WHO KILLED WHO in Scream VI (2023)
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Күн бұрынWho was behind the Ghostface mask for every kill, attack, and phone call in SCREAM VI? How did the Kirsch family fake their identities and plan their villainous scheme? Did Ethan even kill anyone? Was Wayne even a real cop? How did Quinn fake her death? Are there too many plot holes for this to all make sense?. ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS WILL BE ANSWERED in this video, as we do an in depth break down of the Ghostface killer plots (BOTH OF THEM!!), to get the best understanding of everything that we didn't see on screen in Scream VI.
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0:00 Intro
1:55 Sponsored Ad: Don't Get Stabbed
2:49 Laura's Kill
3:37 Kirsch Family Background
6:02 Greg and Jason's Kills
8:09 Saturday Night Timeline
13:38 Sam's Call
16:08 Bodega Kills
20:12 Dr. Stone Kill
25:11 Billy Loomis Mask
27:36 Apartment Kills
35:13 Faking Quinn's Death
37:10 Kirsch Family Scheme
39:10 Gale's Call and Attack
41:41 Subway Attack
44:21 Shrine Ghostfaces
46:20 Killer Schedule / Final Tally
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@ZackCherry 7 ай бұрын
Just because I’ve seen enough people raise this question about the shrine evidence: As Gale implies, cops like money. Wayne doesn’t have to be a cop to get that stuff, he just has to have money to buy it. Money a career criminal would probably have.
@CarlosEduardo-qt7cd 7 ай бұрын
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@londonwatson3158 7 ай бұрын
I love your channel!
@MathiasEggimann 7 ай бұрын
The shrine is still a stupid thing, money or not.
@kleofirs8075 7 ай бұрын
No.The killer in the store was Ethan.The actor himself took off his mask after the scene and it was Jack Champion
@jackdavy97 7 ай бұрын
I did think as soon as I saw images of a shine I immediately thought "well this would be police evidence, and here we have a Detective joining the cast" so I instantly suspected Bailey based on this alone. It just makes sense right? So I disagree with you saying, You don't need to be a cop to get items restricted and stored in police evidence, you just need to have money. Who do you know that has bought items connected to a bloody murder spree, simply because he/she had money? I really can't see that happening. But have you heard of anyone doing that? (Genuinely asking. Not being sassy haha) :)
@bluewaterdragon0292 7 ай бұрын
I love the idea that wayne divided murder duties the same way some parents divide chores 😂
@igreatlyandpowerfullydisag3681 6 ай бұрын
"Alright, kids, you've gotta do your chores or we don't get to avenge your brother"
@bggsz4 7 ай бұрын
Jack Champion playing the Ghostface in the apartment scene is another reason why I think it's Ethan even though the stunt actor doesn't really determine who's behind the mask.
@TheGhostfaceWithTheMost 7 ай бұрын
There's a difference between "playing Ghostface in the apartment scene" and "being in the costume when Ghostface is literally just standing there". Jack didn't do any of the action stuff. It was only the moment when he's standing behind Quinn.
@lexdadominator2.096 7 ай бұрын
Jack only was standing behind Quinn. Max the stuntman did everything else
@micahbell5572 7 ай бұрын
Doesn't really mean anything. In the first film while Billy was pretending to be dead and Stu was creeping up on Randy that was Skeet Ulrich wearing the costume, not Matthew Lillard.
@Joker_JAK 7 ай бұрын
@@micahbell5572Craven said he filmed that moment with both Skeet and Lillard under the mask and doesn't know who's take he used.
@thoonk5160 7 ай бұрын
i think one of the filmakers explicitly said "if youre looking at the heights of the stunt actor in the costume, your focusing on the wrong things" at some point
@kimberlyterasaki4843 7 ай бұрын
I think Ethan having been in a 100+ person study hall is meant to be the perfect alibi because yeah, he was supposedly there with a hundred witnesses, but nobody actually knows each others' names in those study halls unless they're intentionally studying together. It makes the most sense for him to be the killer and for his dad and Quinn to be doing the body switch in the background while he's trying to break down the door.
@JDJoshofficial 7 ай бұрын
It would also be easier for him to walk out of there to go kill as Ghostface and nobody would even notice he left
@katherineannh 7 ай бұрын
Agreed. Especially since the franchise has always talked about small classes being intimate enough that it’s weird when someone from your regular class / seminar is killed (like the film classes in Scream 2, or Tara knowing the guys from her film class earlier in this movie), whereas a huge lecture hall class is like, nobody notices/cares who is in the class.
@the_petty_crocker 7 ай бұрын
Agreed, but it makes no sense if the study hall was supposed to be held on a Sunday night. Study halls can be that large, especially with an introductory course, but it's doubtful an organized event would be scheduled on the weekend and 100 students voluntarily show up. Something like that would be scheduled on the regular and Chad, as Ethan's roommate would know that, so there would be no question for Chad even to ask Ethan where he had been.
@ProphetMisfit09 7 ай бұрын
And the same thing happened in the first Scream when Stu's alibi was with Tatum, but he was still present to assist killing Casey and Steve.
@d_d_d_d_ 7 ай бұрын
exactly idk why we spent 400 hours discussing it 😭
@sfac1717 7 ай бұрын
I don’t think Quinn’s phone call is a plot hole. She says “yeah I know she’s my roommate but you’re like… the police”, and then Quinn says “she’s really freaked out and paranoid”. I think it’s very plausible that this conversation isn’t “fake” it sounds like it could be Quinn and Wayne talking about strategies of getting after Sam / how they are gonna approach the rest of their plan. Nothing she actually says implies she is having a fake convo
@gagedylanYT 7 ай бұрын
I’ve always thought the same thing!
@josephgibson5902 7 ай бұрын
I need to rewatch the movie. If that's all that is actually said, then it's less a case of "asspull to keep the twist intact" and more a Murder of Roger Ackroyd type misdirection
@gagedylanYT 7 ай бұрын
@@josephgibson5902 My thoughts exactly. Zack is usually spot on but I have to disagree with him. This conversation was placed perfectly in the movie to misdirect.
@Queen_Kellz_1120 7 ай бұрын
I agree ... While seeming to _care_ as the _police_ about Sam and the others meanwhile they were plotting their next move ... This seems more likely than the fake phone Convo thing
@Le_re1102 7 ай бұрын
I think that the Quinn’s bedroom fakeout where it looks like she’s completely unaware to Ghostface in her room is actually for Danny as opposed to just viewers. What we see, Quinn laid on the phone to her dad whilst Ghostface stands behind her, is exactly what Danny sees. So it’s not really that dumb or illogical. It’s serving as a performance for Danny, who Quinn probably knew could be a potential witness since she knows his apartment overlooks theirs.
@billy28061100 7 ай бұрын
it's crazy how someone who's so "into analyzing and paying attention to detail" wouldn't realize something like that 💀💀💀💀 quinn having a fake moment cuz danny's watching made sense it was just the way it was executed they should have shown her getting attacked instead of that dumbass phone call
@TonyB2279 6 ай бұрын
How could they have known Danny would happen to look over and see them? Or that Sam would let his call go to voicemail?
@Mag3YT 5 ай бұрын
@@TonyB2279Because when we first meet Quinn, Sam states how shes not ready for romance. That explains the voicemail situation. And for Danny looking over, that is the window Sam and Quinn look at him from earlier, probably meaning he is around that area a lot
@LoganWH8 7 ай бұрын
If I were to guess, I would assume that Ethan’s false alibi for the apartment attack worked because students actually at the lecture or whatever wouldn’t actually be very reliable witnesses. Ethan’s appearance is very generic and unassuming, he has an average build, he wears plain clothes, he has a fairly common haircut, and he doesn’t really have any particularly distinguishing features. As someone who had evening classes in college, I can tell you, that was when my apathy was at its peak. If you asked me if a particular student was in that class the next day, by name or with a picture, my response would be “uh, yeah, I think so.”, “Uh, probably?”, “Maybe? I don’t remember.”, or “I don’t know, I wasn’t paying attention.” And I imagine that would be the kind of response Chad and Mindy would’ve gotten from whoever they asked “Did you see this generic white boy at your economics class last night?” Somewhere in the range of yes to maybe.
@TheQuietRiotProductions 7 ай бұрын
I wouldn’t consider it a very reliable alibi either. Especially when there are supposed to be that many students.
@Hazeljv3 7 ай бұрын
I'm teaching a university class of 25 this term, and it took me probably 3 weeks to really be able to tell apart the 5 tall white guys with brown wavy/curly hair in my class. Ethan would 1000% completely blend into a class that big, even if he was present - so yeah, definitely not an ironclad alibi.
@vailingbow1068 7 ай бұрын
True. But that's assuming the study session wasn't a planned group thing. At the least, Ethan could've showed his mug to people there briefly then leave.
@ktownshutdown21 7 ай бұрын
He could probably easily slip in & out of such a large crowd without anyone really noticing, or that anything was afoot about him leaving and/or arriving.
@billy28061100 7 ай бұрын
then why would he use it if it's not reliable???? LMAO
@Matter-Dark 7 ай бұрын
The whole “DNA in the masks” thing can be applied to all the films. Billy and Stu planned to frame Neil, but the cops would’ve found their DNA in the masks, not Neil’s. Same thing with Scream 3 & 4
@ZackCherry 7 ай бұрын
It’s true, it can be applied to all films. But this is the only film that establishes the rules of DNA tracing.
@Matter-Dark 7 ай бұрын
@@ZackCherry You’re right. But it still doesn’t really bother me much. I just chalk up the killer’s plans in these movies not making sense to them being crazy lunatics who have a lot of unearned self-confidence.
@Marcus616 7 ай бұрын
Plus it would’ve had Sidney’s DNA since she wore the mask right before she stabbed Billy with the umbrella.
@MrRockstar402 4 ай бұрын
In case anybody what DNA would be in the masks, it'd be skin cells and saliva mainly, maybe even a loose hair.
@hamishlinden9758 2 ай бұрын
Was that kind of equipment available in 1996?
@mitxxca 7 ай бұрын
Wayne most definitely was the Bodega GF killer. He could have used meeting Sam at the precinct as an excuse to leave the crime scene.
@KJCK4 7 ай бұрын
That’s still crazy for him to run down to there house that quick change and do everything he did especially since he’s a middle aged man I thought it was the son until Zach said he’s was in the apartment
@sunnyshea8587 7 ай бұрын
he is a police officer/detective too. someone capable to shoot a SHOTGUN with one hand.
@memecity9849 7 ай бұрын
The funniest shit is when Officer Bailey ran towards Sam, yelling at her with a loaded gun instead of just shooting her lol
@jw9945 7 ай бұрын
Right? Like what would’ve been so hard about stating that he was out of ammo too?! He was literally popping rounds off at Kirby and Tara. So avoidable and as much as I like this movie I cannot defend that goof
@memecity9849 7 ай бұрын
@@jw9945 lol I love that goof. It gives me something to laugh about.
@hybrid8557 7 ай бұрын
Bro I was rewatching scream 6 yesterday and I saw that and I was like why would he run at her and he has a whole loaded gun 😂
@dapuzzo2 7 ай бұрын
I can’t stand that moment. So goofy. haha. They could’ve easily fixed that and just had him run out of bullets as well before that.
@oliviav.3565 7 ай бұрын
Of all the goofy things in the movie, I let this one go. Think of it as him being so stunned that his two remaining children were just killed, he ran at Sam in a fit of rage wanting to do her in with his bare hands.
@YourAverageFan 7 ай бұрын
It’s 100% possible for Ethan to have been in his class and left/shown up late and people say they saw him there. Hardly a rock solid alibi.
@allura9163 7 ай бұрын
I feel that Ethan helping Mindy was actually a smart play on his part. Cameras would reveal that they were together/he got on the subway with her. Not to mention anyone else in the car could place them together if asked by the police. All it would take was one bystander telling an officer “yeah, there was a guy with her but he left without her” to reveal Ethan as a killer and from there an easy connection to Bailey and Quinn as I can’t imagine it would take too much digging to find out they’re all related
@silentsaturn7604 7 ай бұрын
But he wasn't with her, he was further down the wagon. He just needed to pretend to not see her and leave.
@mayfielcl 7 ай бұрын
@@silentsaturn7604the others knew he was with her so if they call someone they would be questioning where he went so no
@lloydm95 7 ай бұрын
He could have easily shouted out its our stop and walked out with a crowd or just faked getting pushed out by a large crowd in the subway.
@theclairewhy 7 ай бұрын
Plus once the whole master plan succeeds and the Kirsches are home free, any suspicion thrown Ethan's way could be easily alleviated with "I literally saved Mindy's life, how could I be part of a killer pact?"
@billy28061100 7 ай бұрын
@@lloydm95but they still woulda been suspicious of him cuz he didn't save her.... LMAO
@ElliotfromOrlando 7 ай бұрын
Quinn is playing to Danny through the window. She is mimicking talking on the phone because she knows Danny’s watching. The whole thing is a benefit for Danny so that he would alibi her.
@ZackCherry 7 ай бұрын
I dunno about that though. Danny can’t hear the conversation.
@ElliotfromOrlando 7 ай бұрын
@@ZackCherry But he doesn’t have to. He just needs to see her on the phone looking away from Ghostface. The particular conversation might not matter at that point. And there is something to the idea that her conversation with her father is actually a real one while he’s under the mask. At least that’s my read on it.
@ultrabigfella 7 ай бұрын
@@ZackCherryit's easier to actually talk a real conversation on a phone than to fake a conversation or just mouth words.
@Joker_JAK 7 ай бұрын
@@ultrabigfellaNot only that, but Quinn didn't know that her "boyfriend" or anyone else wasn't listening in on her.
@CareBearCub 7 ай бұрын
You're forgetting her boyfriend just in the other room, he would probably be able to hear the conversation though the door...@@ZackCherry
@matthewscorner2990 7 ай бұрын
I will say, I don't think Ethan saving Mindy on the subway was that bizarre. Remember, he was in public and saw her injured on the train. It would have looked suspicious (or at least he may have thought it would look suspicious) if he just walked away from a body he very obviously saw. On top of that, if she had survived the attack, his only option to maintain his innocence would be to save her, since if she'd seen him walk away, she absolutely would have called him out on it to the others. And it's not like he could have finished the job when he saw that Quinn hadn't due to the public view.
@MohamedAhmed-wl3tn 7 ай бұрын
I do not think Gale's boyfriend was thrown rather he was just pushed. I mean, the crash may have been louder if Quinn had more strength, but I think being the daughter of a cop may imply that Quinn had been trained physically along with her brother, hence why Ethan was able to bust through the door at the apartment.
@silentsaturn7604 7 ай бұрын
I also think he was pushed or kicked through the shelf. I don't think either of the three would have had the strength to pick him up and throw him.
@tgabz 7 ай бұрын
that's what i always thought too, and everytime someone brings this up as a "plot hole" i always think to myself "BUT HE WAS PUSHED!!!!!"
@bombastic__sideeye 7 ай бұрын
Same! If people pay attention to the scene after he's been "thrown" through the glass gf steps off a platform
@billy28061100 7 ай бұрын
@@bombastic__sideeyeshe wouldn't have been strong enough to drag him or pick his body up either.... LMAO
@josephgibson5902 7 ай бұрын
I love the idea that Wayne exhaustively trained his kids to have the proper footwork so they wouldn't trip on everything but forgot to train them on how to stab properly
@purplicious322 6 ай бұрын
Fun Fact: Someone not considered a serial killer unless they've killed at least 3 people. By that definition the character Ghost Face definitely is a serial killer, but by each person's kill count, Wayne and Ethan can be classified as serial killers, but Quinn cannot as she only killed one person. She could've been classified as a serial killer if she did manage to kill Gale and Mindy.
@what_idlp 2 ай бұрын
Not that I disagree are because I do agree by the kills of the movie but,outside of the movie we don’t really know what else they could have done especially with the skill they all showed in the gf costume I would consider them to most likely be serial killers as all of them turned into killers including Richie so even though it’s not confirmed and never will be as we truly will not know if he even is most likely right with who did what I consider them all to be serial killers because of what they might of done outside of what we know
@purplicious322 2 ай бұрын
@@what_idlp naw u right
@Le_re1102 7 ай бұрын
If Mindy survived the stabbing with Ethan’s intervention I honestly think it would have increased her suspicions even more. It’s common knowledge that there’s typically more than one killer. Yeah Ethan was clearly not the one who stabbed her but her main suspect suddenly disappears after she’s been attacked even though he was staring at her for most the train journey so surely couldn’t have missed her collapsed body? I think of Ethan saving her as damage control.
@antheathetiefling8581 7 ай бұрын
Is it possible that Quinn's phone call does have two purposes? 1) as someone pointed out, could be for Danny's benefit- a witness to her "death" 2) the others are outside the room and her boyfriend is in the bathroom...she couldn't risk just outright saying the plan. Just in case they walked in.
@kelvinalcnatara1261 6 ай бұрын
Even Though We Mostly Agree that Quinn Was Attacking Mindy in the Subway Train Which now that I think about the Traditional Mask it’s Probably the Trace of Mickey Altieri Because All Ghost face Masks Were Shown Presented Which is Kinda Odd but Still By the Way Like the Channel~👍🏻
@Marcus616 7 ай бұрын
I think the reason Ethan went to go help Mindy was to keep him off of the suspect list. If Mindy would have seen him not helping, another subway rider could have helped her and she could have warned the others that Ethan is in fact the killer. But with him helping her, she believes that she got it wrong again and therefore no reason to warn the others that Kirby was not the killer.
@genericname34 7 ай бұрын
Plus you can see Ethan hesitate when Mindy says “I was wrong again”, as if he wanted to confess to actually being the killer
@daveoinreallife 7 ай бұрын
They need Zach Cherry to go over the script for the next movie. Just to make sure it makes sense.
@ZackCherry 7 ай бұрын
I’m available 😂😂😂
@Marcus616 7 ай бұрын
@@ZackCherry I absolutely love your Scream videos, but IMO, it doesn't have to make 100% sense for the movie to be enjoyable. Not every Scream movie needs to make 100% sense to be enjoyable. As long as I have a great time watching the franchise, I can overlook the logistics of who killed who and if it makes sense. Here’s my answer to anything that doesn't make sense: there's a secret killer that's never been revealed who has been participating since the first Scream. 🤷🏻♂️
@brianpeople 7 ай бұрын
I 100% believe that Ethan was behind the Apartment attack. He could have easily pulled the attack on, ditched the costume, & went to Econ right after or he could have been at Econ prior, left to do the attack, & went back.
@Matter-Dark 7 ай бұрын
The study hall is actually a good alibi. Out of those 100 kids, would any of them would’ve noticed whether Ethan was there or not. If asked, they probably would’ve said “I don’t know, maybe.” or “Yeah, I think so.”
@banaqos 7 ай бұрын
I agree somewhat. I think people would say it’s quite weak because of how unpopular he seemed (judging by the party scene with Chad, he seemed to only be friends with him) or just how basic looking he is which is subjective opinion. Additionally, people were there to study, how could anyone truly remember him being there? It’s just strange lol
@S.C.2 6 ай бұрын
The way I see Ethan's alibi is that he said he was at econ, but he didn't say when or how long he was there. I think it's like how at the beginning of the first film, both Billy and Stu's alibis were "I was at my girlfriend's house." Ethan probably did go to the study hall, but still had time to be Ghostface.
@Cookie12670 7 ай бұрын
Videos like this bring me so much joy especially on a dreary Monday morning. I appreciate all the hard work you do to get these out. Zack, you are awesome!
@ZackCherry 7 ай бұрын
Thank you! Happy Monday!
@daveoinreallife 7 ай бұрын
I did once think Bailey killed Dr. Stone, only because I thought it was questionable why he changed his clothes. If it's the same day, (which it is), that means in between questioning Sam and Tara at the station, and presenting Kirby with the mask found at the Dr. Stone crime scene, he changed his attire.
@hsmorg3640 7 ай бұрын
That is such a good catch, I legit would've never noticed.. I liked the idea of them each having their own day to kill, but I just can't fathom Ethan being strong enough to smash through the window, or at least knowing where to hit it to make it smash.. The only thing that makes it unlikely to be Bailey is the timeframe, but it was a relatively quick kill, and snatch of documents, and he would likely need to change his clothes from blood getting through the Ghostface costume Edit: or even change his clothes from sweating on that jog to the Dr's house
@sunnyshea8587 7 ай бұрын
@@hsmorg3640jack champion (the actor) is built, i know this doesn’t mean anything but this is just to note. ethan’s nerd/dorky persona was an act before the third act. ethan could be more than capable enough to smash thru the door, just like amber killing dewey in scream 5 (“not being strong enough”)
@charlesdgriffith4518 7 ай бұрын
@@hsmorg3640 this was ethans kill bailey was at the station when stones murder occured
@lunajohnson7091 7 ай бұрын
@@sunnyshea8587nahh Wayne had to do the therapist
@lunajohnson7091 7 ай бұрын
It had to be Wayne…
@TallMist 7 ай бұрын
I love the little detail in the scene of Gale's apartment, of Quinn being like "All those mmmmmuscles sure didn't help him much" because she's supposed to be the sex positive character of the group, and very sexually active, so of course she'd lust after a man she found attractive, even if she did end up killing him. Nice touch.
@silentsaturn7604 7 ай бұрын
I saw that more as a play on "Oh look a skinny teenage girl killed a big strong man, how about that". But it works both ways.
@infantkiller64 7 ай бұрын
I mean, bro's done dirty, he's ambushed and stabbed in the neck 💀 he's dead from the get go and can't fight back.
@billy28061100 7 ай бұрын
@@silentsaturn7604LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
@Capricorn152 7 ай бұрын
34:00 It could also be the Danny of it all. There's a significant beat at the end of Quinn's introduction scene with Sam where she's not only checking out the shirtless Danny but also the apartment. It could be as simple as staging it, knowing that Danny is across the way and in Quinn's room's direct eyeline so that there is at least one witness to the 'attack'. The talking on the phone works as misdirection as well in case Paul were to be within earshot.
@aidanlau390 7 ай бұрын
I feel like most of the holes in the killers’ plans in any of the movies can just be attributed to none of them being completely mentally stable. But I do think some of the issues with their plan in this one do have some more valid excuses. Like with Ethan’s econ excuse, I think it’s possible that he was actually in a study group and then slipped away during it to commit the apartment attack and returned there after. I doubt any other students who were there would remember if/when he would have left and come back especially if they’re focused on their work. Especially since there would be so many other people there and Ethan doesn’t come off as particularly popular it makes some sense that not everyone would remember him leaving. Obviously there’s issues with that but I think it’s more plausible than Ethan either completely making it up or the Core 4 just being lazy in looking into it. Then in the actual apartment scene I think Quinn could have actually been talking to Wayne on the phone and could have just been talking about the attacks as if they weren’t involved in order to throw off Danny. As far as the subway goes, I thought that Ethan went to help Mindy so that she could clear his name while talking to the authorities at the hospital and he just failed to predict that she would figure out it was him and Wayne so soon.
@liv4rhodes 6 ай бұрын
okay but WHO is mentally stable 😶
@secondeye1574 7 ай бұрын
Seeing that Greg has a killer poster made me laugh aloud. The fact that Scream VI introduces the most killers than any other film (and by a margin of 3!) but they’re all at the bottom of the list is simply laughable
@Raidergmd 7 ай бұрын
I liked Wayne and quinn but other ones I didn't like
@astoldbywhomever9756 7 ай бұрын
Love you Zack I know it has probably been stressful having so many people asking for this episode for months now. But you killed it bro. Thanks for putting in all the work you’re a true genius. ❤
@lunaklovegood33 7 ай бұрын
hehe, KILLED it.
@angelnegrete4163 7 ай бұрын
I’ve always thought about it this way. All of the killers have two kills/attacks each. Wanyne did the intro & bodega scene, Ethan killed the therapist & the apartment scene & Quinn tried to kill mindy and attacked gale! That’s 2 each
@silentsaturn7604 7 ай бұрын
Brooks?
@angelnegrete4163 6 ай бұрын
@@silentsaturn7604 huh?
@tbm5498 6 ай бұрын
@@angelnegrete4163Gale’s boyfriend
@MohamedAhmed-wl3tn 7 ай бұрын
I have a hard time believing that the person who killed Dr. Stone was anyone but Detective Bailey,. I mean, minus the fact that the killer was able to punch through the door with ease, Bailey just interrogated both Sam and Tara and was given information from Sam about who her therapist was. Considering that the station is closer to the therapy office than the apartment Quinn may be at, it could insinuate that Bailey DID have the time to make it to the office. Ethan probably couldn't have left his dorm room around this kill or else Chad would have noticed the timing of the therapist's kill and Ethan's departure.
@WorldedGGGG 7 ай бұрын
for the apartment kills it is ethan, my main suspicion being later when wayne explains how he faked quins death, he says "first on the scene so I could swap out the body with a fresh one" meaning he was already preparing it, making it ethan
@dbl2961 7 ай бұрын
I think it’s possible that when they first started their plan they found someone who looks similar to Quinn then, took her identity and held her body until they needed it.
@infantkiller64 7 ай бұрын
If that's the case, then they prolly only killed the body extra while staging the apartment attack. Because autopsies can determine the time of a person's death. Just imagine the scenario at the station be like: "Wayne, how the fuck is your daughter dead for a few days already when she's killed last night?"
@dbl2961 7 ай бұрын
@@infantkiller64 maybe they just kidnapped her.
@GuyWithChainsaw 7 ай бұрын
I think Ethan went to help Mindy to get her phone away from her. Later in the movie Mindy's friends try to call her and she doesn't pick up. I think if her phone was on her, the hospital stuff would pick up. Worried gang would rush to the hospital and the plan to finish the kills in the shrine would be a no go. It was also an opportunity for Ethan to build himself an alibi. He tried to save Mindy so he couldn't be the killer. On the contrary, if someone realised or witnessed Ethan, just leaving Mindy in the metro, the suspicion would fall on him. I know It's a metro. but It's possible during the investigation that they would find witnesses that could incriminate Ethan. I disagree that Ethan would be incriminated if he left Mindy after the help arrived. He could easily make an excuse that he went to the gang to warn them and his phone died or something. Since Mindy got help, he felt he was free to go. Mindy is not a cop either so a small excuse like that would make her unable to prove anything even if she believed Ethan was the killer.
@bombastic__sideeye 7 ай бұрын
This makes sense because now I'm wondering towards the end why couldn't Mindy had texted or call that she figured out who the killers were, she had no business running down AFTER everything was said & done
@billy28061100 7 ай бұрын
wouldn't mindy have seen ethan take the phone away?????
@carat_light 7 ай бұрын
@@billy28061100to be fair she was just stabbed and bleeding out so even if she did notice she probably couldn't do much about it
@billy28061100 7 ай бұрын
@@carat_light but she still woulda mentioned that he took her phone which would immediately let the police know that he's the killer....
@carat_light 7 ай бұрын
@@billy28061100 well yes but he obviously ended up running away to the act 3 location and mindy somehow knew it was him at arrival so it wouldn't really change much
@daverichards9141 7 ай бұрын
Pretty sure Wayne is a cop. I thought his ability to access evidence rooms was how he amassed the shrine.
@MelissaSanchez-ff9mq 6 ай бұрын
I will say regarding the scene with Quinn on the phone, whether you interpret it as her ignoring Ethan or as her genuinely not knowing he’s there, that is the most sibling like behavior from them in the whole movie. Like if she’s purposefully ignoring him to talk to their dad, my older sibling has 1000% done that to me. And if he’s sneaking up on her to spook her a bit I’ve also done that to a sibling. I know we want to think of them as being completely calculated at all times but this is also the first time ghostface has been played by a family, so sometimes the nonsensical behavior can be explained by the fact that siblings will do the weirdest stuff just to mess with each other. Obviously that can feel like a bit of a copout, but anybody who has a sibling can attest to the fact that sometimes you will just stand there behind them for the longest time waiting for them to turn around just to see if you can get them to jump a bit.
@Davethehairlesscat 7 ай бұрын
I think Quinn probably killed dr. stone because ethan would’ve been with chad, he probably switched with quinn then rather then the next day
@lunajohnson7091 7 ай бұрын
There’s no proof he was with chad
@ilovezoom3719 7 ай бұрын
Nah Quinn probably had her boyfriend over or some dude there 💀
@what_idlp 2 ай бұрын
@@lunajohnson7091there might not be no proof but it is something to take into consideration cause out of all of them Quinn would have been more open to do the kill Tara and Sam were at the police station leaving here there by herself,while Ethan who is roommates with Chad wouldn’t be was open to do that kill considering the kill was early that morning and then she would have then just passed the mask off to Ethan before setting up her fake death
@lunajohnson7091 17 күн бұрын
@@what_idlpno it’s not since there’s no evidence lol
@what_idlp 17 күн бұрын
@@lunajohnson7091 there doesn’t need to be evidence to make a reasonable conclusion ,and the “evidence”in this video is all head cannon atleast most of it including the killer schedule even if it it makes sense that it might be cannon
@Seanny313 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for this zack! Watched all the way through, keep up the great work!
@Nintendoshi 7 ай бұрын
So my question is why is Quinn in her bedroom turning around and not looking at ghostface *not* for the benefit of Danny's viewpoint only? Yes, the conversation doesn't really make sense, but I'm struggling to understand the confusion behind her pretending ghostface isn't in the room. I feel as though it was a group call, this a whole set up for Danny specifically to get a picture of the attack, and yes it absolutely fools the audience, but if that clip were left in, she's still just getting up pretending like she's shocked to hear a thud, while Danny watches on, trying to get her attention or Sam's. The only reason it is Wayne on the phone is because the writer's followed up on what Kirby asked Wayne to do, and also tricking the audience in thinking this is a conversation between two innocent people worried about the state of Sam. Great analysis as always, but I feel like I misunderstood something in that segment.
@mauradr 7 ай бұрын
Ethan’s Econ alibi is NOT airtight. Unless he has a friend or acquaintance he sits with, no one in that lecture is going to notice whether he’s there or not. The confirmation later on is most likely confirming that the class he’s in took place, but they have no real way of knowing whether he actually attended
@banaqos 7 ай бұрын
It seems unlikely he had friends or anyone paid attention to him. People were there to study. He also did not seem to have that many friends judging by how the party scene with Chad went.
@vvsYoni 7 ай бұрын
i love you so much and thank you for uploading this !😭💕💕💕
@MrLegendsTV 7 ай бұрын
It is so evident how much effort goes into each of these videos. Thanks for this. Love it.
@Deseko 7 ай бұрын
Fantastic analysis as always!
@scottyboyrulez 7 ай бұрын
My thought is that Etjan was thinking on his feet when saving Mindy bc if he had just left, there would've been witnesses to her telling him to back off causing him to be a suspect. So him saving mindy would frame himself as a friend to those witnesses & they wouldn't suspect him.
@dapuzzo2 7 ай бұрын
Your attention to detail is insane man. Appreciate you! Love these.
@JaSoNfAn222 7 ай бұрын
Absolutely love these videos breaking the scream movies down scene by scene ❤ Keep up the good work Zack . Hopefully this will make me enjoy the film a little more . I've really struggled to find much enjoyment in the last two scream films . Hopefully 7 gets us back on track .
@angel08235 7 ай бұрын
Thank you for always backing up your analysis with logical reasoning. Some people throw out a random subjective thing and think they figured it all out.
@donatellod.dabbins3609 7 ай бұрын
Could you imagine a movie from the killers point of veiw? Just watching them do all this goofy shit, like setting up all these elaborate plans. Thinking about a scene of Wayne dragging a dead body up flights of stairs just to fake Quinn's death before anybody could find out is hilarious, or watching Charlie sit in the closet and wait for Olivia in Scream 4. He'd probably be hyping himself up. "You got this, Jill is gonna think you're so bad ass!"😂
@MathiasEggimann 7 ай бұрын
Behind the Mask - The Rise of Leslie Vernon did that. Showed his plans and mapped out everything.
@tarantinoish 7 ай бұрын
“Yeah, Jill is going to be so into you when you guys pull this off. You’re the man Charlie, don’t let anyone ever tell you different. Jill is into you and you guys are going to be happy and have mental little kids together. It’s going to be great. All right, time for stabbin’ now Charlie, let’s do this. Murder time!”
@february.kai1939 7 ай бұрын
It’s a good day when Zack uploads :)
@Queen_Kellz_1120 7 ай бұрын
Oh I've been waiting for this ... Thanks Zack 💜
@TootieFruutie 7 ай бұрын
this video is incredibly well done, great job!
@15041985 7 ай бұрын
One of the only channels whose videos are worth the wait
@kcscorner954 7 ай бұрын
i LOVE how in depth and logical these are omg
@SurvivorRyan13 7 ай бұрын
Fantastic video loved it and respect the effort.
@brentus86 7 ай бұрын
Outstanding work as always!
@Qrvcoi 7 ай бұрын
Wayne killed Jason and Greg because when Ghostface attacks Jason he says" who gives a fuck about movies" and in the final act when Sam calls Wayne saying" what's your favorite Scary movie?" Wayne responds to Scary Movie? with a sarcastic tone so you can assume that Wayne was the one who killed Jason and Greg. Bodega's Ghostface was Ethan because the Ghostface who called Sam was probably Bailey because the tone he speaks is the same as the ghostface who attacked Jason and Greg and it would be impossible to be Quinn who called because she was with Paul 2.0 if you take into consideration that the Ghostface that attacks Tara has nothing in his hand that indicates he called, when Tara pushes him grunt with the same voice as Ethan (you can check it in the RSM EDITS video) it would be impossible to be Wayne as it is shown in a previous scene that he was at Jason and Greg's crime scene and a detective takes about 4-5 hours to analyze a body and there were two bodies, Jason and Greg's it would be impossible to be Wayne and when Wayne finally arrives at the police station it indicates that he had just arrived at the police station to take Sam and Tara's statement, so it would be impossible for him to be Bodega's Ghostface. Before any complaints Wayne could obviously teach Ethan and Quinn police techniques as Quinn disarmed Gale. each Ghostface uses a different boot, Ethan uses the same boot as the Ghostface from the bodega and from the therapist attack and the one from the apartment (if you wonder how Ethan is the Ghostface from the apartment, look when Sam hits Ghostface in the face. Ethan appears with a bruise on the face on the same side that Sam hit Ghostface)
@TheFuzzyGummybear 7 ай бұрын
I think Ethan helped Mindy because he thought she was done for and it was all for show to throw off everyone for the big reveal at the end
@Matter-Dark 7 ай бұрын
I feel like he accidentally made eye contact, and realized he had to help her just in case she made it.
@banaqos 7 ай бұрын
Either Quinn missed her chance at killing her, or it was a set up to paint Ethan as an innocent bystander. Either way, it’s quite weak since she would have never made it to the Shrine with the rest of the group (dead or injured)
@Brothers2xtreme 7 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for posting this! I’ve been waiting months for this. Tysm🙏🎉
@heather7895 7 ай бұрын
Amazing video, Zach! I always appreciate your attention to detail in your content.
@Ghostface-1996 7 ай бұрын
1st one here!!! Absolutely phenomenal job Zack. The editing, the production. Wow.
@GavinReadsItAll 7 ай бұрын
Always appreciate the effort and dedication in these videos, you deserve all the praise 🙌🏼
@user-fb4sb1zi8g 7 ай бұрын
Your videos are the most well thought out I’ve seen. 👏 👏 👏
@MrJordPrice 7 ай бұрын
Been WAITING for this video, I’m so ready for the next hour 🎉🎉
@Wammus85 7 ай бұрын
Just the fact that this is a 49 minute video and it's you who made it i'm gonna asume it's a great annalasis. I'm at the Jason part now and i do have 1 question. If the ghostface who kills him is the same as the one who calls him, how is it then possible that Jason didn't hear the voice? He was in the same apartment and talking on a normal volume wich he should have heard.
@ZackCherry 7 ай бұрын
He was in a different room / the movie playing on the tv would have drowned out any other noise in the apt. I think it’s fair to suspend disbelief in a case like this, but when it’s in the same room (Gale later on, or Tara in the kitchen in S5) it starts to become questionable.
@inmyslumber 7 ай бұрын
I agree with pretty much everything, but personally I always assumed Quinn killed Dr. Stone. At that point, Tara and Sam would’ve been at the police station (so Quinn would’ve been by herself) while Ethan would’ve been at his and Chad’s apartment.
@raselahmed1503 7 ай бұрын
I at first thought before the movie was released that Dr stone was killed by Quinn but I mostly now think it's Wayne but it is possibly Quinn as well
@lunajohnson7091 22 күн бұрын
@@raselahmed1503 could be Ethan too.
@lunajohnson7091 17 күн бұрын
It had to be Wayne though
@TheRealTribalChief 7 ай бұрын
Been waiting for this one Zack man. This is gonna be good.
@Wickeddreamsofficial 7 ай бұрын
No way! You finally had the time to make it! Thank you so much for all the effort. I know this one was a pain in the ass.
@jeremyaht2213 7 ай бұрын
I hope zack gets to write for a show or movie one day.. his attention to detail is insane
@jkallday52 7 ай бұрын
A scream game would be pretty cool, they can have a story mode which is basically surviving ghost face, online or offline. And have fun chase scenes in the story Then have a mode like among us where you have to figure it out before the end and everybody is dead
@uckinill 7 ай бұрын
Crazy that I just thought to check if you’ve made this video yet, and you just happened to upload it a few days ago. WOOO
@JamesB-mg9pk 7 ай бұрын
Appreciate the work that went into this breakdown. Awesome job!
@NerdsPsychoticInterlude 7 ай бұрын
in my opinion, i think Greg was dismembered in the bathroom, as remember jason almost walks in but doesnt during the hot and cold game so he never wouldve seen the inside fully lit to actually see any blood or anything
@thomasbaker2067 7 ай бұрын
I love these Who Killed Who.
@mm277hb 7 ай бұрын
absolutely great!!! good job!
@dannigro8794 6 ай бұрын
I just watch this and the video about scream five and wow what a great analysis especially this one with there being more than two killers it’s like watching a movie all over again. You did a great job here.
@melissabrown5173 7 ай бұрын
I must say this was the most intricate and well researched "Who killed who" I've ever seen
@rahbeeuh 7 ай бұрын
These are my favorite videos of Zack's! They're a SCREAM 👻
@anthonynieto1056 7 ай бұрын
I’ve been waiting for this video to come out for SOOOOOOO LONG and it was definitely worth it!
@mc2156 7 ай бұрын
I love these breakdowns Zack!!!!
@kimberlyterasaki4843 7 ай бұрын
To be fair, I think every Ghostface would have ultimately been caught at some point, so the Kirsches are no exception. I also agree that there were a lot of dumb moves made by both the filmmakers and the Kirsch crew, as a means to draw suspicion away from them.
@alienator4684 7 ай бұрын
Nah, I think the only Ghostface that would’ve almost guaranteed gotten away with it was Mrs. Loomis. People really ignore how full proof her plan was. In terms of planning, she’s arguably the smartest Ghostface.
@infantkiller64 7 ай бұрын
@@alienator4684for real, she really looked for a dude that's already a serial killer probably killed 3-4 people before working with her to draw more of the crimes back to him. Since, you know, he's already an active serial killer.
@alienator4684 7 ай бұрын
@@infantkiller64 Exactly. Plus the fact that she was even able to manipulate him. She’s easily the most manipulative Ghostface. She’s way too underrated. Not just as a Ghostface killer, but antagonist in general.
@peterdanior4538 7 ай бұрын
Great video. And I love how you approach figuring out who did what. I do think that Bailey might be the real family name though. It makes more sense to me that Richie changed his name to kill Same than for Wayan to change his name. And as for Quinn faking her death, maybe that was part of the plan too, and they knew their DNA would be found in the mask. Also, I think Wayan is a real cop, but I think he has always been dirty. Who knows how many people he framed or killed and then covered up. Would also explain his messed up kids.
@DanCrowleyNYC 6 ай бұрын
Excellent video as always!
@twotimesfour 6 ай бұрын
Dude I love these videos! Hearing how ghostface pre meditated and what exactly went down is cool it gives me butterflys
@sistapam 7 ай бұрын
Great video, you can tell how much time and effort you put into this. For Gale’s 2nd call, the area code is 707 which is a Woodsboro area code. Modesto’s area code is 209. So I don’t think they used Richie’s phone for that, I think it was someone from Woodsboro. The movie creators confirmed the Bailey family is from somewhere in the Midwest. So who really called Gale? 🤔…thanks for making this video!
@silentsaturn7604 7 ай бұрын
If it's Ritchie's number, than in the Scream universe that's the area code for Modesto. Otherwise the characters would know it's not his.
@songsabouteverything 7 ай бұрын
💯💯💯
@Hideyoshi-Kurosawa 7 ай бұрын
The only problem for me with Gale's call Nº1 is when they talk about "legacy characters" is just what Mindy say and just Quinn and Ethan where there listen to her. So by fact must be Quinn who did that call and at the same time a big mistake and error from the movie itself
@milanek1527 7 ай бұрын
What if Stu or a 4th killer came back to kill the Legacy characters? (Scream 5 dewey and Scream 6 Gale, both of the kills have height discrepencies. The phone number is from woodsboro when if it way richies number, it would be from modesto. and the way the killer talks makes it sound like someone else.)
@ValentinoTarhan 7 ай бұрын
I really appreciate your attention to detail your methodical approach leaves nothing to doubt nothing but facts 🔥
@HuskyHero133 7 ай бұрын
Been waiting on this one, thanks!
@altothesting 7 ай бұрын
Regarding the whole “Wayne isn’t a cop” thing. I think that Wayne technically was a detective way before Scream 6. Only thing is that he most likely snapped once he heard about Richie’s death, even managing his other kids, Quinn, and Ethan, to get involved in his plan to get revenge against the Carpenters, and anyone else involved with Richie’s death. If he was former military, then he may have applied for a position as a detective months before Scream 6 took place, and managed to get the job, or if he was a criminal, there would have been extra steps to get his former ego, the Kirsch ego, wiped. I think either the “he snapped while still being a detective”, or “he was former military” are most likely the valid options for the whole Wayne stuff.
@altothesting 7 ай бұрын
For a reply so that I can list reasons who I think were the Ghostfaces - Wayne was most likely the only one who was able to get Jason, and Greg, as I feel like Quinn, and Ethan had solid alibis for if they were interrogated - I agree that Quinn was most likely the caller, but to make the call, she went into a different room (maybe her bedroom), while also Wayne could also be the one that did the bodega attack. Only way I could see that Wayne was the Ghostface there was that he could have been let go to go back to the station to talk to Tara, and Sam, but he managed to get a lucky break during the few minutes - Wayne could have been the one that killed the psychologist, as Quinn, and Ethan could have been at Mindy’s “franchise” talk during that kill - With the apartment, it most likely would have been Ethan. I think Ethan was able to kill Paul 2.0, and convincingly “kill” his sister, while also killing Anika at the same time. I also have a feeling that Ethan got out of Econ early - The rest was definitely Quinn, but main thing is that she would have had to try to avoid being spotted in public due to her veing declared dead, but I agree that Wayne was probably the one who calls Gale first - I think the reason for Ethan helping Mindy was so that he could have got off her bad lists, although I think that Mindy may have been thinking about the logic as well in the hospital, so… - Thankfully, the attacks at the theatre is definitely easier to know whom were being Ghostface there before Wayne shows up. I think Quinn was Ghostface Number 1, and then Ethan was Ghostface Number 2 (although I think I heard Jack Champion’s voice during the bloopers for that scene, so he could have been under the mask again there, but idek, Quinn most likely got away after the subway attack first)
@thececeshow253 7 ай бұрын
I think Detective Bailey did most of not all of the killing. I think Ethan only did the apartment attack because Quinn was supposedly on the phone with her dad while ghostface was already there. The gale attack I just can’t believe that was Quinn but it’s clear as day it wasn’t Ethan or detective Bailey.
@milanek1527 7 ай бұрын
What if Stu or a 4th killer came back to kill the Legacy characters? (Scream 5 dewey and Scream 6 Gale, both of the kills have height discrepencies. The phone number is from woodsboro when if it way richies number, it would be from modesto. and the way the killer talks makes it sound like someone else.)
@Raidergmd 7 ай бұрын
@milanek1527 yea the killer kinda talked in a different way. He seemed like maybe a past killer or smth cuz he seemed to know a lot about gale
@lunajohnson7091 7 ай бұрын
@@milanek1527he’s dead lol shut up
@bananasaregood8655 7 ай бұрын
The details in these vids make them SO much fun to watch! love it!
@timpancakes2011 7 ай бұрын
Great video!!! I really liked this movie because it felt fresh and different but gosh it is so hard for me to overlook some of these glaring issues you brought up.
@Cinnaman. 7 ай бұрын
i think ethan was the killer at the bodega. u can hear his voice with the grunts and u can even hear him saying “shit!” after chasing them. for sure ethan. i think crime scene investigations take a while and he can’t just leave like that
@lunajohnson7091 7 ай бұрын
That was the main stunt man of scream 6. They have said that many times.
@Cinnaman. 7 ай бұрын
@@lunajohnson7091 sounded a lot like ethan, though
@ilovezoom3719 7 ай бұрын
@@Cinnaman.yeah I guess you can kind of hear Ethan’s grunt and then when Ghostface shouts “SHIT” you can hear his voice even more but well you know not everyone is gonna agree especially since most people use the directors for evidence and well we can’t compete with that
@Cinnaman. 7 ай бұрын
@@ilovezoom3719 true. but in my heart, it will always be ethan
@ilovezoom3719 7 ай бұрын
@@Cinnaman. alright well I don’t disagree some part of me thinks it’s Ethan but then another part of me thinks it’s Wayne so I don’t know
@CarlosEduardo-qt7cd 7 ай бұрын
I agree with everything but in my opinion it was Wayne Bailey who killed Dr Stone because he was the only one who knew because Sam and Tara tell him and the next scene is Stone's death so I think it was Wayne
@lovestumacher 7 ай бұрын
Been waiting for this, I’m so excited!!!
@DantheManIamIam 7 ай бұрын
The apartment kill may be the biggest failure in layout in the whole franchise, the only competition I can think of being the Stabathon attack in Scream 4. Both Ethan and Wayne are given solid alibis so there's no way either could have done it. Ultimate in prioritizing audience misdirection over sense. And as was said here Ethan's alibi in particular is either airtight or makes everyone involved look unbelievably stupid, Ethan for giving such an easily disproven excuse and everyone else for not looking into it.
@Ne0Nights 7 ай бұрын
I think you’re completely overlooking a third and more plausible explanation: his alibi was a giant lecture hall, and if you’ve ever had a giant lecture class before, you don’t remember who was or wasn’t there. Call it was weak alibi if you want, but it’s actually pretty smart if you consider that his friends would have to ask 100 people if they saw him before they could confirm it or not. Meaning they would be dead/their plan would be over before they could ever confirm it thoroughly
@pizzamaster799 7 ай бұрын
After looking at everything, I kinda agree with your theory about Bailey being a criminal. It makes total sense
@BeckyBookClubMain 7 ай бұрын
The production quality 👏
@VideoTasties 7 ай бұрын
Excellent work as always 👏
@lucascofell4680 7 ай бұрын
I actually had thought the thing with Ethan helping Mindy - but I’d actually thought about this: what if Ethan and or Quinn had planned on throwing Wayne under the bus, allowing them to walk away and resume life afterward? I know it’s unlikely but seems fun enough
@ktownshutdown21 7 ай бұрын
My thinking is that since Ethan was told that he was suspicious to them, then helping Mindy after the attack from his sister would clear his name after they disposed of Sam & Tara. "He couldn't be a Ghostface since he saved me from one of them." Then afterwards he could kill her off to tie up the last loose end.