Everyone who is validly baptized is baptized into the Catholic Church, whether they realize it or not. This is because there is only one Church; there's no other church to be baptized into. However, those who reject the Church's authority and turn from her to other teachers immediately fall away into mortal sin. They are therefore Christian in just the same way as a Catholic who has fallen into mortal sin is Christian: they have been justified through baptism, but their subsequent personal sins remain, and for as long as they persist in their sin and refuse to repent, they remain separated from God.

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As a Former Seventh Day Adventist, becoming Catholic. I can see where Gordon is coming from. A lot of popular SDA Pastor’s are either Arian or Semi Arian and the church hasn’t officially condemned them yet so denying it is still allowed, unfortunately. So some hold to the trinity, some deny it, and some have a warped view of the trinity. There’s also blasphemous ideas like Jesus being born with Original Sin but never committing any sins through his actions.

PLEASE READ THIS! After a few hundred comments, some trends are emerging. So to avoid redundancy please note the following 1. Unitatis Redintegratio - the Church's Decree on Ecumenism - teaches that "all who have been justified by faith in Baptism are members of Christ's body, and have a right to be called Christian, and so are correctly accepted as brothers by the children of the Catholic Church." If you wish to attack Protestants for not accepting the authority of the Catholic Church, don't reject the Church's authority by rejecting Vatican 2 -an ecumenical council! (Related to this: statements from past historical contexts must be understood in light of this decree - not offered as reasons why it is false.) 2. "Christian" and "Saved" are not equivalent terms in the Catholic faith (any more than "Catholic" is). Thus, Protestants (and Catholics) can be Christians while also being unsaved, heretical (on matters not pertaining to a valid baptism), or even mean. Thus, none of the latter properties refute the judgment of the Church that [validly baptized] Protestants are Christians. Thanks!

It's good to hear both opinions on videos, Timothy and Douglas both Catholics on this very issue. Well your insights Tim and Doug are inspiring. It's food for thought and prayers will help each of us listening to these views of yours and those commenting as well. Thank you both gents.

The Catholic Church does consider Protestants to be Christians, at least, most of them. The problem is that they are not experiencing the "Fullness of Truth". They are not getting the Sacraments Jesus left us, like the Eucharist, and Confession for example. Many Protestants are led down the wrong path with the false teachings of things like Faith Alone and Once Saved Always Saved.

Just came across your channel and subscribed as someone as myself that’s just entering the faith the Catholic faith from protestant circles. This is a good video. I’m a fan of Timothy Gordon as well. Thank you for this video. God bless.

Great video, helped me. However, a lot of Protestants don’t consider us Christian at all. More so than Catholics do of Protestants, and they do so because of our sacraments. Also, Christ himself did say multiple times that unless you eat his flesh and drink his blood you have no life in you and cannot raise you on the last day. So, I’d argue that the Eucharist is as important as baptism. Baptism is the spiritual birth, the rest are the requisites for entering heaven. The apostles also tell us to reject people who profess any other doctrine than the one they have taught and preached. Protestants are like those people that were casting out demons in Jesus name but didn’t follow him in Mark 9:38-41. Where Jesus tells John not to stop them because they can’t speak evil of him and do mighty works. Truly, I wished that Protestants respected Catholics as Christians more than they do as opposed to calling us idolaters. I understand Gordon’s arguments are a bit weak, but I appreciate posing the question back at them. Also, even if an ecumenical council has settled it, it’s good for us to question it, if it leads to a deeper understanding.

Thank you v. much for this video with gentle correction and clarification regarding Catholic position on different views about separated brethren.. ❤

Thank you Doug! I wonder how many of the Naysayers think Pope Francis is the Holy Father?

Great video!! Thanks for making this.

Thank you for this concise, level-headed, well thought out and educated response to this too-common and unfortunate cannibalism of Catholics going on especially amongst too many of the Rad Trads.

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Wow! This was solid. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.

Great video on clarifying what most (including myself) were wrong on when referring to non Catholics. Thank you for humbling my perspective. Keep the videos. Theyre a revelation for the RIGHT way to defend the Truth.

Sensible goodness once again. Keep these coming my friend!

You deserve more views/followers. Thank you for this video.

You are brilliant. I truly appreciate you, your knowledge and your style. I’d love to get in touch with you to learn more about and from you and to discuss some collaboration/mission work, but I am not sure how to do direct message on here. I’ll try to find you on Facebook or another platform.

Thank you very much for this logical & very reasonable discussions. Praise God for your contribution in clarifying the Catholic Faith. God bless.

As a former Protestant, I believe most Protestant faiths are Christian as well. They are incomplete, but the holy Spirit moves in the church so to me, that's the best evidence. God can use anything for his glory. But, be that as it may, I believe the Catholic church is the true church and am very happy in it, and RCIA.

Excellent analysis and video Doug!

This is an important discussion. I remember for years EWTN said we had to be Catholic to be saved. There is some support for this that Protestants like Truth Unites have pointed out. He points out in a recent video that a pope said Protestants are damned and he believes the pope was speaking ex Cathedra. I remember all of this as being taught and only in the last few years has EWTN taken a different view. I remember when they were saying the opposite. Discuss this respectfully because these issues do need addressed by Catholics and Protestants.

Great video Doug.

Thank you for this response!

Pray everyday that the Protestants come into the Holy Catholic Church.

"There is more hope for a bad Catholic than there is a good protestant." - St. Anthony Mary Claret

Awesome video Douglas 💯

Been having a few 'debates' for want of a better term with a few non-caths on other Catholic channels. I can sense Tim Gordon's frustration, especially in the face of what Francis (Pope Francis), the liberal-minded Cardinals he has surrounded himself with, and now the German Bishops are doing to the Church. It is becoming harder and harder to tell the differnce between most 'Catholics' and Protestants in general. Then you have this latest trend where a lot of Protestants (or at least the popular channels) are beginning to question whether Catholics can even be called Christian (most likely for clickbait and increased revenue)????? I saw the Title of Tim's video but didn't watch it yet. With the 'debates' I was experiencing, I'll admit I was starting to lean in that direction too. I like your approach and glad it kinda brought me back to a more even keel. Doing what I can to spread the message about your channel. Keep the Faith.

Just had a conversation with my Southern Baptist mother in law about Mary being the Mother of God. It was quite odd. She totally agreed with the nature of the Trinity that I described necessitating the title of "Mother of God" for Mary, but still would not admit that she is the "Mother of God". 🤷

a lot of new Catholics are Falling into this error hating their past being Protestant. Great video

Good response to Tim Gordon. A few points: 1. Seven Sacraments are the marks of a church, not a Christian, governed by a bishop whose authority has been handed down through apostolic succession by ordination with the Sacrament of Holy Orders, whether it is Catholic, Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox or Assyrian Church of the East. 2. Regarding their lack of valid sacraments, there exists the possibility of Protestants receiving some aspect of God's grace through sacramental desire that the Catholic Church already acknowledges in the baptism of desire. A. St. John Henry Cardinal Newman held the opinion that God did not withhold His grace from Anglicans who sincerely desired to receive Christ at their communion services. St. Elizabeth Ann Seton's conversion to Catholicism was prepped by her frequently receiving communion in Episcopal Churches in New York City, even more than once on Sundays so great was her desire. B. Similarly, how could God withhold His grace, although not its fullness, from any Protestant who sincerely confessed their sins to a minister, since through their lack of knowledge they were unaware of the Sacrament of Reconciliation? 3. Regarding Nestorius: A. Although his formulations were problematic I think he was given a bad rap by the polemical St. Cyril of Alexandria. After being condemned for heresy and removed from the See of Constantinople, his behavior was exemplary, never breaking communion and dying in the church's good graces in an Upper Egypt monastery in 451 AD. B. From Wikipedia: "The discovery, translation and publication of his (Nestorius') Bazaar of Heracleides at the beginning of the 20th century have led to a reassessment of his theology in western scholarship. It is now generally agreed that his ideas were not far from those that eventually emerged as orthodox, but the orthodoxy of his formulation of the doctrine of Christ is still controversial." 4. I posted the following on Tim Gordon's original video that goes into significant detail about how Protestants are Christians according to the Catholic Church: Question: Are Protestants Christians? Reply: Yes, according to the Second Vatican Council's Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, Lumen Gentium, solemnly promulgated by his holiness Pope Paul VI, on November 21, 1964. LG No. 15: The Church recognizes that in many ways she is linked with those who, being baptized, are honored with the name of Christian, though they do not profess the faith in its entirety or do not preserve unity of communion with the successor of Peter. (Cf. Gal. 4:6; Rom. 8:15-16 and 26.) For there are many who honor Sacred Scripture, taking it as a norm of belief and a pattern of life, and who show a sincere zeal. They lovingly believe in God the Father Almighty and in Christ, the Son of God and Savior. (Cf. Jn. 16:13.) They are consecrated by baptism, in which they are united with Christ. They also recognize and accept other sacraments within their own Churches or ecclesiastical communities ... They also share with us in prayer and other spiritual benefits. Likewise we can say that in some real way they are joined with us in the Holy Spirit, for to them too He gives His gifts and graces whereby He is operative among them with His sanctifying power. Some indeed He has strengthened to the extent of the shedding of their blood. In all of Christ's disciples the Spirit arouses the desire to be peacefully united, in the manner determined by Christ, as one flock under one shepherd, and He prompts them to pursue this end. (Rev. 22:17) Mother Church never ceases to pray, hope and work that this may come about. She exhorts her children to purification and renewal so that the sign of Christ may shine more brightly over the face of the earth. [Omitted from the above is the following sentence pertaining specifically to the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox Churches and the Assyrian Church of the East: Many of them rejoice in the episcopate, celebrate the Holy Eucharist and cultivate devotion toward the Virgin Mother of God.(Cf. Eph. 1:11-12; 1 Cor. 12:4 Gal. 5:22.)]

I converted from Anglicanism but actually we did have two sacraments, Baptism and the Eucharist. The latter does indeed contain the Real Presence. We also had recourse to Reconciliation if we wanted. It wasn't mandatory as in the RCC but all we had to do was ask our Vicar. I've always had an aversion to these kinds of 'mud slinging' videos and was especially saddened to see one being done, inaccurately, by a Catholic.

OMG. American Catholic Church used to lead the English speaking world. And now we have nuts like Timothy Gordon contradicting the Magisterium. And getting 670 likes at the time of this comment. If there was a button for multiple likes, I would have hit it many times.

I love your content, however this is a very hard topic and many questions arise, for example if the early church excluded all those who denied the real presence and many other early doctrines from calling themselves Christians? Or those like Eugene IV who was the third Pope to declare EENS a dogma after well over a thousand years of this apostolic teaching saying that all those “ not only pagans, but also jews, heretics and schismatics will not participate in eternal life, but will depart `into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels” how do we reconcile this? Do we just accept the new Catholic Church has adjusted and softened this apostolic teaching and run with it?? If this teaching which was declared a dogma in three separate occasions, even though is hard to take but if true wouldn’t that condemned us too for excusing our efforts to express the absolute necessity to convert every soul into the true faith? If Protestants are heretics which they are, how are they Christians and going to heaven when the teaching of the church has been that not even “Catholics” can be certain they’ll be saved? etc etc

Thank you! Maybe he wanted to ask the question because American Evangelicals often say that Catholics are not Christian. Though this assertion rather seems to be an uniquely American phenomenon. I'm European and I've never heard of a Protestant here who was calling into the question the Christianity of Catholics.

Douglas, knowing the construction of the word communion, how can you accept that there can be partial communion?

@15:00 all protestants just say no to our blessed mother. The vast majority. Catholic tradition has ensured we know she is the mother of God regardless of the intricacies you bring up while protestant flat out and by default reject that phrase

What is the substanial difference between calling a protestant church a Church and calling it an ecclesial community? Sounds like we're saying they aren't a church, but a church community.

I haven't seen Timothy's video and I don't plan to. But for me, I think the entire issue needs to be addressed again by the Magisterium. Back in 1965 when the Church said Protestants are Christian, there was still largely a "Conservative" approach to Christianity among the main Denominations. Even in Europe where most of the Catholic bishops are, Protestantism largely meant conservative Lutheranism, which is the closest Protestant denomination to Catholicism. The reality is, a lot has changed especially in the past 40ish years, with many Protestant denominations going completely off the rails Liberal, including messing with the baptismal formula, messing with Trinitarian theology like making God into gender neutural names to get away from Father/Son, etc. Furthermore, the surge of "non-denominational" Evangelicals have often taken a very harsh anti-sacramental approach to Baptism, which historically Lutherans, Reformed, Methodists, etc, did not do. If a Protestant Evangelical pastor is going to come down very explicitly that Baptism is merely an outward sign that does absolutely nothing to you, then this to me is cause for concern. At what point is a person rejecting a doctrine when they are so wrong about it and so against Catholicism that they willfully deny Baptism does anything to you? I cannot simply sit here and be comfortable allowing their soul to be in jeopardy from what could reasonably be an invalid sacrament. Many Evangelicals don't mind putting off baptism for a long time into adulthood. And groups like Salvation Army and Quakers don't Baptize, which Catholic Answers has put out articles on this of Jimmy Akin saying explicitly they aren't Christian. Many people I know have come from Liberal Protestant denominations whereby their baptism was done willy nilly no regard for proper formula or basic Trinity affirmation. Other denominations like Oneness Pentecostal are turning to be the largest thriving all over the world, and they deny the Trinity. Lastly, the Seventy Day Adventists have indeed had a dubious history with basic Trinitarianism, and the Eastern Orthodox explicitly affirmed "transubstantiation" at Jerusalem 1672 Council, even if they don't like to admit it today. All this is to say, given the major shake up in Christendom the past 40 years, both with American Evangelicals in the 80s-90s, and the outright Liberal takeover of mainlines, it is not safe to merely go with the Vatican 2 statement. Even Pope Leo had to eventually declare Anglican Ordere null and void, after circumstances changed by the 1800s. Furthermore, the Church used to routinely Conditionally Baptize everyone, since it was warranted due to Protestant aberrations even then, and I think as a matter of decency we should be Conditionally Baptizing most converts these days who were baptized since 2000 when lgbt/liberalism strongly took root in most mainline denominations. Timothy might be wrony and gave insufficient evidence, but the opposite extreme of merely granting a blanket acceptance (based on what we know the state of Protestantism these days) is also not a safe approach. Even if we are to say Protestants are Christian, this is terribly misleading to the mainstream listener who can interpret this as Protestantism being a safe option, despite denying several important tenants of historical Christianity. Just as the average Protestant doesn't know what hypostatic union means, they also likewise interpret "Protestants are Christian" to mean just as good as Catholicism with no conversion needed because they get all the same benefits

About 20:27, as far as I know, I don't think eastern Orthodox deny the transubstantiation, they just don't hold by that name, preferring to call it "metousiosis", "metastoicheiosis" or "metabole". Maybe some Orthodox also don't like how transubstantiation is explained because of the heavy influence of Hylomorphism, but that does not change the fact that Catholics and Orthodox agree with the end result of consecration is that bread becomes the body of Christ even though it still looks like bread.

Timothy Gordon has no need to think about it. The Church has been very clear on this issue for a long time.

Tim made a stronger argument than Mr. Beaumont I think. One could go on a bit I suppose but I'll stop at one: If protestants don't consider marriage a sacrament, then how can a protestant marriage be a sacrament?

They're not in the fullness of faith

It honestly depends on which definition we’re operating from. If you mean “Christian” as in those who have received trinitarian baptism then yes Protestants are Christian. But if you mean “Christian” as in those who adhere to Jesus Christ’s true teachings (as taught in the Catholic Church) then no Protestants are not Christian.

How does Vatican 2's ecumenism jive with the Church's dogma no salvation outside the church?

If you are baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit and you believe in the words of the Creed, saying universal in stead of Catholic, the you are a christian according to the law ow the Catholic church. For the baby is a christian as soon as it is baptized.

More scrutiny needs to be given to liberal churches and certain movements like pentecostals though.

Prot Pastor on a long journey. If all people validly baptized are Christians . . . What makes a valid baptism according to the RCC? Wouldn't a valid baptism, only be done by a valid priest, in a valid church, that is validly aligned to the Bishop of Rome? I hate to say it, but if anything along that chain of "validity" would that break the . . . Effectiveness of a baptism? Not even to mention that many Prot traditions don't hold that Baptism isn't a power-grace-filled effectual baptism but "just a symbol."

The Church has, (as you said in the video) said that they are, so it's over. I would argue, is Gordon, Marshall, etc. Are they even Catholic?!

I think Mr. Gordon is making a good argument that Protestants aren’t Catholic. But, sadly, many Catholics don’t conform to Church teaching on many issues, including the sacraments of the Eucharist (according to recent polling), marriage, reconciliation and who qualifies for Holy Orders. Still, it is remarkable that people can claim to be followers of Jesus, yet reject the authority of His Church and reject any teaching they don’t like, instead applying whatever meaning they want to His teachings and proclaiming it valid. That is practicing Christianity imperfectly to say the least!

Tim Gordon is such a hot head. And he has no A game.

I’m confused Dr. but there has to be a limit to protestant invincible ignorance. How many times do you or Catholic Christians who respond to a protestants errors in their posted comments about the Catholic faith or Catholic Christians before they loose that “ii”protection? I say if we correct their error even once and they willfully disregard our correction then they disobeyed Jesus. As our Lord said in Lk 10:16, "He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me.." I’m thinking about what our Lord said to twelve Apostles in Mat 10:14 and then Seventy-two he sent out in Lk 10:11 -12 "if any one will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet as you leave." But Jesus words it very strongly in Mat10:15 Truly, I say to you, it shall be more tolerable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomor′rah than for that town.” or that person. When doe’s invincible ignorance change to something that will affect a persons salvation.

Dr. Beaumont, what is the definition of "Christian"? Without an agreed upon meaning it is hard to come to any conclusion or consensus. There is Catholic teaching that stipulates that, in its strictest sense, a Christian is a Catholic. In general parlance, it seems to apply to anyone who holds to some tenets of the True Faith, such as the Trinity. (A word, ironically, not in Scripture.) But even that is not rock solid, as some non Trinitarians are referred to as Christians. The Catholic Encyclopedia online says: the Christianity of which we speak is that which we find realized in the Catholic Church alone; hence, we are not concerned here with those forms which are embodied in the various non-Catholic Christian sects, whether schismatical or heretical. Attwater's Catholic Dictionary: Christian: A name first given to the followers of our Lord at Antioch (Acts 6:26). Since the rise of protestantism the name has been used in so many different senses as to have become almost meaningless. It may indicate a Catholic or Unitarian, or even be applied to an infidel who displays some virtue which is associated with Christ. It may reasonably be applied to the members of all the ancient churches, whether in communion with the Holy See or not, and to those Protestants who profess, explicitly or implicitly the Nicean creed in its traditional interpretation; but hardly to others. To use the word in an ethical, subjective sense is particularly to be deplored. The Church puts no definite official meaning on the word, as she does on Catholic. If the definition of Christian is one who holds to the totality of the True Faith as taught by the Church established by Our Lord Jesus Christ, then only Catholics are Christians. If holding to some tenets of the True Faith qualifies, then non Catholics can be given the title, but then where is the line drawn as to what the minimum to be held is?

Did I hear you right? Mary gave birth to a human being? That is incorrect. She gave birth to a divine person who had a human and divine nature.

Are Penacostals Christians if they don't have correct Trinitarian theology?

Why are catholics and protestants going as far to denounce the validity of belief in Christ Jesus according to Romans 10:9? I have countless arguments with protestant "brothers" saying catholics cant be saved because they add works. When asked where the bible says that, they (in all honesty) quote me Galatians 5:2, eventhough that is talking about Judaizers...

Good work. It is unfortunately quite common for sincere apologists to unwittingly contradict the teachings of their own churches. This often involves turning a strict scrutiny toward others, yet never turning that same critical eye toward one's own positions. Anyway, it is transparently absurd to argue that those who are legitimately baptized and attempting to live out the teaching of Jesus Christ are not Christians. Christ is obviously present in many communities that are not in communion with Rome.

Regarding mortal sin, the Church teaches that Catholics can be forgiven without a sacramental confession (if they don’t have access to the sacrament of penance) if they have perfect contrition (sorrow for having offended God rather than simply out of fear of punishment). If that's true for Catholics, it would be true for Protestants, wouldn't it? Of course, a Catholic should still go to confession as soon as he can, but if he's not in a position to be able to receive the sacrament for an extended time or even until death, that wouldn't mean he would be condemned just because of the circumstances he was in just as a catechumen wouldn't be automatically condemned if he died before he could receive baptism.

Great stuff

Interesting.

Interesting how Orthodoxy never comes up in these squabbles.

GOOD for TG, after the 100s of years of having to hear Protestants accuse Catholics not being Christians. The Church Jesus gave to St Peter. Upon this rock, I will build my church, not 40,000 plus churches that don't even agree on the same doctrines.

ARGUMENT FOUR: Pope Gregory XVI. (The Catholic Church, you know) Possible answer: he was thinking of things like Liberal Theologians which already in his time were dominating European Protestantism. By 1846, when he died, he could hardly even have heard of the Millerites, and he was decades before Asuza Street and more than a century before Wurmbrandt. Puseyites were a clear minority. He may however have felt that even conservative Calvinists were non-Christians through denying Real Presence and affirming Predestination to Damnation and to the sins by which they are damned (at least in certain forms).

Couple of things i dont agree with Doug. Adventists are not Trinitarian, even though they claim to be. Their idea of the trinity is heretical and unorthodox so on that part Gordon is right. 0

Doug likes to turn off the comments when his arguments are critiqued.

The Baltimore Catechism 1891: Q. 1170. Name the different classes of unbelievers and tell what they are. A. The different classes of unbelievers are: 5. Heretics, who have been baptized Christians, but do not believe all the articles of faith.

Douglas is very complicated and not very clear in his Christological explanations.... I expected much better from him... the question of the personal identity of the man Jesus is not explained by the idiomatum communication, communion of attributes, because this communion logically presupposes the hypostatic union, that is, the basic truth that that man Jesus was and is the eternal Son of God

Define Christian, what are the requirements?

We as Catholics should be unified. We can disagree and that’s Ok, it creates discussion. We should remember though the that we cannot want unity and be divisive at the same time. Timothy Gordon is Catholic. He has defended Vatican 2. Show you are Catholic by not being divisive and making comments that are not becoming of a Catholic.

John 3:36 is where Jesus says you are my friend for being obedient to my commands, eternity in hell for those who are disobedient. I would urge you to consider what the prot religions teach. If they teach anti catholic ideas, definitely not Christian.

Forgive them, for they know not what they do.

St. Peter Canisius, who was instrumental in fighting Protestantism in Germany, wrote the first catechism in 1555, known as the “Catechism of St. Peter Canisius.” This question regarding who may be called a Christian is answered as follows: “Whoever has been initiated by the Sacrament of Baptism of Jesus Christ, true God and man, and confesses the salutary doctrine in His Church, and not those who adhere to any sects or beliefs foreign to the Catholic Church.”

I have a problem of calling Protestants as Christians.. I mean honestly, the most important sacraments are Baptism, reconciliation and the Eucharist. Protestants do not believe baptism as an instrumental cause of justification... Protestant do not believe that when they commit mortal sin they should go to a priests for reconciliation. I mean this is huge. If Christ instituted a church and gave power the apostles to forgive sins .. we must take his words seriously. If we call Protestants Christians then it will be very unfair to the Catholics. Because Catholics are living with the life of an ongoing justification. Where by you need to cooperate with God grace for salvation. If Protestants are Christians then it means that they is no need to convert them to the the Catholic church church since they already Christians. Which is absurd.

you are not truly baptized when you don't believe in baptism

Timothy Gordon is very confused in many areas and worse yet, he causes much confusion among his followers. His comments about Pope Francis are deleterious and should be taken with a grain of salt.

No.

Protestants are not evangelicals. The first ones are divided in Lutherans, Presbyterians, and Anglicans are European denominations. The second ones are from the 19th century, born in the United States. These sects deny sacraments and catechisms and confessions. For example, pentecostalism is not protestant. Methodism is not protestant either. Even the label "protestant" is irrelevant now. Most historical protestants like Lutherans and Presbyterians are liberal in theology and social issues. Protestants are actually a myth.

PAPAL TEACHING: Pope Pius XII declared: “To be Christian one must be Roman. One must recognize the oneness of Christ’s Church that is governed by one successor of the Prince of the Apostles who is the Bishop of Rome, Christ’s Vicar on earth” (Allocution to the Irish pilgrims of October 8, 1957). [Protestant and Orthodox deny the papacy.] Pope Leo XIII declared in Satis Cognitum, “5 So the Christian is a Catholic as long as he lives in the body: cut off from it he becomes a heretic - the life of the spirit follows not the amputated member.” Pope Pius IX Syllabus of Errors (1864) CONDEMNED PROPOSITION: #18. Protestantism is nothing more than another form of the same true Christian religion, in which form it is given to please God equally as in the Catholic Church. - Encyclical “Noscitis,” Dec. 8, 1849.

Ecumenism is a sin John 17. One,Holy,Catholic and Apostolic Church.

Please read about Martin Luther, he was a horrible man!

Thank you, Doug. This is important for people to understand. Sincere Protestants are doing the best they know how to live in the will & grace of God. I know I was one, too. I pray they keep on until they find the fullness of the truth in our Mother, the Catholic Church.🙏❤️

Protestants will never obtain the beatific vision because they don't eat and drink the body and blood of Christ, partake of the Most Blessed Sacrament of the altar.

The Catholic Church IS the Church that Christ built - the fulfilment of the Davidic Kingdom - which is ruled by a King, a Pope, a Queen Mother.

How can Timothy Gordon hold this position as a catholic? The whole point of the church structure is to submit to its rulings especially councils. He honestly sounds like a fundamentalist Baptist than a catholic. I’m a Calvinist but seriously studying Catholicism.

nothing is more annoying to me than Protestants assuming I am not a Christian, we shouldn't return the favor

This is so irresponsible. He sounds like the most outrageous evangelical version of a Catholic apologist: strawmanning Protestant position and concluding they are not Christians. It undermines the seriousness of Catholic apologetics.

“You can’t have part of the sacraments!!!” Says the guy that only partakes from the bread, not the wine.

As a protestant, I see that the Roman Catholic church has contradicted itself on this question. Not only among theologians, but the magusterium itself has changed its views from the Unam Sanctum and Cantate Domino to the Vatican II adjacent documents.

Tim who? Hopefully, he is amenable to reason.

Vatican II is heretical. To be Christian is to be in the Church of Christ. Pope Pius IX, Etsi Multa (#25), 1873: "Therefore the holy martyr Cyprian, writing about schism, denied to the pseudobishop Novatian even the title of Christian, on the grounds that he was cut off and separated from the Church of Christ. 'Whoever he is,' he says, 'and whatever sort he is, he is not a Christian who is not in the Church of Christ.'" Thus to say that Protestants are Christians is to say that they are in the Church of Christ. To say that those who reject Catholic teaching are in the Church of Christ is blatantly heretical. Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum (# 9), June 29, 1896: “The practice of the Church has always been the same, as is shown by the unanimous teaching of the Fathers, who were wont to hold as outside Catholic communion, and alien to the Church, whoever would recede in the least degree from any point of doctrine proposed by her authoritative Magisterium.” Therefore Protestants are not Christians. This is an irrefutable argument. Repent.

Yea you’re not Christian

As a former Presbyterian now Catholic, I can say Presbyterians are Christians, just not perfect Christians.

What about the The Salvation Army which has no sacrament at all, not even baptism?