He still didn't do anything about it.

@@robertnelson9599 He made a little protest to the Emperor, but he quickly refused to continue with it

@@robertnelson9599 he couldn't tho.

There's also a Legend comic where a clone tells Vader they're taking pow to be sold as slaves and he can't handle it and ends the call. He Confronts Palps who apologizes for not connecting with Vader earlier and that this isn't like the slavery he experienced but an alternative to exterminating them. He assures Vader that given time the Empire will end slavery. Vader accepts it but is completely uncomfortable with it as he couldn't even speak clearly to Palps about it

Yo what comics? I wanna read them!

But he became a Jedi of his own free will and could leave the order at any time.

@@calthekonqueror312 not really he was to powerful to leave

I know everyone says that, but being a Jedi is completely different from being a clone in the GAR. Anakin can leave and not be killed for it.

@@carlycrays2831 but I’m pretty sure that would have happened as he was too dangerous to be a sith

@@harrison9691 He still had the right to

Anakin was so-so in EP2 and great in EP3, sappy love lines notwithstanding.

@KZfaq bans me Frfr Lol keep telling yourself that.

Lol.... Star wars have made nothing about film making They have done a lot about film production and marketing... the original it was a game changer in hollywood.... And you can argue it make a lot of progress in special effects at films... But have done nothing special about film making like an art form... In tha front is a pretty moderate film... I am not saying are not great films by the way...they are...

@@devifoxe Film as art? What a joke. Most films were made for money. Star Wars was made for the art, even as the critics hated him, Lucas continued with his vision instead of dumbing it down.

@@HolyknightVader999 the original yea it was... Is not my point... My point is... it didn't make something special at film making... Yea it was special for a Hollywood movie when it comes out.. But for a film in general the style it use is nothing spacial...

What Obi-wan should be called is nothing but the Clone Killer. Why? He dashed all hopes of the good lives in retirement of all clones.

"I look like Jesus, not Moses. You are on your own." ~Obi-Wan

Because of Obi Wan!?

Why is everyone blaming Kenobi? After Mustafar, he was never involved in any shit the government has been up to.

@@avatarspirit57 That's because he became a desert hobo on Tattooiine

That's just sad.

Anakin really didn't have a voice in politics, he's not a Senator, and there was a limit to what even Padme could do.

Sure, yeah, but would anyone have really brought it up? We know that Padme was working on rights for clones before she died, but what if his good pal Palpatine or someone else brought it up that they should keep the clones as slaves?

it’s obvious. even padme was talking about the freedom of the clones before she died. if he had the chance he would’ve done something about it

The clones got civilian rights after the empire stopped clone. Clone civilians

I think Anakin thinks everyone has the same disregard for their own safety he does. And the clones, unfortunately, couldn't really say no.

Nah I feel like if his plans really caused as many deaths as people think they do then Rex would definitely protest if he didn’t like it. But Rex and the 501st are all about the unorthodox so that fits perfectly with Anakin’s personality

Most of the times his plans are reckless as hell but they work out because space jesus. Also he does always put himself in the most danger if at all possible.

@@deadlypandaghost wreckless sure but still if his plans were really that bad Rex would say something. Like Krell and umbara

Many jedis think they are superior to clones, wich they are, anakin sees clones as equals so he often get some clones killed cuz they cant keep up

Vader did protest slavery a few times, but ultimately accepted it as a necessary evil (like many other things Palpatine proclaimed/manipulated).

Because he was himself enslaved by Palps.

This has always bothered me. Most of the Jedi but specifically Anakin should have had a problem using what was essentially slave army.

@@whatsup2318 Most of them probably didn't think of them as "slaves" but as conscripts born for the job in the same way Anakin (and most Jedi and Republic citizens for that matter) didn't see Sand People as fully human. Anakin slaughtered an entire village of them as a good guy and most other characters except for maybe the Mandalorian saw them as simple pests at best and threats to be exterminated at worst.

@@whatsup2318 it’s not like anakin could’ve done anything about it. he did the best he could by treating them like his friends and letting them express their personality and feelings

So it was a mixture of the Republic's need for war, the clone not realizing they are slaves (at least at first), and the Jedi teaching you should not get attached to anyone.

@@robertnelson9599 No. It was due to the fact that Anakin supported the war effort more than any other Jedi, and the fact that Jango and the Cul'Vay'Dar taught the clones to enjoy being cannon fodder slaves. The number of clone defectors is insignificant when compared to the number of clones who happily served.

@@HolyknightVader999 I personally think there's a lot wrong with Anakin's depiction in The Clone Wars. Like in one Epsiode he says the Rebublic is not corrupt, when he witnessed that corruption firsthand in other canon sources. He absolutely saw it as corrupt.

But that doesn't not make them slaves. And in Rebels, Rex seems rather disturbed that he still sort of feels that way.

@@carlycrays2831 Agree

@@carlycrays2831 I think frankly it had to do with thier legal position. Since it was basically the State which imposed the condition of slavery on the Clones, I don't think Anakin could do anything to free them, except peititioning the Senate.

drunk on self hatred you mean.

Exactly, and honestly, according to the Revenge of the Sith novel his position on the Council was purely honourary. He didn't even have a vote.

Best cooked with a blaster

Smoker at 160 for 18 hours with whisky wood chips

@@masteryoma5350 I was gonna say Hickory or Mesquite, but no, you're right.

Use a cauldron.

I think dogma and slick are both protein paste now 😔

I think dogma would, where slick would desert. Slick hated that his brothers were slaves and didn’t want them to be treated as such, and the empire wasn’t different from the republic in that way.

Before his fall, I doubt there was anything he could really do. It was the stae, i.e the Republic which imposed the condition of slavery on them, and Anakin did not make the laws, so he could not really free them. Not legally anyway.

And educational.

@@devinsenrick Perhaps but from my deeper dives into that part of history the real life stuff seems to be much darker

Actually I'm surprised that the control chips didn't have a self destruct mechanism. Imagine, a person hits a button and the chip explodes causing a fatal hemorrhage akin to a stroke. Sidious would I think have been on board with such fail safe.

Yeah, no one brings them up later. Even into Rebels everyone who isn't Kanan doesn't really seem to think much of them. And by the sequels, they're totally forgotten.

@@carlycrays2831 indeed, Kanan, has first, unresolved anger and mistrust issues, that don't just go away, but, linger untile they have a few good moments together. One or two, in front of witnesses.

@@scottbraun2457 To be fair, Kanan and Rex do come to a sort of peace. It just takes a bit of time. And Ezra. Ezra is probably the only reason they didn't murder each other.

@@carlycrays2831 actually I did say eventually they get over each other, but yes, I did forget who was most instrumental in that happening. I am sorry I missed that detail.

Cool thanks

You are a bold one

General kanobi

General kenobi

Clone Killer, you are one, General Kenobi.

General kenobi

Yup I could see lots of racism? Coming about if clones were freed then left with little resources to make a life for themselves. After all, how many people would look down on them for being test tube babies, and would not consider them to be real people. If some turned to crime I could easily see people profiling them as all being criminal since their clones. It would be in their genes after all right? It would make an interesting setting tbh

He might have actually already covered that? If he didn't, I can give you an answer. It wouldn't. In Legends we saw at least one case where a clone had a kid, and in that scenario his son grew up at a normal human rate.

He was working towards taking everything for himself and then freeing the slaves. However little did he know that Palpatine knew his true intentions

Fair point

The thing with Echo gets even better when you consider that Anakin delayed rescuing him so he could shoot the breeze with Padme for a few minutes. He even made Rex wait outside the damn door. I mean, if that rescue was about Ahsoka, Obi-Wan, or even Rex himself, Anakin would have done everything and not waited at all to get them back.

I recall he will risk himself on those crazy missions. I mean soldiers respect a commander who will do the same as he asks them to do. Also, since the droid had important plans on it, he was kinda the proiority.

If Palpatine promised to end slavery in the galaxy Anakin would have fallen more completely to the dark side.

@@robertnelson9599 yep

The emperor retired them himself. Remember?

@@robbambam3581 I mean why didn't rex and Co fight to free as many of their brothers as possible from the empire? Especially if they knew a control chip was in play. It doesn't make sense that Rex of all people would abandon his men. Does that make more sense for what I was trying to say?

@@mattd2026 yes it does, i have a feeling all of that will be covered in bad batch

@@maikoh5121 im glad I'm not the only one. I hope they explain this

Isn't that kind of typical. I mean most people are kind of prone to blame their actions on others, and anything he said on Mustafar he himself did not beleive, it was purely a rationalization.

Well, they're not wrong. Palpatine groomed him from the age of 12. Grooming doesn't exactly have a very positive effect on kids. Aside from that though, his childhood trauma probably left him seriously messed up. Like it does tend to do that.

Qui Gon didn't have any money, remember Republic Credits were no good on Tatooine, and he could not just steal Shmi. Nor could be kill Watto to free her, as they were meant to be staying under the radar. I do personally think he should have gone back for her, but since the Jedi didn't seem to give a stick about her son, why would they free her. In TCW movie it is shown that the Republic were pretty happy to enable the activities of the Hutts and even make alliances with them. Anakin had no real political power, and GT really exaggerate it, so there was a limit to what he could do.

@@englishlady9797 I agree with the Qui Gon scenario. Forgot about the credits. However, Anakin was not truly focused on his mother it seems, until he had the visions about her death. So the Jedi distracted him from saving her by keeping him in the temple and by feeding him the anti attachment rubbish. He would have found a way to save her given his strong headed nature but the Jedi lulled him into a sort of complacency since he assumed she was safe. Of course, being lulled into complacency brought the Jedi their own downfall...

@@annavg.9976 I think Anakin faced similar problems in regards to rescuing her as well though. He probably also did not have any money, which he needed to free her. He could not go back and steal her, and even if he did, he would have to stolen a ship from the Jedi Temple and gone AWOL for days. Big trouble when he got back. Your take is intersting though. I think he believed she was mostly safe with Watto (although Watto did beat him, so maybe not totally) but also almost didn't want to worry about her because she told him not to look back. However, in the novelization of AOTC in particular Anakin is doubly worried when he starts having his visions because he worries going back for his mom will confict with Jedi teachings. It is also notable that Anakin does not act on his visions until he removed from the context of the Jedi (away from ObI Wan) and with Padme, who of course knew Shmi and had actually met her. Even then though, Anakin knew he ran the risk of being expelled from the Order. He actually says he's prepared for that in the novel, but he's willing to take the risk for the sake of his mom. I so think they should have included that line in the movie, because it makes him appear less selfish. That he was willing to put his career and dreams on the line to help his mom.

@@englishlady9797 I used to read SW books. I read the Thrawn Trilogy and was going to read Dark Saber. You make some good points and back them with your readings. I was going by the general feel of it all. Overall, I think fear of attachment was what killed off the Jedi. This was killed off by Jedi philosophical and consequent dogmatic changes in the way they approached the force - Tython era concept vs a bureaucratized, even regimented concept. Frankly, I remember disliking Obi Wan's teachings when I was a child in the 70s. It just didn't seem right to me. It was all summed up with his comment about blasters to Han and Luke vs the old ways. In some ways his old Jedi arrogance persisted. Like he learned nothing from the Jedi purge and fall of the Republic. I liked Yoda even less with his self help infomercial righteous gobbledygook. Reading the Old Republic comics changed my views of the Jedi. They were more human than the monkish obi wan and Yoda type of Jedi. Like growing a plant in the ground vs growing it in a pot and guiding it (as in bonsais especially) the Jedi did unnatural things (a la Palpatine, lol). Which method produces a stronger plant? The potted one is more aesthetic but not as strong. Subjecting yourself to the will of the force is entering a hive mind and even robotic trance like state. There has to be a more balanced relationship involving a more balanced relationship between being and force. Like with the Bendu in Rebels or the Lothwolves. They showed how the force really should be understood. It isn't meant to be controlled yet the Bendu was a peaceful being. It probably was like this when attachment was allowed. Stifling dogma ruins everything as it produces a being more susceptible to fear and less capable of free thought. Trying to control everything is a fear. It will be interesting to see how the Jedi approached the force when they could marry more in detail. I think we are going to see that a more and more formalized and dogmatic concept of the force is part of the plan that made Palpatine's victory possible and that it was set up over many, many decades by Sith infiltrators behind the scenes in many different positions in the Republic and maybe even among the Jedi, chipping away at more ancient and natural concepts of using the force.

Some semblance of prior care for the 501st did bleed over into Vader once he actually became Vader and "killed" Anakin.

Palpatine didn’t care what Vader thought

Thankyou. I think GT have vastly overstated the amount of political authority Anakin and influence had before his fall. He literally had none. Even Padme could not get that much done if she was outvoted. Palpatine would just nod, and then do whatever the heck he wanted, and he had no real influence in the Jedi Council.