The Power of Trigger Pull! - Season 2: Episode 75

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Welcome to the Ron Spomer Outdoors Podcast! If you're looking to improve your shooting accuracy, this episode is for you!
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00:00 - Corrections
07:24 - Is it better to hold a rifle very tightly, or more loosely? And is it better to pull the rifle in mostly with the hand holding the stock, or with the hand holding the barrel? I find that pulling in from the barrel seems to affect accuracy a lot, but I am very poor shot!
09:09 - Why shouldn't we use the heavy recoil technique for ALL rifles as there is great danger if you accidentally use a .22 technique on a heavy rifle? Also, learning 2 different techniques is not fun!
10:44 - Why use a suppressor over a muzzleloader?
12:12 - Ron, is it wrong or simplistic to treat accuracy as the foremost consideration for a hunting caliber? The most powerful projectile out of the most expensive gun is worthless if it misses entirely or wounds the animal.
14:31 - Can you please brush us up on the phenomenon of "projectile jump?" Aerial gunners are taught to change their point of aim because (as we are taught) the velocity of wind impacting a projectile from a side-firing gun will impart either an upward shift (left side of aircraft) or downward shift (right side of aircraft) on the projectile. Can you share what you know about it?
20:22 - Back in the day, I used a ballistics software program called Remington Shoot, but it has since gone away. There are some others out there, but they seem to be very complicated. Would you happen to know of an easy-to-use and reliable ballistics program that an average Joe like me can use?
23:59 - I’ve been looking into a Triggertech Primary for my Remington 700 after experiencing one on another rifle. What are your thoughts on aftermarket triggers on hunting rifles and what is your recommended “sweet spot” regarding the balance between a perceived improvement and still keeping a safe pull weight in mind?
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Who is Ron Spomer
For 44 years I’ve had the good fortune to photograph and write about my passion - the outdoor life. Wild creatures and wild places have always stirred me - from the first flushing pheasant that frightened me out of my socks in grandpa’s cornfield to the last whitetail that dismissed me with a wag of its tail. In my attempts to connect with this natural wonder, to become an integral part of our ecosystem and capture a bit of its mystery, I’ve photographed, hiked, hunted, birded, and fished across much of this planet. I've seen the beauty that everyone should see, survived adventures that everyone should experience. I may not have climbed the highest mountains, canoed the wildest rivers, caught the largest fish or shot the biggest bucks, but I’ve tried. Perhaps you have, too. And that’s the essential thing. Being out there, an active participant in our outdoor world.
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Disclaimer
All loading, handloading, gunsmithing, shooting and associated activities and demonstrations depicted in our videos are conducted by trained, certified, professional gun handlers, instructors, and shooters for instructional and entertainment purposes only with emphasis on safety and responsible gun handling. Always check at least 3 industry handloading manuals for handloading data, 2 or 3 online ballistic calculators for ballistic data. Do not modify any cartridge or firearm beyond what the manufacturer recommends. Do not attempt to duplicate, mimic, or replicate anything you see in our videos. Firearms, ammunition, and constituent parts can be extremely dangerous if not used safely.

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@ThePbird1 10 ай бұрын

This is about the only gun “ show” I watch anymore. Informative and SANE!

@Wheelchair-bear Жыл бұрын

At 18:00 Ron gave us all "the bird" 😂

@viator21 Жыл бұрын

Ron Spomer made a dirty hand gesture at me at the 18 minute mark… lol

@RonSpomerOutdoors Жыл бұрын

Whew! I was afraid you wouldn't notice.

@linkbond08 Жыл бұрын

My favorite ballistics calculator is Strelok+. Is easy to use once you put your rifle scope, and cartridge information in, and it gives you a visual reticle of bullet impact.

@johncraig6413 Жыл бұрын

Use it myself always been good for me as long as muzzle velocities are accurate

@linkbond08 Жыл бұрын

@@johncraig6413 that's probably the most important thing.

@monstrocromo_3261 Жыл бұрын

I found your podcast through the shorts awhile back, and I’ve never hunted before, but I think you might get me to start.

@robertsebacher44 Жыл бұрын

Hope you’re rich. It is quickly becoming a sport for the rich. Sort of like polo. Hunting on public land has become progressively unsafe and unproductive.

@zacharyfrench9935 Жыл бұрын

I've taken the most deer in Arkansas with a .243 browning Bar mark 2 and Arkansas is thick woodlands overgrown clear-cuts you need a good blood trail and I've taken the most deer with a .243

@shootingatshadow Жыл бұрын

States that mandate shotguns for big game hunting usually also require slugs. Since that question/comment specifically mentioned patterns, that would imply that shot was used.

@fuzztsimmers3415 Жыл бұрын

my 223 savage axis had a trigger that we never did find out how heavy it was. It was so heavy that it buried the needle on the trigger gauge. now its about 2.5 pounds and is the best shooting gun i own. Even my 700 doesnt shoot as good as my 223.

@DanielBoone337 Жыл бұрын

Great podcast as always keepem coming brother!!!

@donaldrussell4218 Жыл бұрын

On a lot of gun's you can change the trigger pull your self on a Mossberg is one you can and WIN model 70 you can.

@vincegordon6830 Жыл бұрын

Excellent Ron! Thanks!

@jaydunbar7538 Жыл бұрын

The way he stated things about shotguns in Africa I think they are banning them do to use of buckshot, which is also banned in many areas in the US for the same reasons listed. The use during drive hunts to me definitely leads to buckshot, I don’t care if it’s a 7mag or a 12g with slugs I don’t want either pointed in my direction even if I’m a few hundred yards away through the brush

@phild9813 Жыл бұрын

Yeah I agree with your deductions. I also think that was the writer’s intent. Although I would disagree with the writer if shotguns are patterned and proper ranges are held to. I don’t know if it’s made anymore, but I used to run Federal flite control buckshot, which patterned phenomenally out to 50-60 yards in a cylinder choke.

@terrybritton1355 Жыл бұрын

That artillery hold actually is what is required for high powered Gamo pellet guns due to the reverse recoil to maintain accuracy. This hold probably Carrie’s over to the rim fire competitors that are using both styles especially when pellet guns are super cheap to shoot. I had to learn the artillery hold for Gamo rifles after picking up a couple for the kids during Covid. There are several videos on the artillery hold with Gamo rifles. These guns are fun for plinking and safety (carrying energy down rang) when living close to town.

@magnumcipher4971 Жыл бұрын

Of the dozen or so rifles I own, only two factory triggers remain. One is an early 1970’s Husqvarna Model 1900 with a fully adjustable, slick as glass unit, the other is a modern Bergara B-14 HMR, also with a fully adjustable trigger. The Bergara trigger is the best trigger I own. Maybe it’s just a factory freak, but it’s better yet than any of the several aftermarket triggers I have in other rifle platforms, Timney’s, Trigger-Tech’s, and a Jewell.

@U.C.Hunter Жыл бұрын

Ron , don't you worry that KZfaq might ban you for using a silver KZfaq button as a target? Nice group,👍👍👍 Where were you aiming at ?

@shootingatshadow Жыл бұрын

Ron that thing you do with your hand is called the right hand rule and is used to find the product of 2 vectors in 3D space. My guess is the product of the vectors for spin drift or wind and the flight of the bullet results in that 3rd vector producing lift. Very interesting.

@phild9813 Жыл бұрын

What I’d like to know about the two pressure measuring methods is how they compare. I.e., does a SAAMI pressure of 60k equal a NATO pressure of 60k???

@googies12a Жыл бұрын

Think of the spinning bullet trying to climb up the wind as if it was a ramp is how I understand it. ATB from Ireland.

@cbsbass4142 Жыл бұрын

As far as aftermarket triggers, I have used only Timney so far and love them. I like them better than the "accutrigger" and primarily use them from the bench for the best accuracy. But yes for hunting (other than maybe varmints like prairie dogs from a table or back of a truck at 300 yards) I would probably go with 3 lbs. anything heavier I get 4 inch groups and not 1/2 inch groups on targets.

@hadleyscott1160 Жыл бұрын

I’m still a strong believer in if you’re not going to eat it. Don’t shoot it. When I break that law I make sure I know someone who will.

@uncleremus5046 6 ай бұрын

If shooters realize your focus should be on the squeeze & the target should be your second focus once your aim is set they’ll be amazed @ their accuracy.

@peterjackson9831 Жыл бұрын

Hey Ron, Why not just buy a Savage Axis II rifle with the accu trigger? I have my 30 06 set at 1 1/2 lbs and super crisp and clean, really enhancing the accuracy of the rifle. Easily produces MOA groups at 100 yards and exceeds my shooting abilities in pretty much any hunting situation. I have taken deer, bear and moose reliably and safely with this combo. Peter

@glockparaastra Жыл бұрын

Strelok Pro works great! Easy to use.

@danielgrabske3545 Жыл бұрын

Ron you bring up great subjects , but I disagree on some subjects. Thank god we live in the great U.S.A. we all have different view points. Have a great day and keep bringing up the pod casts.

@RonSpomerOutdoors Жыл бұрын

Thanks Dan. My intent is not to demand agreement, but share what I've learned and stimulate thinking. I value free thinking and personal preferences, so carry on, sir!

@tlloyd9325 Жыл бұрын

A LONG time ago I built a 280, 98 Oberndorf action, Douglas air gauged barrel, Timney trigger in a Bishop stock. I used an aircraft grade aluminum based epoxy type putty to bed the front lug, Devcon putty. I used a book called “The Accurate Rifle” by I think Warren Page. Has anyone else written this type of book?

@BuckIt00 Жыл бұрын

The copper bullets that are out. Do they significantly increase fouling in the bore. I know it sounds like a no brain question. However they have different grade metals do they have different grade copper if so whats the best at not destroying the barrel or gum it up

@arnowinchester591 Жыл бұрын

You'd be hard pressed to find a trigger with a pull of more than 2 pounds in Germany (at least from a German manufacturer). Especially the Sauer 404, which will probably be my next rifle. It has an adjustable trigger which can be set from a 550g to a 1250g pull. Speaking of, do you have experience with German rifles? If so, what was it like? Keep up the amazing work, love listening to your podcasts at the gym, while cooking, basically anytime, any day! :)

@ronspomer4366 Жыл бұрын

Arno, I have worked and hunted with Sauer 100 and 101, various Merkel and Blaser rifles, some Mausers. I find them all well made and accurate.

@arnowinchester591 Жыл бұрын

@@ronspomer4366 Glad to hear it. I have yet to get my hands on a true American rifle, but I recently witnessed the auction of a beautiful pre-64 Model 70 here in Germany. That's a cultural exchange I love to see!

@MrJtin69 Жыл бұрын

Ive seen a custom mst chassis 577 snider

@kber6288 Жыл бұрын

regarding the pressure testing, i have to disagree with the CIP meassuring. the transducer is not mounted in front of the case mouth, that's a NATO EPVAT only. CIP specifies where the transducer is to be placed, e.g. 25 mm from the breech face for the .308 Win, or 12.5 mm for the 9mm Luger. and I have never seen a second hole for CIP. maybe NATO uses it to ensure the correct pressure at the gas port position for reliable function.

@phild9813 Жыл бұрын

I dislike those “blade” style triggers. They’re not bad typically, the blade just bugs me lol.

@randylong8156 Жыл бұрын

From watching the last video with yourself and a young lady shooting I would say good cheek weld would help.

@ladon.grantiigrantii5701 Жыл бұрын

378 Weatherby came first then the 460 in the 1990s 416

@hayeswooten Жыл бұрын

Anther home run Ron

@jeremyfumerola4782 Жыл бұрын

Question for Ron, I had a pheasant hunt on a farm last Saturday. I had about 6 shells, that I loaded, come out as weak loads. Resulted in at least 2 birds escaping. What could have caused it? Win. 16ga hull, 22.5gr Longshot, Rem. SP16 wad, Ched 209 primer, 1 1/8 oz shot, fold crimp. Temp was 25 degrees with 19 degrees wind chill.

@RonSpomerOutdoors Жыл бұрын

Sorry about your missed opportunities. I used to have those with reloads, too. Could be several things: 1. Full load of powder didn't drop. 2. Your crimp wasn't tight enough. 3. Contaminated primer. 4. Loose primer pocket (any soot around the joint?) 4. Moisture in the powder charge. 5. Debris blocking primer hole/flame path to powder. Probably something else I'm not coming up with.

@jameskrouse160 Жыл бұрын

I live in the Eastern shore of Maryland, what is the best cartridge's to use for whitetail Deer?

@ronspomer4366 Жыл бұрын

Is no Best, James. Many, many work just fine. I've used everything from 22-250 Rem through 45-70. 6.5 Creedmoor, 260 Rem., 7mm-08 Rem. and 308 Win. are good options.

@RossoRacing248 Жыл бұрын

Winchester still has a ballistics calculator for their factory ammo loads

@JamesC.0670 Жыл бұрын

Is the long action rifle cartridge coming to an end? I find it very limited on bullet selection when in the stores. I moved to a .308 due to the lack of options that I am finding for my .270. So I took a look around and realized that the 30-06, 300 win mag and the 7mm were slim pickings as well. I have had many successful hunts with the .270 and now I’m thinking that it will need to be set up long range and use the .308 for medium to short range. I say that because most shots are between 100-200 yards but the occasional 300-400 years shot do happen. I am sure that the .308 can handle the longer range but I am more confident in the .270 as it has been my go to for so many years. What are your thought?

@ronspomer4366 Жыл бұрын

Short action cartridges are more popular now, but long actions are not in danger of obsolecense. New long actions are appearing and the old ones will hang around for decades. Factory 270 Win loads range from 100-gr. bullets to 156 grain from just about every manufacturer. Win, Rem, Fed., Norma, Nosler, Hornady, Black Hills, Fiocchi, Sierra, Barnes, Sig Sauer, Sellier & Bellot, PMC, RWS, and others.

@JamesC.0670 Жыл бұрын

It sounds like purchasing long action ammo via the internet will be the way to go. The big box stores are where the selection is very limited in my area. Thank you for the info and looking forward to the hunting scope conversation that is coming up

@phild9813 Жыл бұрын

I think you’re probably seeing the long lasting effects of politics influencing ammunition demand, and therefore production, more so than long action cartridges going the way of the dodo. I’ve seen the “classics” increase slowly in terms of factory ammo on the shelves over the last year. I think availability will level back out, but I don’t think prices will, unfortunately.

@whiplash636 Жыл бұрын

Longer, higher BC bullets continue to become more and more available and popular, but you need a setup that can make use of them. A lot of older guns can't accommodate the increased overall lengths (270 for example) required to run those projectiles, so some folks are gravitating toward custom chambers, and with that comes handloading. I'm guessing that more and more folks are handloading in order to make use of modern projectiles; therefore, the demand for factory ammo has likely dropped in that area.

@danielgrabske3545 Жыл бұрын

Now, it all depends on the terrain you hunt on, heavy forested to open prairie antelope.

@bobhamilton7472 Жыл бұрын

The 378 WM came first in 1953.

@glockparaastra Жыл бұрын

We don't have rifled shotguns in South Africa. I have never seen one. So our only option is a rifled slug (for close range maybe).

@ronspomer4366 Жыл бұрын

Do know that "rifled slug" is a misnomer. The ribs are designed to obturate to fit various shotgun barrel diameters as well as chokes, esp. full chokes. The ribs do not spin the slug appreciably to stabilize it.

@glockparaastra Жыл бұрын

@@ronspomer4366 agreed. "rifled slugs" is not an accurate description but its name has stuck.

@maineoutdoorsman677 Жыл бұрын

I have never seen Ron comment on any of the comments in his videos ,

@RonSpomerOutdoors Жыл бұрын

You need to look more closely, Maine. I can't keep up with all, but I join in when I can.

@mountainview540 Жыл бұрын

Is using a hollowpoint that doesn't open traditionally in 556 or 7.62x39 ok for hunting. I don't no the spelling I believe it's something like yawing?

@carfvallrightsreservedwith6649 Жыл бұрын

Man......, let me do (to the best of my ability) what Ron can't (for liability reasons) and understand its just an opinion ONLY...., where/how do I start? Firstly by the mere mention in your inquiry (in regard to the calibers you presented) you've (to me) indicated your interest is in military catagorized cartridges which indicate your interest in tactically styled firearms, i.e.; "tacticool"..., meaning you are lacking knowledge, PERIOD. These calibers have viable application in certain hunting environments but for a neophyte to utilize them is an unethical practice. "Don't open traditionally"? I think you're confusing fmj's and what their design is intended to do (or NOT do, look up history of military bullet design). Plus it's "know" the spelling, not "no". "Yawing" is an aeronautical term meaning to turn left or right from the centerline of thrust. Please have enough interest and discipline to educate yourself. I know I sound like a hard-ass but how hard is it to put your question to the internet and do your due diligence to LEARN? Good luck. (I'm actually a likeable guy) 😅.

@mountainview540 Жыл бұрын

@@carfvallrightsreservedwith6649 I hav never ben a tactical anyt hing. I think you dont get what I'm trying to say. That's fine, do you boo boo

@rationalmind6362 Жыл бұрын

No, that's why fmj projectiles are prohibited . However, if you look at ballistics gel test on hollow point 5.56 hp and 7.62 hp you will discover some of those projectiles do expand and perform like a traditional hollowpoint including some of the hp/polymer tip match bullets. Research the projectiles individualy so you know the performance of each on game. Hunting is one thing. Wounding and killing something through a long painful death are completely different. You should really ask yourself. Is it OK to use a projectile that doesn't guarantee quick expansion, deep penetration and a clean, ethical harvest of a game animal ?

@mountainview540 Жыл бұрын

@@rationalmind6362 I have only deer hunted with soft points in a 30 06. What I'm getting at is more along the lines of a hollowpoint for a rifle that doesn't mushroom or peel back in the traditional way. I have a buddy that used a sks, used 7.62x39 hollowpoints. Killed deer with it, they wouldn't run far and all but 1 time the bullet exited. The time it didn't and we dressed it out and quartered. Then we found the bullet. It had crazy deformation. Bullet held together but looked like a crushed coke can in the middle. Best way I can describe it. I have since shot that ammo in my ak and it does the same thing in water jugs. I have never hunted with this ammo. I'm just wondering is all. Some people use fort Scott TUI for hunting or that's what I have seen on KZfaq.

@ronspomer4366 Жыл бұрын

View, I'm not sure what not opening "traditionally" means, but all hunting bullets are designed to expand in one way or another. Lead cores usually expand and roll back from the tip/nose, creating a rounded surface. Many times these break into dozens, even hundreds of tiny pieces and flecks. Often the gilding metal jacket separates from the lead core. Bonded core and partition style lead cores tend to stay in one piece, but also shed some lead pieces. Depending on bones hit, bullets can deform into weird clumps. Hollow-nosed copper bullets expand as petals or roll back from the nose. Some are designed to shed petals as shrapnel. Yawing refers to a bullet's tip circling around its center line like a wobbling top. Inside an animal yawing likely refers to the bullet veering off line due to variable friction (bone on one side, soft tissue on another, etc.) Your biggest concern is whetehr the 5.56/223 Rem. is effective enough for cleanly taking game. That depends on the bullet and it's placement and distance to target. Many use it with great success, but placement is paramount. Then again, placement is paramount with any bullet.

@markchapman2585 Жыл бұрын

Awesome content Ron I can listen to you all day. Did you shoot your KZfaq play button in the background 😆.

@ronspomer4366 Жыл бұрын

Thanks Mark. Yes, I put a 20-caliber hole in it to honor our 200,000 subscribers to my regular YT channel. 30-cal hole is my next goal. Thanks for getting me closer to it!

@kurtbogle2973 Жыл бұрын

Fix my accuracy ? 2" at 600 yards isn't good enough?

@danieltustison822 Жыл бұрын

You know might use target stance when your head shooting rabbits

@jimb8904 Жыл бұрын

Bullet. Jump. Was. Explained. To. Me. At. The. Shooting. Bench.... siting. My deer. Rifle... i. was. Told. always. Use. A. Sand. Bag... if. You. Site. Free. Hand... and. Then. Shoot. From. A. Bench. Rest.... With. Something. Hard. Like. Wood. Under. The. Fore. Arm... the. Bullet. Will. Jump. Up. Or. Hit. Higher. Than. Shooting.... Free.Hand....Or. resting. Sand bag... have. A. Nice. Day...

@cbsbass4142 Жыл бұрын

Controlling poaching and avoiding the wrong types of governments will contribute greatly in the conservation realm.

@johnnash5118 Жыл бұрын

Wildlife “conservation” reintroduction of carnivores into the hunting grounds (to make liberal/progressive voters feel good,) such as wolves in Oregon, and restricting Mountain Lion hunting in Oregon has reduced the deer and elk populations to the point of “Controlled Hunts.” Carnivores eliminate hunters in the conservation balance. Lions in Mozambique will destroy their guided hunt industry, cut out their hunter income and cut their conservation budgets. I saw a very large “coyote” in my sights in the Oregon Western Cascades watching me as I was returning from what used to be prime Blacktail deer hunting grounds. I’ll leave it at that.

@whiplash636 Жыл бұрын

Controlled hunts are a big part of what keeps animals from being hunted to near extinction as they were in the past. Honestly, you give me poacher vibes. Buy your tags like everyone else, dude.

@johnnash5118 Жыл бұрын

@@whiplash636 Hunted to extinction by wolves and cougars… and for your “vibes,” I buy tags and never have poached… Dude.

@whiplash636 Жыл бұрын

@@johnnash5118 So you're simply jealous (and scared) of Wolves and Mountain Lions.

@johnnash5118 Жыл бұрын

@@whiplash636 You must get muted a lot.