I think the Conn Smythe should be added to the hardware list. Playoff MVP is a pretty solid award.

Ovi and Crosby being 6 points apart is so fitting. Both such great players. Hall of famers for sure

Quick Doesn't have a Vezina, but he does have a Conn Smythe and two William Jennings trophies.

I think we're all thinking of the one and only Loui Eriksson.

Even though he's not playing right now due to heart health concerns, King Henrik is a definite lock.

I am by no means a Bruins fan, or a fan of any team that he has played for, but there is no question in my mind, that Chara is deservedly Going into the hall. First ballot.

Leon pushes the hockey in Germany big. We are very proud of him 🇩🇪🇩🇪🇩🇪

Giroux is one of those players where I think a cup ring might be what decides him making the hall or not. His numbers as they are now are closer to the HOF locks of his time (Kane, Toews, Backstrom, etc) than most people realize, and there's a strong argument that he should have won the Hart for his 2017-18 performance. But between the Flyers management refusing to rebuild around him in his prime in the early 2010s, and his biggest comparison point being Crosby on the other side of the Battle of PA, his actual talent level vs the perception of it doesn't line up as well as it should.

I’m watching this as Jason Spezza moves into the top 100 all time point scoring

You have to remember it is hockey hall of fame not nhl hall of fame. I think if someone has 2 or 3 medals from the Olympic s they will get in.

"Fans are the winners" a true gent.

If Kovalchuck doesn't leave the NHL, I think he's in this video.

Fleury was the starter in. 09 cup win and split time in playoffs and crucial in the cup win in 17. he deserves the respect of having won at least one cup as the true starter

Backstrom gets underrated so often that people forget he is top of his draft class in production, above Kessel or Toews. He's also defensively better than Toews.

Great video, I can watch these types of video for days without pause. I agree with about every single argument.

Crosby malkin and ovi backstrom have been the best two headed monsters for a team the past decade plus

With so many more teams now, winning a cup is statistically less likely and should not be a guarantee/deal breaker for HOF inclusion. Some very good players never won a cup or even had the chance. For example Lundqvist, Luongo and Miller. No cups. Kevin Hodson, Glenn Healy and Antti Niemi have cups. Who's more hall worthy? Maybe in the future even the president's trophy will be considered amongst the criteria. I think the process should be more transparent. If Quick and Miller get a look where is Tom Barrasso and Mike Vernon? And the perpetual debate over Chris Osgood.

Not a Boston guy but berggy deserves Hal of fame one of the best two way centers

And great subject to get people talking. One of the best debates every year.

Shannon is the the very best analyst Period! So grateful to Shannon for teaching me about hockey And he has great sense of humor. Yvonne is also awesomely. Many many thanks to this special couple.

I would have loved to see you take into account Olympic golds/international play. I think it pushes a few guys into the serious conversation (why I think Getzlaf is highly likely to get in with his contributions to Team Canada)

Panarin and Scheifele might make it into the conversation one day in the future, if they have long careers.

I think the Art Ross is very telling, if you look at the winners every one of them who is eligible is in the hall of fame. Great Video!

Ryan Miller was a top notch dominate goalie for numerous years......that pushes him to a possible HOF

Getzlaf was great in 13/14, 14/15 led them to the WCF, 16/17 great playoff run also. Was top two or three in the NHL in primary assists all those years, led the Ducks to lots of division titles. 120 points in 125 playoff games, hes been dominant

Its always fun to imagine where stamkos would be for all time points if he didn't get hurt. One of the greatest purest goal scorers

Great video idea! I think about this to myself all the time.

Very balanced commentary good job!!!

SHANNON is HHOF worthy; hands down!! :-)

Love the kings jersey!

Great video! New to the channel deff earned my subscription.... I will say I do think Tuukka makes it though. He has a vezna, yes he’s lost in 2 cups.... but his raw stats are incredible, 4th in save % and 10th in GAA all time are pretty hard to ignore. Just my opinion though!

It's crazy how I can agree with every single decision/argument Shannon has in this video.

Marleau also has an Iron Man streak going at 850 games.

Ovechkin and Crosby will likely get their 3 year waiting period waived just like Lemieux and Gretzky did because these are the two greatest players of this generation and they should be honored by having that 3 year waiting period waived, which I believe Bettman and the league will do as they did with Lemieux and Gretzky, and the same goes for McDavid when he is done he should get those 3 years waiting period waived as well

Might be a bit of a controversial one here, but I honestly think Braden Holtby deserves a spot in the HoF. -Won the Vezina in 2015-16 -Won the Jennings in 2016-17 -Amazing playoff run in 17-18 leading to a cup -Tied for the record for most wins in a season with 48 -.926 save and 2.13 gaa on his career in the playoffs -.915 save and 2.58 gaa on his reg season career The guy was an absolute workhorse for the caps and is a great playoff performer.

Feel like you should do a current nhl coach hall of fame video next. Really liked this video!

Two honorable mentions of players I deeply appreciate: Letang and Hornqvist (I think his value for the 2 Cups and being the last player drafted raises his stock immensely imo but realisitically probably won't make it)

Fleury was the starter in 2009 and in 2017, fleury played in every round besides the the finals 🐧

Nice to see G even get a consideration in this video. Go Flyers.

Lookin good in a Kings uniform baby love it Shannon!! I know it’s your least favorite team but Kings fans still love ya man!! Thank you for covering this sport we all love so much!

If BrindAmour coaches Carolina to a cup I’ll be surprised if he doesn’t get in then

Dustin Brown Awesome vid Shannon

Perfect opportunity to use all the little team goal magnets for these players indicating their current team. Would have been fun to see all those magnets.

I'm surprised you didn't write down cup wins in the mix as well. I know you talked about it but the visual is nice. I like the video though.

Jeff Skinner

I mean I know he’s not active and may never play in the NHL again, but Jagr deserves a mention like henrik...Datsyuk too

Great vid, but that yellow bill on that cap looks huge, kept thinking of Howard the Duck!

Great Vid Shannon

Your take on Marchand was perfect. If he keeps up his production for another 3 or 4 seasons hes in the hall. No about it. The 2011 cup run puts him over the top if his production continues.

When will there be some "Not Too Shabby" merch? This needs to happen.

An Idea for the next time you do this, is to do coaches and GMs that make it in.

Giroux is one of my favourite players ever so I really hope he makes it. But I’m kinda biased. I pretty much agreed with you on everything else

Crosby and Ovi would be awesome for them to go in together

How does Letang not even get a mention? 3 cups, 6 all-star games, and and probably ends up with 700ish points as a Dman. Plus there was that whole stroke thing he came back from and probably wins the Conn Smythe in 2016 if he doesn't get suspended for a couple games.

also holtbys career playoff numbers are among the best of all time, he ranks 8th in career playoff save percentage with a 926 and have the most games played among all player in the the top 10 (97 career playoff games). His playoff numbers along should give him heavy consideration

Fleury was extremely solid in both of his finals cupless runs. And he was the starter for the '09 cup. But yeah, I agree he certainly gets in. That's getting to be a stronger and stronger lock as he goes on in Vegas. And depending who retires the same year, he should be a first ballot.

I agree on Backstrom making it. Legendary centre iceman IMO.

Remember it's the hall of fame for hockey and not just the NHL so international hockey has to count.

Great list of great players! Could you do it also for builders or referees?

Certainly a mention... RW 23 Dustin Brown (LAK), since you're wearing the gold and purple, C 11 Kopitar (LAK) who is certainly first-ballot as you suggested - also a player I could see leading a Kings front office some day..

That run from 2012 to 2019 for Braden Hotlpy that has a cup ring in there and a vesina should give him some sort of consideration even though I think he misses just barley the hall

Crosby is also missing some of the hardware and not ahead in points due to his considerable injury problems. Going by his points being 6 behind with significantly less games played, and considering he was injured the most in his absolute prime during 130+ point pace seasons, it makes sense Ovechkin has more hardware. He's played more full seasons by a lot. Going by PPG, points per game, Crosby has been better over his career. The Stanley Cup stuff is a deal sweetener but I think the Conn Smythe trophy should be a consideration for both Crosby and Ovechkin, as well as Malkin, Keith, Quick and any other players I forgot who won the Smythe and are on that list. Listen, Crosby and Ovechkin are generational players, one is exceptional at goal scoring but the raw production of Crosby is just as important, maybe more so. I think it's fair to say Crosby is one step above Ovechkin but that takes away nothing from what Ovechkin is, the greatest goal scorer of all time, if not then of his generation by a mile. Era adjusted, he has to have the most absurd goal output ever.

I kinda agree about wings. The HOF should have different tiers. We could have the all-time great tiers for the Lemeuix. Gretzky, Orr types, etc and then tiers for other accomplishments, eg Marleau's longevity, etc.

Man I might sound crazy, but in a couple years i think we are gonna look back at this list and think, "why was Ryan O'Reilly not at least mentioned?" I'm not sure he gets in, but if he gets another cup ring I think he definitely deserves to be in this conversation. One of very few to win the selke and conn smythe in the same season.

If Kessel can play until like 38 and keeps up decent point scoring, I could see him getting in based on his popularity

We all know how much we all hate 91 on the island, but that dude can ball out. I'll be shocked if he doesn't get in.

Great video... I love Mathews best Leaf ever! Best pure scorer in NHL after Ovi... Pasta? I think

I'm excited to see how Cale Makar's career unfolds. The Avs have not had a D-man finish as high in Norris voting as Makar did in 2020 since Rob Blake in 2004. That's an exciting comparison.

Per-Johan Axelsson for the HHOF and Bruins should retire his number. What a warrior ! ! What an unsung hero ! ! ! :-D

You should do a team number retirement edition! I.e. Who should have their numbers retired by their respective teams. Would be a short one, but interesting. Example. Pengiuns... Do they retire 87, 71 & 58? If so, do they retire them at the same time since they earned the Penguins such much hardware TOGETHER. Is Letang even worthy?

One player I feel you should have on the board is Mitch Marner. He's been by far one of, if not the best set-up man in the league. A player I think you're wrong on is John Tavares. When you look at how he carried the New York Islanders and what he accomplished for that team plus the way he plays, believe me he's going to be in the Hall. I also think that Tuuka Rask is also going to be in the Hall, probably not the first ballot but definitely Hall material.

Respectable list. I'll throw Dustin Brown in the ring for being the first American captain to lead his team to the Cup (x2) and leading the league in hits for a good number of years. You might say those aren't HOF stats, but they represent a career. Also, if there's a wing of the Hall for warriors, Joe Pavelski gets in there before Logan Couture.

I think its worth noting international accomplishments as well, this isn't the NHL hall of fame after all.

Zdeno Chara gets in the Hall on the “being able to play on stilts” category

Dustin Brown captained the Kings to 2 Stanley Cups and for that I definitely think he could get in someday. There's no way he's first ballot, but I could see him being one of those players who retires and then 30 years later he gets inducted.

It would be so cool to see Crosby, Ovi, and Malkin make the hall the same year. Granted, that's coming from a pens fan.

Still shocked Brind Amour hasn't made HOF yet

Crosby is the better all around player ovi is the better goal scorer

Here's my thought on Kessel. Since his rookie year, he's has the seventh most goals scored (391) of any player. He'll likely finish with over 400 goals and will come close 1000 points for his career. The two Cup rings will also help his case since he was a huge part of those Cup winning teams, leading the Pens in playoff points during the 2015-16 season (fourth overall) and finishing third in playoff points in 2016-17 (behind Crosby/Malkin). He won't get in on his first ballot, but he'll eventually get in. I'm also kinda surprised by the Taylor Hall omission. I'm also not a fan of his, but the Hart Trophy win might be enough get him in. He likely won't get in on his a first ballot, but in a weak year I can see him getting in.

When it's all said and done, I feel like Pasta might have to make it in the HoF. He's become one of the best goal scorers in the league right now and he's only got room to grow. If he plays like he is right now, and for long enough, he's going to get in. Mark my words. Also, Tuukka holds the wins record for the Bruins (a franchise that's almost 100 years old), 2nd in shutouts behind Tiny Thompson, and I think was instrumental in getting the Bruins to the Finals in 2019 as well as earning the team 2 President's Trophies in his tenure. I think the 2 Finals losses will taint it a bit, but he gets in, imo

I think Eric Staal deserves it. I watched that cup win pretty close after WHAT THEY DID TO KOIVU! Staal was a monster. 28 points in 25 games. I think in this day and age 1000+ pts and a deserved cup ring (Cam Ward's performance overshadowed his because he basically came in out of nowhere) should get you there.

Suter and Weber going in together would be an underrated HOF reunion

Banger video

I think if Bishop can get a cup he should be there and so should Radulov but yeah, and Jamie Benn has gotten an Art Ross before so if he gets a cup and can keep playing for a while longer and maybe get close to Modano's franchise records he can get in

Forgot to talk about Joe Pavelski. I think he makes it

What do you think of Pavelski?

Kessel’s in… two cups which Pittsburgh couldn’t have done without home and not to mention being the Iron Man, which is astounding in this day and age… He definitely gets my vote!

It would be nice to see Burns/Couture get the nod, but it'd be even nicer to see them win a Stanley.

Thoughts on the Sedin twins and Luongo making the hall?

I feel that for players you need at least 2 of 3 for personal hardware, was dominant for multiple seasons, or were key pieces in at least one Stanley cup. For goalies, it feels as if they need at least one of personal hardware or being a key part of a Stanley cup.

Maybe a few years down the line then Panarin, Barzal, Pastrnak even Eichel (if he can move to a different team) would be HoF consideration

John Carlson is a tough one to call, he had a bit of a slow start to his career. He puts up really solid numbers for a d-man and was a bit robbed for the Norris. Him having a cup win will definitely help his chances, but I think if he either wins a Norris or plays a major role in another cup win he will be a lock for the hall. Same kinda goes for Brent Burns, I think his stats are probably worthy of a spot in the hall, but he might have to either win another Norris or finally get a cup to be a lock.

Ilya Mikheyev

Tim Thomas has 2 Vezinas is the oldest to ever win one a conn smythe and cup he deserves at least a conversation

I would love a video of EAST vs WEST (traditional divisions not covid times) as a comparison and which division you think is the best conference. I personally think its the East

You have to count with one spot for JJ68, when he stops playing (sometime around Matthews ... )

Those Sharks jerseys in the thumbnail are the best Sharks ever had.

I know some people may scoff, but I would really love to see Pekka Rinne get in. The NHL probably wants representation from all 32 teams and Rinne will absolutely get his number retired in Nashville once he hangs it up. He's the winningest Finnish goalie of all time with 59 shutouts (also the highest total by a Finn) with a career .917 percentage. Maybe not a marquee career but it would be nice to see a career Predator finally make it in

You should have also considered international achievements. For example, even though Getzlaf may not have enough based purely on NHL accolades he could get in based off of being a contributor to those Canadian Olympic and World Cup teams

Chara will be in the HHOF, Hedman too especially if he wins another cup and Norris