Wow! That was close! I knew it would be.

@@TheDungeonDive I know you said the numbers "doesn't mean anything", but I think you could do a 1-5 instead of 1-3. That way, you could kind of show how far each game is to each other. Like the points where DUN and LoD were miles apart from DC, that could give points like 1 to DC and 4 and 5 to the other two. I know 2nd place is in the middle, but extending the points this way, you could have the middle one kind of leaning one towards one or the other, or right in the middle with 1 - 3 - 5. Hope that is understandable! Love this video, very good for people to ask "what do I like to play" "what do I prefer" fantastic. I think my choice of LoD is good, but the FOMO in me really want all, haha!

There are no places. That was the whole point of the video if that wasn’t clear. Each of these games is awesome and we should consider ourselves lucky to be living during this golden age of gaming.

how about with the League of Dungeoneers.2nd printing?

Hopefully we see an in the box solution for random quests and dungeon exploration!

Awesome. I love Dungeon Universalis. My main request would be a simplified Automated Dark Player. There are way to many rules to remember for the ADP right now and on top of that the AI system for monster targeting is very tough to manage. Improve the AI rules and I think you'll have an amazing solo system on your hands. Otherwise, it's basically a game I only pull out if I don't feel like running an actual RPG, but still feel like playing the dungeon master role.

Sadly I backed at 1 euro but the game is just way to expensive for me to get where I want it to be. $250 CAD 😢

​​@@MrCrimsonMaskIts very much worth the money, even more so if a random map generator is included in the new edition. I do sympathize with high Canadian shipping costs though.

Please release a space version mixing xenos psych Mecha robots and take my money 💰

Hello Mel and good morning to you! :-) it's really nice to see you pop up here. I haven't chatted with you in a while so I hope you're doing good and enjoying any games you're playing. There are a few things I want to thank you for, Mel. I want to thank you for mentioning the patrol route system in Dungeon Crusade. That's something I put a lot of thought into and creativity. Like I've said many times, ever since I was young, I wanted a living dungeon where monsters and creatures would have this type of invisible AI where the player would not know where they will move next. And the patrol route system does this perfectly. So thank you for mentioning that. I also want to thank you, Mel, for your friendship, excitement for the game, and for your support over the years. You are one of the original Crusaders, as I call it, and I will always be eternally grateful to you. I would love to meet you one day and play a game with you and get some pizza! Lastly, do keep in mind I'm working on two new modes for the game. The 1 is quite a creative dungeon random generator mode, and the other one is called Quest Challenges. This is going to be a mode where the games are anywhere from 45 minutes but no longer than 2 hours. I know a lot of people are looking forward to this. As we wrap up the reprint, this is where my time will be to finish these up. I hope you have a great Tuesday, Mel; I'm trying to get back to all the nice comments here. Talk to you soon. ..Rodger:-)

My pleasure!

Happy to help!

Yeah - for that point I was talking about what's included in the box only; printing out cards is a real PITA for me. It really needs an official one included in the box, and I think it's sorely missing. Your play-through videos were great! Well done!

I think your point at 2:00 is what puts me off these games - the game that combines the old school thrill of dungeon crawling but throws out all the "accepted knowledge" will be the one to rule them all yo would imagine?

Agree on both points. In addition, the point about discounting the website (it is not an App) is rather arbitrary as is the final category.

An app and a website are the same thing. Lol. It’s technology that ruins the old school vibe.

Agree with Daniel 100%. I sold my copy, one of the main reasons being backers were promised a random dungeon system but never got it. An app behind a paywall doesn’t count.

Really hard to beat the look of DC.

Hello there Julius, and good evening to you. 🙂 Great to hear from you here! I said this in our group to you, Daniel did an outstanding job in going over each of the games. I really enjoyed everything he had to say about them. And thank you Julius for EVERYTHING you have done for me, the game, and the community. You're truly one of a kind and a great friend to me. I'm glad we met on the Crusade! I hope that you have a great night, Julius;, if you ever need anything, please let me know. Talk to you soon. 🙂

You can’t prove anything!

Yeah! Go for it.

Yes indeed, Heide! Cheers

Thanks, Tom.

I have not yet. Just haven't had the time to get this re-learned and back to the table.

Thank you! That dice rolling took many years of practice.

I have played DUN solo, and for me it is fabulous that way. There is an app that makes this very easy and with minimal play time disruption. Whilst I too am looking forward to LoD, I doubt it will replace DUN at the very top of my favourites list. There is a depth to DUN in terms of it’s roleplaying and campaign systems that LoD approaches, but does not surpass, IMHO.

@@williamegan6756 I haven’t played DUN myself, but from watching videos it seems like there is a lot to manage when playing it solo. Is it less overwhelming than it looks?

@@justinrastin8802 Hmm, good question! I’d say if you’ve played old school RPGs like D&D or Pathfinder , then no, not overwhelming at all. Like those systems (and like LoD), there are options to simplify the rules and do away with aspects that slow the game down (ex. encumbrance, or variable terrain and condition modifiers in combat). The monster cards do a great job of helping keep track of the vast bestiary. But the game is still going to be more complex than something like Descent. The thing is, the more you grow accustomed to the system, the less complex it ultimately feels. But that can take time. 😊

@@williamegan6756 Thanks for the response!

Totally! We have so many amazing options these days. But also, the new WHQ games rule! Silver Tower is in the Dungeon Dive masterclass series. One my favorite games of all time. BSF is great as well.

Hope you get some good info.

@@TheDungeonDive absolutely. Very informative the decision making is hard. If these are my top three requirements in order which one would you recommend? 1. Solo Play 2. Overland Adventure 3. Easy (comparatively) to learn Things that are less important to me Time, space, storage, minis

@@shrekage Just get all three of them:)

@@robertglass4197 ha ha and keep them in shelf with rest 100 of them 🤪

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it.

You get it! :)

Hello there Paul, and good evening. :) I hope you're doing good, and it's great to see you pop up here! Thank you for your kind words about Dungeon Crusade. LOL, I think you know the game better than me. But it was a real honor to have Dungeon Crusade right alongside these other two epic and awesome games. Daniel did a fantastic job on this video. I hope you have a great Wednesday, Paul, and as always, thank you for your amazing friendship, excitement for the game, and support. I will always be eternally grateful to you and everyone else. Talk to you soon. . Rodger :)

Hello Geek Gamers, and good evening to you. :-) I hope you're doing good and having an excellent weekend. This is Rodger, the creator of Dungeon Crusade and the Avalon Adventure board game. I wanted to let you know I would be very happy to send you a copy of the Avalon Adventure board game and Dungeon Crusade for you to check out if you like. I truly stepped out to break the mold of the fantasy adventure/RPG/dungeon crawl genre to give people something creative, innovative, something I was passionate about, and in a new direction. There were many revisions to the game, tweaks, and a brand new revised rule book that is getting excellent reviews. Feel free to email me, and we'll work out the details. I've checked out your channel over the years, and you provide some great content. I wish you the best with it! :-) Have a great evening, stay safe and happy gaming. Talk to you soon... Rodger 🙂

@@GroovusGamesUnlimitedThanks for the generous offer and I’m glad you enjoy my channel. I will take a pass on receiving your game, but I wish you all the best with it.

@@GeekGamers01 Hello there, geek gamers, and good evening to you. :) I hope that you had an excellent Monday. And no problem at all. If you ever change your mind, the offer still stands. I wish you the very best with your channel and thank you for everything you do in our board game community. Have a good night, stay safe and happy gaming; talk to you soon...Rodger :)

It's just too complex for my simple mind to handle on its own!

That’s totally fair. I just prefer random quests / dungeons over ore-made and written ones.

Thank you. Glad you found it useful.

Death to plastic! ;)

@@TheDungeonDive,huzzah!👿👿

I like apps in games, but not in my old school games. With old school games, I don’t want technology. There are a ton of topics I could have discussed. I couldn’t possible cover everything!

Just mentioning the 2 hr set up times… Not apps specifically. I was just saying that Dungeon Crusade is an absolute BEAST just to set up…my thought was in the this case an app would eliminate the need for most of the tokens, Storage issues, and most of all the hours it takes to get the game in playing order each time you want to play it... 😅

I really like the tokens in DC because they make it really easy to make my own quests! That would be hard to implement in a simple app. But I may be in the minority on this. :)

I remember you mentioning that when you played D&D …that you never really played it, you just made characters… it could be like that, you just spend hours setting up Dungeons and that’s how you play…😂

Everything is play.

It was fun. :)

I wish I could say that was on purpose...

I will not. It was too expensive and too much plastic.

Can't go wrong with any of the three, really.

@The Dungeon Dive For sure. They all look good. But, I'm more looking for something that has a strong dungeon randomization engine and something more traditional and simple in its setting. LoD looks like the perfect mix.

That’s great! Always good when games are released in other languages. I don’t mind technology in my games, but when it comes to old school style games I want all paper / cardboard.

Oh yeah. DUN is a super strong solo game for most people. It’s just not for me.

Hello William, and good evening to you. :-) This is Rodger, and I hope you're doing good. I wanted to jump in here and say HI! and let you know a few things. First and foremost, William, I want to thank you for your friendship, excitement for the game, and support of the Avalon Adventure board game and Dungeon Crusade. I'm sincerely grateful to you and everyone else. Also, there's so much to say about Dungeon Crusade! I wanted to point a few things out and let you know some information on the game and some things to look forward to. When you combine the Avalon Adventure board game and Dungeon Crusade, it is truly a very creative, grandiose, and innovative experience that goes in a new direction. That is what I set out to do. Give people & fellow gamers something new to enjoy and experience. In a nutshell, your Heroes are going to be tasked with completing quests on three different Quest tables. Quest tables 1 and 2 are exploring the dungeon and everything it has to offer. And there is a lot it has to offer. When your Heroes go to Quest table 3, I always think of it like a showdown with your Heroes and the Guardians of the dungeon. The Guardians are like the bosses of the dungeon. Like the heroes, the Guardians can level up and obtain level 4, making them incredibly deadly. So if you picture it, Quest table 1 and 2 has your Heroes exploring the dungeon, going into chambers, combating the champions within, finding Quest items, smashing open crates they find, mining and crafting power gems, discovering secret rooms, and so much more. The end game, Quest table 3, has your hero squaring off against these high-level guardians. To me, that's like the climax of the game. Hopefully, I explained that well enough. Lastly, I'm not sure if you ever saw this video, but at your convenience, check out this introduction and overview of the Avalon Adventure board game and Dungeon Crusade. I think this video will get you quite acclimated to the game and show you everything I'm talking about. But of course, if you ever need help, I'm always here for everyone; just let me know. I hope you have a fantastic Tuesday, William, and thank you again. Talk to you soon... Rodger :-) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r5aVZ7VlnJ7Jl5s.html

@@GroovusGamesUnlimited Thanks very much for the detailed and informative repose, Rodger! I am still eagerly anticipating my copy, and look forward to seeing how the Avalon Adventure and Dungeon Crusade games interact to give one that truly epic experience. The Guardians as bosses at the climax of the adventure are cool, and I hope will make for great endgame battles where my heroes will triumph after great struggle, and feel awesome at their success. I guess what’s important for me is that I get that sense of it feeling like a great story, with a beginning, middle and end despite not having an overarching‘narrative’, if you know what I mean. I differ somewhat from Daniel in the sense that I like having a little more structure to what happens (it’s also why I really like Folklore the Affliction, for example, and am kind of ‘meh’ on Shadows of Brimstone). In any case, I want to congratulate you on creating Dungeon Crusade - it’s passionate developers like yourself that keep our hobby growing in new and rich directions! All the best.

It works well. Just too much to keep track of for me as a solo player.

I didn’t total anything up. Numbers were just for fun. :)

I had the same question. I thought that a 1 would equate to 3 points, a 2 would equate to 2 points, and a 3 would equate to 1 point. Add each game's score and we'd get a comparison of the totals. I feel kind of let down by the video.

Sorry to provide you with free entertainment. The whole point of the video was to show that all three games are awesome and there are no losers, only winners, and the winners are the players who get to play these great games. If you're worried about the points it was: League of Dungeoneers. 25 Dungeon crusade. 24 Dungeon Universalis. 23 There. Now you have a winner and a loser. Happy?

@@TheDungeonDive I am happy actually. The video was slightly misleading. Don’t take it personal.

Folklore is completely different. It has more narrative campaigns and doesn’t have random dungeon crawling.

It's the one thing in life I'm good at.

It's the one included in the kickstarter.

@@TheDungeonDive, Ohh..., well that's something to look forward to,...I suppose... Thank you for this clarification, Daniel. Cheers

I doubt that. Not really the focus of the game. I think that's what makes it really stand out in the sea of modern story-based narrative games. Its more in line with what I like - a game where I get to be in control of the story and make it up myself.

@@TheDungeonDive Gotcha. Thanks for the insight!

Very interesting! I did not like Road to Legend at all. Totally fell flat for our group. I did not like the competitive nature of the game at all. We just ended up using the cardboard for games of D&D. :)

lol nice! Yeah the game is REAL cut throat and thats for sure not for everyone. But if thats taken aside, the game is a campaign sandbox, with overworld travel, semi randomized dungeons, a clear end game objective, a great character progression system, and plenty of loot. These are essentially the notes i look for in a replacement and so far most games are missing at least 1 part. For example, I can already see LoD is missing the 'clear end game objective' DUN to me had minimal character progression, not the greatest loot, and no randomized dungeons. Ive been looking for a coop/solo replacement for almost 15 years and still cant find one. LOL. A professionally made solo/coop ruleset, or at least a real good one would make RtL the best Sandbox crawl for me. It has all the piece just not the rules.

For me, Dungeon Universalis is Road to Legend done right. It's very similar, but the overlord player can play competitively, or more like a traditional GM where they just facilitate the fun. I can't think of a board game with better character creation and progression than DUN. For me there are so many better replacements for Road to Legend. Maybe your nostalgia for the feelings of that time are too strong? Hopefully something comes along soon that you like! We are living in the golden age of adventure and dungeon crawl board games!

...so would you say that buying and playing DUN for solo will give me insight into getting more out of the solo play available in my underutilized complete Descent 1st Ed. set...or could you identify those insights gleaned from "...the solo DM rules helped me think of a good way to solo Descent 1st Ed)." Any help would be appreciated. Cheers.

@@TheDungeonDive, so "...replacements for Road to Legend". What might they be if it's not too big a question and unrelated to your video. I was just saying to B DouubleDs that I've been dreaming of finally playing my complete Descent 1st Edition (disregarding the fact that i haven't done so much already) and hearing that DUN might help or even that there may be other alternatives intrigues me. Cheers

Too much to type. Maybe I’ll make another video in the future. I would rate thusly: DUN, LOD, DC.

I prefer simple combat that I don't have to think about so 1. DC, 2. LOD, 3. DUN. I'm not good at games, so I don't love really tactical combat.

Makes sense, we all look for different things in games. Thanks for the answer :) I am playing Advanced Heroquest lately and I gotta say the combat is pretty cool and simple!

Great game. Very different than these three.

@The Dungeon Dive Absolutely different. But it's where I get my party-based, overworld and dungeon crawling adventure game fix these days.

I’ve got videos of all. Probably best to watch and apply the information. I wasn’t thinking of SoB in comparison.

All of my thoughts on the subject of these games are in my videos. I have very detailed playlists for each of these with hours of material.

@@TheDungeonDiveYes, I have watched many of them...although not so much of DUN which I have seen plenty of elsewhere but the game still resides in a kind of nebulous in-between place for me. I must say you do an impressive job of responding to the wall of posts from viewers which is what got be thinking about DUN again after reading B DoubleDs observation "...the solo DM rules helped me think of a good way to solo Descent 1st Ed)." and your response "For me there are so many better replacements for Road to Legend" with regard to BDD's experience of improving Descent gameplay having studied DUN's solo DM rules...we'll see, in the end I am just not an app guy especially if subscriptions are involved. Thank you for your response. Daniel. Have a good weekend. Cheers.

Scores are meaningless. And I probably would have made a mistake in adding, and then everyone would have complained. But people complained either way. LOL! KZfaq - the place for complaining!

I had a list of over 40 potential topics. I didn't want the video to be 3 hours long, so I narrowed it down to 12. I talk in great length about the table space needed for DC in my hours of coverage on that game!

@@TheDungeonDive The main reason for me realising DC would never see the light of day for me was watching your videos! 😉

Yeah - it can be unfortunate. That is a nice thing about DUN. It gives an epic experience, but isn't a total table hog (most of the time).

It needs an app to keep the mystery of exploring when playing solo / co-op. I’d rather it used cards for that and for generating random quests. I’d play the game a lot more if it has an official cardboard solution in the box for random quests and exploration. That’s something I think the game is missing. But remember, that’s just my dumb opinion. Everyone will also have their own dumb opinions. :)

@@TheDungeonDive don't forget DUN is all about the campaign, so the Dungeons are preconstructed as part of the campaign. There are guidelines in the main rulebook for creating random dungeons. I'm sure the designers would be interested in anyone who can design a workable dungeon generator using cards or a chart you roll dice to generate.

Oh yeah! It's just for me, DUN excels as a 1 vs many game. It feels like that was the focus of the original design, and I think it shows. But again, that's only for me. Other people will obviously feel different. And as I said, it's just an amazing thing that all three of these awesome games are available at the same time. We truly are lucky, and no one can go wrong with any of them.

Absolutely! Gloomhaven not even in the same league as these three. 😄

@@williamegan6756 as in not as good as these three or in God Level Tier and untouchable 🤣🤣

@@Mark-nh2hs Hehe, take your pick! 😎 I’m not a huge fan of Gloomhaven, although I appreciate what it’s done for the Dungeon Crawling genre.

@@williamegan6756 hahaha fair enough they are big scrolling games but Gloomhaven I'd say is the Daddy of starting off all these Kickstarter big RPG enormous epic boxed Dungeon Crawler games 🤣🤣

Nope. GH is more of a Euro-puzzle game, with a fantasy theme. A dungeon crawl for people who don't typically enjoy dungeon crawls like these.