The Tortured Poets Department & The Black Hole of Music Criticism

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Taylor Swift is having a historic week on Billboard’s charts (dated May 4). On top of earning her 14th career No. 1 album on the Billboard 200 with The Tortured Poets Department, she sets numerous new records across Billboard’s charts, including on the Billboard Hot 100.
‘The Tortured Poets Department’: All the Records Taylor Swift’s New Album Has Broken…
As previously reported, the set launches at No. 1 on the Billboard 200 with 2.61 million equivalent album units earned in its opening week, according to Luminate. That’s the second-biggest week by that metric since Billboard began measuring the week’s most popular albums by equivalent album units in 2014, after Adele’s 25 (3.482 million, Dec. 12, 2015).
As Swift earns her 14th career Billboard 200 No. 1 album, she ties Jay-Z for the most among soloists. Overall, only The Beatles have more (19).

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@LyricAiLove
@LyricAiLove 16 күн бұрын
I'm more shocked that she let Matty Healy get to her that much. I thought it was a fling and she was having fun.
@marykay7878
@marykay7878 16 күн бұрын
im pretty sure it was just that so she could save face after joe left her. her fanbase thrives off her villainizing people in the public eye so she can both victimize herself and paint herself as a heroine, risen from the ashes of oppression.
@flaminghead1va
@flaminghead1va 16 күн бұрын
Not saying I know, but maybe it shows a lack of restraint on her part. Maybe she already had written A bunch of songs during that period of her life & thought "well I already wrote these. I might as well use them". I mean, clearly there were multiple songs on the double album which could have been cut, but weren't. 🤷‍♂️
@mohamedAgacem
@mohamedAgacem 16 күн бұрын
​@@marykay7878so true, the thing about her painting herself as a victim and heroine at the same time
@AngelicaGarcia0717
@AngelicaGarcia0717 16 күн бұрын
Not saying that Matty was right for her, but I can understand how it was much more than a fling to her. We have to understand that they had already had a fling years ago, and that it ended for reasons that only they know, but it seemed like they both thought maybe one day they would end up together. What she is trying to communicate in the album, is that she felt, for a long long time, like he was her destiny. So it was not so much about the time they were actually together, the heartbreak had more to do with the idealization she had made about him in 10 years, and the disenchantment that comes with realizing he was not the person she thought he was in her mind at all. It's a tough emotion to process, and even more, considering how vulnerable she was during this period.
@toannguyen1998
@toannguyen1998 16 күн бұрын
There is also the fact she clearly knew she is in the wrong in the Joe relationship and that she doesn't want or can't fathom with that yet.
@sk3lut
@sk3lut 16 күн бұрын
it's gotten so deranged that someone tweeted that being a swiftie in 2024 is like a jewish person during 1938...
@flamesaredew
@flamesaredew 16 күн бұрын
relax please
@sk3lut
@sk3lut 16 күн бұрын
@@flamesaredew i am but go off
@firstlast9846
@firstlast9846 16 күн бұрын
Even Kanye would be stumped for words at that - gawd damn 💀
@Givemepeacealone
@Givemepeacealone 16 күн бұрын
That’s obvious rage bait are you media illiterate
@palomathereptilian
@palomathereptilian 16 күн бұрын
This was rage bait... I'm Jewish myself and saw that same account posting antisemitic stuff too
@melise9205
@melise9205 16 күн бұрын
I think the problem with the internet is that everything exists in hyperbole. you can’t just say you dislike something, you have to say “this is garbage” or “this is the worst thing i’ve ever heard,” which will automatically make fans of that thing defensive because it feels like that person is attacking them and their interests. Like, in the Paste article, the author makes jokes about how her “poetry” is essentially unpolished and bad, meaning that anyone who relates to it might feel as though their intelligence and feelings are being insulted (and that might make them want to attack). Everyone definitely has a right to share their opinion and why they dislike something, but I think we get into tricky territory when we start making moral judgments. And the same applies in the reverse, with fans that make moral judgments about all “haters.” The internet would be a much nicer place to be if people could just say they like something or dislike something without it turning into a grand statement about whether something is “objectively” good or bad.
@sphazel
@sphazel 16 күн бұрын
THIS
@kf5338
@kf5338 16 күн бұрын
There's a fundamental assumption in your comment that feeling insulted means that someone will attack in retaliation. Emotionally mature people don't react like that - they feel insulted but then have a measured response (which may be to say nothing at all because they're mature enough to realise it's not a serious matter). The internet allows people to immediately respond without taking the time to think - if people had to write down their hateful responses to critics and then send them via post, the volume of hateful comments would reduce dramatically. Emotions fizzle out before you have the time to write and send the letter. But people can send hateful comments immediately for free via the Internet, so people are responding while they're stuck in their immediate emotional response.
@brisaromero6939
@brisaromero6939 16 күн бұрын
that article also started with a joke about sylvia plath's suicide ??? the entire piece was bizarre and honestly its kinda hard to take it seriously when all i can think of is that the author seems to personally hate taylor and the review comes as heavily biased (an i say this not even as a swiftie)
@kittyscreativecorner
@kittyscreativecorner 15 күн бұрын
I totally agree!! I’m a Taylor fan, but that doesn’t mean I think she’s above all criticism. It’s just that I rarely ever see nuanced critiques of her work, it’s only ever “this is the worst thing I’ve ever heard, it’s absolute garbage,” which ofc makes fans feel attacked and shamed for liking her music. The other day I said to my friend that one of the lyrics from TTPD was stuck in my head and I liked the album so far, and they immediately said “oh my god it’s literally the worst thing I’ve ever heard, even all the Swiftie I know are making fun of how bad it is.” I have no problem with people critiquing her, but a lot of times it feels like people can’t do that without making fun of the people who do like it or attacking her as a person, as opposed to critiquing the music itself. I also get really tired of people saying she’s always trying to play the victim. People have been saying that literally her entire career, with the Kanye thing, Dear John, All Too Well, even when she was expressing her feelings about being taken advantage of by older men when she was barely an adult or being treated in a misogynistic way, she’s always been told she’s just playing the victim and trying to ruin the careers of her exes. I think she’s entitled to her experience. Yeah she’s a billionaire and one of most successful people in the music industry ever, so it’s hard to feel bad for her in that sense, but literally every single thing she does is put under a microscope and analyzed to death on the internet, whether it’s valid criticism or not. I couldn’t handle the level of scrutiny she’s always under, no matter what she does, there will always be swarms of people attacking her in the media, and that has to get to you after nearly two decades. It’s not relatable to most of us, but I don’t think she’s necessarily playing the victim by expressing in her music how that much attention and scrutiny has affected her over the years. Not including actual critiques of her music, she does get a lot of just straight up hate, thousands of people were posting online about what a psychopathic narcissist she is and that she should burn in hell, because she didn’t hug Celine Dione when she accepted her last Grammy. I certainly couldn’t handle the level of scrutiny at all times, I think she’s allowed to feel tired of it, and if she wants to write a song about it, she’s entitled. Her music has always been personal, that’s not a new thing. If you don’t want to listen to her personal experience, that’s fine, but I don’t think it’s fair to say she can’t express her experience just because she’s famous and rich. She can still be a human with feelings and be famous, they’re not mutually exclusive.
@lydiaboll2872
@lydiaboll2872 14 күн бұрын
@@kittyscreativecorner Literally thank you!!! I’ve been a Swiftie for the better part of a decade and while I’m not saying that she’s perfect, I’m saying LET MY GIRL FUCKING BREATHE.
@roh8727
@roh8727 16 күн бұрын
I'm a hardcore OG Swiftie, however, I'm not that big of a fan of this new album. I like it, but she definitely can do better than this. Also, I'm getting tired of those swifties who put Taylor on a pedestal and think a critique = attack. Ngl, sometimes it's so embarrassing to be a swiftie and it has nothing to do with Taylor.
@KingQueerio
@KingQueerio 16 күн бұрын
As a Swiftie I 100% agree with this!
@princesstelimena2887
@princesstelimena2887 16 күн бұрын
Foreal haha. And like all the swifties I personally know are great and totally normal people. I think it’s just the chronically-online internet swifties that freak everyone out
@GracefulBanana
@GracefulBanana 16 күн бұрын
👎
@mcginty70
@mcginty70 15 күн бұрын
+1
@munalawajid1568
@munalawajid1568 15 күн бұрын
i agree with this, most of the songs seemed like word vomit and wasn't going anywhere
@strawberrylime33
@strawberrylime33 16 күн бұрын
Took the words right outta my mouth. "A lore-dump for die-hard fans to decipher." THIS!! I'm a fan of Taylor's music, but I'm not an "easter-eggs" fan. I don't want to hear coded messages about her ex bfs or Kim K. And i feel that TTPD is swallowed in easter eggs that i don't care about.
@TopEye64
@TopEye64 16 күн бұрын
I commonly end up replacing her life in the tracks as the life of another person (for example, Chloe or Sam or Sophia or Marcus to me is about ex-friends who still stalk each other on social media) because I honestly don't care about Taylor's personal life. I care about her art, not about her as a person- same as like every artist
@josei1624
@josei1624 15 күн бұрын
People keep saying this and it has me so confused maybe I am too deep into the lore so I dont notice but I cant think of any easter eggs in her songs like that. In fact I viewed it as though you have to not engage with the drama so you can enjoy it because "which one is about who" just straight up doesnt work like that anymore. I didnt like cassansdra because I placed it in her lore, and I straight up refuse to believe thank you aimee is about kim K
@GeRia-be3js
@GeRia-be3js 15 күн бұрын
God I’m so tired of the Easter egg hunts. It was cute when it was genuinely a secret but since LWYMMD everyone knows about it and it’s getting more and more tiring. I hate that everyone talked about her again basically because of all of the references in the videos. Since then it’s been so bloated with clues, shit doesn’t make any sense anymore. I like her music, I’m not into deciphering if it’s all going to be about her. Being a swifter feels more and more like you’re involuntary playing a shitty escape room game with millions of people in the room .
@theymakefunofmyname-qz4dq
@theymakefunofmyname-qz4dq 15 күн бұрын
This album is for the fans!. She said its an album she NEEDED to make to get through her personal difficulties. Shes an artist and art is where she pours it all out. I think because of the eras tour, the entire GP was hyped up. But TTPD is the most personal album she's put out. Real swifties understand this. Nobody was expecting a full pop 1989 album now. Were you?
@teddyeatspudding
@teddyeatspudding 15 күн бұрын
I'm a die hard fan and I can't bring myself to give a shit about anything she talks about in this album. Because they're too specific and not relatable.
@Corarii
@Corarii 16 күн бұрын
i feel like a lot of the big pop acts have been making lackluster albums because they arent hungry anymore and know that their fans will go above and beyond to defend it
@guinessbeer
@guinessbeer 15 күн бұрын
I want to see what Rihanna does when she finally decides to come back.
@segan25
@segan25 15 күн бұрын
the whole elite is going through a drakification proccess
@LadyGaladriel100
@LadyGaladriel100 15 күн бұрын
Except Beyonce
@alissia9893
@alissia9893 15 күн бұрын
@@LadyGaladriel100exactly why i started being interested in her since renaissance until she completely won me over with cowboy carter. she is the only one that puts time and a lot of care in her craft it seems.
@Flixtex
@Flixtex 14 күн бұрын
Ttpd is masterfully crafted let it be clear. The album is polarising but concept like comparing relation to a new toy , media perception to albatross, running from relationship to bolter , and many other concepts etc. i think people who are more interested in production of songs are not understanding lyrical masterfullness of ttpd.
@All-ze9cl
@All-ze9cl 16 күн бұрын
What you said about how Taylor is better at writing fiction is so true. She's an amazing story teller, and I think that it really shines in fictional songs where she's not tethered to the confines of her popularity and celebrity status. Because it's not just that fiction can be more relatable for a not famous person, she just has so much more creative freedom when she doesn't HAVE to talk about romance, or the specific romance that she's dealing with. I think I just wasn't very interested in hearing vague songs about what Taylors going through romantically. She has every right to want to sing about it and put her thoughts into words, I just personally find her music is more poetic and meaningful when she steps out of what she goes through normally.
@spoonlegs
@spoonlegs 16 күн бұрын
I wonder if one day this translates into yet another art medium where she can flex this superpower she has for fictional storytelling in a new way.... obv I always still want her to make the music she wants to make, but if she slowly learned how to contribute to films in smaller ways, it would be so cool to watch her creativity work..(this is just something I daydream about sometimes-- such as like her providing the story and/or storyboarding of an animated film or made the soundtrack and the storyboarding or directed a live-action film while also providing musical underscore??? the possibilities make me very excited because se is such an ARTIST--- but if taylor herself was SOMEhow lurking this comment page I would say NO PRESSURE girl you do YOU)
@All-ze9cl
@All-ze9cl 16 күн бұрын
@@spoonlegs I think she’d be such a good creative writer to come up with ideas for movies and shows, but you’re right, in the end it’s not our decision. This is what she wants to do, so she has every right to produce this art
@aeoligarlic4024
@aeoligarlic4024 16 күн бұрын
I think her personal life lacks of interesting things to write about. She's grown up in a nice privileged upbringing. Most of her drama revolves around exes and kimye feuds. If writing fiction brings the best in her, then so be it. Who knows one day she'll dive into more fantasy and be more unique
@angelface540
@angelface540 15 күн бұрын
Maybe for the 12th album, she should create a character/alter-ego and base the album off that character’s story (like how Mariana had Electra Heart)
@camipco
@camipco 15 күн бұрын
I don't know about this. All Too Well being the most obvious example - one of her best regarded songs and very closely about her own life. But also, the split isn't so neat. A lot of her songs are a mix of her own experiences and fiction, right? Which is what lots of artists do? "Great American Dynasty" for example. Like in one sense, clearly fiction because she did not in fact marry the heir to standard oil. But also clearly she's writing about her own experience in the 'maddest woman this town has ever seen / ruined everything' lines.
@amuchan21
@amuchan21 16 күн бұрын
In general, I think releasing a 31 track new album is a huge mistake, especially if all the songs sort of blend together. 7-12 track albums work because they give people a bite size taste of the artist and the tracks themselves get more attention; I really think she shot herself in the foot with that
@annabelcrescibene4257
@annabelcrescibene4257 16 күн бұрын
Taylor has literally never put an album below 13 but I do think that she should’ve put out the 16 song album waited a month or so, and then put out the rest of it
@KnarfStein
@KnarfStein 15 күн бұрын
I mean, no one is forced to listen to every song in TTPD. So far, I've listened to TTPD and Fortnight, and I enjoy both of them.
@seaofroses8888
@seaofroses8888 15 күн бұрын
31? 😮that’s a whole 2 albums right there
@Vizible21
@Vizible21 15 күн бұрын
​@@KnarfSteinthat's the problem. Albums work like books. You can't just say "oh chapter 12 is fine just ignore the rest". Of course you can listen and like a specific song but people are talking about "album" not a specific song. An album needs cohesion, flow and structure which is not present in ttpd. People can like 1 or 2 songs and still not like the "album".
@Vizible21
@Vizible21 15 күн бұрын
​@@KnarfSteinin addition you literally buy an album. You bought that shite and you're telling me you're not supposed to listen to them?
@Joanna_Maciejewska1616
@Joanna_Maciejewska1616 16 күн бұрын
I'm a Taylor Swift fan and I definitely agree that nuanced reviews, whether positive or critical, should always be welcome.
@LightestKing
@LightestKing 16 күн бұрын
I wish Taylor had dedicated herself to only rereleasing her TV albums for at least 4-5 years, especially because fans are already getting vault songs they’d never heard before. But when she’s releasing all her re-recordings with previously unreleased work AND new albums it’s forcing her to write completely new material when it’s clear she’s creatively drained. The fact that she even decided to surprise release TTPD as a double album shows she’s so high on the praise she’s been receiving the past few years that she lost perspective. No one was asking for a double album, they just wanted it to be good. Taylor lives for the charts and the awards now, but it’s at the cost of her own fans getting tired of her material.
@spoonlegs
@spoonlegs 16 күн бұрын
i think this is a very good take
@Viviana-pe5sh
@Viviana-pe5sh 16 күн бұрын
It's kind of what the Pitchfork review said, she's constantly immersed in her old sound she can't move or look forward
@princesstelimena2887
@princesstelimena2887 16 күн бұрын
Yeah I think she definitely needs a break. To just live a little and focus on other things and then come back after gaining some new experiences.
@palomathereptilian
@palomathereptilian 16 күн бұрын
Yes, that chart, records and awards hunger of hers are ruining her music... I wish she takes a break after Eras Tour and the release of rep TV and Debut TV But I doubt she'll do that at all... 🥲
@user-mz2ne4yh2t
@user-mz2ne4yh2t 16 күн бұрын
I'd go even further and say that she is surrounded by yes-men that will oblige to anything she wants cause they're too scared to challenge her even if it's just creatively, and the worst of all, i think she has devolved again from that long-awaited and welcomed maturity she displayed in folklorevemore back into that perpetual victimhood state, it's just so tired at this point, she’s well into her 30s now, that shtick is not cute anymore
@originaozz
@originaozz 16 күн бұрын
I just hate that we can't just say that an album is "fine" or "mid". It has to be "GENIUS" or "SH*T" for reviews to work nowadays, and both her hardcore fans and haters are more focus on shouting what they think than really judge the music itself.
@alyssatate122
@alyssatate122 2 күн бұрын
Exactly, I also hate the thought that you can be a fan of an artist without thinking every thing they make is a masterpiece. With all of my favourite creatives I think they have better work then other and sometimes they miss. But that’s ok , it doesn’t discredit them as a whole , it’s just life when ur a artist. Taylor is on her 11th albums it’s ok if one is a miss
@danicee
@danicee 16 күн бұрын
What I really feel discouraged by is that you can’t even create a video sharing your thoughts about something without kind of proving that you like something/someone by listing all the aspects you like about them. And I get it, the stans are insanely protective of their idols - when your admiration of a person/brand prevents convo about it that is more analytical or critical of that thing, than it’s no longer about admiration, it’s obsession. Thank you for sharing your thoughts because it’s healthy to do so!
@ultravioletpisces3666
@ultravioletpisces3666 16 күн бұрын
I think you also need to do this though because haters will hop on and assume you are one of them and you will have to explain over and over that is not what you are saying.
@danicee
@danicee 16 күн бұрын
@@ultravioletpisces3666never had to tell anyone who is a “hater” that I’m not a hater 🤔 the reason I commented about this was because she had to state that she’s enjoyed previous albums and attended concerts, that’s why I commented that we shouldn’t have to defend our opinion because it’s okay to like some things and dislike other things
@ultravioletpisces3666
@ultravioletpisces3666 16 күн бұрын
@@danicee I definitely have had the experience where I say something negative about something I like and people act like I’m agreeing with their stance of completely hating. More times than I can count.
@sarasweet3578
@sarasweet3578 15 күн бұрын
It’s good to know about things you speak strong opinions on. Haters don’t actually know her music they just regurgitate things they hear around town. She was saying she actually knows the content on which she speaks.
@IsaVarg
@IsaVarg 13 күн бұрын
I found myself skipping that part of the video entirely, because it's starting to get old to have to listen to people defend themselves as if you have to be a fan of something to be able to critique it at all. If you haven't listened to and enjoyed TS before, you can't possibly have a valid opinion? It's so annoying.
@estebanbucaro5637
@estebanbucaro5637 16 күн бұрын
As a swiftie, this album is not the best. I think there's a point in the album where I get lost. Yes, I did like the album but as a massive fan of other albums, this one is weaker. Also, while I like her music a lot, it is too long. Folklore is my favorite album and I will say that one is her absolute best album. It is not about her and yet, it feels hugely personal and raw. Shout out to evermore that is also fantastic. TTPD is an okay album but it's not the best. And Chloe or Sam or Sophia or Marcus is ridiculously underrated.
@StarryEyed0590
@StarryEyed0590 16 күн бұрын
I wish she wouldn’t have made it a double album. I think there are probably 13 songs worthy of release. Not 13 hits or masterpieces, but 13 songs at least decently strong.
@All-ze9cl
@All-ze9cl 16 күн бұрын
Midnights winning AOTY was frustrating, but if this album wins next year then I'm no longer tuning into that portion of the grammys. There's no point if they're going to pick Taylor every time.
@firstlast9846
@firstlast9846 16 күн бұрын
I don’t like how she won an award for her last album and used her speech as promotion for her next album. Felt like a circlejerk.
@spoonlegs
@spoonlegs 16 күн бұрын
I agree with it being frustrating if only for the fact that it was released in 2022..... it's probably a Grammy's problem but I can't help but be frustrated on behalf of the amazing albums released in 2023 that Midnights was up against for aoty
@All-ze9cl
@All-ze9cl 16 күн бұрын
@@spoonlegs ikr! It technically shouldn’t have even been there
@mirandabee2323
@mirandabee2323 16 күн бұрын
I wanted GUTS to win, and I really thought SZA's album would win. I didn't think Midnights would win. And I'm a Swiftie!
@palomathereptilian
@palomathereptilian 16 күн бұрын
Midnights definitely didn't deserved AOTY... Not at all, it's not even her best pop album, SZA deserved a lot more I'll just give up on grammys if she end up winning with TTPD tbh
@EvanSol919
@EvanSol919 16 күн бұрын
Taylor is definitely overexposed right now so that's feeding into it. I feel like this should have been released after the eras tour finished or after her next rerecording.
@iain9757
@iain9757 16 күн бұрын
Yeh even if you’re a huge fan 30ish songs is HUGE
@xoxo.pochacco
@xoxo.pochacco 16 күн бұрын
Yeah, it's really overwhelming. I feel like Speak Now TV didn't have it's chance to shine, and now I feel it's the same with 1989 TV. I don't think we were ready for a new 30+ song album.
@faithrodriguez9076
@faithrodriguez9076 16 күн бұрын
you put into words exactly how I felt about this situation. I like a lot of Taylor's music, but I want to be able to critique even my favorite artists without being crucified for it. there's no reason to worship these musicians the way we are.
@awickedformerdisneysinger8445
@awickedformerdisneysinger8445 16 күн бұрын
I'm a Swiftie and I was really let down by this album. Her writing was really not good on this album and it's shocking. Some of the songs on the new album I really like, but I'd be fine if she never wrote music again. I couldn't tell the songs apart either. And I think there's something wrong with the fact that her songs sound like a 19 year old is writing them when she's in her 30s, whereas Folklore and Evermore were more mature.
@mauriciosalasart
@mauriciosalasart 16 күн бұрын
Swiftie here 🙋🏻‍♂️ I most definitely agree with you here. Sooo many lines did not make sense & we’re very out of place IMO. 😬
@All-ze9cl
@All-ze9cl 16 күн бұрын
It's insane how different folklore and evermore are from this. Even midnights was lyrically and melodically better. I think so long london is the only song that I find myself listening to, the others have corny lyrics (and I do understand that some of them, like the gta line, are there to set the tone and go along with the feeling of the song) but they just weren't enjoyable to listen to. Plus, so many songs just kind of blended together sound wise, and it isn't 100% Jack Antonoffs fault, but it does feel like she didn't want to try anything new and so the sound that came from it was pretty bland and boring. Even the more upbeat songs didn't really get me very into the album. It's a shame because I love Taylors writing and melodies in past albums, and this one completely missed the mark for me.
@abbytaegusuga
@abbytaegusuga 16 күн бұрын
I’ve been a Swiftie since the beginning and I totally agree. Nearly all 31 songs sound sonically the same, and it’s not even good!! All of her “from the vault” tracks gave her the impression that *everything* she writes needs to be released. These definitely could’ve stayed in the vault permanently. They’re all about the same thing, so trim the fat a little!!! This album was her first official flop for me
@mauriciosalasart
@mauriciosalasart 16 күн бұрын
@@All-ze9cl ah yes, folklore & evermore !! Absolutely wonderful bodies of work, IMHO I will stand by and say they both are Taylor’s best 😳 I remember when I first listened, I really did enjoy it & was amazed that the sound was so different from anything she had made before.
@danicee
@danicee 16 күн бұрын
I’m not a stan but I have some friends that are and we’ve debated about her lyrics a few times. You worded this so well, because I am of the mindset that when she does write songs that relate to her life and her former relationships, the lyrics hint at her being emotionally stunted because she hasn’t had the opportunity to live a normal life so it sounds as if she’s in college, experiencing life events later. That’s definitely an issue children of the entertainment industries experience, not something that is discussed often in regards to musicians and singers but definitely a topic mentioned for actors. Tbh I think musicians and singers have been encouraged to have fleeting relationships because of the instability of the industry, traveling all the time and needing to constantly tour. Every time an album comes out I assume there will be a song about a past relationship that is usually described in a negative light, which is terrible because it’s not promoting healthy relationships. The only song I recall being positive was the one alluding to Taylor Lautner, which had to have been released at least 3 albums ago…
@glasstablegcrls
@glasstablegcrls 16 күн бұрын
i feel like she’s in drake mode rn (no wonder they’re good friends lol) views was mid, and instead of him doing better, he just made one of the worst albums of 2018 (scorpion), then just keeps getting consistent at making dogwater after he stopped using ghostwriters /hj. MIDnights is the views of her catalog, and ttpd is 100% the scorpion. it’s just the beginning.
@Givemepeacealone
@Givemepeacealone 16 күн бұрын
lol midnights is so much worse than ttpd.
@Kalitayy
@Kalitayy 16 күн бұрын
Imagine her releasing her version of Honestly, Nevermind and For All The Dogs. Then one of the genre’s greatest artists (Kendrick equivalent of Pop) decided to diss her. Then she made a good single responding to the diss.
@Sevenninefine
@Sevenninefine 15 күн бұрын
That’s the best way to put it
@GeteMachine
@GeteMachine 15 күн бұрын
I think the lyrical delivery on this album is messy and clunky, yet because of the way Taylor's PR, you cant seem to criticize the album without it being less than a 9/10 but to me it really doesn't deserve it. CNN gave the album a poor review when it was released, then flipped completely to a 10/10 out of nowhere claiming it was simply "something you have to get used to overtime." Which I thought was bs. Like people are afraid to just be honest about anything Taylor puts out now, because they're afraid of the Swifties or her PR. Her praise online is starting to feel artificial now.
@glasstablegcrls
@glasstablegcrls 15 күн бұрын
@@GeteMachineit’s so dystopian like taylor is their cult leader.. whatever she releases, they say “yes” and praise it.
@princesstelimena2887
@princesstelimena2887 16 күн бұрын
Honestly, I love this album. But it is so frustrating to see other swifties freak out at people for having a different opinion. It’s okay to not have the same taste in music. Like no two people are gonna have the exact same taste. I don’t get why it’s so hard for people to get that. While I feel that some of the critiques against her have been a little unfair, I totally understand that everyone has a different opinion and that’s okay
@lordfreerealestate8302
@lordfreerealestate8302 16 күн бұрын
Critique often pushes artists to do better and be better.
@photogbrandie5744
@photogbrandie5744 16 күн бұрын
I agree Telimena. And I think the key to what you said is “critiques against her.” Critiques of someone’s music, the kind that can make someone better at their craft, are expected. But there are way too many “reviewers” who use their platforms to personally slam celebrities because they think it’s fun and it gets them clicks. And then fans play right into it by taking the bait. If they were ignored, they’d stop, or the haters could all hang out in their echo chambers with each other.
@violetlavi2207
@violetlavi2207 16 күн бұрын
YEP and the people saying that criticism of this album is “misogynistic”…no it’s not?? It’s criticism of a MUSIC ALBUM, something that has happened to multiple artists 😂
@jksperson7745
@jksperson7745 16 күн бұрын
Exactly. No one has to has to like TTPD and can freely point out the errors in it.
@starjumper9330
@starjumper9330 15 күн бұрын
@@lordfreerealestate8302 it does, but some of these critiques are done through character assasination. The Paste Magazine review was more of a critique on her persona then of the music. I think most agree that her music is not her selling point, it's her stories.
@Dominique129
@Dominique129 16 күн бұрын
Large segments of the Beyhive, Barbs, and Swifties as fandoms scare me lol. Any genuine critique, constructive thoughts/feedback, or any opinion you give that is not positive & involves breathing results in pitchforks. If you are a 'fan' making death threats you need serious help. Great video, Kayla!
@frnk708
@frnk708 15 күн бұрын
I don't think this is a bad album at all, but I think there's a few reasons it was underwhelming. one reason was that it was just too many songs. it's hard to make an album cohesive when its two hours of music another is that it was probably pretty rushed. I mean I'm assuming most of this was composed and recorded during her tour, re-recordings, promotion for her movie, etc, not to mention her breakup. I'm not sure why she didn't take more time on it. I think she still has this fear that she will become irrelevant as she gets older, but I really don't think that will be true for her but maybe that is why she wanted to release it during the height of her fame. The main reason in my opinion, though, is that the songs aren't always very interesting musically. I don't think the songs themselves are bad, at least most of them I thought were good songs. but its all just a beat, some harmonies, and instrumentation that sounds kind of dull or in the background. I think if more interesting things were happening musically, the perception of the album would be a LOT different. the last is that Taylor is the most famous person in the world right now basically so. people expect a lot from her
@rebekkahill4664
@rebekkahill4664 16 күн бұрын
The biggest problem of the album that everyone seems to be missing is that lyrically she was attempting to be ironic and tongue and cheek, so very different to folklore/evermore, but the sound was so serious and dull that the satire of the lyrics just didn't land at all. Massive let down.
@lordfreerealestate8302
@lordfreerealestate8302 16 күн бұрын
I feel like they say "it's satire" to the bad parts of the songs to avoid admitting to themselves that not everything she writes is perfect.
@mr.perezident9381
@mr.perezident9381 16 күн бұрын
⁠@@lordfreerealestate8302 Just because a joke doesn’t land doesn’t mean it isn’t there though. In an album with songs titled “Down Bad” or “loml,” and lines like “I’m having his baby, no I’m not, but you should see your faces” I think it’s fair to have that interpretation.
@GeRia-be3js
@GeRia-be3js 15 күн бұрын
No, I see the attempts. When someone describes themselves as „pissed off“ about a heartbreak, I think ii‘s safe to say they’re not going for earnest, deep, touching stuff. Or the whole „I can fix him“ is definitely not naively said. The joke is that she‘s totally delusional and bragging about it and only in the last line she’s like „um maybe not lol“ I‘m not saying it’s the height of comedy but the tone is definitely satirical.
@GeRia-be3js
@GeRia-be3js 15 күн бұрын
It can still be bad satire, but should be evaluated on those merits.
@theymakefunofmyname-qz4dq
@theymakefunofmyname-qz4dq 15 күн бұрын
the album is a grower. I can tell you that.
@PerukiWigs
@PerukiWigs 16 күн бұрын
I’m a swiftie but this album was so mid. She put so many strange lyrics that makes the songs sound more like poems put to a melody, which I get is the point of the album but she just doesn’t do it in a way the works well.
@plnkblue
@plnkblue 16 күн бұрын
an album of “tortured poetry” sounding like poems…. wow who could’ve guessed
@restless.dreamss_
@restless.dreamss_ 16 күн бұрын
​@plnkblue they just said they know thats the point of the album, it just isn't implemented in a way that works well. No need to be rude
@mrggy
@mrggy 16 күн бұрын
I agree completely. I think the concept of an album at the edge of poetry and songwriting is really cool, but imo this was terribly executed. I do think the lyrics read like free verse poetry, but the problem is they don't read like good free verse poetry. As poetry, it's awkward and lines aren't as thought out and well crafted as they should be. Good poetry involves a lot of thought, editing, and rewrites to be good. Every single word carries weight and has to be carefully considered. I don't think the lyrics meet that threshold for good poetry. On the flip side, as a piece of music, I often found the lyrics to feel unconnected from the music, making the work feel incoherent. While the idea was interesting, it felt like a first draft that no one bothered to edit.
@Viviana-pe5sh
@Viviana-pe5sh 16 күн бұрын
it's not her style of songwriting and maybe she could do better if she practices, she's always been more on the simple direct scenarios and stating exactly how she's feeling (The Story of us, all too well, cruel summer, cornelia street) rather than this verbiage stuff
@Hello-hello-hello456
@Hello-hello-hello456 15 күн бұрын
@@plnkblue It's not refined at all in terms of craft.
@talonthehand
@talonthehand 16 күн бұрын
It was wild the first time I heard the term Stan. And I’m like. You guys know where that’s from, right? You don’t want to be like Stan.
@bigdingus708
@bigdingus708 16 күн бұрын
TTPD for me is like 10% bad songs, 70% mid samey songs, and 20% really solid songs. for the first time since evermore, including re-records, i find myself going back and listening to songs off this album again. but holy shit the bad moments are downright cringe
@KingQueerio
@KingQueerio 16 күн бұрын
I legit only listen to to like 3-4 songs on repeat… cause none of the others hit for me
@ultravioletpisces3666
@ultravioletpisces3666 16 күн бұрын
Well this is normal for most albums-- even though I disagree, personally. But I mean… absolutely most albums hit just like that for most people
@stellasdoesstuff
@stellasdoesstuff 16 күн бұрын
​@@ultravioletpisces3666idk if that's true. I like most of the songs of the artists I listen to. I often listen albums beginning to end without even being tempted to skip a song. Idk, maybe I'm the weird one
@kf5338
@kf5338 16 күн бұрын
What stuck out to me is that there isn't a single bridge on this album that I found memorable. Taylor has always delivered one or multiple amazing bridges on her albums. I honestly cannot remember a single bridge after listening to TTPD multiple times.
@ultravioletpisces3666
@ultravioletpisces3666 16 күн бұрын
@@stellasdoesstuff I tend to like entire albums myself but most people seem to disagree whether it’s a casual listener skipping to only the ones they like or reviews I’ve read.
@lydedollia765
@lydedollia765 16 күн бұрын
Another thing that rubbed me wrong about TTPD is the line in Who’s Afraid of Little Old Me “Isn’t that what they all said, that I’ll sue you if you step on my lawn” Right after she sued a collage student for using publicity available info to track her private jet…? Like… Anyone else find that a little weird..? :’)
@Viviana-pe5sh
@Viviana-pe5sh 16 күн бұрын
she also threatened to sue the reporter that wrote an article on how neo-nazi groups crowned her their aryan princess
@plnkblue
@plnkblue 16 күн бұрын
She didn't "sue" anybody; her team threatened legal action, but there's obviously nothing they can do because what that student did doesn't break any laws and uses public data that is shared for the safety of every person who uses airplanes to travel. It was a dumb thing to do, but I honestly don't even know if it was something she herself requested, or if it was a stupid decision made by her security team. That's the point; people jump to conclusions and think she's out here handing out lawsuits to any person who even looks at her wrong, when in reality she didn't even countersue the person who sexually harassed her for more than a single dollar in court.
@MayaLove777
@MayaLove777 15 күн бұрын
That happened because Taylor has stalker's and she didn't want her location info being shared everywhere which is understandable
@b12233
@b12233 13 күн бұрын
Also the whole point of the song is "You should be". So yeah. It actually tracks fine with what happened. And she's more than justified in threatening action when it puts her in danger. That's what people don't see about her actions, the context is wildly different when you're that famous. Your comment has actually made me appreciate the song more
@s1mperadicator13
@s1mperadicator13 12 күн бұрын
idfc!!!!!
@taylorgayhart9497
@taylorgayhart9497 16 күн бұрын
I’ve never liked a Taylor Swift album as much as I like this one. Everyone has different preferences and that’s okay. People need to take this less seriously.
@emmas381
@emmas381 16 күн бұрын
Agreed, I love this album and it’s shocking to me that people on either side are this worked up about it.
@clearseas2657
@clearseas2657 15 күн бұрын
Same.
@automnejoy5308
@automnejoy5308 15 күн бұрын
Most people like it. It's broken global records and is absolutely dominating the charts. The people complaining on here don't realize how out of sync they really are.
@naomisdiary9835
@naomisdiary9835 16 күн бұрын
i hate her fake victim complex on this album so bad
@powergirls1466
@powergirls1466 5 күн бұрын
As a fan, I can't agree more, it doesn't seem very mature imo
@KyleReaume
@KyleReaume 16 күн бұрын
Thank you for your always nuanced take on the material!
@farrahaliceblack7453
@farrahaliceblack7453 15 күн бұрын
I think a big problem around Taylor Swifts brand is the easter egg hunts. I am a fan, but I genuinely don't think there are as many clues into her personal life as fans believe there are. So all the discourse around "is this song about about Joe or Matty?" "How could she give some much of this album to Matty?" Isn't helpful to her and her fans not getting dogwalked by the wider media landscape who don't have all that "lore". Like, she rose to fame as a teenager who dropped scathing clues about her ex's, that is the marketing strategy she still uses and it really works, and she has always and will always write from a very personal place as do most artists. But for the love of fucking god NONE of these songs are fundamentally "about" anyone they're all about her. Even if you think it hints to one relationship or another, she was still in that relationship. She's the focal point. Like she's a 34 year old woman, she's not the same teenager writing her older albums and I genuinely think a lot of TTPD is about that
@martina-cc3ch
@martina-cc3ch 16 күн бұрын
I don't like her new album or her music like it's not for me and that's okay. But I hate when people say "you don't get the metaphores" like i get them, i just don't like them. Also I think people need to stop putting her on a pedestal you can like her music and everything, there's nothing wrong with that but denaying valid critisism and making ir seem misogynistic it's not helping her case. We also have to take to account that she is a millionaire white cis woman, she does have problems (like anyone else) but oportunities, work, etc are not one of them. If she was a poc woman she wouldn't have half the awards she has, and i will die on that hill.
@emmaswan8059
@emmaswan8059 15 күн бұрын
adding on to your point by saying she’s now a billionaire. i am a huge swiftie but her professional self victimizing is insane.
@lordfreerealestate8302
@lordfreerealestate8302 12 күн бұрын
On the last part: she definitely has the halo that race, wealth, and celebrity put on work that's just so-so. Even people in the social justice community can't wrap their head around the fact there aren't any good billionaires.
@YourOasis97
@YourOasis97 16 күн бұрын
i listened to some of the songs. i'm not a swiftie, never have been but what really changed my mind about her and her music overall is her album 1989. i really liked the singles. and i agree, she's a great storyteller. i had to stop listening to TTPD because it was just too depressing for me and on that day I wasn't feeling great emotionally anyway. But it did open my heart to her pain and I have more compassion for her now. I think she needs a break from music, and from just being in the public eye in general after her tour is over. and honestly, after listening to the lyrics, she needs therapy if she's not already in therapy or she should at least look up the word codependency cause that's the message i got from her lyrics. she's a codependent and can't seem to be on her own for very long, always moving from one relationship to the next is unhealthy to me if you don't put a break/pause in between those relationships to really get to know yourself, your wants/needs, your unhealthy patterns, and learn to like yourself first. otherwise, you'll just fall for any guy that lands on your lap and most of the time, the guys aren't great. so i hope travis is a good one but i still stand by she needs therapy and a break.
@cakt1991
@cakt1991 16 күн бұрын
Some of the criticisms are weird and absolutely are in bad faith, but I don’t think all criticism is bad. I’ve seen some people say this is the album that is the “most” Taylor Swift album, warts and all, so I can see why it would be polarizing for many. And while I’m an avid Swiftie and have been for years, I’ve seen some of the more sensible Swifties with a brain being attacked over their opinions on this album. In the comments of your other post, I mentioned that another KZfaqr, Swiftologist, and how he’s been repeatedly bullied by other Swifties for things like saying Midnights didn’t deserve Album of the Year at the Grammys, plus his more neutral stance on Taylor’s boyfriends. He’s not fawning over Travis, and her exes don’t become public enemy number one once the breakup happens. That’s not to say he hasn’t made jokes, but he isn’t harassing people or making death threats.
@plnkblue
@plnkblue 16 күн бұрын
tbh on the swiftologist thing, i think a lot of people dislike him less for his specific opinions and more for the way he holds himself as extremely pretentious and essentially behaves like the physical embodiment of catty stan culture. he definitely shouldn't be getting harassed and plenty of swifties cross the line on multiple occasions, but in terms of like, "swiftie creators," he's definitely very easy to dislike.
@cakt1991
@cakt1991 15 күн бұрын
@@plnkblue I can see that, but I respect that he’s not afraid to express his opinion and express it boldly. As he pointed out in his comments section, he doesn’t constantly have to say “BUT IT’S JUST MY OPINION!” every time he says something remotely unpopular.
@the_piano_nerd4960
@the_piano_nerd4960 15 күн бұрын
@@plnkblue That surprises me! I love swiftologist. I don't always agree with him, but I always enjoy hearing his well-considered opinions to see where we compare and contrast, and as someone who isn't in journalism I feel like I learn a lot from hearing how his background informs his opinions on things. I can see how the cattiness can be a detractor for some, but I just see it as something fun and not too serious, just chatting and joking around
@photogbrandie5744
@photogbrandie5744 16 күн бұрын
I’m a huge Swiftie and I agree with you Kayla. It makes me sad when artists whose work I love have such toxic fandoms. I know a lot of amazing Taylor fans who haven’t put her on a gigantic pedestal in the clouds, but of course we’re overshadowed by the ones who have made being a Swiftie their entire personality. There are some TS songs I don’t like, and while I think Folklore was genius, I never really liked Evermore as much. As fans, we should be able to have those opinions without other fans acting like we stole their three cats.
@dawnieedreams
@dawnieedreams 13 күн бұрын
I think a large part of the critique for this album is general Taylor Swift fatigue. She's released 8 albums in the past 4 years, 9 if you count The Anthology as separate from the rest of TTPD. Genuinely, it's too much. It almost feels like she's just releasing music just to release it, not because of any artistic integrity. And when she releases these albums with so many songs and so little time between each major release, it doesn't give many the true staying power that songs from her first 6 albums did. A friend of mine once compared her releases to fast fashion, and I truly think that they were on the nose with that. Churned out, seemingly no effort, just in it for the money, forgettable releases that all feel nearly indistinguishable from each other. I love Taylor's work, but this has just become too much. I really hope she's seeing the negative feedback to this album and takes it to heart. If she didnt release anything for like 2-3 years and then came out with a new album, I think that'd be best.
@yuyu2007
@yuyu2007 16 күн бұрын
There are tracks that I really love, but my overwhelming feeling while listening was that there was too much similarity between tracks, as mentioned in the video. I got bored. Which is not something I have said about other TS albums.
@username-kx7ds
@username-kx7ds 16 күн бұрын
the songs were also far too long for how long the album was. A lot of the songs were just too long for being kinda mediocre and other songs just could've gone by the waste side. (I did rlly like some songs tho)
@justwonder1404
@justwonder1404 15 күн бұрын
I'm not frustrated with the people who just didn't like the album (though I heard it grows on you with re-listening), but chronically online folks having a meltdown over the 1830 line or purposefully not understanding why So High School is the way it is make me wonder if reading comprehension is still a thing. That being said, completely agree that some swifties really need to chill out and stop embarrassing themselves.
@chaldeaferguson8998
@chaldeaferguson8998 15 күн бұрын
In my opinion TTPD as an album has what multiple Taylor Swift songs have had in the past which is satire, tongue in cheek references, hyperbolic language, and an overall unserious tone. Take for instance, You Need To Calm Down or Hits Different. Lyrics like “I come back harder than a ‘90s trend” from Willow and “sit quiet by my side in the shade and not the kind that’s thrown” from Paris. Like, those lines are so unserious! And YNTCD and Hits Different are talking about serious things but in a lighthearted and at times, dramatic way. This has always been apart of Taylor’s songwriting, I just think that a lot of people don’t really love this style and are used to it in singles mostly. I personally love it and so I like the album. I think it’s kinda one of those things where some people get it and some people just don’t . Another thing that I’ve seen some people mention is that albums take time to digest, especially a double album with 31 songs. Some people are quick to declare that they don’t like an album from one listen and that’s okay. If you don’t care to give it more time than by all means don’t but you can’t really make a nuanced review of an album that hasn’t had time to marinate. It think it’s just important for people to understand the limits of their assessment of something.
@recreatio
@recreatio 15 күн бұрын
you said this so well
@chaldeaferguson8998
@chaldeaferguson8998 15 күн бұрын
@@recreatio omg thank you 🫶🏽
@spoonlegs
@spoonlegs 16 күн бұрын
I always look forward to hearing your take on topics, especially ones such as this that migth even be considered "hot button" but you always take such a great even stance, it is always so refreshing. You can see the inherent factors at work on either side of many different issues while clearly and succinctly explaining your point of view. Thank you for all your hard work on this channel. 100K GET READY
@Kalitayy
@Kalitayy 16 күн бұрын
Midnights was Taylor’s version of Views and TTPD is her Scorpion/CLB. Taylor knew she could put little to no effort into her music and still make banks.
@c.-sx2qd
@c.-sx2qd 16 күн бұрын
Like I get that Taylor works with a lot of the same people on album production because as a woman in the music industry, she would feel safe with them. (Remember Max Martin was Dr. Lukes mentor and I feel like that was a reason they didn’t jump on Red Taylor’s Version) but also like, I get it, “Getaway Car” slaps, but does Jack have to be on everything?! For everyone?! I wanna know what happened with Liz Rose - cause Taylor was at her best when she had an editor and Liz arguably curated the original”All Too Well”.
@cakt1991
@cakt1991 16 күн бұрын
I didn’t realize there was a connection between Max Martin and Dr. Luke. It is very interesting that Ariana chose to work with Max again for her album covering some similar ground, ie the breakup of a pivotal relationship and a controversial follow up relationship. I do wonder about Liz. I know they stopped working together after the original release of Red. I’m curious how much any affiliation with Big Machine has to do with that. I believe that’s the reason why, despite Taylor being able to bring back some of her other prior collaborators for the Taylor’s Versions, she wasn’t able to bring back her primary producer for her country records, Nathan Chapman.
@billiebee7845
@billiebee7845 16 күн бұрын
i get that she feels safe with these male producers... but what if she worked with female producers more? i loved when she worked with imogen heap. i wish they would collaborate again
@justjoannak
@justjoannak 16 күн бұрын
Totaly agree with this! I love her work with Aaron, too, but I hope Liz comes back to do another album or she uses other producers that are women
@justjoannak
@justjoannak 16 күн бұрын
​@@billiebee7845c Agreed
@billiebee7845
@billiebee7845 16 күн бұрын
@@justjoannak totally! her and Liz were magic
@melaniedavis-kay7599
@melaniedavis-kay7599 16 күн бұрын
I love this album and absolutely knew that critics and most of the general public would hate it. You are correct that this album is badly written and produced, but that's why I find it so fascinating. I don't know if it was intentional on Taylor's part, but in my opinion, the production of TTPD accurately captures Taylor Swift's hatred, anger, and fatigue of being Taylor Swift. I don't want to project anything on to her, but when you sing about how much you want to k*ll yourself on three albums in a row and all your fans care about are which song is about which guy you dated, that has to be depressing. Really think about: would ANYONE want to be Taylor Swift right now? I'm sure Taylor wanted her career to be successful, but had no idea how damaging this level of fame is. I know that Taylor's a grown woman, but TTPD makes it clear that nobody knows what Taylor is going through, myself included. We have know idea what's going to happen to her once the Eras tour is over, but I hope to god that she is okay. Anyways, rant over, your insight is fantastic once again, and you're so right about Aaron Dessner 😭
@marykay7878
@marykay7878 15 күн бұрын
but when you sing about how much you want to k*ll yourself on three albums in a row and all your fans care about are which song is about which guy you dated, that has to be depressing...WOW since i only listen to her singles, i had NO idea she sang about su!c!de three albums in a row. however, since taylor villainizes everyone and everything to victimize herself, so she can be the heroine risen from the ashes, i would take that with a grain of salt. i think she is very calculated in the things she admits or alludes to.
@camipco
@camipco 15 күн бұрын
Sure, I'd be Taylor Swift right now. I mean, like many of us, I'm also depressed and fatigued and angry most of the time and it would be nice to at least get to wear the pretty dresses. Also, isn't a big part of the story that Taylor Swift choose to be Taylor Swift right now, that what Joe was offering her was getting to step away from the level of fame she has and she was not able/willing to do that?
@melaniedavis-kay7599
@melaniedavis-kay7599 15 күн бұрын
@@marykay7878 That is a good point, but that's why I also said that nobody knows her and we don't know what's going on inside her head. Maybe she is making this up to be victimized, maybe she isn't. Again, we don't know, and maybe we'll never know
@marykay7878
@marykay7878 15 күн бұрын
@@melaniedavis-kay7599 true that. i also dont feel that sceptical about her feelings, i am more sceptical about her accounts about how other people wronged her. her feelings are not really up for our scrutiny.
@melaniedavis-kay7599
@melaniedavis-kay7599 15 күн бұрын
@@camipco If you feel like that, would you want to travel internationally week after week to perform 3 hour shows in front of thousands of demanding fans? Do you want fans, the media, and the haters alike all on your doorstep waiting to hound you outside? Do you want AI porn to be made of you just because you're dating a guy on their football team? Do you actually want to be the most famous person alive that NO ONE will ever relate to you? It's not just pretty dresses. And yes, Taylor did choose this, but again, I don't think she knew how damaging this level of fame is. And Joe would only help a minor problem with that, not having the media slut-shame her.
@sphazel
@sphazel 16 күн бұрын
THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO KAYLA!!! I’m a big swiftie and i love this album, but i agree entirely with everything you said. you have so many great points that a lot of people need to hear, and you’re so right about people taking critique as a diss on taylor herself, instead of just on the album. LIKE ITS JUST THE TASTE IN MUSIC PEOPLE! it’s not that deep lmao. i also think since i love taylor and loved the album at first, i couldn’t see the things that make it frustrating for people but now i do. i really hope people either far on the hating side or far on the loving side learn that, like anything else in life, people have different opinions and life experiences and perceive things differently. at the end of the day, she IS talented. she CAN write. she is a woman going through life and love and all her own experiences, and we put her on too high of a pedestal. i feel like, you can’t truly be a “real fan” unless you realize her flaws. or even just learn to be okay with the fact that other people will pay more attention or care more about other parts of her than you do. i don’t even know cause i’m just rambling but people need to mind their own business. it sucks that we live in such a fake world where you can’t ever really know certain peoples real intentions. so just make the best of it by sharing your opinions and not caring what people think because YOU CAN NEVER PLEASE EVERYONE! AND THAT IS HOW ITS SUPPOSED TO BE. just do you, and i’m really sorry for people who feel like their opinions aren’t valid (do people know what the word opinion means??), or are afraid to speak up. thanks if somebody actually read this and i hope you do something that makes you happy today.
@imnothere7362
@imnothere7362 16 күн бұрын
i really like some tracks on tortured poets but too many of them sound the same 😭
@justjoannak
@justjoannak 16 күн бұрын
Agreed!
@automnejoy5308
@automnejoy5308 15 күн бұрын
They really don't. What songs sound the same to you?
@twilightdream
@twilightdream 9 күн бұрын
Agreed, I hope she works with different producers next time
@meraki664
@meraki664 3 күн бұрын
​@@automnejoy5308 Here are some i think sounds almost the same: 1. Down bad + imgonnagetyouback 2. Fortnight + The Tortured Poets Department + The Alchemy 3. loml + Chloe or Sam or Sophia or Marcus + How Did It End? + Peter + Cassandra + The Manuscript 4. I Hate It Here + thanK you aIMee (the guitar sounds almost the same but faster on the diss track) 5. Fresh Out The Slammer + I Can Fix Him ( No, Really I Can ) The only songs i listen to in loops are: - I Hate It Here ( my fav ) - The Black Dog - Peter
@222._.CryingAngel
@222._.CryingAngel 16 күн бұрын
As a die-hard swiftie, I do not think it is right, cool, or fun to be horrible to others whom don't agree with an opinion. I think it's rather disgusting. People are allowed to have their own opinions. I don't 100% agree with your opinion, on this album, but I do think your thoughts, feelings etc. are very much valid and should be respected. All my love❤
@2FRESH-4U
@2FRESH-4U 14 күн бұрын
We used to have a saying in this county. “I might not agree with your opinion but I’ll fight for your right to express it” things have changed in the last decade or so
@FishareFriendsNotFood972
@FishareFriendsNotFood972 15 күн бұрын
So, I play around with my online persona, I've been a teen girl online, an old man, a middle aged Dad, etc. I like doing this because it is just SUCH a great way to collect objective data; in other words, if I say the exact same sentences, just one is out of the mouth of a teenage girl, and the other an elderly man, how will the words be taken? Applying this to the conversations about Swifties, I would say two things: 1) Compared to other online groups, I have not found Swifties to be especially vicious (compared to let's say The Barbs, or the way any black person critiquing country music will be treated). There's just a LOT of Swift fans, so if you dislike something Taylor does, a lot of people will disagree, but I have not found them to be especially cruel. 2) Where I have felt a lot of cruelty is posting under a female persona in support of Taylor Swift in male spaces. That gets vicious. So I think their defensiveness of her, and seeing all critique as coming from a misogynistic place, has some validity. Out of all my online personas, 'teenage girl', which is Swift's demographic, gets hated for merely having opinions on most things more so than any group. If we want Swift fans to be less defensive, we have to attack that problem, instead of telling them to preemptively chill.
@automnejoy5308
@automnejoy5308 15 күн бұрын
I have observed this, as well. Thank you for this further confirmation. Also, some people don't seem to realize that a huge percentage of her fans are millennial or gen Z women who grew up with her and never stopped loving her. Of course, some people do realize this and they mock that demographic, too.
@andrewmctigue4765
@andrewmctigue4765 16 күн бұрын
Great and thoughtful video as always Kayla It’s albums like these where I’m eternally grateful you got me into Chappell Roan
@albertqhumperdinck
@albertqhumperdinck 15 күн бұрын
Off topic, but its such a cute easter egg of all of your videos catching the chiptune outro credits music and then figuring out the reference or connection back to the video subject. It`s a pretty small thing but it gives me exactly one crumb of dopamine every time, and I thank you for it!
@chappellgroan
@chappellgroan 16 күн бұрын
You always have the most nuanced takes on here, it’s refreshing. I agree with everything you said on this album. There’s something incredibly Orwellian and culty about stan culture censoring criticism of big artists like Taylor. Also, would love to see an Arctic Monkeys video from you!
@s1mperadicator13
@s1mperadicator13 12 күн бұрын
Nuanced? I don't think so. In reference to the PASTE magazine review, she only conducted research that's favorable in her opinion, specifically, the part wherein the name of the despicable and hideous reviewer who omitted identity due to the fear of being attacked, and she made a connection and diverted the topic into something like, "this is what the stan community has brought into professional reviews." This ignorant woman didn't mention that such a review was made unprofessionally, and even more credible and reputable authorities called out that person!
@chappellgroan
@chappellgroan 10 күн бұрын
@@s1mperadicator13 A reviewer is allowed to do as they please, there’s no guidelines to follow. It’s called free speech, and stan culture is getting in the way of it. Plus, there was plenty of other articles that reviewed the album poorly including Stereogum, Pitchfork, and NME so you’re talking smack here.
@mutantsupremacies
@mutantsupremacies 16 күн бұрын
taylor swift is a “tortured poet” in the same way that beyoncé is a “struggling backup dancer” and gaga is a “starving artist”. except taylor isn’t a poet
@mandalevelsup
@mandalevelsup 16 күн бұрын
I love this album, and TS, but neither are above criticism. I do genuinely think that there are songs that are too smart for a snap judgement first listen critique, but I also don't love every song on this album. I've definitely read and listened to a few reviews that don't think they are reviewing her persona and absolutely are. And I've read a Lot of fandom discourse that refuses to accept incredibly valid opinions and criticisms because parasocial attachments are empathy blinders (among other reasons.) I definitely agree about the stan culture poisoning the well, and broadly letting people criticize things. Bad faith criticism still chafes the hell out of me though.
@allisonw27
@allisonw27 16 күн бұрын
Love your videos and always appreciate how well researched and thought out they are! 100% agree with all of this.
@tacocat9844
@tacocat9844 16 күн бұрын
die hard swiftie here, folklore and evermore are my favorite albums of hers by far, and i find myself going back to those two constantly. I do really really like TTPD, but i agree that it all sounds somewhat similar, and each song doesn’t have much individuality compared to the next. I like the vibe of florida and i can fix him no really I can, those ones felt different. I know she’s very close with jack but i truly wish she’d branch out and get more producers on her music. i do however think this album gets better with repeated listening. My first multiple listens i thought it all sounded extremely alike, but later on learned to appreciate each. I felt the same for midnights when it came out, but now realize how different each track is.
@user-mz2ne4yh2t
@user-mz2ne4yh2t 16 күн бұрын
The one thing we can all agree on and the one i hope she takes from all of this (cause she obviously cares A LOT for criticism) is that she desperately needs to get new collaborators for the next project, cause Jack, Aaron and her as a trio have reached a dead end (i would say since MIDnights but the well has definitely and unanimously considered been dried now)
@brimichelle6271
@brimichelle6271 16 күн бұрын
I have literally never understood her or her appeal as a cultural figure. I just don't see how her art contributes anything unique or boundary-pushing to society. Maybe that's the point, but it's not for me.
@All-ze9cl
@All-ze9cl 16 күн бұрын
I don't think every song out there has to be boundary pushing or unique, but if it isn't going to be that, then it still needs to be a good song. There weren't many good songs on this album in my opinion.
@ellamayothethird906
@ellamayothethird906 16 күн бұрын
because she’s a white woman lol. It’s so simple 💀 It’s almost like white woman are the major voting block for the political parties in america. She’s “relatable”
@aR0ttenBANANA
@aR0ttenBANANA 16 күн бұрын
@@All-ze9clthe thing is, if it’s not intellectually stimulating then it has to be the best of the best from a purely aesthetic pov for it to garner such praise. In her case she is neither which begs the question of why and what makes her so special then?
@craisins95
@craisins95 16 күн бұрын
That’s how I feel about her, too. Her music is not made for me. And that’s okay! I have friends who this music is made for and they love it. I’m happy for them that they have something new from their favorite artist. I’m also allowed to be a little annoyed that she’s inescapably everywhere rn when I would like to consume other things. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@All-ze9cl
@All-ze9cl 16 күн бұрын
@@aR0ttenBANANA I agree with your sentiment. I think Taylor has made unique and just genuinely solid and good music in past albums like folklore, evermore, midnights, and basically everything from 1989 on. So I get why she’s so big. I just don’t think these songs were of the same caliber as her older stuff.
@annagracegeddes775
@annagracegeddes775 16 күн бұрын
Your top artists page 💞💞 I love. Hold me like a grudge was in my top five last year 😭
@strawberriesstar
@strawberriesstar 12 күн бұрын
As a swifty, i feel like this era is just..... jojo siwa but its somehow excusable because shes mega famous, im swying this as a swiftie
@crustysSecondChannel
@crustysSecondChannel 11 күн бұрын
omg i was thinking this the other day! its like jojos edgyness but with the whole woe as i poet
@adambrigue5977
@adambrigue5977 15 күн бұрын
You're so right about swifties shooting themselves in the foot with all the policing and lack of nuance. While trying to make one point (you just don't get it , or it's made for fans, or you just don't get poetry or music) they prove 10 other points to their haters in the same comment section
@Lacrosse2471
@Lacrosse2471 16 күн бұрын
As a clueless guy, I usually go to your videos for unbiased insights into these things so thank you so much for what you do Kayla
@izzystewart3868
@izzystewart3868 16 күн бұрын
You're very articulate! I always look forward to hearing what you have to say. I am a huge fan. Thank you!
@MiKi-sx3tt
@MiKi-sx3tt 15 күн бұрын
At this point, diehard Swifties is at the same level of annoyingness as diehard Armys. You can't talk anything negative about them. You can't critique them. A slight critique makes them question your morality, humanity.
@penandpapercliche
@penandpapercliche 15 күн бұрын
Hi, hinged Swiftie here. I really like the album for personal reasons and can totally understand why it doesn't resonate with everyone.
@TaylorMackenz1e
@TaylorMackenz1e 15 күн бұрын
Also would love the AM and reacting to takes vids but ultimately whatever makes you happiest for your milestone 💛
@pegb9524
@pegb9524 16 күн бұрын
1: great video as always! 2: GOD BLESS AARON DESSNER AND THE NATIONAL
@bangbangdead3773
@bangbangdead3773 15 күн бұрын
I wouldn't really call myself a Swiftie, but I do enjoy her music and to me, both the hate and praise this album is getting are overblown. I think the album is fine. Not a masterpiece, but also not the worst thing she's ever created. I do think that the humor in this album is going over people's heads. A lot of the lyrics are meant to be tongue-in-cheek. I also think that there are a lot of bad, clunky lyrics on this album that are completely straightforward though. I think that both the swifties who say that critics are missing the point of the album and the critics who say that Swifties are using the humor as a shield to excuse bad writing are correct. I don't think that the title is meant to be taken seriously, given that she's pretty snide about her ex thinking of himself as a tortured poet in the title track. She says she laughed in his face for using a typewriter, and called them both "modern idiots". songs like "Down Bad", "I Can Fix Him (No Really I Can) and But Daddy I Love Him" are also clearly tongue-in-cheek . There are also a lot of good or even excellent lyrics in this album that are getting overlooked bc the bad ones stick out so much. Some of the bad ones are also being taken out of context though. I think the concept for the album is interesting, but half-baked. If she had cut out some of the overwrought, overwritten ballads, I think the humor would have come across a lot better. To me, it seems like Taylor didn't really know what she wanted this album to be, and it ended up being a bit muddled as a result. I think that putting out an original album during the Eras tour and re-recordings was a mistake. Her attention was divided and I doubt that she was able to devote enough time to the album. I think part of what made Folklore and Evermore so great was that she wrote them during a time when the only thing she could do was focus on creating music. Also she needs to stop working with Jack Antonoff. Lmao
@witchywoman2008
@witchywoman2008 15 күн бұрын
I liked TTPD. Is it her best album? No. Neither was Midnights. But I very much enjoyed it. I don’t think it’s acceptable to run around yelling at anyone who dislikes it. I can absolutely understand why people aren’t vibing with it. Taste is subjective. What is bothering me though is the amount of self confessed Taylor Swift haters who listened to this album just to dunk on it and make content about how much it sucks, she sucks, and we suck as fans. People who say Taylor Swift is for 12 year old girls. I was 12 years old when I became a Taylor Swift fan, yes. But that was 16 years ago. It just feels like a lot of the criticism is in bad faith, which in turn riles up the fans. It’s a big mess and it’s taking the shine off the entire album for me. Which is a shame because, as I said, I do really like the album.
@claranoronha9732
@claranoronha9732 16 күн бұрын
okay just starting the video but i appreciate how timely you are with your videos i usually miss gaps in pop culture moments and youre always there to fill me in lol (crazy that you edit that fast bro)
@emergingmuses
@emergingmuses 16 күн бұрын
I so appreciate Kayla's perspective here and honestly, the fanatical Swifties TERRIFY me. I like her and have since her days of teardrops on her guitar. Yeah. THAT long. But ever since TTPD dropped, my feeds have been inundated by her. The comment sections make me feel sick, both the unnerving parasocial defense from some of the Swifties and the jealous, hateful comments by those who dislike her just because she's EVERYWHERE right now. And the fact that people giving critiques are too worried about their safety to actually show themselves or get messages from people telling them to be safe if they choose to post a video essay on ANYTHING related to her makes my jaw drop. No artist is free from critique. You make art and others (qualified or not) are going to voice opinions, feedback and even distain for it. As Kayla says, you sign up for it as an artist and you either let it consume you or you simply move forward and make more art, for better or worse. It is a weird time to enjoy her music and just ENJOY it without deconstructing her lore (real and fabricated). I agree with a lot of this video and it's weird that I have to say Kayla is brave for doing her role as a content creator and video essayist.
@youdeservemanycats8902
@youdeservemanycats8902 15 күн бұрын
Hey, as a swiftie (I even have dedicated fan account on twitter), I absolutely agree. The thing is, I like that album. But I absolutely understand the criticism the album gets and I accept it. I for example didn't like Midnights all that much, which is certainly an unpopular opinion amongs swifties. I feel like the whiplash Swifties get just for being Swifties is not justified at times and borderlines bullying, but at the same time, Swifties can be incredibly cruel and ruthless themselves. It's sad, really, for us people who are here just to enjoy music.
@StephaniedeBritoLeal
@StephaniedeBritoLeal 15 күн бұрын
Love me people dying here bc 'no, the 1830s line makes sense in context'... But it doesn't. It is a ridiculous line that ruins an ok song about wanting to be somewhere else, but you can't enjoy because she needed to say she wanted to be a southern belle (but awoke, no racism and girlboss!)...... It frustrates me BECAUSE I LIKED THAT SONG AND YET THAT ONE LINE IS NOT "SINGLED OUT TO ATTACK HER", THAT LINE IS STUPID (I'm really frustrated the make-belive song has the worst line amongst all the bad lines in the album). She tied what she sells us as her "personal life" to her everything so much of course every critique will sound like a personal attack. Her PR strategy is to tie her music to life scandals and whatnot. It's a miracle we have Folklore and Evermore.
@meraki664
@meraki664 3 күн бұрын
that line is so unnecessary like girl.. just make a normal song u dont have to mention off-topic stuff ESPECIALLY if its gonna cause a whole controversy 😭😭She really need to bring back the Folkmore/Everlore songwritings+maturity and come up with new sound. I REALLY HOPE SHE MAKE ROCK OR RNB ALBUM NEXT
@beckybyt
@beckybyt 16 күн бұрын
Kayla you've come so far! Congrats girl you've worked so hard!!
@plnkblue
@plnkblue 16 күн бұрын
Its honestly fascinating to me that so many people apparently hate this album. Personally, it’s one of my favorite things she’s ever done. People not vibing with the sound is something I can totally get, even though I would deeply disagree about the songs all “sounding the same.” But I honestly think that a lot of the backlash from fans is due to the fact that the album is calling them out directly for their parasocial entitlement rather than spoon-feeding them the “breakup tea” they were all expecting. It a lot like Reputation, in a way; people expected a big clapback album and got something that was 85% falling in love. People expected TTPD to be the sad girl autumn breakup album, and instead they got an album about harmful situationships and bitterness over the double edged sword of fame. Its really just a continuation of the feelings that inspired the album to begin with; people feel entitled to a specific story or performance, and are pissy that they didn’t get what they wanted in the way that they wanted it. I also think that, while its fair that it won’t appeal to people universally, to expect a woman who has always written autobiographically to suddenly condense herself to writing mostly third-person observational stories is a bit of an unachievable demand. When she writes her songs as a means of processing her own life and experiences, it makes sense that they’re going to embody the narrative of her “lore.” But I also don’t think you need to know that “lore” to enjoy or comprehend her work, even one as definitively tied to her public persona as this one. This album has so many songs commenting on themes beyond just her personal life, such as the mourning of youth, chronic nostalgia, societal expectations of women and the double standards they face for merely existing, the gaping maw of public audiences and how viciously we treat celebrities, and the cyclical nature of trauma and how it effects our behavior in the long run. You can remove the “Taylor Swift” from just about any song on the album and boil it down to its bare essentials incredibly easily. But unfortunately, I think that’s something most listeners are incapable of doing. For better or for worse, Taylor *has* essentially tied her own life and mythology into her work, and thus people will always be attempting to scavenge it for clues to piece together a definitive “narrative,” rather than taking the songs for what they actually are: stories and poems and sentiments about the world and emotions at large. If you listen to the way Taylor herself talks about her songs, especially the little IHeartRadio and Amazon Music blurbs she did for this album, you can see how she discusses them in third-person, how she sings from the perspective of a character (even if the character is just her reflection in a mirror; the reflection still is separate from the flesh and blood) and always tries to bring the focus onto the emotion, idea or experience-NOT the who and the what and the her of it all. But the obsession with celebrity consumes so many people, and for most listeners, Swiftie or not, all they wind up wanting to think about or consider is “what man is this song about?” I honestly just think that people are making this more deep than it actually is. She was feeling some things, she wrote about it, then released it. I love it, and I love the lyricism and the sound and the inherent thematic elements. Other people don’t, and that’s fine. And anybody shouting from the rooftops about the Matty Healy and Joe Alwyn of it all simply need to touch grass.
@craftystargazer2443
@craftystargazer2443 16 күн бұрын
this is absolutely it. also I feel like even the swifties who say they're diehard are having such a negative response to this record because they're kind of holding her to unrealistic standards, like the 'reinventing' of herself and her sound is the standard now. In reality, she went through the deterioration of her longest relationship, then another whirlwind relationship all while she was touring and in another era of extreme overexposure. I think she just had some shit to say and the anthology is exactly that, a bunch of disconnected stories that she wanted to release and did because she could.
@plnkblue
@plnkblue 16 күн бұрын
@@craftystargazer2443 Yeah. I like to take the album very much on its own merits, separate from the "Joe and Matty and Taylor" of it all, because I think there is a lot of genuinely incredible storytelling and commentary within the songs even just on their own, with no external context. But if you do know and care about the "lore," you can also tell that a lot of this album's concept was adapted to the situations she was experiencing in 2023. I think that a lot of the anthology was probably written "after she turned in Midnights," in that 2022 period like she said, because they feel very separate from the emotions of 2023 (The Albatross, I Look In People's Windows, I Hate It Here, The Prophecy, Peter, Robin) and that the main album explores the whole of the 2023 stuff. Announcing the Joe breakup, the Matty fling and all of the public backlash to it, and being on the Eras Tour while it all happened. I actually think this album is an incredibly fascinating inverse to Reputation, which is why that album feels almost like a sister to it. She made Reputation after being publicly "cancelled" on a massive scale and choosing to go into hiding/begin a private, new romantic relationship. But she made TTPD while at the absolute biggest peak of her career and popularity, while having her relationships be broken down and scrutinized directly within the public eye. It's a complete reversal of emotions, but also perfectly parallel. You can still take the "lore" out of it all and enjoy/analyze the songs as they are, and they stand up imo, but if you *are* somebody who knows their stuff and cares about it too, then the logic behind the album's themes and story makes a lot more sense when you contextualize it like that. (Also as a Speak Now girlie, I love how Speak Now coded TTPD is too fsdfdsfds. The fact that the response to the Matty relationship is so similar to the response to the John Mayer relationship back then, like BDILH is literally just Ours 2.0. The fact that she left the "comfortable but boring" relationship to go to the more "passionate" one (Back To December > Dear John). The fact that most of TTPD was written and recorded WHILE she was also teasing, promoting, and releasing Speak Now TV..... like that is also a huge reason why I love TTPD so much and I cannot lie sdfdsfds)
@lolalover24212
@lolalover24212 16 күн бұрын
Ugh I agree with everything you said exactly!!!!! The other huge problem is people claiming their critical “opinions” are somehow more valid than positive ones. They claim swifties are too aggressive and I won’t deny they can be but if you comment on a twitter thread of fans discussing her music with a negative and arrogant opinion that’s arguably baseless, it’s not going to be taken well. No one has to coddle your feelings, if you have an opinion that needs to be expressed SOOOO badly you should be solid enough to stand on it and easily debate aspects of your argument. People are just brutal. No one cares that you don’t like something, move on and simply ~don’t listen to it~ ya know?
@skyethorne4568
@skyethorne4568 16 күн бұрын
this absolutely!! best comment here and such a good analysis of this album
@GoodJudyGames
@GoodJudyGames 16 күн бұрын
Love your videos Kayla 🥰
@railehtdoe2907
@railehtdoe2907 15 күн бұрын
I’ve been listening to her music since her debut album. I don’t care about the easter eggs. I stopped listening to the part 1 of the album halfway through because I got bored with it and found the writing of the lyrics unusually clunky. Tried part 2 and had better luck but honestly deleted the entire double album within 24 hours. I’m fine skipping the whole thing and waiting for the next album while enjoying the previous ones that came before. TTPD is solely for her cult-like fandom. The whole Matty thing is too ridiculous anyway.
@NeraKitsune
@NeraKitsune 16 күн бұрын
I would LOVE an AM retrospective. Incredible album. Thought it was funny that you used B-roll from Fantano's infamous review where he gave it a THREE.
@laragrace4169
@laragrace4169 15 күн бұрын
I’m in the middle of GCSEs (which are uk exams) so I haven’t had time to really listen to the album front to back but there are a few songs on the album I really like so far!
@ThemFatale93
@ThemFatale93 16 күн бұрын
Clara Bow should’ve been called It Girls. Thats my hot take. Go watch one of Clara’s movies she’s glorious *steps off pink soap box*
@khoavo510
@khoavo510 15 күн бұрын
I honestly liked this album on my first listen more than Midnights. For Midnights, I was pretty disappointed when I first listened to it (though I soon got used to it and appreciated it more than I initially thought). TTPD, imo, is the better Midnights so I genuinely don't get why TTPD has a lower reception than Midnights.
@automnejoy5308
@automnejoy5308 15 күн бұрын
It doesn't. TTPD received mostly positive reviews and it's dominating charts globally.
@khoavo510
@khoavo510 15 күн бұрын
@@automnejoy5308 most conversation surrounding the album that I've seen is people being more negative about the album than positive. Regarding the charts, I think anything Taylor puts out would dominate the charts so TTPD dominating is no surprise.
@automnejoy5308
@automnejoy5308 14 күн бұрын
@@khoavo510 That you've seen. Most conversation I've seen is positive. This comment section is full of those who were disappointed. Go to other videos and it's a different story. Look at the comment section under the Fortnight video, which has almost 50 million views now. Lots of happy people commenting on how much they love the song and album. TTPD is dominating more than Midnights or her other previous albums. She broke her own record. And it's still dominating in week 2. It wouldn't be doing that if most people thought it sucked.
@violetlavi2207
@violetlavi2207 15 күн бұрын
10:28 the worst/funniest part is how many Swifties under that tweet went absolutely WILD and started throwing around accusations and…pretty much acted in a way that proved Paste right for their decision
@ccdaly2561
@ccdaly2561 15 күн бұрын
Oh and thanks for the outro music; now I'm down a rabbit hole wondering whatever happened to Dido
@brysongonzalez1265
@brysongonzalez1265 16 күн бұрын
I have been a die hard swiftie since 1989 era and I respect your opinion. I love and adore this album so so much and it just gets better with each listen for me. But, I do agree that it is concerning to have to hide reviewers names in fear of hate from Stans. I can also see the complaint with the album sounding similar and too much like midnights. I always liked Jack antonoffs production with Taylor, but I do think she needs to take a break from him. Anyway, love you and your channel and I can’t believe I haven’t been subscribe till right now… great video!!!! 🩵
@sadlystuckinreality
@sadlystuckinreality 15 күн бұрын
I fully love this album but I don't get upset when I see other people saying they don't like it. How someone else feels about it literally has no impact on me at all. I might not necessarily always get their point of view but I'd never try to tell them they're wrong. I dislike one of Taylor's most popular albums she's ever made and people give me shit for it all the time and I just think it's stupid. Even people who are fans of her are allowed to have different opinions and like certain vibes off specific albums more than others.
@automnejoy5308
@automnejoy5308 15 күн бұрын
The problem isn't people saying they dislike it. The problem is people INACCURATELY stating or implying that their dislike is somehow the majority reaction. People in this comment section are acting like the whole world also hates it like they do, when it is in fact #1 in over a dozen countries and occupying ALL top 14 song slots on the Hot 100. This is the first album EVER to accomplish that. I mean, COME ON.
@ultravioletpisces3666
@ultravioletpisces3666 16 күн бұрын
“The internet is where all nuance goes to die” true dat!
@lynneve3322
@lynneve3322 13 күн бұрын
I can't stop listening to this album. Can't say I love each song, but there are about 7-8 I listen to in a loop. I wonder if that's because I'm in a place in my relationship that is really hard on me. I have to be cautious though, as sometimes I feel overwhelmingly dejected by the mood of this album (which is not very diverse, as you pointed out). Also, English is my second language and the lyrics are fascinating to me. I like listening to swifties' breakdown of each line and wonder how them words even came to her mind
@dianm0
@dianm0 16 күн бұрын
I know someone irl who is that kind of fan but with some K-pop star (i don't even know who it is haha) and they think about defending their fav just as you described it, as a hobby. I don't understand how hate bombing is a hobby or how someone can dehumanize other people just for "fun". I hope you don't get much hate spam, nice video! c:
@kruolliver
@kruolliver 16 күн бұрын
Personally, I love the album. I'm a huge fan. I do feel like it is fair critique to say, for example, some songs sound the same, some DO, not all, for me at least. While I think that the rampant hate for Swifties and Taylor alike is annoying ,as a fan of her, I just want to listen to her and love it. HOWEVER, some of us are so annoying. Every time I say she's my favourite artist I have to follow up with "I'm not one of THOSE swifties." Taylor can be critiqued, and she should be. While I love her, I'm not blinded by it, and not obsessed with her either, those people are downright creepy. I just think she has a great personality and music to match. I do wish I could just like Taylor in peace, without being made fun of, but hey, there is so much more serious things going on in the world for me to get that affected by some teasing. I don't care whether someone dislikes Taylor, in fact, shes not for everybody and thats fair.
@Mtv20O1
@Mtv20O1 16 күн бұрын
Honestly this is a big reason I disconnected myself from her fandom and stan culture. Unfortunately she is probably one of the most hated celebs and you can’t just like her because people will assume you’re a type of way. I love her music but I don’t care about her personal life nor do I care if you don’t like her music. I do think she has some great qualities (her songwriting is strong) but if you don’t vibe with her I don’t care. It sucks because I just want to listen to her without people criticizing me for listening to her. You get attacked if you hate her but you also get attacked if you like her, it’s an endless cycle.
@sensorymode6261
@sensorymode6261 9 күн бұрын
I feel like the"victim" thing comes from how lyrics are written in general. In music as a whole, most songs are either written about partying or about feeling sad or angry. Songs that are like "I'm doing so great, guys!" are usually incredibly cheesy, and a whole album of that would probably be horrible to listen to. Think ME! by Taylor Swift and Brendon Urie. It's not impossible to make happy songs that aren't tacky, it's just really difficult. No Choir by Florence and the Machine is my favorite example of a really beautiful song written about something positive. Like, yeah, Taylor is probably doing pretty well emotionally at this point, I'd imagine, with all the resources she has at her disposal. Still, in order to write songs, she has to pick through her moments of sadness and anger and use those as inspiration. It's so weird cause like, yes, she's a person who feels things, but she's also so incredibly privileged at this point. She has to be relatable to make music that people will like, but her lifestyle is just so far away from anything that regular people experience.
@rikareader9315
@rikareader9315 15 күн бұрын
I've been a TS fan since I was about 8 years old (never much of stan though since I'm not about that). I like the album, there's a few songs I especially connect with, but I agree that it lacks editing and feels a bit same-y. To be honest, I haven't listened to it a ton since it came out because I've been in a depressive slump and it's a sad album that's been bringing me down. So that's where I'm at, lol! I've been trying to stay out of the discourse as much as possible because a lot of people on both sides are just doing too much. Thanks for the video!
@ariiizma
@ariiizma 15 күн бұрын
I am a diehard Swiftie and I loved this new album, but it is highly concerning to me that majority of Swifties cannot handle a criticism. I am genuinely concerned by how cultish this all feels. I had a full debate about the "1830s minus the racism" with my Swiftie best friend - she knows how hard of a fan I've been since FOREVER (last year I was her top 0.0000005% on Spotify. To give context.) and she knows me, and yet she nearly took out her swords and daggers because I said "I understand why people criticise this line and it is very valid criticism". We are all capable of rational thought and this is one of the best parts of being a human, when it comes to the Swiftie fandom these days it's almost as if they want you to just shut off your brain to original critical thought unless it is to decode Easter eggs and enjoy whatever she puts out. I really hope this will change, because it's sad to see a fandom I've been a part of since 2008 turn into this cult-like movement when you can be crucified out any minute... Great video!
@kianna270
@kianna270 16 күн бұрын
The US government is suing Ticketmaster so hopefully something is happening soon with the ticket dilemmas
@randomtinypotatocried
@randomtinypotatocried 15 күн бұрын
I hope that goes well since it's been a major toss up with all the cases lately with the US government
@kianna270
@kianna270 14 күн бұрын
@@randomtinypotatocried I hope they took their time, I mean honestly they have decades of material to work with. Going all the way back to when Pearl Jam was boycotting Ticketmaster in the 90s for being a monopoly, we’ve been known this and the government even tried to stop the merge of ticket master and live nation, due to fears of monopoly and they still let it go through! I have no idea why!? But probably bc they benefitted off of it in some way. They need to fix things. Other nations have been able to work out laws and regulations, such as tickets not being able to be sold for more than they were bought for. And the concert tickets in those places are also a lot more reasonable. Just looking at Europe tickets for the eras tour, the highest ticket cost is what nosebleeds in America cost. I looked at UK eras tickets and the highest price I saw was like 1.5k. The cheapest ticket to go to her show in Miami because of scalpers, is 1.7k…. It’s ridiculous. The least they could do is make regulations about how much tickets can be resold for…
@kelsynicole9135
@kelsynicole9135 16 күн бұрын
Amazing video as always Kayla! I would love to see you roast our pop culture takes for your 100k special, love me a good roast! ❤😂
@goodforyoursoul133
@goodforyoursoul133 16 күн бұрын
I would love to see you react to or rank audience submitted pop culture takes!
@themaddiecommittee
@themaddiecommittee 16 күн бұрын
I like the album and love Taylor. Idc if someone else likes it or not because they don't have to. It doesn't stop me from enjoying it.
@annaphallactic
@annaphallactic 16 күн бұрын
TTPD isn't an album, it's content. I'm very much an old person who listens to whole albums start to finish with no skips, and the only way I can tolerate it (pun fully intended) is if I play it on shuffle. I might even give my vinyl copy to my niece because it's useless to me. I remember seeing a criticism of Midnights that she had eroded the very idea of what an album is, and she's definitely followed through to the logical endpoint of that with TTPD. It's such a huge creative setback for her.
@cchase1282
@cchase1282 14 күн бұрын
"triggered by for lack of a better word" ...outraged? angered? offended? upset? 😭
@2FRESH-4U
@2FRESH-4U 14 күн бұрын
Irritated
@alisonschwab7842
@alisonschwab7842 14 күн бұрын
Thank you for making this video. I'm feeling absolutely Exhausted by the discourse online, and it makes me even happier that I deleted Twitter off my phone prior to the release. There are multiple valid critiques of this album, and there are bad faith criticisms, and the fans are absolutely unhinged and they ARE affecting her art/its criticism or lack thereof. The snake is eating its own tail. No one should be immune to constructive criticism, and I doubt she'll stay stagnant creatively.
@00MissDani00
@00MissDani00 16 күн бұрын
I like some of her music, and I think she’s a great performer and businesswoman. However, she’s now a billionaire. There is NOTHING tortured about her.
@automnejoy5308
@automnejoy5308 15 күн бұрын
It's not all about money. There are significant downsides to the level of fame she has. Go listen to the song "The Prophecy."
@vvitch-mist20
@vvitch-mist20 15 күн бұрын
I've been a hater of her from day one. She's not bad, but she's very mid, and it's very confusing that she's as popular as she is when more pop artists probably deserve like 10% of the level of attention Swift has. Her music is mid. Her lyrics are mid. They've always been mid, and will never be anything else. This isn't a bad thing, but I feel 100% lied to by the fans lol.
@jackcasey8606
@jackcasey8606 16 күн бұрын
Hi kayla I'm big fan of your content and since you brought up the melanie fandom here I wanted to ask do you think you would ever speak about melanie martinez again or would you say she is off the board for the long term
@07Potterhead
@07Potterhead 15 күн бұрын
I subscribed! AM video please!!! That album came out when I was 14 so as you can imagine I was IN THE TRENCHES
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