Their job is to entertain. Most lean towards a certain skill. Nothing wrong with lip syncing. We’ve never trashed it, is it better when an idol can do it without, yeah! But no one should be hated on for using it. Massive stars in the west use it and it’s just part of the job.

@@NotSoDailyOfficial exactly my point because they are trained for years to do dance and singing at the same time . I didn’t wanted to name drop idols but Like sm have a long history of having controversies of lipsync ,they have amazing vocally talented idols under them ,but if we can’t hear them sing live ,what’s the point of being musician . Recently bp have been criticized a lot on the internet even from their fans how they perform during their concerts ,don’t sing live when they don’t even have that much difficult choreo ,and some members even messed up choreo . Idol group mixes a lot of elements which is what makes them unique . If they only gonna dance while keeping their mics off 90% of the times ,that’s bullshit . Because as a music fan ,I wanna hear their voices more , if I wanna hear backtrack ,I can literally watch their music videos again . I know most lean toward certain skill ,but they are also asigned as a rapper/singer as well .I guess this is y they don’t grow musically except few (cuz I heard groups like txt,straykids,seventeen,gidle does control their artistic aspect) because their fans might wanna see them as only entertainers.

I think the point we tried to make was completely overlooked. Most idols can sing and the songs that are produced are proof of that. Some sing better than others and some can sing live and some can’t. The validity of an idol isn’t solely dependent on wether they can do it live. Some struggle with dancing and singing so they avoid dancing while singing. Or some can’t sing the best live so they’d avoid with lip sync. There’s nothing wrong with it. Musicians can be idols but not every idol has to be a musician, or an artist. The ability to make your own music although really impressive also isn’t a requirement to being an idol. Being an idol covers a large scope of skills. Because you enjoy the music aspect more doesn’t mean the performing and dancing or variety/entertainment aspect is any less valuable.

U know sometimes clips doesn't mean like she's talking about skz, she mentioning groups by directly telling THE OTHER GROUP and u see that groups name on the screan , she mostly coming for BP but never disrespecting or being rude about artists in person but mostly about dirty media play of their label . I am an army and I love skz , I listen to their music but I am not stay , casual listener ! I have seen how skz members especially Chan reacting to bts song and I know they love Bts and for me as an army it's rly melt my heart ! Chan is a great leader literally reminds me Namjoon !

Tbh not many people know every mainstream artists songs...it's not just applicable to BTS. They are quite mainstream but yea Kpop itself is very much still a niche unfortunately 😕

please give me a SPECIFIC example of a group promoting as the next bts? and an example of the idols themselves saying they are the next bts? I'm waiting

@@sucy1242 i'm also waiting for it bcus i've never saw or heard there's a groups promoting as the next bts or said that they are the next bts.

@@nfstay88I was on the internet one day and saw a random article saying tempest was "the next bts" just because they had 7 members the problem is those news article and media play

True

Ever heard of mediaplay by companies? Agree that artists should not be blamed but let's not ignore how these are common tactics of companies to hype up their groups.

@@kuntalasen SM does not even buy ads when SM artists come back. Do you think the label going to pay for the media to hype up their groups? If you don’t stan any of the group from SM, YG ,or JYP don’t speak because aespa has bare minimum of promotion they barely go to music bank or sth like that and it’s been so long since they come back. Exo got nothing from the company not even one stage since their last comeback. Also, the other 2 companies they promoted their artists exactly the same with SM barely promotion and don’t pay anything.

@@kuntalasen also I think that the artists from big3 have influence enough to get attention from the public. I don’t think the company or the artists from big3 need Bts name include in their news to get hype up or anything 🤷🏻‍♂️ the big3 are already well known so…yeah 😅

@@Jess-tn1in Yet SM is the most notorious company to try and break it in the west(LSM literally paid money to have a street named after him, in L.A. if I am not wrong 😭). SuperM and their huge amount of bundles(before the bundles were banned) are the prime example of that. They even got called out by Billboard along with other artists for using those tactics. JYP uses ads in their MVs and YG invests a lot in playlisting and spotify deals( BP is again the prime example of that). Fun fact: In BP's spotify profile, there used to be a mention of BTS. An artist's profile is usually handled by the artists or their associates so... And by public? Do you mean kpop stans? Or GP around the world? Cuz I agree about the former but no, Big 3 doesn't have influence enough to get attention from the GP. There are of course a few groups who got known enough in some parts of Asia but all over the globe? Nah. Edit: So I did some research and viola! Guess what? SM uses ads too :) For example Aespa "Savage":- Views without ads - 90.63 million Views with ads - 146.0 million Aespa "Next Level" :- Views without ads - 139.3 million Views with ads - 191. 3 million For NCT 127's "2 Baddies" 85% of the views were ad views. You can search up the articles where even k-netizens were surprised at the absurd amount of ad views. They had only 8million real views in the first week, so 60+ million views were all thanx to ads. Pls do your own research too cuz these companies are really not as naive as y'all make them out to be.

You miss the whole context, the point is kpop is now replicate the thing like good message, lyrics and all those stuff bcz BTS did great but the problem is what if they have their something own artistic identity which is not done before for example erykah Badu created Baduizm which is her trademarks but she could have been successful as another genre artist that she has learn but she didn't waste her energy and talent in something already have been done and now we are introduced to new genre, this whole k-pop think is waste of time and talent for the sake of some achievement that cost someone artistic identity,bad bunny did not do something better than someone, he did his own thing and become the bad bunny, each k-pop groups are now turning into BTS with more furnishings or atleast the base of the whole thing is same when they can be them maybe solo or group or can coexist together, Can you compare Coldplay/BTS/imagine dragons? No bcz these things are different and choose to be different and music world will accept something polished version of kpop group but will they be as eventful or impressive as Beatles who changed the game of pop music forever? No.taylor Swift break Beatles record but if you ask who is more eventful it's always gonna be Beatles, Michael Jackson who set the bar even if it's broken they become themselves and are legend .all this killing long-term gain of artistry in order to have a few records which BTS never wanted, it's just happened they keep on saying this for years, Making someone fit in something is crime, those companies are trying to do that only, what if those guys just like music as hobby and could have been a great actor, there are many kpop artist who later admitted of not knowing their own passion bcz of this horrible rat race in kpop . Harry styles was great in 1 direction and biggest boyband at that time but as a solo he becomes extra ordinary and surpass his own group in every record, that the whole point of this video ,?let them be Harry styles or Camila Cabello not Harry of 1d or Camila of fifth harmony or let them be group like Queen or Coldplay Or imagine dragons or BTS who have given something new and fresh when they could have been followed trends and achieve the same record they have achieved. Drake break a lot of records but people still consider 2 pac as most influential rapper bcz he changed the game of rap forever with thought provoking lyrics. Now kpop group conversation are focus was mostly on performance from beginning but BTS give more priority to lyrics so every group are told to focus on that rather than the performance thing which was fresh thing but Eminem had talk shit and still called legendary?why? Bcz he did it in his own rapping style which was fresh. What happening in kpop is trying to better what already have been done and becoming Drake when you can be 2 pac .

@@blossom6693 Again, I disagree. There's plenty of groups that have their own sound that doesn't sound like the "typical" Kpop group. You can't compare 3rd gen groups like Monsta X or NCT with groups like BTOB or Seventeen for example nor can you compare 4th gen groups like Stray Kids or Ateez to TXT or Astro, the same goes for girl groups like Dreamcatcher, (G)I-DLE or Everglow in comparison to groups like NewJeans, Le Sserafim or IVE. And again there's plenty that do write their own lyrics and focus on the meaning of their songs as well, not just the performances, which is my exact point. People need to stop generalising an entire genre of music and acting like they're all the same and interchangeable when that is not true at all.

That's all 😂😂😂😂 and if they want the next bts they should also try to have the next army that can sell tickets over 800000 within minutes for days straight

Facts. 💯

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Yeah i'm already tired whenever people said that stray kids are the next bts & then getting hate from army's. Like even stray kids members themselve didn't like to be labelled as "the next bts". Why don't people acknowledge them as "STRAY KIDS". It's kind an insult to them though.

@@nfstay88 i really sont understand why people keep thinking other groups went to be the next bts, they definitially look up to them but not want to be labeled as bts

@@eileencritchley4630 omg that was 6 months ago hahaha im so shocked, anyway i agree with what u said, bts helped lots of armies and their words are sincere, i just think its kinda stupid to say that people copied other groups for that

@@eileencritchley4630 lol

You have not understood any of the points in this video if you think the author is saying the other groups aren’t talented or cannot be as successful.

well i do understand every thing she is saying even the creators of this chanlle where disappointed at the way she displayed her opinion if she had any ! I respect every group and i wont say that to any one face just to be narratives like she did...

Lmao we can see some of them in the comments now😂

@@whatever_itis ikr

no but actually I agree that there can't be the next bts but the video also missed a lot of points

@@qwzm_skz what point?

Sorry vma's is utter bs award. Zero rules for nominations or winners. It's a participation trophy. I like stray kids, but no, they will never have the impact bts has. They are still w a company where the owner's ego is bigger than any group in the company

She did not specifically mention stray kids tho??

It is that the problem is not that they cannot fulfill their dreams we all know that they all strive and deserve to succeed in their projects as bts, the real problem here is when they put them under the pseudonym "the next bts" And who calls them that? Yes, their own companies this is only their fault, that instead of giving them a merit of their own, they put them under this term so that they are under constant comparisons like these , well be their lyrics, their concepts, all because from the beginning they decided to put them under the shadow of another group.

@@jmsl0ver YG never said the next bts Because they were a girl group and at that time they were the most successful girl group in the world. YG is not stupid to use girl groups to compare boy groups. that article was from western media.

U clearly did not watch the video entirely at all since u didn't refute anything she said in ur whole paragraph. She never said kpop idols don't work hard at all, she just said labels are prioritizing visuals and concepts over music, and constantly replicating BTS's moves and that's why they are failing. She even made a whole part explaining how to technically be the next BTS, and that by finding your own unique artistic identity and not to try to be like BTS.

@@-amel-9896exactly

Obviously the world does not revolve around bts other groups may succeed equally no one prevents them, that is not the issue, here we discuss the term "the next bts" and this was not created by the armys this was created by the media and the companies of their favorite groups, Their own companies look for their groups to be humiliated and compared putting them under the shadow of another group instead of giving them their own merit.

@@jmsl0verthat it you just said my mind