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Zelph On the Shelf

Zelph On the Shelf

2 ай бұрын

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@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf 2 ай бұрын
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@nadjabzhilyanskaya626
@nadjabzhilyanskaya626 2 ай бұрын
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@lizbates4531
@lizbates4531 2 ай бұрын
My contribution to the conversation: Unshame changing your mind! Not only is it vital for navigating your own and other people's consent, life is *so much less stressful* when you don't hold yourself to constancy. Give yourself space to change your mind, hold things lightly, and celebrate when new information directs you to shift.
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf 2 ай бұрын
Yessss 👏🏻💜
@Nelia2705
@Nelia2705 2 ай бұрын
This!
@DirtmopAZ
@DirtmopAZ 2 ай бұрын
It’s insane how much of the “bad” behaviors that came out in me as a teenager were due to repression and shame. I was fortunate enough to see a therapist early on who helped me unpack all of that. It didn’t magically go away, but through unshaming, going through a whole host of life experiences, using psychedelics, and just listening to the right people talk about it, I’ve come a long way. Very happy with who I am these days…and not because I’m comparing myself to some arbitrary measurement of where I need to be at this stage in life or how good of a boy I am.
@ChristopherSadlowski
@ChristopherSadlowski Ай бұрын
We love to see personal growth! I'm proud of you! ❤️
@taylornadauld7892
@taylornadauld7892 2 ай бұрын
I recently saw Tanner in public and I'm pretty sure my exact words were "ZeLpH oN tHe ShElF??"
@NornIron4U
@NornIron4U 2 ай бұрын
LUCKY!!!!! Also, that's so cool!
@ky4864
@ky4864 2 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for the video! Maybe this is an obvious point to everyone else, but this video really caused me to think about unshaming "laziness." As an American, I feel so much shame around productivity and worry that I'm wasting any days that I don't produce something quantifiable. The reminder that we're just mammals (not machines) was so useful. Also, loved the sweet cat in this video as a visual reminder.
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf 2 ай бұрын
YES 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@andrewcraig3113
@andrewcraig3113 2 ай бұрын
So good! Laziness is called leisureliness for those who are rich and can afford it!
@catie5939
@catie5939 2 ай бұрын
Laziness just doesn't exist imo. It's like how everyone who uses substances is actually self medicating for something. You don't just DO things for no reason, and that's wild to realize. It hasn't fully sunk in for me tbh.
@salyx
@salyx 2 ай бұрын
My parents have been in a monogamous relationship for 46 years and have never felt shame about being attracted to others. I think it was such a healthy environment for me to grow up in, and I rarely felt ashamed of my attractions (only when they turned out to be icky people, but that was mostly regret and not shame). I’m glad my parents didn’t try to snuff out how human they are.
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf 2 ай бұрын
YAY!
@cc-hk5ih
@cc-hk5ih 2 ай бұрын
I so agree. My parents almost made it to 63 years of marriage. They were in love and together right to the end. They worked on their relationship and it was such fun to hear them say that they were attracted to xyz. There was no shame in that nor were us their kids made feel ashamed of anything. We had freedom of thought and healthy debate around all issues. They worked hard on their marriage. But it wasn't a slog it was beautiful to watch and no it wasn't always a fairytale. But it was very much an equal partnership. Polyamoury polyamoury aren't always the ideal either. Today's polygamists while they may appeal to mans primal behaviour it ain't much fun for the women. The Morman version of shame definitely leaves a lasting impact I'm not Morman. But I do think going from one extreme to another and acting on our animal instincts may not be the answer and can lead to as much hurt and shame at times that the other extreme did. Cc. Ps Tanner didn't dear old Joseph Smith not only found the Morman religion on Polygamy with young girls etc but took other people's wives too . If I understand it correctly many have left the religion when they see that this revered figure was just a man who was pushing the boundaries and using God to blackmail and bully people to justify his own desires. Carry that on to the 21st century and we see the Warren Jeffs of our era doing the same. By all means release the shame that cults so effectively project onto members but in throwing off all the norms of society we should remain responsible for our actions and to be aware that people can be hurt as we break barriers and look for new ways to live life as best we can. One size doesn't fit all for sure we are a colourful diverse crew. Our views of society and family may differ but there is no denying that for some of us we have proof that we had good experiences of monogamy a loving family life and it can and does work but not without the people involved being equal being invested and not just giving up at the first hurdle.
@sarahthegreatest
@sarahthegreatest 2 ай бұрын
The participation of Banksy is gold
@OMGDONTCALLMEFAT
@OMGDONTCALLMEFAT Ай бұрын
I find so much peace in the fact that I'm just a mammal. I have never been religious, but learning and realizing that all living things are interconnected has been so eye-opening and has allowed me to examine my shame. I love that you're talking about this!
@Dahlily
@Dahlily Ай бұрын
Honestly, through adopting a dog and learning about how dogs work, dogs' needs etc., I'm also learning so much about myself! Its funny, when you give your dog oermission to have bad days, and realize she is exactly right and super loveable despite some "quirks" (i hesitate to even call them flaws or imperfections), it makes it a little easier to give myself the same grace.
@LauraOttawa
@LauraOttawa 2 ай бұрын
When you were talking about the manipulation of advertising it reminded me of when I was much younger I saw a commercial for women's shaving products. It showed a woman doing a yoga class. Her pant leg exposed her lower leg, she had some leg hair and she was immediately sooo embarrassed. It (sadly) taught me that I must avoid embarrassment by making sure my legs are shaved! Now I'm much older and wiser and I'll go out unshaven for a long walk 😊 the conditioning hasn't been completely undone but I learned that no one is actually checking other people's body hair! If they are, it's just because they have been conditioned themselves!
@maxreynardharper
@maxreynardharper 2 ай бұрын
Love the unshaming talk ❤ One layer deeper on unshaming and education: feeling shame for "dark desires" and feeling worried about your own behavior or recognizing how you may have hurt others, and unshaming yourself for having confusion over what is okay/consensual because you were never taught proper boundaries/ or were abused yourself. Most people who are abused do not go on to abuse others, but most perpetrators are also survivors and early intervention is REALLY EFFECTIVE! It's all about HARM REDUCTION! Which feels paradoxical! But actually IS the rational and empathetic answer. I relate so much to Tanner, thank you beautiful queens! ❣️
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for this comment, very well said and IMPORTANT! 💜💜
@LauraOttawa
@LauraOttawa 2 ай бұрын
I remember john dehlin said that shame just fuels addiction and that really stuck with me!
@400_billion_suns
@400_billion_suns 2 ай бұрын
Shame needing a coping mechanism, which causes more shame! 🤯 What an insightful observation.
@fuzzykiwi3
@fuzzykiwi3 2 ай бұрын
I'm monogamous and I love what you're saying about unshaming polyamory. I was at a church event once when I was 18 or 19, and there was a marriage class aimed at single women. I was taking notes and soaking up every word these young married women had to say. They opened the floor for questions at the end. I asked what I think is a really reasonable question, phrased in a very teenage way: "What do you do when you have a crush on someone else?" They looked at me like I was crazy. Their answer was "You don't. You guard your heart." That shit was so off to me. Beyond the shame, it was so unhelpful. I want a relationship where we can both acknowledge that other people exist and being together is a choice.
@VaiskiH
@VaiskiH 2 ай бұрын
Yes please a video on kink, and so glad to hear you describe yourselves as wholesome kinksters! It's taken a while to come to terms with, but I've finally defined my own kinkyness as "I want to tie men down... and be nice to them." So much of kink space feels kinda focused on fairly rough stuff, and I've debated whether I even have the right to call myself kinky without taking it to an extreme. But now I think that vanilla is a good base for some stronger flavours!
@annabellethomson813
@annabellethomson813 2 ай бұрын
"And who benefits from you turning off your creative faculties?" "DRAKE UGH!!" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@Moundfreek
@Moundfreek 2 ай бұрын
Apropos of nothing, we need an aggressive pickleball montage complete with animal sound effects
@Angela-kv2cf
@Angela-kv2cf 2 ай бұрын
As an afab person, I spent decades in a church that did not even acknowledge that I was just as much a sexual being as any amab person. It was extremely shame inducing, confusing and depressing to me and made me feel as though I was a freak to be more (I thought) interested in sex than my peers. It didn’t help that my spouse viewed assertive female sexuality as “inappropriate”, even in private.
@nyssalynn5216
@nyssalynn5216 2 ай бұрын
Relatable 🫂 afab exmo here
@pneuma_23-rb4dx
@pneuma_23-rb4dx 2 ай бұрын
the sexual shame from the church is so intense and deep. I can relate to this a lot.
@TeaAndCroissants
@TeaAndCroissants 2 ай бұрын
Same! I thought I was hypersexual or something because I felt attraction at all! Which ironically lead to the shame cycle of shoving it down until it manifested as bursts of uncontrollable desire/hypersexual urges. I'm so happy to have un-shamed enough for my sexual cycle to be regular and gentle, instead of swinging wildly between asexuality and nothing-but-sex on the mind. More than anything else I wish I'd been told it was normal to feel desire and attraction; that what I was experiencing was totally normal. Maybe then I wouldn't've spent an entire decade feeling like a danger to others.
@lisaw8619
@lisaw8619 2 ай бұрын
I loved the deck of cards metaphor. I've been realizing lately, in a refreshing way, that I've mistakenly assumed that people generally feel the same way I do. I always knew we all had superficial differences, like political opinions, etc, but I thought that deep down we had some shared reality, but this isn't necessarily true, at least not how I thought.
@elisewilkinson2803
@elisewilkinson2803 2 ай бұрын
Unlearning shame is by far the biggest hurdle I’ve faced in deconstructing after leaving Mormonism. Many of the truth claims just feel illogical once you get out of the bubble, but for me the shame feels nearly impossible to untangle. I frequently feel completely paralyzed by it, unable to even leave bed. It seems to be the very air I breathe. It’s suffocating.
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf 2 ай бұрын
💜💜💜💜💜
@heybev41360
@heybev41360 2 ай бұрын
Shaming people is a form of manipulation. You are human, and there's no shame in that. ❤
@Laura-rd6yg
@Laura-rd6yg 2 ай бұрын
Commenting before I watch to let Sam know her curtain bangs look ah-mazing!❤
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf 2 ай бұрын
Ahhhh 💖💖💕
@Trash-Garbage-Trash
@Trash-Garbage-Trash 2 ай бұрын
Thank you! Shame is such a powerful tool religious groups use to control people and it sucks. Unlearning it is so hard and so important.
@katie17330
@katie17330 2 ай бұрын
11:00 This is a core feature of Intuitive Eating - separating shame and morality from eating and food. Unlearning shame is important in so many aspects of life.
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf 2 ай бұрын
YES. LOVE INTUITIVE EATING.
@nyssalynn5216
@nyssalynn5216 2 ай бұрын
Intuitive eating has helped me with breaking away the ideas of what my diet *should* be, which is where my ED festers. It shows me what my body itself desires
@katie17330
@katie17330 2 ай бұрын
@@nyssalynn5216 Fighting an ED takes so much invisible work. Wishing you the best wherever you are in your recovery!
@katie17330
@katie17330 2 ай бұрын
@@ZelphOntheShelf It's the best!!
@nyssalynn5216
@nyssalynn5216 2 ай бұрын
@katie17330 Thank you! I recently have acquired muscles and a bit of a tummy so I'm very excited for what the future holds(unshame having a tummy! 💛)
@Maryfs1
@Maryfs1 2 ай бұрын
Unshaming sexual kinks was a huge step in dealing with my mental illnesses. I'm not healed yet, but I'm better than I have been for almost 15 years.
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf 2 ай бұрын
🥳🥳🥳
@Maryfs1
@Maryfs1 2 ай бұрын
​@@ZelphOntheShelf Thanks! I can't tell my family this stuff.
@itsameliatho
@itsameliatho 2 ай бұрын
Beautiful cat loaf :)
@luciesullivan416
@luciesullivan416 Ай бұрын
Intuitive eating is the most powerful unshaming I have ever experienced. It is wild how much autonomy I gained once I allowed my body to demand ice cream at any time
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf Ай бұрын
YES YES YES ✨✨✨✨
@azlizzie
@azlizzie 2 ай бұрын
Thank you Tanner for giving me the language to describe why I don't enjoy watching sports even though I enjoy playing them. It is a lot on the nervous system. Same reason I don't enjoy many movies; any with a layer of stress involved is not a fun time for me.
@JMSayler
@JMSayler 2 ай бұрын
This was such a fascinating conversation. I liked that it wasn't necessarily based on mormonism as much as it was kind of just about society. Don't get me wrong I love the Mormon related things as well but I really forgot who I was listening to during this. It was great insight
@oooohokay
@oooohokay 2 ай бұрын
Love your initial point about deconstruction extending beyond religion proper. Ideologies and extended identities hold a similar shame hold on us like religion. As a progressive Jew, myself and many similar minded people have been deconstructing Zionism especially since Oct 7. Having engaged with Christian and Christian adjacent deconstruction content, I find the process to be remarkably similar. I can’t find a better word to describe how the process has been looking for me. Your work and message extends far beyond the ex Mormon sphere by now and we ALL have fears and biases to break down, deshame, and deconstruct. Love y’all 💫
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf 2 ай бұрын
Ahhh that’s the topic of our next video!!! 💜
@mphi1701
@mphi1701 2 ай бұрын
One thing I've been thinking about lately, I wasn't able to put into words until after this video, is how self expression is a form of creativity. And when we're talking about shame, it can 100% shut down self-expression and self-exploration. I've been discovering my queer identity over the past 2-3 years, and I feel like I keep hitting the walls of my comfort zone as far as what I feel comfortable expressing to the world. I have an idea of where I want to go, but it does feel like I don't have enough experience, skill, or drive to reach that point, like you're talking about someone feeling like they can't make art because they believe they're not good enough to do so. I now recognize that this another area of internalized shame that I want to work through.
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf 2 ай бұрын
LOVE THIS COMMENT 💜💜💜💜
@nothingtofind9099
@nothingtofind9099 2 ай бұрын
I love everything about this video... a Zelph classic for the ages!
@abbieyoyo
@abbieyoyo 2 ай бұрын
would be so interested in a video on kink! also how it ties with trauma & shame, i feel like i can’t tell where my trauma from church & gender roles starts and where genuine kink begins. i’m working on unshaming sex rn (i’m still a virgin at 29, but i only got out a couple years ago) and it seems impossible. my conscious brain knows everything is healthy and good but my body in the moment literally will not let go. i know i need a therapist and hopefully ill get one soon but in the meantime it’s a challenge. (also, can i just say you guys are the epitome of the bisexual dilemma hahahaha)
@TeaAndCroissants
@TeaAndCroissants 2 ай бұрын
THIS!!! I have gone through such a journey with this! I especially love how you put it: "can't tell where trauma ends and genuine kink begins" (paraphrased). I remember getting into kink culture (online) when I first left Christianity and being totally dissatisfied with "any kink is ok as long as it's consensual" and "kinks aren't a result of trauma!". I know these views have truth and are pushback against a shaming culture, but they weren't what I needed, because some of my kink /is genuinely from trauma!/ It's been a journey having to figure out what I needed with no guidance. Now I see how sometimes my use of kink was a healthy and necessary step in my un-shaming of sexual desires, and sometimes it was entrenching harmful beliefs/thought patterns. There's so much nuance. As someone who's been on this path and still has a long way to go I wish you all the best on your journey of un-shaming and of untangling your desires from traumas.
@abbieyoyo
@abbieyoyo 2 ай бұрын
@@TeaAndCroissants thank you so much! and i agree, my experience has been mainly online as well but i have that same feeling of being torn because i don’t want to be a part of shaming culture but i do genuinely feel it’s because i definitely think my experience is very similar to yours where it is partially unshaming and partially entrenching harmful beliefs, particularly with my relationship to men. but people in the kink community, as supportive and helpful as they can sometimes be, just don’t quite seem to get it. i hope to find a sex positive & kink friendly therapist who can help me but i also have to get past my shame around talking about my involvement with kink because i am still surrounded by people who are still very conservative. but thank you again for sharing your story, and i wish you luck as well on your healing journey!
@nyssalynn5216
@nyssalynn5216 2 ай бұрын
Honestly thank you Tanner, I'm genderfluid and the trans masc part of me has a lot of unshaming to do ❤ I'm 5'7! Short kings unite!
@demon-dj7yj
@demon-dj7yj 2 ай бұрын
Hijacking this video to ask when Texas collab part 2 is coming! Also, shout out to the cat. 10/10 would pet it.
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf 2 ай бұрын
Tomorrow, I believe!
@demon-dj7yj
@demon-dj7yj 2 ай бұрын
​@@ZelphOntheShelf that's the answer I was hoping for!
@chomskyjunior
@chomskyjunior 2 ай бұрын
You guys always amaze me 😊
@bekahgwen4984
@bekahgwen4984 2 ай бұрын
I loved this conversation so much.
@Soilfood365
@Soilfood365 2 ай бұрын
I do find it... - funny? - the way that shame outlasts its roots. My mother is a lapsed catholic, my father is non-attending but ancestrally and philosophically a calvinist, and despite never being religious myself (except catholic baptism when I was too small to remember and about three months of displacing emotions into zealotry when I was fifteen), the combination of catholic and calvinist guilt is... very difficult to unstick.
@narcole
@narcole 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for creating a space for this conversation! I’m an associate therapist who’s been deconstructing for over 5 years now and embracing curiosity has been so freeing! Acknowledging the needs and feelings we experience and approaching them with loving exploration is such a gift we can give ourselves💗
@TeaAndCroissants
@TeaAndCroissants 2 ай бұрын
I love the format of this video! It felt almost podcasty? but without all the unnecessary preamble chat that many podcasts have, and more focused but also free to flow where it needed to go? Idk, I can't quite describe it, but I really loved this video 💖🌿🦋✨
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf 2 ай бұрын
Ahhh yay!!
@juniperusvloggus
@juniperusvloggus 2 ай бұрын
Yall so casually talking about your experience of/with polyamory helped me open myself back up to it after a bad experience and it has exponentially increased my confidence, security, and opportunities for connections! You’re doing some beautiful work with these videos!!
@nastialover180
@nastialover180 2 ай бұрын
Update on the rest of the dav and Bethany content? Is there more content with them coming? ❤
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf 2 ай бұрын
This week!!!!
@AliBreee
@AliBreee 2 ай бұрын
I guess shame kind of is stored in the pointer finger?? 😂
@DeMiRoxmysox02
@DeMiRoxmysox02 2 ай бұрын
It’s amazing the hoops people jump through to justify humans “not being animals” I recently joined a religion and now I’m in a weird space of not wanting to entirely reject it, but also understanding that after joining said religion, I felt myself regress in my development. Like all the work I put into “de shaming” myself all went away.
@anangoohns
@anangoohns 2 ай бұрын
Happy Pride! 🎉🌈 and absolutely wonderful video. Listened to this while out checking on how my wild strawberry patch is growing this year. And you kept me and the strawberries wonderful company😊 I've thought about it like this before: Shame operates on kind of the same principals of horror movie monsters. One main tenant of horror (obv caveats abount) is that not seeing a thing makes it scarier than seeing it. Because nothing a horror author/filmmaker could create could be is as scary as what your runaway imagination could conjure. Shame hides the monster (shamed internal thing) away. Its not talked about, its avoided at all costs, even anything relating to it brings fear. In doing so, it makes the monster into a giant yet vague terrifying mystery. You don't know what it looks like, how it acts, where it lives, or the parameters of its being. Shame convinces you it is the most horrifying monster, and capable of the worst acts imaginable because you refuse to look at it to learn what it really is. But in doing that, shame not only hides the monster from you, but leaves the monster in the dark, where it is alone and hurt and starving. If you look at the monster, it no longer can be the worst imaginable, because it is something you can look at, can watch and learn about. You can understand what it is, what it wants, and how it acts. And if you don't abandon and starve it, it isn't nearly as likely to come snapping out of the shadows at any available notice. If you bring your monsters in from the dark and let them sleep by your fireplace, it doesn't mean you become the murderous thing in the night. It doesn't mean it now runs your house. It instead becomes a thing you understand and know how to live alongside. It means you might learn that it's not that bad of a monster after all when you really look at it. It's usually just a scared and hurt and neglected creature trying to survive and meet its needs.
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf 2 ай бұрын
LOVE THIS THANK YOU 💜💜💜
@ano.theart3050
@ano.theart3050 2 ай бұрын
I love you both a lot. If this was intentionally a casual chat between two friends then i get it. As a viewer i found it kind of unfocused. You both have so many good points, i feel like the videos would benefit with structure. Talking points… for example, what is shame, what are common examples of shame, how is shame used by certain institutions and to what end, what are the impacts of shame on a personal and social level, how we can recognize shame/how we can undo shame, open discussion. Dunno though 😅 hope you both have a lovely day
@whitneymiller7853
@whitneymiller7853 2 ай бұрын
As a social worker I love love love the card game metaphor, Tanner!
@amielwayne
@amielwayne 2 ай бұрын
Ahhh ye Olde Terence McKenna loop: "I love Terence McKenna!" "Is this too much T.M.?" >Debunk T.M. and stoned ape theory. >>Leave T.M. ............ >>>Return to T.M., wiser and more appreciative the 2nd time around ✌️🥰
@esquip100
@esquip100 Ай бұрын
Those are some cheeky exmos doing a show stoned.
@boop27407
@boop27407 2 ай бұрын
"Drake, UGH" made me choke on my burrito
@notmyrealname9469
@notmyrealname9469 2 ай бұрын
❤the giant cat
@Purkinje90
@Purkinje90 Ай бұрын
Album recommendation for you: Nothing Lasts but Nothing Is Lost by Shpongle. They sample McKenna a ton! Great video, 🙏
@AshAshBaby
@AshAshBaby 2 ай бұрын
not to be dramatic but I'd die for your cat 😻 one of the hardest things I've had to un-learn after leaving catholicism isn't just shame around sexuality (though definitely that is there), but shame for love itself. I was shamed at such a young age for having emotional attachments that were read as queer by some of the adults in my life that to this day I struggle with allowing myself to want emotional closeness with someone. I still have a lot of hang ups around being "too much" or "intrusive" in some way, which were all incredibly unfounded fears. the guilt and shame they bake into catholicism is unreal- the meme of "catholic guilt" isn't really a joke so much as a trauma we're all laughing about, because if you don't laugh at it, you'll cry. I don't think I've met another ex-catholic that didn't have some degree of guilt or anxiety.
@saegemehlfee
@saegemehlfee 2 ай бұрын
This channel is so refreshing. Just need to persuade the rest of the world of this and it'll all be sound. Simple 😅
@timdaniels3776
@timdaniels3776 Ай бұрын
Ol' Terry Mckenno!
@timdaniels3776
@timdaniels3776 Ай бұрын
next is a Ram Dass binge : p
@joeyrufo
@joeyrufo 2 ай бұрын
37:09 that's just called compatibilism! Congrats on discovering compatibilism! 🤪
@christinabellini537
@christinabellini537 2 ай бұрын
Congrats on the block Tanner 👏😂👌 my very old school/traditional/bordering on fundie TBM mom just started listening to a lot of Jordan Peterson, and I feel kind of helpless and awful about it. I’ll hear it playing sometimes and see how interesting and wise she thinks he is and it feels like watching a very very slow motion car crash. In general, her discovery of KZfaq feels that way. When I was a kid I so badly wanted her and my dad to see that KZfaq wasn’t just a dumb, evil, frivolous, worldly thing but was a really great resource and had something for everyone. I was shamed for wanting to do worldly things in general growing up, so very much when it was to watch fun beauty videos, or silly videos, or videos about things I was passionate about that they didn’t really jive with or just wasn’t lds, etc. they surveilled me so excessively, even screen sharing with the computer on my dad’s phone while I was using the computer in the same room as him, and when I found out and asked him about what the issue was he told me how dumb and “vain” the things I was exposing myself to were. I was so emotionally unsafe, and my little child soul just desperately wanted them to accept KZfaq as one of the countless valid ways to interact with the world and the huge variety of wonderful things in it, which my mothers now finally done, but only to fortify the ten foot cement walls of her echo chamber. It makes me very sad, but I don’t really have in me to approach that situation. My best efforts at non-violently communicating and very tactfully and non-imposingly or self-righteously addressing anything with her usually all go out the window, and leave me worse for wear. I’m accepting that they are “lost causes” (rather that I don’t have the thing for the cause and have no clue who or what might) and It’s just really hard to make peace with.
@christinabellini537
@christinabellini537 2 ай бұрын
But cheers to the unshaming of KZfaq and all secular media in people who are the products of horrible Mormon/Christian/Religeous cultures that shelter and shame kids and youth! It’s seriously wild to remember how extreamly naughty I used to feel doing the most regular, fine things ever. The shame doth runneth deep.
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf 2 ай бұрын
💔💔💔
@Where_is_Waldo
@Where_is_Waldo 2 ай бұрын
Willfully understanding science... another thing many forms of christianity shame. I unshamed myself on that a while back. Also about jordan peterson's anti Pride event bullshit: This is a great example of the refusal of right wing bigots to have a good faith conversation. They won't hear the explanation that it's about taking pride in standing up for people who have been shamed, threatened and/or violently attacked for openly being who they are, whether it's standing up for yourself and your allies or simply standing up for your allies. The term pride also seems to me to also be a part of a sort of over the top display just to stick it in the face of people who want to take away the right to be one's self publicly which I just love, it's the appropriate response. Also, about toxic monogamy culture, I'm sure many people will willfully misunderstand that phrase. To help them understand what they don't want to understand: It's not monogamy it's self that's being called toxic. Dishonesty is what makes cheating wrong and dishonesty is what can make monogamy toxic. Without dishonesty there is no cheating, only honest and mutual polyamory (or a breakup because an honest and mutual relationship can't be had). Shame is what convinces people for whom monogamy isn't natural to try to have or pretend to have monogamous relationships. Sure some people will always lie to take advantage of others but shame will convince people who would otherwise be honest to lie. It would be so much easier for naturally monogamous people to have the kind of relationships they want if society didn't coerce everyone else to pretend to want monogamy... I love your point about the history of, in effect, selling women as a basis to form socio-economic ties and dynasties. It's interesting to note that it was the norm in those times to marry without emotion or romance and to seek romance through adultery. 36:37 "Must we?" 🤣 Impeccable comedic timing. The cards metaphor was apt.
@kristenkuruugaa7903
@kristenkuruugaa7903 Ай бұрын
It’s disorienting in the us and disorientating in the uk
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf Ай бұрын
Yessss thank you!!!
@pollinationtechnician7553
@pollinationtechnician7553 Ай бұрын
RIP nietzsche you wouldve loved modern-day religious deconstruction discourse
@pollinationtechnician7553
@pollinationtechnician7553 Ай бұрын
specifically this video
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf Ай бұрын
But you know who would have loved it even more? Carl Jung ;)
@naptowngarden
@naptowngarden 2 ай бұрын
Tanner- I have your shirt design on a sweatshirt! 😂
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf 2 ай бұрын
Ahhh!!!
@giselleescobedo6109
@giselleescobedo6109 2 ай бұрын
Yeeeeees! Cat content!!
@asmrforlifew
@asmrforlifew 2 ай бұрын
Can you guys make a video about just how anti choice mormons are on the topic of abortion? I'm curious. also, are there mormons that are pro palestine or what does the church say or have said about the genocide in Gaza if anything? I know they love to ignore world problems :(
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf 2 ай бұрын
Next video is a Mormonism/Zionism video!
@hannahshorrock3760
@hannahshorrock3760 2 ай бұрын
B by
@weezieyo
@weezieyo 2 ай бұрын
I’m so glad you have a sponsor, and I’m sorry, but I feel the need to let people know the truth as I see it. Bellessa sucks. I gave them a try after the first time you mentioned them. The quality is just not there. Their products are weak and poorly constructed. You are not getting value for your money, especially compared to other small, woman-owned companies that make some excellent toys at lower price points.
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf 2 ай бұрын
Really?! I haven’t heard this take before, I genuinely have loved their products! (I’ve tried a few other brands over the years and they’ve always been a similar price point but not quite as good!) Always good to hear varied opinions though! 💜
@Nelia2705
@Nelia2705 2 ай бұрын
Yeees, a video on k!nk please 😍 coming from a fellow k!nky, childfree, polyamorous, bi, neurodivergent person 👋😁
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