Web DM this video is slander there is NO such thing as too much treasure.

I would love to hear more. Was it a 2 v 2 fight after the second player with the ring settled into the effects. Or was it much, much more interesting?

Paul Fischer I like to think it was more interesting than a mere fight. The characters were: a female fire mage who was basically good and definitely the smartest party member yet unfortunately rarely heeded; a catfolk ninja/ronin samurai who rode a giant chameleon and would have said he was good but was clearly your average murder hobo; Human Fighter #23681, who was just there to kick in the door and didn't care who he had to kill to loot the room; and the Obitu (a sort of living skeleton) Warlock worshipper of The Death Goddess who was entirely incompetent yet the most evil of the bunch. Their first adventure together was trekking through the desert to find an ancient fortress buried in the sand where they had heard there was a grand treasure lost there ages ago. They got lost of course but the mage had a ring of sustenance so she was fine and the warlock had barely half the requirements for food and water the others did so his meager supply of rations was good. However the ninja and the fighter were SOL about two weeks into the trip and began to slowly start starving and dehydrating to death. Before that happened, however, they reached the crypt/fort and discovered it was at the edge of a great cliff. Instead of climbing down they searched for another way in so basically entered the dungeon from the end and would be moving to the start. I run games pretty sandboxy so whatever... but this did mean they ran into the blue dragon almost immediately. This was when they found the rings, one near the beginning and the other near the end. So they were chased by the dragon through the tomb and only clever use of an illusory wall and rapid lockpicking saved their lives, and they managed to get out of there with bags and bags of gold. Like in the double-digit thousands of gp. And they are level 5 or something, so this is a huge windfall. So there they are, injured and collapsing over each other from starvation, dragging two litters stacked high with bags of gold. So first the ninja collapses, literally too weak to go on. So the group beseeches the warlock to eat his chicken. A bit of backstory here: the warlock had purchased a chicken in town and decided that it was the only connection he had to "the living", so it became very important to him. Because his party was clearly not enough to anchor him to the mortal coil. Anyway, with the group literally dying at his feet, he made the most difficult choice of his unlife.... he told them to die and leave his chicken alone. So they had to dump several thousand gold in the sand to put the ninja on the litter so they could drag him back to town. A few days later and the fighter's Con finally gives out, so the rest of the gold is dropped in the desert so they can pull him now. By the time they get back to town, seriously, these characters were almost dead and in all my years of gaming, I have never seen anybody die from the elements or starvation. The cost of getting them back on their feet more than eats up what small amount of gold they managed to save. Before they can lynch the warlock, however, they start to notice how weird everyone in town is acting. I can't remember the exact series of events, but basically they realize the mayor either is replaced by or just is a vampire and they decide to step in and destroy him. Despte the warlock using his summoning power to continually drop horses on the vampire (in what is generally agreed to be the silliest and dumbest possible misuse of his power yet), he proves to be too strong for them and they flee for their lives. During all of this, the catman has picked up another ring and, again, put it on immediately without having the mage check it. So while they are camping in the woods (more like squatting as they have no gear at this point since it's all back in town) he is compelled to attack them! Despite nearly killing both the fire mage and the warlock, he is eventually subdued and they decide that it must be the ring forcing him to attack. They find they can't remove either of his rings because they are cursed, of course, so the only option left is cutting off his finger. Unfortunately they can't remember which of his rings was which (they happened to both be very plain) but they chance that they can reason it out and sever one of his fingers. After that, just to be on the safe side, they cut off the other finger as well. So this ninja who is specced as a dual wielder suddenly finds himself with penalties to attack, but he thanks them for freeing him from the curses... ... because he is actually Dominated by the vampire which extends over any distance, and he doesn't want anybody to know. Which, let me tell you, was almost as much fun to sit and watch knowing all this as the ring thing in the first place. Anyway his new orders are to act helpful until a proper time to screw the party over arises. So they make an elaborate plan (which the vampire gets to overhear thanks to Dominate ^_^ ) and rush back to town after a night of healing up, determined to see things through. Almost immediately the vampire and the ninja throw a monkey wrench into the works. See they were going to stop the execution of a Cleric PC who was an on again-off again member of the party and had been captured, but that was just a ploy to draw them out of course. The Cleric was locked in a cage so when they tried to free him, the ninja attacks the fighter (because I'm not a monster and wouldn't kill the warlock or wizard like that.... right away) and right away it's a very epic battle because he's a very good ninja but the fighter is armored and... well... a fighter. While they go at it like The Matrix, the warlock creates a little magic house and locks himself inside of it (you can imagine how happy the party was he kept himself safe...). This leaves the fire mage as the only PC left to face the vampire. Now up until this point the fact she was a fire mage was mostly just fluff and background; she wore red robes with flame motif and her magic missiles were little sparks of flame and so on. However, now that it was on, she stopped being utility and went all-out fire power (pun intended). The mayor turned into his true form as a giant bat monster (think Gary Oldman from Dracula) and was slinging spells as he flew while she threw fire all over in mid-air as well like The Human Torch. After she hit him with a fairly impressive fireball, he tackles her to make sure that doesn't happen again and starts to drain her life... which, as you can imagine, won't take long to suck the Con out of a Wizard. In desperation she hits herself with a fireball (her robes actually provided SOME protection, but it was still ballsy) so he releases her and flies (while on fire) through the huge stained glass window of the church to Pelor. Instead of regrouping and whatnot, she just hurls her last fireball inside and the whole thing explodes, destroying the church and killing the vampire. Thankfully this releases the ninja because he and the fighter were nearly dead by now, and there was much rejoicing. In the aftermath, the mage realizes that her spellbook was destroyed by her own fireball, the catsamurai finds his lockpicks were destroyed as well, and the townsfolk hail the PCs as saviors of their town. With no major figures left, they are asked to lead and this dungeon crawling adventure suddenly turns into kingdom building. Which everyone seems very excited for and I was totally interested in running, so we decided to do it! But how the gods destroyed the town in a series of plagues due to the actions of one man is a tale for another time...

Nice, thanks Xel...

Paul Fischer Any time, Paul.

THAT IS TOTALLY AWESOME. May I use that idea?

Now that's how to deal with stuff like that. He kept rolling with his mistake and RP/hilarity ensues. Sounds like you run a good game.

Well, thanks. I certainly hope he had as much fun as I did. Have you played/DMed D&D 5e? I'm getting ready to run my first game of it, soon. Looking forward to what looks like a good edition.

Palpy the Emperor of Elevator Shafts Haven't played 5e, what with settling into the d20 vibe and going from 3/3.5 to Pathfinder, but all the best to ya and have fun.

As they say: You cant escape death and taxes

I beg to differ. If I ended up with more gold than I could spend, I would invest that money where ever I could. (Starting with a merc company to protect those interest. ) And if those kingdom's, temples, and guilds eyeball your money, you play them against eachother.

And this is why you randomly bribe people in every organization.

@@williamwontiam3166 Or follow the Rothschild example, and loan it all out to nations - becoming "the geese that lay platinum eggs", while at the same time avoiding all of those hooks and crooks. (I was annoyed that the next 3 adventures I had planned got side-stepped, but DAYUM, that was clever.)

Excellent point. Sounds like a pretty fun campaign. The leveling part reminds me of Morrowind vs. other Elder Scrolls sequels. Restraint is only present if you allow it to be; creativity can liberate any circumstance.

I'm a newbie DM and I get a thrill out of giving my players items they actually want so I can beef up my monsters and have more epic encounters. My current DM is the opposite, he's very guarded about giving his players items so they don't become OP. We've butt heads a few times, but we still play together. It's interesting to see the different philosophies that DMS have. Personally, I like your way of thinking more.

Dominic Wenger I was thinking the same thing....it was helpful...I was just hoping for more.

I think they skipped most of those issues because that's up to the group dynamic and story - there might never be a "staple" set of items per level per class, because there's no "staple" DnD campaign or story. Saying that the party SHOULD have a Bag of Holding at 8th level might work in some games but capsize others. It would have been nice to know what their item dynamic looks like, but it's hazardous to tell factual examples of play online, as that might be construed as solid opinion by many.

I might be able to help when it comes to the question fo how much. I made a custom DM screen and boiled down the treasure roll tables in the DMG to a simple table of expected average gold per monster by CR. (Keep in mind that these are averages and the amount should vary a lot monster by monster) It's just a guidline, but it makes it much easier to inprovise loot on the fly without the fear of unbalancing the game. homebrewery.naturalcrit.com/print/Sy-UMr_Xq-?dialog=true CR ---- Average Loot 0-4 3gp 5-10 65gp 11-16 950gp 17+ 8500gp

Trust me if there were no banks, my players will be the first to establish one. If the dragon hoard is to big to carry, you establish the bank right there. Ideally if you make large purchases, you could write checks that are redeemable at your bank. And with any luck, those checks become banknotes. (The beginning of paper money.)

Yeah, that's one of the things that fantasy RPGs often overlook: not all gold coins are created equal, or will just be casually accepted by anyone.

But it's a dragon's horde, the dragon usually will only collect the best of treasure so they'd probably quite heavy on the gold content And even if they aren't work much as antiques You've got a fuck ton of gold to melt down and sell

I think there are ways around this issue. It could be a sentient item that only attunes to a particular person. And I might just fiat that only said person noticed said item. (Regardless of their search role.) Though if you have a player who's going full munchkin and hoarding items they arnt even proficient with, that's probably best handled out of game.

craftmineSB XD

i made a character who is a reverse trap trap (genetically female with male parts that looks effeminate)

the shadbelt

@@basilharpham9372 my brain is still trying to unravel this yarn ball of trapdom.

To be honest, that sounds like the kind of item that you *don't* go about balancing it. The trick then is just to make sure that everyone else has something equally dumb. (Note: I say 'dumb' in the vein of 'so good it's dumb')

Have a villager who found it and went on a power trip become a villain and have the party as a way to get it.

yes according to the dmg pg38

While I’d like to make them all super specific(like swords of dragon slaying) and just give them the regular benefits of being a magic item.

Every table needs a player who will keep the game moving forward at the expense of their character's safety...

+GamerM1235 A possessed paladin would just be an atonement and a sidequest away from being restored as soon as the possession is over, as opposed to outright falling which is the paladin themself choosing to abandon their path.

Ah, so there is a difference. Cool, thank you.

One thing a lot of people forget is that a paladin can be forgiven and go back to paladin-ing, it goes with the whole being a good guy following the path of righteousness thing.

Right. Kind of how sometimes you need to do something evil if its for the greater good.

+GamerM1235 As you have no control of yuor actions you would indeed lose your paladin powers. But once you are no longer possessed you should regain your powers again. Unless as a lingering effect of being possessed your characters mannerisms, moral compass and so on was disturbed on a deeper, more permanent level.

While not familiar with 5e, 3/3.5/Pathfinder has just such a chart for "standard" progression games in the core or DM books. In terms of video time vs. content, it would be unnecessary.

5ed does not have the chart. Hence why im asking for a suggestion from Matt.

5e dmg pg. 38

+Everlet t it does its just hidden on a stupid page I linked it above

ah its tiny but good enough ty

I like to make custom magic items like lets say you stole a dagger from some bully wogs if it crits a enemy it turns it to a frog

on the other hand these comments are fantastic so at least you got people talking who had points