Wow. True.

Proverbs 21:9 (NLT): "It’s better to live alone in the corner of an attic than with a quarrelsome wife in a lovely home." My attic corner is much more peaceful...

There is only one problem !!! Everything in the Old Testament was to prefigure Jesus the Messiah Mary his mother and even Joseph. Jesus supersedes everything in the Old Testament. So unless you learn to love your enemies then you are not in compliance with what Jesus Christ wants but with the Old Law. It's the new law the New Covenant that gets us into heaven King David is not going to get you into heaven unless you learn the way of the cross your future looks bleak

@@josephcade3541 You can love them, you can even pray for them. But it doesn’t mean you have to be a door mat for their abuse. Even Jesus showed his wrath against the money changers that were manipulating people by ripping off the pilgrims who were coming to pay their respects at the temple. Ephesians 4:26 KJV Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: Clearly the bible is saying it is not a sin to be angry at evil.

@@josephcade3541 Here is a Truth for you. Marcion the heretic came up with a terminology Old Testament. When Paul told Timothy that ALL SCRIPTURE is profitable for doctrine, reroof and teachings righteousness in 1AD, guess what?! The gospels and the epistles were not compiled yet. So guess what? Paul was speaking about Torah and Tanakh, you incorrectly call Old Testament and here is a bigger Truth. Messiah Yeshua quite clearly stated in Matthew 7; 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you WORKERS OF LAWLESSNESS.’ So, knowing His name and casting demons in His Name YET practicing LAWlessness will be an automatic denial to Kingdom of God. Guess what LAWlessness IS? It’s breaking God’s commandments. What IS breaking God’s commandments? A transgression>Sin. 1 John 3:4; Sin IS >the transgression of the Law; whoever commits sin is also transgressing The Law.” If there was no circumcision of the heart that leads to Trust that leads to Abiding in Heavenly Father’s Word your FAITH IS DEAD 💀 James 1; 21 Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness THE IMPLANTED WORD, >>which is able to save your souls. 22 But be DOERS of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. 23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a DOER, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; 24 for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. 25 But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and CONTINUES IN IT, and is not a forgetful hearer but a DOER of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does. James 2; 18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe-and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD?

Don't be a professional victim in the interest of thinking God wants you to. Any narc would USE your loyalty to that notion to harm you greatly.

Luke 8:20-21 Someone said to Jesus, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside and want to see you.” Jesus said to them all, “My mother and brothers are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”

@@Vezmus1337 ...yeah. So, that sounds like a conditional love expectation from a narcissistic personality.

This HAS been very difficult; you are right. I have asked myself many times: "what does 'honoring my father' look like when he is a narcissist"? The best answer I have come to is to pray for him, for his good, for his heart...all from a distance. I try to keep poison at bay by not disparaging him to others (except maybe my therapist and my husband). This is a difficult command to wrap my head around and still stay in a place of safety and trust.

Dear Lucilia, I struggled with your exact comment "The most difficult thing is to honor thy father and thy mother" If you have a moment look at KJV Psalm 27 1:10 When my Father and my Mother forsake me, then the LORD will take me up. Children born to unbelievers are looked after by God, I know this because I would not have been able to survive without the power of God. Took me a long time to get here, but I made it! Thank you Jesus!!!

Thanks l was married to a narcissist and after all these years of hard-heartedness my children are like there dad and that grieves me Jesus is my first love now and l know l have thee perfect Husband that supplies all my needs. To receive what our Lord says we can have in Him comes by knowing Him obeying and following Him so as to imitate our Lord and that is how l forgive my narcissist family Without Jesus there is no way it can be done. His Truth. His Spirit. Shalom Shalom

Amen thank you for that that does help🙏🏽💖

🙏🙏

He always has.

More than Shakespeare. Per the Gospels Satan quoted scripture to tempt Jesus in the wilderness.

@Pedro Ivan Sanchez Agreed!

It shows jus how psychotic they are, when they read share scripture they speak as if they are God and you are the servant that must obey them.

@Pedro Ivan Sanchez smh unbelievable.Hope your in a better space now

Any rational person can clearly see the depth of brainwashing, moral extortion, and perversion that all religions share. They can not escape their own sin. False worship is all worship and all worship is corrupt, false worship. No method exists to determine correct worship... god left that part out of the bible so fakers have filled the vacuum with their own notions of worship. The first commandment has every thing to do with not worshiping and never demands sinners to worship him.... only Satan does that.

@@MaryDunford That is 100% what I've discovered! Amen!

Amen

Amen

@@helenhighwater5313 We are, however, expected to exercise discernment. Real love does not imply complete and unrestricted acceptance of bad behavior.

@@emesselt Yes, discernment. For me, I was so blinded by my commitment to the institution of marriage that I stayed 35 years with a covert "Christian" narcissist who would regularly tell me, "you just have to accept me the way I am," and "you are just going to have to forgive me," when I complained about bad behavior. It nearly drove me insane and I was on the brink of suicide when Jesus gave me a way of escape. Covert is the most dangerous type because the public image is so meek, humble and shy. Never would anyone believe me how I was being dismissed, neglected and exposed to layers of toxic and negative energy on the daily. Nothing brought him joy. How can someone that miserable be a follower of Christ?

@@gailrosenberg48 Same for me, sister. God made a way out and I finally got divorced (2 years ago) after 35 years been married to a narc. In all that time, lots of church people around us were blind about the real problem. Also outside therapists. I came never to this word of "narcissism" until a few weeks ago. There is a lack of knowledge and discernment in the church that allows this abuse to go on. A topic, under many, to pray about. God bless you and heal you.

@@thereseservais924 Thank you for sharing your story. We are sisters no doubt.

@@gailrosenberg48 you're so welcome. God bless you !

It's the Jezebel spirit. I wasn't even saved when it told me it's name. That was over 25 years ago. Several spirits working together. Also Probably Leviathan, possibly Incubus. I know it sounds crazy. I'm not all that thrilled about knowing about it myself. But Truth is Truth. Correction. It was about 23 years ago.

Yes! Narcissism is the worldly term, Jezebel is the spiritual name. It’s the same spirit.

Same thing

I came here to write that

Also Proverbs...this is my neighbor. She's not a floozy but she has every narcissistic trait known to mankind and she stands in the street yelling her conversations to project a phony happy persona but when she goes in her house she likes to fight. She also tries to bait me in fights but I've got her # (She is loud and stubborn; her feet abide not in her house: 12Now is she without, now in the streets, and lieth in wait at every corner.) Proverbs 7:11,12 It's called the strange woman and it's a demon and yes, jezebel is right there.

Forgive them , go no contact or grey rock , you don't need them using you or doing you dirty more than once, as the bible verse says don't throw your pearls before swine. Proverbs 4 13-16 . They are trying to get a reaction out of you, to make you angry , to make you fall. Don't fall for their manipulative tactics. I haven't encountered religious narcissists at church but I have some at work, evil people who will twist scriptures to suit their agenda. Best not to say anything when they are doing that- they believe everything they say is right- they just are trying to start an argument- to test you- don't fall for it. I PRAY THAT GOD WILL BLESS MY ENEMIES. It's laying the problem at the cross and JESUS taking care of it. People say not forgiving someone is like drinking poison and expecting your enemies to die. PEACE AND GOD BLESS🙏🔥💖

@@cherylharris6312 Churches seem like they are more subtle. My ex would say -“since you’re a Christian....you have to forgive me...therefore...” Oh my. Another plot- using my moral values to get what their way. I forgive him for myself, not for him (they do not care), however forgiving doesn’t me I forget. For me it’s best not to forget so I don’t fall into a trap like that one ever again.

Tammy B Had a co-worker say that I was holding a grudge because I wouldn't speak to her . She knew I believed in God and thought she could play mind games with that. I have been praying for all of my enemies and people who despitefully use me. I know I have nothing to prove and don't owe her anything . I stayed no- contact , I know narcissists believe what they want to and think you're going to play the mind games to try to change their mind. Religious narcissist at work is not subtle , will try to push beliefs onto you.

Jehovah's Wittnessess are a Narcissistic Organization.Under The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society Inc.They are not a Religion.They are a High Mind-Control/ Cult.

Yes

Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness but rather--Expose them.. ephesians 5:11

Just check out Isaiah 45:7 and Deuteronomy 32:39 and you will see God creates both good and evil!

And 1 Cor. 5 too.

@Pedro Ivan Sanchez Isaiah 53 = Jesus ✌️

@Pedro Ivan Sanchez Rite!

I agree

Wow 😮

Facts

I sat across the aisle from an international level pedophile in church for two years. Nobody knew until the victims’ parents started pressing charges.

Exactly

I was married to one for 20 years/ I have been red-pilled too and still am learning to trust people again/ pray about it everyday ❤️🥰❤️🥰

I thought I was the only Pollyanna left in the world! Lol

@@ellebee3998 Nope. There's me too Elle Bee sheesh!

The red pill she speaks about the one we swallow and stay in la la land…I was on that since my teens and he took so much from me like my time wasted! 🙏. I’m thankful to God that my daughter got the information that we needed to know what was really going on and my kids really struggle and I would say they struggle more than me from everything that we have found out. But I’ve been through a lot more in my life so much more resilient I worry about my kids. One wants nothing to do with him the other one was hoping that he changed and seeing that he’s not

I can relate. Not everyone is like me... 🐉⚡🌈

Yesssss Yessss EXACTLY

Yeah I noticed that too! A recurring theme of “avoid them!”

@Lonnie Minick ikr?!?

@Lonnie Minick Your comment has just stuck with me because I know exactly how you feel. Once you realize you’re married to someone like that, it really complicates everything…you can’t just avoid them in that situation. I understand. I’m in the same situation. Praying for you. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

@Lonnie Minick divorce

😊...shrewd as snakes...i love that...my chinese astrology sign is snake. 🐍 I've often wondered if the animal symbolism in scripture may be something like an astrological wheel ...there's references to elements as well...

@@dougarnold7955 Wouldn't know 'bout that. Interesting, though!

@@susannay.3437 Thanks. Great discussion.

@@dougarnold7955 ive seen somewhere years ago that it is kinda like that!

Oh my gosh. I quote that to my boyfriend a lot

Amen! 🤗🙏

I see some perhaps well meaning Christians here trying to imply that to separate yourself from an abusive, narcissist individual is against the Bible and is unforgiveness. That is nothing more than a LIE from Satan himself. It's a dirty, underhanded trick to keep us in bondage, knowing that we will spend most of our lives MISERABLE and defeated if we buy into the belief that we are obligated to stay in close relationship with our narcissist. Can you imagine having to wait for another person to DIE in order for you to have some peace?! I don't care if the narcissist is your own MOTHER! LEAVE THEM ALONE! Self preservation is the first law of nature!

I agree I guess that's what I don't get about the name narcissist am l just being to picky wanna know because mental health seems to be influenced by evil

@Jean Genie It makes a lot of sense. I have an uncle who lost his mind in his early twenties and died in a mental institution. His older brother, who is almost 70, is an alcoholic. They were both abused by their narcissist mother, who ordered their step father to beat them to blood. And because their mother is an elderly person now, the family feels that she deserves so much respect and protection simply because she is still breathing in her late 80's. They show absolutely no remorse for the children whom she has abused.

The bible is a pit of vipers and using it as a crutch to justify and validate any thing is pathetic. We have senses and brains and a lot of access to diverse data. The best defense is a good offense so with narcissists you have to put your self up front, ahead of any thing they ever say or do and never accept their lies. Assume every one you meet is a Narcissist and then modify your assessment of them as they present their personality to you. Narcissists have no long term plans beyond discarding you and if they share their goals with you they are grandiose and purely fabrication... like the bible.

Adam? It ain’t over brother. Same here!

Just be thankful you're not like them

YOU ARE WORTH THE MOST PRICELESS THING IN THE UNIVERSE: THE PRECIOUS BLOOD OF JESUS, GOD’S ONLY SON!

You are provided for in Heaven!

Scapegoats get secret righteousness and projections. That's all. Lol 🐉⚡🌈

I was made aware that you need to to read the whole of that commandment to make sense of it. " Honour thy mother and father that it may be well with you " or words to that effect, meaning that if you were in the unfortunate situation where either or both of your parents were narcissists then you would need to honour them as far as is possible in order that they could not ruin your life.

@@deborahp7500 what if you tried and they disown you?

@@carriepappagallo8478 then I would say you have tried your best to honour them and you have done all you can do...but that is just my opinion without knowing much about the situation.

@@deborahp7500 It reads: Honor thy father and thy mother so your days will be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.

Forgiving him is freedom for you.

Amen! I was wondering the same thing!

@@Hegivesbeautyforashes-ll7yt yeah but as you can see, no reactions. I will keep speaking truth! Don’t be surprised, you have to almost stand on you own. Lost many because of it. But also gained the right people.

I felt this and agree. Much respect.

Thats collective narcissism !

The story about Lot , and Sodom is all about narcissism No the bible doesnt use vain philosophy. Judas was all about narcissism . And Timothy certainly refering to the narcissism we are witnessing today ! The bible is of no private interpretation , but it needs to be spiritually discerned God states His words are spirit .

You got that right. She's some one I needed. Nice and refreshing in a way...

@@randallbrinkman2570 Yes about Collective Narcissism.

Praise God,.. sorry for your pain! So proud of you for having the courage to walk away .

@@Rockstar-kw7bz and bless you for what you need to face and do in your journey..you have more strength than you know! Much love..💜

@@angel772921 thank you 🙏🏽. I learning how strong I am a little bit more everyday.

@@Rockstar-kw7bz yes you are beautiful warrior. .you got this..one moment at a time !💜

@@angel772921 God bless you

True.. I also believe selfannonsed apostle Paul, was one. Decieved the whole world. Not what Jesus taught...

Yeah those religious people are nothing but narcissists, not like us :-) the same people who bash Christianity would never talk about Muslims beating their wives while throwing acid on their face, what are they afraid of? Finding their head laying in a wicker basket :-) You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye. Matthew 7:5.

What’s the proof that the Pharisees in the 4 Gospels in the New Testament were toxic narcissists? Christ said a long speech in Matthew 21 about the hypocrisy of the Pharisees- and narcissists are habitual hypocrites with so many pathetic even illogical double standards Also Christ mentioned a parable about the arrogant Pharisee in the way he prayed in the temple to God about how perfect he was that offends God (self righteous snotty prayer) - as opposed to the humble contrite publican who prayed the right way to God that pleases God (with humility and remorse ) And yes narcissists are arrogant ! Christ detests arrogance and hypocrisy in the Gospels

They loved darkness more then light. They loved the sin, they loved the unrighteousness because it served them, worked for their benefit and advantage, to heck with anyone else as long as they are receiving self gratification that's all that matters.

@@yvettecunningham5496 And that is why people rather follow Paul (the new Covenant, where someone died for Your sins so You will be saved (by doing nothing but to believe in Jesus EXSTISTANCE)). Rather than to believe Jesus teachings, that taught that one has to earn their salvation by doing good, live righteous etc. Jesus was murdered, he didn't die so we could sin. The destruction of truth was done by evil people. And there was Paul, also a fariseer, who they pushed as truth.. Jesus warned against those people. Also we were warned in old testament. On top of that, all the stories of people who came across these kinds of people, to lead them astray.

Absolutely

God bless. May God grant you strength and happiness

I think so. Then a question arises; if a narcissistic person is NEVER wrong. How would they view gossip or slander?🙂 just a thought.

@@grammy8436 The problem with Narcs is, they are ridiculously full of themselves, very arrogant, egocentric, quick to interrupt you, quick to talk over you, love the spot light, quick to speak and walk into a room mouth first......Many times the Narc's arrogant mouth gets them in trouble with others for Narc's wrongful assumptions, but then the Narc lacks the ability to back peddle, admit wrongfully speaking, can't self reflect and confess they were "wrong" for being so quick to speak about someone who isn't present, which basically was nothing more than the Narc gossiping. In the Narc's sick & twisted mind, it wasn't that big a deal. Problem is Narcs can dish it out, but they can NOT take it in and they are very PROUD and will never admit wrong doing, because their pride makes them blind to their own arrogance. If you point this out to them, they become extremely offended, feel threatened and immediately view you as the enemy and themselves as the victim, while they scheme up a plot/plan to turn others in town against you so as to preserve their own pride/ego keeping others to remain beholding to the Narc so the Narc can remain top of the heap and you as the diseased child that is unstable & needs help.

2 Timothy 3:1-7

This will sound insane however I'm going to say it; I think the remnant are the empaths who have come to Jesus or about to realise that Jesus did walk this earth. I came to Jesus through the narcissistic abuse of parents and these people are demonic.

@@nocontactjourney7214 I am in full agreement with you

Wade, I too grew up as a JW. I'm in total agreement with you. I've been surrounded all my life by this evil. As an empath, I have now completely secluded myself from the world. The only thing I think about is the soon return of Jesus our blessed hope.. I'm weary.

@@ravenraven966 u are strong

All need/want money. Not a sin. But there are those who are really about CONTROL. Bullies.

true

Very well said. Thank you for pointing that out. It continues to this day unfortunately in varying forms.. tv was a great way for televangelist to exploit a lot of people back in the day the scandals that prevailed in 80's and 90's. No scandals recently. The forum has changed it is not limited to any one group.

Right. It was all spelled out for us. To the letter.

evils inside

I believe you Deborah. That's where the flying monkeys come into play. Many people in church with you are narcissistic as well. I was married to a pastor and I will not support His ministry. He made sure I left His church and I never went back. Remain as faithful to God and serve as The Lord Jesus Everywhere you Go. 🙏

If he is abusive he not a Christian,a real one at least

@@Ghost-oi8he most definitely. You cannot be filled with the Holy Spirit and keep practicing the same sin over and over without being convicted of those sins and truly repenting. My narcissistic husband absolutely does not believe he is doing anything wrong whatsoever. He even watches very inappropriate movies and shows on tv and has videos on his cell phone that my grandkids saw by mistake and they got embarrassed ! And I have said to my husband what would Jesus say about you watching these things on tv and his answer Why he is right here watching it with me! He’s a very scary person.

Very interesting. I had never thought of spirituality being used as a veil for narcissism

​@@WisdomVersebyVerse The New Age is a breeding ground for narcissism. I did some deep healing after 36 years of narcissist abuse from parents, partners, friends and my psychotherapist. When I came out of that, I was then lured into lucifer's lair....sucked into the self-love, self-empowerment, self-actualisation ideologies....with all sorts of so-called "spiritual" people claiming to heal others and manifest their own reality. God was never mentioned. Promoters of the "spiritual" New Age movement encourage you to see yourself as a god and teach you how to create/command your own reality. As a result, innocent and well-meaning people get corrupted and start developing a spiritual arrogance akin to a narcissist. I noticed this in myself and others, and I was repelled by it when I realised. That made me question the New Age "spiritual" movement so deeply, to the point where I cried out to God for the truth and admitted that I couldn't heal myself by myself. Praise God He answered my cry for help and saved from all the New Age nonsense and twisted "spiritual" ideologies. Jesus is the truth and the only way. Only Jesus heals.

The Blessed Mother Mary is a perfect exemple for women

Spot on.

@@judyscheiber3661 Thanks for the reply. Lots of interesting comments on this one! My comment is coming from a mindset of questioning the scriptural tradition we've inherited. There's so much debate from historians how the scriptures developed, I'm left wondering if it all was just created by narcissists in the first place. When i was a kid i had to learn the christian dogmas. Its only recently that ive had opportunity to listen to ideas about the scriptures that originate outside of the christian traditions.

@@dougarnold7955 Jesus said himself that the letter kills but the Spirit gives life. There are lots of dogmas and traditions to be questionned. But the one who looks for the heart of God thru His word will find real life and love. I've been thru that questionning too, and found the very best.

WOW! That is well said.

Religion seems like a blueprint for narcissism to me.

@@dougarnold7955 💯

@@dougarnold7955No at least for true Christianity where Jesus's life embodies the antithesis of narcissism .

@@deborahp7500 Hi. Thanks for the reply. A lot of the sayings attributed to Jesus, (the sayings are written by others after the fact) ...are actually very narcissistic. There's many examples of gaslighting and word salad and scapegoating and love bombing. Those principles, because they are taken by so many as from god actually enable narcissistic types to abuse. It's gone on and on for generations right from the start.

@@dougarnold7955 thanks for replying. Are you talking about passages from the Bible attributed to Jesus? If so I would love it if you could provide some actual examples of narcissistic intent.

You are so strong for surviving the abuse. May God grant you further strength and happiness!

Not in his existence...In his teachings. And Christians does not do that, they follow Paul teachings. Not Jesus'

@@dw1-norskgaming923 Wierd bro, really wierd

@@frankcrawford416 I know... But of course it makes perfectly sence to destroy the teachings of the son of God. And it was done... That is why so few will find the way. It is narrow...

Have you considered the possibility that 'gods son' ...is a narcissistic construct?

@@dougarnold7955 He is not acting like a narcissist thought... And many more books than the bible, confirm his existence...

Exactly! The Wind blows were it wants to.

And may I also mention that this applies to ANY leader of organized religion, including Christianity.

@@TJBear and Titus 1 is awesome. Female nacs exist

@@TJBear 👍👍👍👍👍

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Lucy - I'm aware if the changes also. However...I still read it. This surely isn't old earth.

Yes!

Great!

Great. I am looking forward to more of this..

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rage or smirk. so true