Why My Evangelical Friend Isn't Catholic

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Sorry about the poor audio! We only had time for one take and I did my best to fix it but I thought the content was worth posting anyway.
People sometimes treat faith as an intellectual exercise of simply recognizing the best arguments. However, my good friend from Southern Evangelical Seminary Matt Graham knows the arguments for Catholicism better than most Catholics (and sometimes agrees with them), yet he remains Evangelical. Here we discuss why.
0:00 Introduction
2:00 Overview of the Main Issues
3:33 The Role of Arguments in Conversion
6:12 Personal Issues: Protestant Upbringing
11:00 Practical Issues: Protestant Family
15:36 Psychological Issues: Protestant Mindset and Miracles
22:50 Psychological Issues: Protestant Perspective
28:55 Theological Issues
32:38 Theological Issues: Sola Fide (Faith Alone)
37:12 Theological Issues: Sola Scriptura (The Bible Alone)
42:40 Problems with Rhetoric
43:54 The Issue of Church Authority
46:40 The Issue of Church Infallibility
53:00 Catholic Ideals vs. Reality
56:40 Concluding Thoughts on Religious Debate
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@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын

I welcome interaction whether in agreement or not. However, comments that do not interact with the content of this video or that merely attempt to push one's platform will be deleted and the commenter potentially blocked.

@TrailandBackAgain 2 жыл бұрын

Good rule Doug! I look forward to listening to this! Do more of this please.

@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын

@@TrailandBackAgain Yeah man!

@St_Pablo298 Жыл бұрын

I can tell you as a Protestant currently in RCIA that it is definitely not easy on my family; particularly my wife who has no interest in entering the church. At the end of the day, after trying to wade through deep theological waters I keep coming back to one question .. is it true? Is Jesus truly present in the Eucharist? Is this the original church founded by Christ and is He present here? I’ve tried to ask God to help clarify remaining questions on Mary, communion of the saints, purgatory, etc. I’ve tried to turn away and return to the Protestant tradition I’m used to. God is very persistent. I keep being brought back to the Eucharist. If that is true, that is THE issue to me.

@DouglasBeaumont Жыл бұрын

I could have written basically the same thing a few years ago. God be with you and your family!

@jacobwoods6153 Жыл бұрын

@@joycegreer9391 Joyce you are absolutely right as to why it would be scandalous to them and therefore if it was just meant to be a metaphor he would of clarified (as he did for example in John 4:31-31) but he didn't clarify... He kept doubling down: So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. For Mt flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. (John 6:53-56) This is what the discple of John wrote regarding the Eucharist, do you think you who are almost 2,000 years removed from this writing of John knows what it meant instead of the one who was discipled by John? “Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God. . . . They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes” (Letter to the Smyrnaeans 6:2-7:1 [A.D. 110]). - Ignatius of Antioch I'd just ask you to stop Protesting for one second and hold the same level of skepticism towards your Protestantism as you do towards Catholicism.

@gilsonrocks4740 Жыл бұрын

Jason, I agree with you. The first and most important question is "Is it true?" I'm not convinced that it is. If I do get to the point where I am convinced, then I would agree that I am obligated to join. I appreciate your thoughtful comments here.

@gilsonrocks4740 Жыл бұрын

@@jacobwoods6153 I'm pretty skeptical about Protestantism as well. :)

@jacobwoods6153 Жыл бұрын

@Matthew Graham That's fair. I understand it is a difficult teaching. Jesus understood that as well and said; "only the Spirit gives life, the flesh is of no avail." This was central to early Christianity. Even Romans called Christians cannibals for it, which I think is an implicit argument for what the early Church taught regarding the Eucharist.

@Nick-rb1dc 2 жыл бұрын

I thought it was a great interview. The humor kept things lighthearted. The guest was honest about the fact the biggest obstacle for many people is a spouse that is not comfortable with Catholicism and might leave. This makes the "are you willing to give up all for me?" statements of Jesus very real. It seems that he is far enough along that he's not really Protestant anymore, and that things like bad behavior within the Catholic Church is the main hesitation. I've found the bad behavior within the church is the hardest part about evangelism, because it's hard to "sell" the idea of this being Christ's Church while also not behaving like it. Intellectual arguments only go so far. When people to become Catholic in times like these, it's a testimony that the Holy Spirit is in charge and not our best arguments.

@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, we wanted a less "apologetic" discussion and one that focused as much on real personal reasons. Conversion is often messier than people like to admit. :)

@gilsonrocks4740 2 жыл бұрын

If I was sure that becoming Catholic was really the best route, then I would do it. But whether or not becoming Catholic is what I ought to do is the thing in question.

@mrjeffjob 2 жыл бұрын

@@gilsonrocks4740 to me it’s one question: is it true? If yes then no obstacle is enough. If not then no other reason or preference is enough. I had left the Church but when I came to believe it’s true I had to come back. It wasn’t my preference but I had to obey my conscience. I understand the problem a reluctant spouse can be but ultimately Jesus is front and center.

@PatrickSteil 2 жыл бұрын

@@gilsonrocks4740 For me it came down to the realization that the hierarchy and authority of the church was in place specifically to help “the church” make sure it was keeping God’s Truth as its highest ideal. When you go back and study the early church fathers this was critically important to them and they were fighting heresy all along. It isn’t an accident (rather the Holy Spirit) they the Catholic Church is the largest Church today with over 1.2 Billion followers of Jesus and growing. That doesn’t prove that it is true, but it certainly makes you wonder if maybe they are doing something right. Study the church fathers (the Bishops of the church that Jesus left behind before there was a “sola scriptura”) and see what the original “orthodox” view was on Eucharist, baptism, salvation/justification. Go with God

@bengoolie5197 2 жыл бұрын

"bad behavior within the Catholic Church is the main hesitation." Well, I guess he really doesn't like Jesus very well, because Jesus personally picked Judas, and Judas had "really bad behavior! As Pope Leo XIII said: "Catholics were born for combat." Now whether that combat is against those from without the Church, or from within the Church, matters not.

@andymalone7338 2 жыл бұрын

Faith is a gift. I will remember to pray for your friend and his wife's conversion. God bless and enlighten all involved.

@almarodriguez298 Жыл бұрын

I'm so thankful that God gave me the gift of love for his Spouse The One Holy Catholic Church 🙏 I'm glad I wasn't born a protester 🙏👑📿

@621u3 2 жыл бұрын

Great conversation! I am of one mind with your protestant friend and have said or thought a lot of the same things recently. Let's stop the battle of egos and fight for something eternal. There are many souls that need to hear about our Lord Jesus Christ.

@thinktank8286 5 ай бұрын

Oh my! As a Prot Pentecostal Pastor on the journey, the speaker's saying that his Pent/Char understandings lending themselves to an openness to RCC/ORTH is an idea I have too. I'm not the only one! See also a book: Toward a Pentecostal Theology of The Lord's Supper: Foretasting the Kingdom. Green, Chris E. W. CTP Press. Cleveland, TN. 2012.

@DMSAdventures Жыл бұрын

Great honest conversation Doug! Reminds me of me and my college buddy. I've had many conversations on these topics with my parents as well over the years! Love the cordial discussion!

@DouglasBeaumont Жыл бұрын

That's great! Yeah, he's a good guy to talk to. I understand that faith can be emotionally charged but there's no reason it can't be discussed rationally (especially when ones faith IS rational!).

@joycepeterson6139 2 жыл бұрын

Loved your conversation! Thank you!

@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын

I'm glad, thank you!

@rickmiller2042 2 жыл бұрын

Very interesting discussion. Certainly shows how difficult it is to change from our underlying foundational positions.

@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын

Well said!

@timburns201 Жыл бұрын

Good discussion. But I wish you had better sound. Sound is really the most important part of a good video, never skip on good sound. It may be even more important than the camera you use. I really enjoy your videos. I think a few long form videos like this would be a good venture, like Matt Fradd. One thing Fradd is missing visuals, like summary bullet points written out, or the scripture being discussed. I think you have a good "stage presence."

@DouglasBeaumont Жыл бұрын

I know, it's the only video like that!

@DDCrp Жыл бұрын

Eyyyy! Real deal conversations. Thx!

@almarodriguez298 Жыл бұрын

He mentioned Protestant's but they are thousands of denomination's and they all disagree I don't understand 😬

@gilsonrocks4740 Жыл бұрын

There isn't universal agreement, but there are commonalities among large groups of Protestants. Even if there are 30000 plus denominations, it's not as if every denomination has a completely different set of beliefs. For example, the Foursquare denomination and the Open Bible denomination pretty much have the same beliefs other than their views on divorce. The 30000 plus denominations number sounds more impressive than it really is.

@ginomaietta2702 5 ай бұрын

Just a suggestion: the echo in the room was a little weird, a carpeted office would have been better.

@DouglasBeaumont 5 ай бұрын

Yeah this was a one-time mistake. :)

@codysmith7038 Жыл бұрын

Good content. The sound is terrible. Sounds like an echo or this took place in a cave. Might want to fix that before future videos.

@DouglasBeaumont Жыл бұрын

I know, I did Mt best to fix it but this was a one time shot and I didn't want to delete the video. All the rest on the channel are fine!

@klarity1111 Жыл бұрын

In the Catholic view, is feeling good and peaceful after praying the Rosary an indication that God wants that person (in this case nonCatholic) to continue saying Rosaries? Some people say not to trust your feelings, but I feel that God may want me to continue, even if I'm not Catholic. Also, I wonder if a person can simply live being part Catholic and part Protestant, and never choose between one or the other? It is difficult to make a decision when I can see the pros and cons of each.

@DouglasBeaumont Жыл бұрын

Catholics do not typically try to find God's will through feelings, but a disturbance of peace is a good sign that something isn't right. There really isn't much in the rosary that should upset a Protestant anyway (see douglasbeaumont.com/2015/09/17/rosary-explanation-for-protestants/). There is no such thing as part Catholic and part Protestant - either one is a member of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church or they are not. That is the only "Pro" you need to concern yourself with - it's not like Protestantism where everyone chooses churches based on what they already believe. If the Catholic Church is the Church Jesus founded, then you join it and submit to its authority. If not, then feel free to pick whichever Protestant group suits your fancy. :)

@paulgritter7957 Жыл бұрын

I literately lost everything when I converted to Catholicism. My friendships, most of my family relationships, etc. My career path completely fell apart, and I lost everything. I had to rebuild my life from nothing, but faith. It was more than worth it. It was a struggle that lasted years, but God has replaced everything that was lost, Things are still strained with my Protestant family, but everything else was restored, through the Church. My fellow Catholics are more than friends of fellow Parishioners. They ARE family. I do not have, nor desire, close friendships with Protestants, or Evangelicals. It’s nice you can engage in this dialogue, with the opposition, and keep it civil. It’s not the norm. 99.999% of the time, a Protestant/Evangelical, finds out, I’m Catholic, their first response is to attack Mary. This leads me, in light of Revelation 12:17, to wonder exactly, which spirit, works through them.

@DouglasBeaumont Жыл бұрын

I understand - for many EVs it's like someone becoming Muslim. Bizarre.

@sproutfire8878 Жыл бұрын

Sadly, I agree with the instant judgement of Evangelicals. Interesting how when you ask them questions about their faith, such as what year was your church founded and by whom, their defenses are up. I told my Baptist friend, evangelizing is a two way street; you need to listen. Years of memorizing bible versuses at Sunday school has turned them into machines splitting out scripture with their own twists.

@Nick-rb1dc 2 жыл бұрын

I do wish he talked more about Justification and Atonement, since early on he made it sound as if these were his big things. But then by the time those issues came up he basically was too tired to discuss them and they just kind of were avoided.

@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын

We didn't want the video to go on too long. Matt said he is doing a followup video on his channel so check it out.

@tomdorgan9009 2 жыл бұрын

I once had a situation that might have been mitigated if I professed a religion other than Catholic. So my thought was I needed to decide if I would be Catholic or not. Immediately I was challenged by the demand that I decide if I believed in God. That event left no other choice than to be Catholic. Doug ask your friend if it is more important to maintain his own beliefs or to believe in God.

@PatrickSteil 2 жыл бұрын

The way I phrase it is do you want to uphold and defend and pass along “HIS Truth”, or someone else’s “truth”. The Catholic Church has its hierarchy and history to prove that it has always been about this work. “I am the Way, the Truth, the Life”. “The Church is the Pillar and foundation of Truth”.

@tomdorgan9009 2 жыл бұрын

@@PatrickSteil I complement your tact,

@PatrickSteil 2 жыл бұрын

@@tomdorgan9009 Thank you! It has only taken me 34 years to be able to state it that way lol

@PatrickSteil Жыл бұрын

@@joycegreer9391 Have you studied the Church Fathers? Church history? How the most sacred beliefs of the Church didn’t mold and change with every generation. On church Authority, Baptism, Salvation, Eucharist and many more less critical beliefs the Catholic Church had kept its beliefs consistent to this day. No other church can claim this because no other church puts His Truth first.

@jimnewl Жыл бұрын

The "practical objections" to the Church--difficulties caused by familial disapproval and so on--carry no weight whatsoever. Each person is responsible for his own salvation first, and bearing whatever cross is required to be borne in order to achieve that end is mandatory. Mandatory. No one will be excused for failing to obey on account of any worldly difficulty involved in obeying. One might as well attempt to argue, "Sorry, Lord, I wanted to believe, but there were so many difficulties..."

@gilsonrocks4740 Жыл бұрын

Beezlebox, the practical objections do carry weight when you are at an impasse regarding the competing theological and historical claims. If it could go one way or the other, then you start to weigh other considerations. Apart from that, I don't disagree with you. If Catholicism is true and I have an obligation to be Catholic - then that is what I must do no matter the cost. But I have some intellectual roadblocks to thinking that Catholicism is true at this point.

@jesusdominguez5843 Жыл бұрын

Se ve muy interesante la plática, pero el sonido hace que sea más difícil de entender. Se escucha muy lejos. 🔉 👂 Además me da flojera leer los subtítulos. 😆

@DouglasBeaumont Жыл бұрын

Yeah sorry, it did not come out well and I did my best to fix it but it's bad. None of the other videos are like this!

@patquint3291 2 жыл бұрын

I am a Catholic in union with my local Bishop who is in union with the Pope, practicing in the Latin Rite. I am NOT Roman Catholic!!!! There are 23 separate Rites in the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. It was Henry the VIII’s “church” in the 1600s that invented the term “Roman” Catholic.

@patquint3291 Жыл бұрын

@@joycegreer9391 Well, aren’t you just the know it all? Was the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church commonly referred to as “Roman Catholic” from the 1200s? I don’t think so. Regardless of where the term “Roman Catholic” originated never, up to and including the present day, in any official Church document, has the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church identified as “Roman.” It is a derogatory term used by antiCatholics to label Jesus’s ONE Church as just another denomination among the hundreds, if not thousands, of separated, independent, man made communions beginning in the 16th century. I cringe every time I hear it. Catholics should stress the term “Roman” refers only to the Latin Rite within the Church, which is one of 23 separate Rites or Liturgies within the Catholic Church and go the distant to explain exactly what liturgy is. Most Protestants have no clue even what the word liturgy means. They would deny their independent nondenominational “church” practices a particular liturgy, but any set order of worship could be classified as liturgy. A simple Google search would be useful.

@patquint3291 Жыл бұрын

@@joycegreer9391 I am afraid we will have to agree to disagree, but I will make one final point (which a simple Google search will clarify LOL) and you will not even begin to consider, being under the influence of 500 years of the unBiblical and antiChristian dogma of sola scriptura.......The One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church was not founded by a man or woman or group. The ONE, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church was founded by Jesus Christ and backed up by Holy Scripture in the Book of Matthew, chapter 16 and historical fact and testimony and Christian Tradition for 2000 years. And let it be shouted from the rooftops that Catholics were killed by Protestant secular governments supporting the man made “churches” who broke away from the ONE true Church in the 16th century, so don’t think your historically novel system of Protestantism is so “holier than thou.” The Church of England during the reign of Elizabeth the first Was especially intolerant of Catholics and the Parliament passed laws persecuting Catholic priests who dared to preach the orthodox Catholic Faith and say Mass for the Catholics in England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland. The laymen and laywomen who protected and hid priests from torture and death by Protestant authority were not spared persecution and suffered the most atrocious deaths by being burnt alive, hanged until almost dead and then being pulled apart by horses and a really good one, being slowly crushed to death by huge slabs of rock! I will keep you in prayers because my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, commands I do so, however, no response to this post is necessary or welcomed.

@GIACOMOANGELI 2 жыл бұрын

your content deserves better audio quality

@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын

One time problem. :)

@janet6379 11 ай бұрын

I don't hear Protestants saying they are at all concerned with worshipping in the same way the earliest Christians did. I find the disparity between the denominations that still have a liturgy and those that have only a stage, a band and a podium, and the indifferentism regarding this issue, to be troubling. In general, it looks to me like Protestants need to set aside their battle against Catholicism and work to find their own unity.

@butterflybeatles Жыл бұрын

Looking at our current pope, who would want to become Catholic?

@DouglasBeaumont Жыл бұрын

Anyone who becomes Catholic for a given Pope isn't doing it for the right reasons. I didn't come into the Church because of Francis and I won't leave because of him. Having said that, you make a fair point.

@DavidSupina Жыл бұрын

The issues at stake for considering becoming Catholic actually need not be that complicated. If you exhaustively consider and make a judgment on every possible line of skepticism, you will die before you finish. But that’s also trusting in your intellect rather than trusting in Christ. But neither does Christ want you to throw your brain away, so all you do is deal with whatever major objections you have, and then try to answer three questions: 1. is the Catholic Church the one that Jesus Christ started at Pentecost in roughly 33AD? 2. When Jesus says “I will build this Church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it” allow for even the temporary triumph or heresy over orthodoxy that Protestants claimed happened? If your answers are respectively yes and then no, then Protestantism is off the table. Then one more: 3. Which ecclesiology seems like a clear better fit of the scriptural data, and if the answer is neither, which one seems like a better designed system for resolving doctrinal issues? I think you can find a way to read either Catholic or Orthodox ecclesiology out of the scriptures, largely because the scriptures aren’t very interested in spelling those out, but if Orthodoxy is the practical system God intended… when is that eighth ecumenical council going to happen? It’s not like nothing of note theologically has happened for a millennia.

@DouglasBeaumont Жыл бұрын

Well said!

@chriszablocki2460 2 жыл бұрын

Did a rally of Bishops really issue an ultimatum to the Pope? Or did I get trolled?

@TheJackfd81 2 жыл бұрын

What does Lords of the rings and Nadia have to do it's Christianity?

@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like someone ahs some reading to do.

@benhill452 2 жыл бұрын

You need to work on your sound quality.

@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын

You need to buy me a couple lapel mics! ;)

@alfray1072 2 жыл бұрын

Protestantism is about division, unity and confusion. There is only one Church Christ established not 40K+ protesting cults and sects (denominations). Jesus never declared sola scriptura

@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын

Thise have certainly been the effects of Protestantism. You're not going to get far with a Protestant using the "Jesus never declared X" argument though.... ;)

@alfray1072 2 жыл бұрын

@@DouglasBeaumont that is the most effective argument because Jesus never declared sola scriptura and handed out bibles. Protestants know this and steers you to another anti Catholic question. Protestants are only about intimidation not conversations

@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын

@alf ray Going in reverse order, your statement is obviously false since this is a one hour video where a Protestant is willing to have a conversation. Second, I get what you're saying. To less thoughtful protestants the "Jesus never said that" argument might seem powerful. But most will see the same can be said about infallible papacy, Mary's immaculate conception, the sacrament of confirmation, etc. Protestants don't have the biblical high ground they think they do, but using a failed Protestant argument for Catholic teachings won't get you far with many of them!

@alfray1072 2 жыл бұрын

@@DouglasBeaumont we are not bound to the false sola scriptura doctrine, even the Holy Bible is unbiblical. It is a declared Canon of the Catholic Church. The Trinity is not also in scriptures, protestant know this, but they just have a lot of excuses and alibis, very typical of your friend

@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын

@@alfray1072 Matt and I both understand this. Your formulation of sola scriptura is itself a misunderstanding though (albeit one that many Protestant share). Neither Matt nor I hold to this misunderstanding though, nor was it implied in the video. Let's leave it at that unless you have something to say that interacts with what Matt actually said.

@patrickdev8211 Жыл бұрын

Audio is horrible. Wish I could have heard.

@DouglasBeaumont Жыл бұрын

Yeah this one came out poorly but we only had one shot at it.

@patrickdev8211 Жыл бұрын

@@DouglasBeaumont you have so much knowledge to share. Production is important. Thank you for the education. It’s quite helpful in my journey back to Catholicism.

@DouglasBeaumont Жыл бұрын

The audio is fine on most of the channel. Glad it's helpful!

@robertopacheco2997 2 жыл бұрын

For me it's been a head versus heart issue for a while. My mind can wrap around Catholic understandings of doctrinal development, and I also agree that Protestantism's formal and material principles (i.e., bible alone and faith alone) are philosophically and theologically problematic, but my heart is firmly low-church, Evangelical. I love the simplicity of worship and singing the old-time gospel hymns! Certainly a well-formed conscience isn't a gnostic, nominalist, hyper-modernist matter of intellectual agreement with a set of doctrinal propositions. Our hearts must be taken into consideration as well. So many Protestant converts to Orthodoxy and Catholicism seem drawn by liturgy (i.e., bells and smells). I'm the opposite. If the Catholic Church can have dozens of different rites and liturgies, including an Anglican Ordinariate, why not an "Evangelical Ordinariate"? Just a thought. (BTW: I can assure you the singing would be a lot better!)

@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I am pretty sure the Church of the Catacombs was a bit different haha.

@PatrickSteil 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Roberto. I agree that many Catholic Masses are not as wonderful as they should be. But I bet there is one in your area that you would love. For me the main thing is which church cares the most about preserving and defending God’s Truth rather than the interpretation of any man or even your own interpretation. If God is who we think he is, who are we individually to claim we have the Truth? The truth is there about what Christians have believed since Jesus. If you learn about the early church fathers, you’ll see what I mean. :)

@robertopacheco2997 2 жыл бұрын

@@PatrickSteil Thanks, Patrick. I appreciate your sentiments. Mine isn't an intellectual or epistemological opposition. It's purely an aesthetical argument. If the Catholic Church can have dozens of rites, including Anglo-Catholic and Charismatic masses, then why not one for low-churchmen that nonetheless follows all the rubrics? As for patristics, I have helped my friend Dr. James L. Papandrea with the forth-coming revised edition of his textbook on reading the early church through the fathers. So, let's just say I'm not ignorant on that point!

@tabandken8562 2 жыл бұрын

@@robertopacheco2997 None of the sites differ in doctrines. As for Sola Scripture, this is why we need the Church. “…[W]hether I or anyone else should wish to detect the frauds and avoid the snares of heretics as they rise, and to continue sound and complete in the Catholic faith, we must, the Lord helping, fortify our own belief in two ways: first, by the authority of the divine law, and then, by the Tradition of the Catholic Church. But here someone perhaps will ask, Since the canon of Scripture is complete, and sufficient of itself for everything, and more than sufficient, what need is there to join with it the authority of the Church’s interpretation? For this reason -because, owing to the depth of Holy Scripture, all do not accept it in one and the same sense, but one understands its words in one way, another in another; so that it seems to be capable of as many interpretations as there are interpreters…Therefore, it is very necessary, on account of so great intricacies of such various error, that the rule for the right understanding of the prophets and apostles should be framed in accordance with the standard of ecclesiastical and Catholic interpretation. Moreover, in the Catholic Church itself, all possible care must be taken, that we hold that faith which has been believed everywhere, always, by all. For that is truly and in the strictest sense Catholic, which, as the name itself and the reason of the thing declare, comprehends all universally.” (Vincent of Lerins, Notebooks 2, c. A.D. 434)

@nosuchthing8 2 жыл бұрын

Dude, the sound is horrible

@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын

I know, sorry - it was bad and the best corrections I could do didn't fix it.

@MrJoebrooklyn1969 Жыл бұрын

Audio is terrible.

@DouglasBeaumont Жыл бұрын

I know, sorry - it's the only one like that and we only had one take so I put it up anyway. :/

@sebastianbolt7886 Жыл бұрын

Did you offer your friend a drink? Where's his flask or cup.

@DouglasBeaumont Жыл бұрын

No way, if he can make up his own religion he can bring his own drink! LOL! ;)

@sebastianbolt7886 Жыл бұрын

@@DouglasBeaumont tut tut tut😏.... Great channel sir.

@Cuinn837 Жыл бұрын

I have been learning about Catholicism for years. Every time I think I have come to accept some aspect of Catholicism that Protestantism doesn't teach, I find myself once again feeling resistant to it and even becoming repulsed by it. I experienced this just recently with Marianism. This dance of "like and accept" to "intensely dislike and reject" has been happening for more than seven years. I can't seem to make any progress with it. I want to like the Catholic church, accept everything and join up, but then I am filled with enormous fear--there are too many things that are considered mortal sins. What if I join up, can't deal with it, and get tagged with all of these mortal sins? Or what if God punishes me for "worshipping" Mary? Too often, veneration looks and feels like worship. For now, I am going to continue reading the works of the Church Fathers and not worry about joining the Catholic Church.

@DouglasBeaumont Жыл бұрын

My advice is to focus on the historical identity of Christ's Church and not how you feel or what you like or dislike about what it teaches. Jesus taught difficult uncomfortable things and so did his apostles. The question is who should be believed - not what we think about what they teach. May God bless you!

@Cuinn837 Жыл бұрын

@@DouglasBeaumont Thank you for your answer! But with so many feelings of discomfort, I know that I am not yet ready to join the Catholic Church.

@DouglasBeaumont Жыл бұрын

It'll be here when you're ready! :)

@Cuinn837 Жыл бұрын

@@joycegreer9391 Veneration is paying paying high honors and respect to. It is not a synonym of worship at all.

@mikebuckley46 2 жыл бұрын

He’s just a silly 😜

@rickpotter6200 Жыл бұрын

Loved the talk up until the death penalty came up. God became man and He got the death penalty and most of his Apostles did also. He isnt the first Catholic I have heard who love the death penalty above their respect and reverence for the Pope.

@DouglasBeaumont Жыл бұрын

That's a serious mischaracterization. Regardless of one's feelings on the death penalty, it is clearly established as morally licit in Scripture and by the Church - this is fact (if you doubt this, see Feser's "By Man Shall His Blood Be Shed"). For the Pope to come along 2,000 years later and force what is his (at best) practical opinion on the Church as if it has theological backing is seriously problematic for the dogma of infallibility - and THAT is what is at stake.

@timmcvicker5775 2 жыл бұрын

For me, the Bible is the final authority. John 1 has pretty much carved this truth in stone. The Word existed before the beginning of time. How could I possibly recognize any other authority that is said to be equal to or above the Word which was God? The Word Made Flesh 1 In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He existed in the beginning with God. 3 God created everything through him, and nothing was created except through him. 4 The Word gave life to everything that was created, and his life brought light to everyone. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness can never extinguish it.

@ClassicalProtestant Жыл бұрын

As a Protestant- I concur meanwhile we have to admit we can say that by the church selecting those books and we trust God in that by trusting the instrument in which He used to deliver it

@johnbarron1707 2 жыл бұрын

I don't think God cares whether one is of the Catholic or Protestant faith. In truth, each faith, as an organized religion, has many faults and many good points. What God cares about is the individuals relationship with His Son, Jesus. As we are told in Romans 10:9-10, "that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." Based on this scripture, both Catholics and Protestants are welcomed in to heaven.

@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын

Based on this Scripture (alone) so are Jehovahs Witnesses, Mormons,. . . .

@johnbarron1707 2 жыл бұрын

@@DouglasBeaumont- God knows what's in one's heart. "The good person out of the good treasure of his heart produces good, and the evil person out of his evil treasure produces evil, for out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks." (Luke 6:45). If a person truly believes, The Holy Spirit will direct that person into all Truth. Upholding 'another Gospel' will not be accepted.

@mrjeffjob 2 жыл бұрын

That assumption is common among Protestants because they have no basis for unity. Therefore they try to boil everything down to the lowest common denominator. That’s literally saying truth doesn’t matter. Since Jesus Is Truth personified it matters. Worship matters. Obedience matters. Authority matters. Transformation in Christ matters. Without Truth you can’t avail yourself of any of the above.

@biblealone9201 2 жыл бұрын

where does it say this What God cares about is the individuals relationship with His Son, Jesus. even Jesus didnt say that he did say Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers.’💋

@johnbarron1707 2 жыл бұрын

@@mrjeffjob- I'm not sure of the 'assumption' you are referring to. Would you clarify? I disagree that Protestants don't have a basis for unity. Surely it is Jesus Christ. They also uphold your other four points. However, what is the lowest common denominator you have in mind?