Valjoux 7750, Sellita & ETA movements: Are these watch movements still relevant? Worth it?

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Today I'm talking about whether ETA & Sellita movements, among the most common off the shelf movements in watches, are actually worth it in a market where most major luxury watch manufacturers have now transitioned to offering in house movements.
The reality, much like the case with in house movements, is that it largely depends on how much you spend, but there are still several factors to consider in terms of whether something like a Valjoux 7750/Sellita SW500, ETA 2824/Sellita SW200, or an ETA 2892/Sellita SW300 is something you'd want powering your watch.
0:00 Intro
1:31 Maintenance
3:17 Reliability
4:44 Costs saved with third party movements
6:13 Comparing watches with the same movement
7:28 Design
8:15 Innovation
What do you think of these off the shelf movements? Would having a Sellita, ETA or Valjoux 7750 movement put you off buying a watch? Would it maybe attract you more due to the lower maintenance costs? At what point would you say the cutoff is for a watch needing an in-house movement? Let me know what you think in the comments section.
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@ShahLusso 3 жыл бұрын

What do you think of these off the shelf movements? Would having a Sellita, ETA or Valjoux 7750 movement put you off buying a watch? Would it maybe attract you more due to the lower maintenance costs? At what point would you say the cutoff is for a watch needing an in-house movement? Let me know what you think in the comments section.

@jimmiekaelin4804 2 жыл бұрын

ETA is now an in-house movement for the Swatch Group, which owns many watch brands. Sellita is now free to put their stamp on movements they were already building and customizing for ETA. Sellita is making high quality movements and they are going to get better moving forward.

@yetanotherjohn 2 жыл бұрын

OUTSTANDING video! So much useful info. With many antiques, what was once commonplace can sometimes become a valuable collectible. I posit that because the mighty 7750 helped save the Swiss Watch industry when challenged by the Quartz units, and because it is a common entry-level choice for many aspiring collectors (like me!), it will always be loved.

@jeremybrees Жыл бұрын

Great video discussing such an interesting topic! Thanks so much for the overview of pros/cons.

@ShahLusso Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Glad you liked it :)

@benjohnson2968 3 жыл бұрын

I really appreciate your explanation of all the differences between these watches and the movements they have. I have a great understanding of them myself and if I wanted to explain the differences, it would be kinda different each time I did and well.... it was difficult....kind of. Now, I'm just going to tell the next person to give me their phone and pull up this video. Again, great explanation and very well put together.... BTW, I was cracking up after the mustache comparison. Thanks again.

@ShahLusso 3 жыл бұрын

I know exactly what you mean, I went through about 5 variations of this video before I ended up with the cut I published 🤣 Glad you liked the video & thanks for any future views from sharing it :)

@carrickrichards2457 2 жыл бұрын

Thoughtful, well structured and useful; thank you. I am tempted by the Victorinox 241836 (Sellita in a 20 bar case) now and servicing and reliability were brought up alot as issues.

@grantmcwilliam 5 ай бұрын

I bought a Christopher Ward Speedhawk with an ETA 7750 in 2010. Wear it every day, never serviced, it's as accurate as my phone.

@arthurgimba1310 9 ай бұрын

Your moustache joke though! 😂😂😂👍🏾👍🏾 I really liked your argument about price comparisons, especially when considering pre-owned watches

@Geoduck. 3 жыл бұрын

Outstanding video Shah. You have simply and clearly detailed these movements so a normal person can understand them. I'm looking at an inexpensive Yama dive watch that uses a Stellita. I now know ETA and Srllita are similar modestly priced quality proven movements. Thanks! Subscribed.

@ShahLusso 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Glad the video helped & gave some more perspective for your purchase, good luck with the new watch when you get it & welcome to the channel! :)

@Watch.hector 3 жыл бұрын

Siempre con temas relojeros, marcas y modelos que no ves en otros canales de KZfaq! Felicidades! Un abrazo desde México!

@ShahLusso 3 жыл бұрын

Gracias! Pronto subiria la version en español, pero primero tengo q subir la reseña del Vacheron Constantin en español tambien. Saludos y gracias por el apoyo :)

@FRANKTMD 6 ай бұрын

Have a marathon chrono diver , solid watch featuring the 7750 , bought it for about $1500 , retail new is a crazy $4k plus . Personally would pay max $2500 for a watch with these movements and that is streching it

@grantmcwilliam 5 ай бұрын

Have you seen the prices of used Tudor watches featuring ETA movements?

@laowai2000 3 ай бұрын

Where I live the workshops who service ETA movements will also take advantage and charge absolutely ridiculous prices for replacement parts. Purchased a Carrera over 20 years ago and spent quite a lot on maintenance over the years. At least with evolution of internet sales now part prices are much more transparent.

@Jungleman707 3 жыл бұрын

I used to be a movement snob, now I appreciate these outsourced movements. I have a Doxa which was regulated to +1 second a day, only issue is shorter power reserve (no big deal) and vulnerability to magnetism (my Doxa actually was magnetised and sts

@ShahLusso 3 жыл бұрын

I came into the hobby with a similar attitude too, too many videos all over the place saying anything less than in-house is a waste of time (no pun intended), but the more I learned about watches, especially learning about how for the majority of the time they've used movements from suppliers I realized that there's a lot of practical advantages as well as solid historical precedent for using outsourced movements. I'm actually getting the 2892 in my Cartier serviced right now, sleeping a little easier as I wait for the final bill knowing that at least i don't have an in-house movement in that 😅

@pandora8478 2 жыл бұрын

Great review!

@ShahLusso 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! :)

@NW-lj6oo 2 жыл бұрын

This is an informative and nicely put together video. Shah asks a number of interesting questions but I think that there is a relatively small number of watch buyers who are actually enthusiasts. It’s a bit like golf, in that many people take lessons and buy nice gear but do not take the time to understand the aerodynamics of a golf ball or some of the physics behind the stroke. Each to their own really so if people want to spend the moment on the Hublot versus the Tag, that’s their choice.

@ShahLusso 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Glad you liked the video, and very good point with the golf analogy, though hopefully this video helps out that admittedly smaller segment that is interested in learning more about the internals of their watches, or maybe inspires some casuals to take a deeper interest in their watches too :)

@johngarbutt 7 ай бұрын

I just bought a Tag Heuer Carrera with Sellita sw300 movement. I love this watch. It suits me very nicely and is super quality. No doubt it would have been a lot more money if they used an in house movement. I'm more than happy with a Sellita movement inside my watch.

@artieshell9205 2 жыл бұрын

Great video!! And great insight! I just ordered a Hanhart with the 7750, but modified by (___?). I like hearing all this history! Thanks!!!

@canadianwatchmonkey3992 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent information! Agree with everything that you have said.

@ShahLusso 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Glad you liked the video :)

@brian4855 2 жыл бұрын

Great vid...I liked how you made the timeline ! Its so much easier for us to understand differences of movements. Do you you think you could make a movie just about the different prices of JUST the movements ? Thx Brian

@ShahLusso 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Glad you liked the video :) Great suggestion - though finding accurate data on the prices of movements would be difficult since watch manufacturers get different prices based on bulk deals, and then the unit cost for in house movements or modified or shared ones would be even harder to source. Definitely something to look into though once I have a bit more access in the industry to find out how much some of these watch brands actually pay for the movements :)

@nukie404 3 жыл бұрын

Nice video, I think in the end it all ties back to whether you think an in-house movement is worth it or not. For me personally, I think it's less of an issue with dress watches or dive watches because the appeal usually lies else where. For example, dress watches are usually focused on the finishing, the overall aesthetics, so the movement itself usually doesn't come in to play too much in how you enjoy the watch. It's not easy to find stock moon phase/perpetual movements to start with so I think that is sort of moot point here. Dive watches are somewhat similar in that I think the innovations lie in the water resistance, materials, etc. The overall intended enjoyment comes from wearing your watch in harsh environments, and it being reliable. In fact it might be better to go with ETA/Sellita on these watches as you'll be servicing them quite more frequently. I think chronographs probably required the most scrutiny for movements because it's about performance and interaction with the movement that the enjoyment comes from. From something simple like the tactile sensation of pressing the buttons to the information displayed, the accuracy, etc. Having experienced my brother's IWC Pilot Chronograph was quite something after only having experienced quartz chronographs before. I'm sure interacting with a higher end movement would be quite an experience too. - Han

@ShahLusso 3 жыл бұрын

Exactly, in many ways this video is sort of the other side of the coin to the in-hosue movement discussion but also both sides have some advantages/disadvantages that the other side doesn't have an equivalent for Very good point on the tactile experience on chronos specifically, pusher feel and winding feel can vary a lot between different movments and can impact a lot on how expensive or solid a movement feels. Something like the 3126 / 3840 on the Royal Oak Offshore felt very precise & refined while the Breitling B01 feels very solid & almost bulletproof, with the 7750's i experienced feeling somewhere in the middle - that being said the use of column wheel vs cams impacts that too, so a comparison of the feel of a 7750 vs B01 for example woudl be more fair if it was one of the column wheel modified 7750s But in general I'd say that with an in house movement companies can make their movements also "feel more on brand" while the outsourced ones leave them less wiggle room unless they want to heavily modify them (though i plan to make a separate video on modified movements)

@cuttestpomeraniansimbafrie2600 2 жыл бұрын

well explained..... thank you.

@ShahLusso 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, glad you liked it :)

@jeremyrice3719 3 жыл бұрын

Great video - thoughtful take as always. For the most part I think in-house isn’t worth it unless the specific movement allows for greatness (purely my opinion of course). The Bulgari Octo Finissmo is ultra-thin and adds to the spectacular look of the watch. To me that innovation as you call it clearly makes the watch better (again, just my opinion). But in general I rarely see the need to pay the inflated price and service costs just to get a status piece. I think owning, say, an Anonimo which virtually no non-watch fanatic would EVER know about is “cooler” than going to the mall and picking out a (fill in the blank) just to brag about an in-house movement they can’t even see or at best get a glimpse of through a display case back.

@ShahLusso 3 жыл бұрын

I agree that "in-house for in-house's sake" can be a bit of a waste, to use Cartier as an example something like the 1847 MC which has almost the same specs as the ETA2892-A2 doesn't make too much sense, whereas the 1904 has the twin barrels for better delivery to maintain accuracy with that it at least brings something new or improved to the table, or in the case of the Octo using it as a means to break a thinness record (beautiful watch too) As for that Anonimo that's a great example of a company playing to its strengths designing a distinct & interesting looking watch with a reliable movement instead of inflating the price to accomodate an in house "just because you have to" or to give it more bragging rights.

@looplop 2 жыл бұрын

Very well put Sir! Subbed y liked blessings to all the tickx

@ShahLusso 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Glad you liked the video and welcome to the channel :)

@stkenno8758 2 жыл бұрын

My watch has the SW300-1 movement and it’s spot on

@ShahLusso 2 жыл бұрын

Nice, which watch do you have it in?

@stkenno8758 2 жыл бұрын

It’s in the IWC mark XVIII titanium heritage 👍

@MkadinA01 3 жыл бұрын

Good content 👍🏻

@ShahLusso 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you 🙌

@sluggosloan 8 ай бұрын

I have 4 Invicta Pro Divers with 7750 movements in them. They are beautiful watches and never break down. All were got for around $600-700/each and to me seem like a bargain.

@licensetochill79 2 жыл бұрын

I personally love the 7 750. That's why I build my own watches from that movement. For a little under $800 I get the exact watch I want the look I want period without paying extra money for something that has not changed

@Dimian7 8 ай бұрын

Thanks for the info bro 👏 7750 Then Breitling is boss. 2824-2 then a lot of brands are cool, like Tissot. In house is much cooler tho, will invest and trade until I can afford, also i service my watches, but I don’t think i’d fiddle with an in house.

@yashara1e 3 жыл бұрын

All very good points but I think you should include the actual mechanical differences between these movements and some of the more prominent manufacture movements in Rolex, Omega, ..., Maybe in next episode 😉

@ShahLusso 3 жыл бұрын

Great idea, I had been thinking of making videos more focused on the specific movements (since this ones still pretty general), but a direct comparison to their modern in house equivalents would be a great angle

@jeremyrice3719 3 жыл бұрын

Great idea, but I’d skip Rolex. So overdone.

@moonman2216 3 жыл бұрын

Your assessment was dead on. I personally don’t mind the eta or 7750 in my watch bc it does provide value. Reliable, Easy to service, and Swiss. Although it’s mass produced it is a very quality movement. I completely agree depends on price point. There is also no need to pay full retail for watches w these movements they are available in the grey market new or used for a fraction of the cost.

@ShahLusso 3 жыл бұрын

Exactly, at the end of the day the price will really dictate that cutoff for whether an ETA/Sellita is good enough or whether an in-house movement would be more appropriate. It'll be interesting to see though what happens when more accessible brands start producing in house movements - thinking of Tudor or even Oris with their new Calibre 400, brands like that could start to put even more pressure on smaller brands to go in house just to compete

@moonman2216 3 жыл бұрын

@@ShahLusso Possibly but I think many of those brands will opt to stay w the ETAs and Sellita and focus on design like you said while keeping a lower price point over creating in house movements. It is very costly and expensive to engineer and produce your own in house movement, it may not make business sense for them to create in house. Many companies also use these mass produced Swiss movements as their base and make small changes to the movement and then tag that at their in house movements.

@scottlalonde2878 6 ай бұрын

Nice vid from a few years ago, thank you 🙂👍. I like how ETA movements have been dependable for me, but man over $5K US I think would be pushing into in house territory. Even a well finished watch like a Breitling with ETA, I don't know, think they're walking a fine line.

@garrydrummond6225 3 жыл бұрын

Well explained, I enjoyed this video, thank you for keeping it simple

@ShahLusso 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Glad you liked it :)

@Dimian7 8 ай бұрын

Also! Inhouse don’t have to be ”sell kidney” prices, look at Orient! Solid Japanese brand 👏

@johnnyarsenault9124 2 ай бұрын

It takes time to iron out problems with a movement (manufacturing movements), the more movements your company does, the more knowledge you acquire. To start from nothing and get a workable movement is fairly easy nowadays BUT to have one which is reliable in the long one is another ballgame (even with time acceleration tests). Comparable example: would you go on a time tested plane for your Holydays or would you be willing to take a new cool looking plane which has just gotten on the market. There are about ten true movement manufacturers which are Swiss, this should be a topic for a stream by itself. From my point of view: after $5K, it would be wise to look outside the 2 major mfgr.(ETA & Sellita). This allows new designs since the movement will allow more flexibility.

@ShahLusso 2 ай бұрын

100% agree, up to a certain price the ETA/Sellita options are perfectly fine and makes for good long term reliability too but above that it’s nice to have something more specific to the watch or the brand BUT as long as they’ve been making movements for long enough to iron out the initial teething problems.

@johnnyarsenault9124 2 ай бұрын

@@ShahLusso Sellita problem was in gears (wrong alloy)which have been completely ironed out, let us not forget that Sellita used to supply ETA movements which were used within the Swatch group & other 3rd party. A lot of parts are inter-changeable between ETA & Sellita BUT are not completely so. Maintenance cost with either one is more than reasonable, maintenance on Rolex movements are crazy $$$, will the cost of having an in-house movement reflect a 2-3 times cost increase which customers will receive with open arms? ETA movement supply is completely controlled by Swatch, which they supply to their own group first & a few others, thus ETA movements are not available for others. The only 2824 sized movement which is available is Sellita. Sellita have a variety of movements which are same popular sized as ETA: 2824, 2892,7750, etc. Sellita expertise is building complete kits(non-assembled, being assembled by the 2nd party), or any other proposals. It’s not for nothing that Breitling has done new acquisitions, TAG-HEUER also, it’s a changing world. Time will tell how Tudor will be greeted by the watch community for various reasons!

@donaldneo4317 3 жыл бұрын

I am not into Hublot watches and I am surprised that the Big Bang uses 7750 base movement as the dial layout is completely different. With that said I know Hublot is not the only one that heavily modify ETA or Sellita movements but my question is whether these heavily modify movements are still easy and cheap to maintain by a independent watchmaker?

@ShahLusso 3 жыл бұрын

So the movement inside the Hublot Big Bang Chronograph is a Sellita SW510 - very similar to the ETA 7753 - however the Sellita version doesn't need a pusher for the date, instead has a regular quickset - so still very much a stock movement that can be maintained by a watchmaker with experience in 7750 based movements as the basic architecture is the same across these 7750 derivatives

@hbomb9041 3 жыл бұрын

Love the show. Less sure about the tash. Bit Miami Vice.

@ShahLusso 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah we'll see how long it lasts..i jsut got bored of my little quarantine beard so wanted something new...and I've never really gone full Freddie Mercury with my moustache so figured I'd try it out :)

@Hrethgir 3 жыл бұрын

I just got a Longines Grande Vitesse for under $1k, nice to know it's mechanically identical to watches that run 5-15x as much!

@ShahLusso 3 жыл бұрын

Without a doubt, and you can take comfort in knowing you wont have to break the bank when it comes time to service it! Love the Grande Vitesse btw, great choice!

@Hrethgir 3 жыл бұрын

@@ShahLusso Thanks, I'm really happy with it! Recently asked a local watchmaker about service, and he doesn't do it in house anymore, but I'm looking at about $450 plus shipping to and from the factory. Thankfully it looks very clean under a loupe, and seems very well regulated, so no rush for a service.

@laowai2000 2 жыл бұрын

@@Hrethgir Good looking watch. Find the Longines impressive. Been wearing a Carrera from new for almost 20 years.

@chulkcha 3 жыл бұрын

Some very good valid points to consider when buying a Swiss watch. My friend got his Rolex services a f cost him $1500. I can't wait to service mine....not. With the unwanted comparisons, you made an excellent point. There are ETA watches that are $600 like stienhart and there are $2-3k etas and there are 10k etas. I just don't get it. Perfect example, the Tudor Submariner and big block.

@ShahLusso 3 жыл бұрын

Exactly, and while with something like the Big Block you can write it off as that being the practice of the time, as well as a bit of peace of mind in the maintenance on a neo-vintage/vintage watch - I find it a much harder pill to swallow if its a brand new watch still being made today shares the same movement as watches that cost 30%, 40%, 50% less

@MrZZooh 3 жыл бұрын

I got my first 7750 dive watch with a 500 meter water resistance and a sapphire glass new for 330 dollars! It was a one-off and you can't really find it used for that price, let alone new. But it happens every now and then. And interestingly enough, it hasn't given me any issues in the year and a half since I bought it, as opposed to my other 7750-based watches that cost at least twice as much.

@FuckYouCommies 3 жыл бұрын

I still want a Breitling Navitimer which I know a few of the Models use a 7750/7751/7752 movement. Yet, they are priced at Breitling prices.

@ShahLusso 3 жыл бұрын

Go preowned - you can find some good deals ones that aren't even that old - and there's a much bigger price difference between the B01 equipped ones vs the 7750 ones that you find on the pre-owned market

@RossWristWatchLove 3 жыл бұрын

Do the damn thing Bro! Nice video!

@ShahLusso 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks bro 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

@toadinthehole8085 7 ай бұрын

Valijoux 7750 chronograph swiss made movement. What other alternative is available, IE the competition , because I don't no of one. Plenty of expensive none chronograph is available but late face it, it not the complicated and is much easier to make so tell me more !!

@paulaxton72 8 ай бұрын

Your forgetting that most high end houses highly modify the movements those are just base movements what's done to them isn't, whether it's just an oscillating weight jewels added modified escapement etc.

@chulkcha 3 жыл бұрын

The new improved ETAs are all in Omega's range and they can price it accordingly. Its a Swatch Group movement so they can do what they want I suppose.

@ShahLusso 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah ETA & Omega is a grey area..because they're Omega designs, made by ETA exclusively for Omega but ETA Omega are both part of Swatch..IMO i still look at them as in-house since they don't offer it to others within the group but one could still look at it either way. What will be interesting is to see if ETA starts supplying the C07.111 Powermatic movements outside of Swatch group since thats supposed to be the evolution of the 2824, and whether that'll usher in a new generation of outsourced movements so that smaller brands can still keep up without going in house

@jorgemunds9171 2 жыл бұрын

Isn't the seamaster co-axial range inhouse? 🤔

@ShahLusso 2 жыл бұрын

Depends on which ones - the early ones were modified ETAs fitted with the co-axial (I.e 2500 is an ETA2892 with a coaxial fitted) - the current ones are made by ETA but exclusively for Omega, and both ETA & Omega are part of Swatch group so it’s a bit of a gray area but IMO it still counts as in house

@jorgemunds9171 2 жыл бұрын

@@ShahLusso ah OK, thanks for those information. Well, last year I pulled the trigger for the new SMP 300 with the co-axial movement. I was convinced it's inhouse 😅 Of course, one of the main reasons was also, that the watch community is saying it's a top quality movement and highly recommended.

@ShahLusso 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah so that would fall under the ones exclusively made for Omega - great movement though, very accurate and antimagnetic. Congrats on the new purchase and hope you enjoy your Seamaster for years to come :)

@spittinvenom9671 2 жыл бұрын

Who looks at a watch and says, hey man nice movement? I pick my watches by the design. But man, paying premium for a Monaco with that generic Sel movement is killing!!! Still, that iconic design!!!!

@jimmiekaelin4804 2 жыл бұрын

In-house movements are costly to own and maintain, but offer no better performance or durability then high end movements from ETA or Sellita.

@sipham6553 3 жыл бұрын

What is your feelings on Japanese movements like grand seiko high beat and spring drive.

@ShahLusso 3 жыл бұрын

If i'm being honest my experience with them is quite limited, though as a feat of engineering the Spring Drive is amazing and from what I've heard its also quite reliable - however if something does go wrong then it has to be sent back to Japan. The Hi-Beats as far as i know can be repaired at local service centers and also have a pretty good reputation too. Hopefully soon enough I'll be able to get more experience with them to give a more detailed impression :)

@Drugaskan 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, ive always looked down on everything not inhouse movement. Your cost savings argument cought me thinking about it...

@ShahLusso 3 жыл бұрын

I was the same when I first got into the hobby, but now having learned a bit more and also spoken to other collectors & heard their experiences, I can definitely see the value in a reliable third party movement I think that the answer to the whole In-House vs Third Party debate is just that it depends. In some cases now manufacturers are making in-house movements with the same specs as their ETA equivalents without adding any extra innovation...for that you might as well go for the reliability and cheaper service on an ETA/Sellita, meanwhile others are making big improvements with their in-house movements to justify the price hike & to extend service intervals and warranties - so really it's all subjective, but glad I could highlight a different perspective on it :)

@alaaissa3494 Жыл бұрын

the best

@toadinthehole8085 7 ай бұрын

7750 is in every expensive chronograph swiss watch u could mention . Ie breitling £10,000 plus watches

@Ossory88 3 жыл бұрын

Interesting points. I would personality never buy a non in-house movement.... Unless it's a Smiths... Or a Sinn... Or I just like the watch!! Get off my back!!! I do what I want!

@ShahLusso 3 жыл бұрын

I'm no fortune teller...but it looks like you might buy a non in-house movement...or not..or maybe...I told you i wasn't a fortune teller!! 🤣

@Ossory88 3 жыл бұрын

@@ShahLusso haha, gotcha

@japd7897 3 жыл бұрын

I don't know why brands do not design peripheric rotors, it is not rocket science and you can have thinner movements, nicer finishings, and something new. I feel I could develop one of those rotors myself, and I have basic engineering knowledge.

@japd7897 3 жыл бұрын

Carl F. Bucherer kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ebOHoruBtZPaeYE.html AP (2:40 peripheral rotor moving) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ZtSqiMyL0arPnqM.html ...

@ShahLusso 3 жыл бұрын

Some have (AP, Bulgari, Vacheron Constantin) but it seems to be cost prohibitive. The most accessible watch with a periphral rotor (that i know of) is the Bucherer Manero Peripheral (~$6,700) so it can't be that bad. But i completely agree, you get a thinner movement and also you don't get that downside to an automatic that you have a rotor obscuring the movement. I also wouldn't mind if more manufacturers pushed towards manual wind - with the modern 60-80 hour movements these days you don't even have to wind them as often so you'd get thinner movements with more on display too.

@jonathanchau5087 3 жыл бұрын

Anything above 5k needs an I’m house movement

@ShahLusso 3 жыл бұрын

I agree, thats pretty much where my cutoff is, over 5k neccesary, under 5k it's a nice bonus :)

@jonathanbracq 3 жыл бұрын

Lol 🤣 that joke

@ShahLusso 3 жыл бұрын

😁

@mcclechinois1213 3 жыл бұрын

Comparing car and watch maintenances is ludicrous!

@ShahLusso 3 жыл бұрын

Because they're both mechanical, require regular maintenance from use and suffer from depreciation?

@mcclechinois1213 3 жыл бұрын

Shah Lusso - Sure! I don’t mean to be argumentative. But watches require FAR less frequent maintenance, where as a Luxury (high performance) car will really cost quite a few limbs over the life of just one single ownership, they normally aren’t being looked after for the next generation...

@ShahLusso 3 жыл бұрын

Oh without a doubt the raw cost of car maintenance by and large will always be much more than watches (maybe some vintage grand complications could give them a run for their money), but the point I was making with that comparison was the notion that while in cars you can/could buy a 100k car for 40k, but the maintenance cost will still be that of a 100k no matter how much sale value its lost, with watches that use outsourced movements you can buy a 13k watch (i.e Hublot Big Bang Chrono) without 13k watch running costs vs buying something with an in-house movement (Glashutte Original 70's Chronograph) would still retain those comparatively high running costs in spite of depreciation. i guess since engine sharing isn't that prevalent in the car world there's not many examples i could cite, perhaps something like the Bentley Arnage Green Label with the M64B44 BMW V8 having similar service costs to the equivalent 740i with the same engine or at least lower costs vs the later versions equipped with the Bentley 6.75L V8, but that probably wouldn't be as cut and dry as comparing valjoux 7750 equipped watches

@mcclechinois1213 3 жыл бұрын

Shah Lusso -l only meant that the frequency of required maintenance, thus the associated cost between the two aren’t comparable... let’s just leave it at ‘Point’ taken for an interesting topic.

@tulliofrau4805 2 жыл бұрын

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