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Arthas did nothing wrong.

I wish Arthas asked Uther what in the world he had in mind when he said there has to be another way.

There is a theory where if he doesn't purge the city, the undead will attack Arthas's base, the Capital city, and even Dalaran. It may be non-canon but it's just a theory and the Burning Legion really did planned ahead of time.

As Thanos said: "Hardest choice requires the strongest will"

“Without monsters, there can be no heroes” - Darion Mograine

Short answer: yes Long answer: y e s

He was right to purge the infected. But was wrong to follow Mal'Ganis to Northrend.

Was Arthas right to prevent Covid-19 from spreading? Yes.

Holy shit I was not expecting him to look like he does. Also Arthus did the right thing for all the right reasons. The others just couldn't see it. Them leaving him sent him down the path of damnation

“uther's gonna pay for that slam dunk" arthas 2020

Uther and Jaina should have stopped him or joined him; this way he would have been prevented from taking the path alone.

Arthas could have made more of an attempt to explain himself to Jaina and Uther, it would have only taken a few sentences. Or, instead of telling them to leave, he could have told them to stay on guard outside the city to catch undead and capture people escaping instead of joining him. Once they'd caught some refugees and seen them turn into undead they could have realized he was right. Arthas going "I relieve you of command, everyone who doesn't obey me get out of here" was a mistake. Made out of anger and maybe injured pride, but a mistake.

Remember: if you die as an undead you just went straight to the maw I see this as both a mercy killing and a necessity as it helped thin out what could have been so much worse

The only mistake Arthas did in Stratholme is that he didn't purge it ENOUGH.

He is a hero for that. He prevented Lordaeron's fall. Atleast until he came back and killed everyone.

honesty I understand Arthas mentally and emotionally I mean still young, need guidance during these "HARD DECISION" especially from Uther the one who supposedly to be a wisest one.... that's where Uther failed as a mentor for Jaina I think it's the one that makes him broke even more when Uther and especially Jaina abandoned him. It is where that broke him even harder. I mean not only he had to witness his peoples became zombies but he had to also witness 2 peoples who abandoned him which broke him even harder till the point that he's rotten to the core and cannot be fixed so in conclusion he was RIGHT about purging however his method was WRONG

What people seem to forget is that the Scourge also had a base close to Stralthome with a Dreadlord leading them. Try fighting the undead with limited numbers while also trying to quarantine a large city with people turning into the undead. It wouldn't end well for you as well even if you tried saving as many as you could, you'd be fighting a losing battle and every loss means extra manpower for the Scourge

I totally agree - Uther still left Arthas at his own whim, knowing Arthas intentions. While his hands are clean his resolve isn't.

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Our prime minister of health during covid pandemic this month: this entire country must be purged!

I know many people will tell me that it's not possible and not ruin such a great story but man! I really want arthas back to azeroth as himself as a paladin and restore lordaeron once again.I remember when I played the cuiling campaign as a child I always thought that he was right but after completing human campaign the arthas betrayal cinematic struck my heart to the core.I really want him back as my fav paladin hero.

Uther's justification to throw him to the Maw was not for vengeance, but for justice. Arthas's crusade against Mal'Ganis was for justice and the purging of Stratholme was in mercy. His redemption is how willing he was to bear the burden. "I would gladly bear any curse to save my homeland."

I am going to make one last contribution to this conversation with my abilities of an aspiring writer. You are a soldier of Lordearon and you followed Arthas into the city. You have your doubts about the princes plan but you dare not speak out against him. As you patrol the city you see a scared family running away from the main force. "HELP US THE PRINCE HAS GONE MAD!" The father yells to you as the mother and child weep... Looking at them you know your orders are to kill them but you cannot bring yourself to draw your blade. Suddenly the mother coughs. "What was that is she alright?" You ask. "Yes just the common cold nothing serious." the father replies. Looking at the scared family you decide consequences be dammed, and decide to help them. "I can get you out of the city follow me." You say and start guiding them out. As you run, avoiding other patrols, and even the few undead that have started to roam the streets the mother falls down and starts coughing... "Mom we got to go!" the child begs their mother. "Come on dear you can do this!" the father encourages his wife. but the coughing won't stop... As the coughing continues green ooze/gas (whatever it was) starts seeping trough her orifices and eventually trough her skin. She starts twitching and screaming in agony as her eyes begin to glow... "Kill me make it stop!" She screams while flailing around her screams of agony morphing into growls of an angry and hungry animal. "NO! Please kill me!" she begs of you her appearance now clearly more dead then living... As you contemplate on what to do compleatly horrified the child and father starts to cough as well, while the mother has stopped begging but is still screaming her cries becoming less human by the second... What will you do?

So the dreadlords literally gave him the only choice to "press X to become the Lich King". That just goes to show how brokenly crafty they are.

The citizens were dead as soon as they ate the infected grain he just put them out of their misery

The hardest choices require the greatest sacrifice. Uther and Jainda just didn't knew what he knew. I dont think Arthas made the wrong choice. He would have given everything to protect his people. Having to make this choice must have been more difficult than almost any other choice that has been made in the lore.

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Keep up the good work doron!!Love your content!

This is one of the best lore videos yet

This is great... Something i've tried to tell people for ages... I have one thing to add tho... What if the two people that could have helped Arthas mentally and emotionally didn't abandon him at stratholme... What if they stayed if just at the gates so they could hlep his mental state after that fiasco... or I don't know... MAYBE... just maybe attack the already existing undead there... to take some heat of my base so I can focus on Mal'ganis and the purging...

The thing with purging is its ok if your not on the one of people being killed. Like lineage, some people believe being born in the right side of life is a universal law.

Nice video! I understand that Arthas was in a very difficult situation, but I do not believe that he has thought of all the possibilities you mentioned. From the way the game's narrative was told it seems that purge was the only option that went through his mind. What bothers me is not so much what Arthas did, but the fact that he didn't even try to do something different. But ... Arthas REALLY purged the city of the undeads? Because Stratholme is now infested with spirits. When we think of Scourge we only remember zombies and skeletons, but ghosts and banshees are also very powerful enemies. Arthas prevented more walking corpses from joining the Scourge, but he did nothing to prevent the spirits of the dead from being enslaved.

Just realised how similar the initial lorderon response to the plague was to our plague

Arthas is in the maw because Uther and Devos went past the Arbiters judgement, so we don't even know if he would have been sent there or if the arbiter would have found him redeemable.

I wish you had provided links to the concept art pieces that you used in this video.

Wow, that's not what I expected you to look like. Not really sure what I thought you'd look like that it wasn't that lol

There were no time to establish carantine, since Mal'ganis already claimed souls within city. Act of culling was logical ang unfortunately necessary, but still monstrous

Great video Doron!

I was under the impression that he thought killing humans would be easier than killing their undead versions.

Purging Stratholme? Sure. Being mean to Uther and leaving for Northrend? Nope.

Imagine in an alternate reality! Jaina asks Arthas and Uther to wait for her as she teleports to Dalaran to find help and knowledge; she finds the spell to reveal who is undead and who is not and with a group of mages at her side she teleports back; Jaina togheter with Arthas and Uther (both blessed and blessing others with light) they change history and save stratholme. (But of course they will realize that leaving Lordaeron was logical)

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I blame it all to Jaina and Uther, if they supported Arthas at Stratholme he wouldn’t go insane and follow Mal Ganis imo.

The problem is, Arthas didn't save Stratholme. He only gave them clean death. Stratholme even to this day covered of Undeads. My idea is to lockdown the city. It's combination of purge and quarantine. Purge slowly while qurantine. Everyone locked in houses. While silver hand march from door to door. Cause Paladins most effective against zombies and also immune to plague. Killing any zombies. Then further qurantine the survivors. After repeating of many times, they will able to save someone.

Finally a face with the voice!

whats the theme in the begining? like in the first minute

Arguably the biggest mistake Arthas did was simply not hearing Uther out. When Uther said _"How can you even consider that?! There has got to be some other way"_ if, instead of banishing him out-right, Arthas had simply responded _"Well, what would you have us do then?"_ things might have gone very differently. Now, Uther almost definitely did not have any other solution, Stratholme most likely would have turned into a disaster no matter what, but a further conversation may have convinced Uther or at least Jaina to not leave Arthas. This, in turn, could lead to them possibly keeping him going to Northrend which would alter the entire timeline. Arthas not going to Northrend would mean that he would never take up Frostmoure, never killing his Father, never destroying Quel'Thalas, never raising Kel'Thuzad and never brining the burning legion to Azeroth. Sooo... I guess... moral of the story is: don't abandon your friends when they begin down a dark path or something?

he was definitely right to purge stratholme(from a greater good standpoint of course), if the entire city was turned, they wouldve overrun the rest of lordaeron. imo Jaina ended up being arthas's downfall(even though i can hardly blame her for her choice), because lets be honest, if it was Jaina who wouldve been bleeding to death from an iceshard, then arthas wouldve never in a thousand years still picked up frostmourne.

Tbh I think mostly Jaina is at fault here. She is unlike Uther. She is literally with Arthas When they found Kel'thuzad and his mission. She f**king know it well and she even the one who told Arthas about the weirdness on the granary. I think she only told Uther to help Arthas, not ecplaining the whole grain plague and etc. That's why Uther is even surprised when Arthas said the situation they are in.

I wonder if Kel'Thuzad would ally with Sylvanas? It's likely to early to tell, but there is a possibility. We can assume Sylvanas would hate Kel'Thuzad nearly as much or just as much as Arthas, but we have seen hardly any evidence of this. In fact, the only time I can think of them interacting or talking to each other is when she tried to kill Arthas, but Kel'Thuzad made it there in time to save him. They are both cunning, intelligent agents of death with their own motives, so a mutually beneficial deal may not be a far fetch here. Only time will tell. Nice vid as always Doron! I think Arthas made the right choice.

0:00-0:21 theme song name please?

I kind of agree. I never saw any other option. I thought Uther and Jaina were short sighted.

I really miss him

Still ended up as a scourge infested hell hole so...mabey

we all know that Arthas did nothing wrong just like Garrosh

Arthas: Have you last Your Arthas, Arthas? Arthas: (Twirls around and claps his hands) have I, Arthas?

I will watch this later hut without question he was doing what he believed to be right. There was no known way to reverse the plague of undeath. In my eyes he was 100% right. At least they died by his hand and not with malice in his hearr

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He should have just used holy light

I don't know. If there has been more time to find a solution, Arthas would have definetly be in the wrong but as you said, he was pressured by time (and likely under heavy stress). I am not convinced the recently infected, thoses still alive, couldn't have been cured not to mention the risk to kill unaffected peoples in the process. The mages of Dalaran could have come up with solutions. 4:15 Well, at least, the soldiers wouldn't have the death of their own kin on their hands and conscious. Better to kill undead monsters than humans citizens. 5:12 Reinforcements could have been easily and quickly call to, teleportations isn't just for show.

Glad I could make it Arthas

I think if he didn't purge the city, it would get overrun by undead and be wiped out regardless, he'd be sent to get rid of undead, get teased by Mal'Ganis, and rest of story would go the same.

in short; no because if he waited literally like a month while keeping stratholme quarantined, mages of dalaran would've been able to erect a field around strat that kills only the undead and destroys the infection

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Death knight Arthas's legacy is bigger than the paladins prove me wrong

To add to the point that Arthas didn't like what he had to do, he actually started to feel his powers in the light fluctuate. This shows that he partly didn't think it was the right thing, and he was in conflict even with himself.

it shouldve been Lil Timmy

I wonder if arbiter judges like dorons do it

This is why Arthas is one of my favorite Warcraft characters, in fact, he's second only to Illidan for me and the only reason I like Illidan more than Arthas is because he looks cooler and Liam just has a godlike voice. Their lives were both twisted by the burning legion and had to make the hard choices, in Illidan's case, sacrificing his own troops to kill hordes of demons and Arthas razing a city to the ground. They were not the best of choices but it was either that or they get killed and their so called allies labeled them as monsters simply because they did what is necessary. How I wish Illidan and Arthas never ended up being enemies since in the end, I think Ner'zhul wanted revenge on Kil'jaeden, and who better to ally with than the one who wants the legion dismantled

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He saw what the plague did to his people. I see the culling as him being merciful. Even if some of the people didn't eat the infected grain, they would have been torn to shreds by their neighbors or family. The Culling of Strathholme did damage Arthas though, his mind and soul forever tormented by the faces of shock and horror his own people had that day.

What do you think about my theory? Uther throwing Arthur’s into the maw was planned? What if Uther is working with the light and even Arthis to plant Arthis in the maw to be a spy on the jailer. Since we know now that all the events Arthur’s has done as a Lich king was mostly the jailers doing Arthis can redeem himself in the maw.

How I wish the Paladin's Resurrection ability is something common. Imagine using it after Arthas murder these people. Like yeah 😂 anyways I agree with Uther that theres maybe some other way to do it. Also I wished he listened to Jaina more.

I am certainly not an Arthas apologist, but this one was a lose lose situation.

It would be important to compare arthas to thrall before events began. Thrall as a shaman got the vision and was capable to comprehend the fact that they don't stand any chance if they decide to stay in lorderon, so he had plenty of reason to go to kalimdor. For humans no one recieved a vision and were harder to convince them that the threat is too big to handle it at their very home, so the most reasonable thing mans along with arthas saw as fighting them which lead to further events and only handful of humans left the lorderon when shit was clear enough that isnt going well.

Arthas did what nobody had the stomach to do. On top of that he did it Alone, no help from his friends no support from his mentor. If he had not done this nothing stops the undead from flushing out to attack other kingdoms.

Maybe he could of quarantined the city and waited for help. Yeah I feel purging it was right but out of anger and revenge he went to Nprthrend. He could of waited planned out like you said. Plus he sacrificed people and Mercs for his own path to Malganis. I feel he changed the moment he stepped on that boat or even when he told Uther to go away. Maybe he could of talk it out or something.

To get this out of chest, Arthas is a prince trained to be a paladin trained by one powerful drawf and one of the best paladin on the planet, his Main priority was to defend his homeland and his people no matter what threat he face! No matter how difficult it may be! He never hesitated, and the undead Scourge was a enemy humans isn't very used to, and this plauge infected his people faster then they could think for a Solution so he goes killing the undead and infected ones and none because this threat would win anyway so uther didn't agree so didn't rest of the humanity but there where no other options the humanity is doomed no matter what If you were in this situasion What would you do?

I didn't actually purge the city ! I just waited for people to turn into zombies and then killed them ! All I did was kill undead and keep them from getting to Mal'ganis ! Then I realized you see this theme in zombie movies, you kill them after they turn, not before ! Also, the undead were not match for my knights, I didn't even need froustmourne !

Yes

and we have to take in the account the personality of Arthas, we can't just toss it out and say " he shouldn't have done this or that" because it will just take humanity out him and that humanity is why people love arthas as a whole.

There was no other way. The people there would have died anyway very soon but they would have infected others. Arthas did nothing wrong until he picked up Frostmourne

Arthas honestly made no mistakes until.... He ignored Medivh's advice and went to northrend, there's nothing in northrend but death afterall... And arthas honestly didn't have a chance to kill malganis without frostmourne which he didn't even know about until meeting muradin, so its ridiculous he thought he could stand a chance

I don't know why it has taken me so long to actually watch this video, but I actually got a reply from the guy who made the level. Basically he said the "right" answer was to run. But run where? Away from your supplies and fortifications? The way I see it, Arthas saved Azeroth by delaying the undead invasion (even if he did lead it later on) so that the alliance at the world tree was formed and ready. Keep in mind, canonically, they only barely got things in place to defeat Archimonde. The whole final level of WC3 was to delay just long enough. Without Arthas, they aren't barely in time. They are weeks too late. And THIS is forgetting he set off on his own, and rather than reinforce him when he had a beachhead, he was undermined by his father and the leadership of Lordaeron. Could the mages of Quel'thalas and the Kirin'tor at the height of their power have defeated the Lich King and completely avoided the summoning of Archimonde? We will never know.

You know I start seeing a pattern here. In the Warcraft universe those who have to make the really tough and morally ambiguous, but effective decisions are branded as anti-heroes/villains, while those who make the morally good, but uneffective decisions are the heroes. Illidan did what he did to defeat the Legion, which at the time was the biggest threat to Azeroth and until WoW Legion he was a villain. Arthas purged an entire city of his own subjects to prevent a further spread of the plague, he's a villain. Garrosh started wars to secure a better life for the orcs, he's a villain too. Meanwhile Malfurion, Tyrande, the Aspects, Thrall, Anduin etc. have been coming up with feel-good ineffective decisions and yet they're the good guys.

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There is no cure. So no, Arthas did the right thing

I have a really random thought. You know how the warcraft live action movie i believe wasn't loved. I wonder if making a world of Warcraft anime would work. Looking at all the action animes out there i don't see why not. It's just a really interesting idea. Who wants an anime sylvanias vs her sisters? Meee :D

Is that Pilav's voice? 😂

Arthas' purge of Stratholme was the right thing to do. Him following Mal'Ganis wasn't good, but he would never have learned about the Legion and what was coming and gave that extra time for the kingdoms (if they had listened and belived him whie he was alive) to build their own defenses against the Legion. The Necromancer that taught and helped Arthas after he became a Death Knight. Right up to him becoming the Lich King. After that Arthas, not Nerzuul was looking for power to start building the base he needed to fight the Legion. The one force that the Legion would have not been able to destroy easily without high losses on their side as well. Between Arthas' and Illidan's Armies, the Legion wouldn't have been able to get even the little foot hold they had gotten. At the end, Arthas had beaten Nerzuul and was in control of the entire Undead army he had up in Northrend. It was the murder of his father, who had backed up Uther's damning of Arthas without knowing the why behind the purge, even Jaina refused to listen about the problems Arthas had been witnessing, the reason for his chase of Mal'ganisthe, the seige to get control of the Sunwell that had failed. Arthas knew what was coming. Jaina was warned about what was coming. Kal'thas was informed, but ended up exiled to Outland by the humans he had saved. Thrall was told where to go and to prepare. Illidan went and built an army in Outland that would be part of the front lines, if he hadn't been stopped by the xenophobic and insane Maeve, it would have been even more ready for the Legion. Every "bad guy" that the players went up against up to Legion, minus Warlords (the players just changed that parallel dimension's path), were those who knew what was coming. Most people didn't read the Lore and find the little Easter Eggs that were leading up to Legion. All the warnings were there and both factions ignored them. This included the Dragons. The players were able to find lore and learn of the up coming battle. You had to explore and find the out of the way places over the years. The problem now is that many of those places were destroyed during the changes of the game by certain expansions. There are a few things still left hanging, but this was probably because the stories involving those things were scrapped and the main story was rushed forward. We, as players, ended up never being able to find the same clues that Arthas, Illidan, and others had experienced. This is just my opinion. My thoughts based off of years of playing WoW. I stopped playing after Legion. I had seen the end of the story that I had been following since Warcraft 3.

Truthfully, judging by that event alone had Arthas been in 40k he would not have been more than the typical Roger.

could we see Arthas redemption in the shadowlands

Doronsmovies or also known as "Arthas's Advocate".

to me, he is neither hero or monster. he's a victim. a victim of manipulation at the hands of the dreadlords, kel thuzad, and nerzhul. really though this whole thing could have been avoided if they either went to kalimdor or as the ambassador said; to put the kingdom under strict quarantine.

He thought it was a good choice It went badly That's all you need to know he wanted to do good

I somewhere read Arthas did enjoy killing in his mind

Absolutely right, if they had done nothing the plague would have spread even more quickly. The villagers couldn't be saved, and anyways Arthas killed "Zombie" if Arthas is evil for killing those villagers then so is Leon Kennedy.

Anyone else think that he looked totally different from what you pictured?

totaly agree...even if he quarantined them,legion could free them and would be a mess...he just made smaller mess