+aibelzoe perhaps because Catholicism is such an extroverted religion and the Church likes its opinions, oops, "teachings", to be widely known.

+Richard Rabinowitz It's Catholics, Catholic Church,or Catholic way of life ,not "Catholicism". Just ,teaching you the correct pronunciation with no intention of offending you . By you saying "Catholicism" I fell offended.

then why do you have a pope....nonebiblical

Daniel Coffey St. Peter was the first Pope . Lizziesanswers has a reason for that

TJ Kacer and it should Never have

TJ Kacer It only shows how much post-Vatican 2 theological liberalism harms the church, because who needs theology anyways, let's just hold hands and preach about the TOTALLY Biblical dogma of "universal salvation" that's TOTALLY legit and TOTALLY not a lie ;-)

And it never will

Don't be sexist. I know this isn't tradition but maybe god thinks man has gone too far in sexism. There is a group of women priest. They were excommunicated but they still love Him. So don't be a hater on women. You wouldn't believe how long it took men to be able to go shirtless in public. Or how long it took for women to sing in choir.

Awesome Angel W. I will try to respond in an orderly fashion, have some patience and read. Sexism has nothing to do with anything. Listen again to 0:15 - 1:30 and understand that NOTHING is mentioned about why women are inferior or why men are more persuasive or why the Church thinks priestesses are an evil notion. NOTHING along those lines is brought up. What IS explained is that Christ chose men for priesthood. The Church didn't pick men only, it was God who chose men. And while we can go into why or why nots about God's plan, what is most ultimately important is acceptance of God's will with humility and He who made us, knows what is best for us. Think of this: when have you EVER heard of a man who wants to be a NUN??? NEVER, and why? Not because of a silly belief that its some kind of 'women's only club' and men aren't into living a humble life. Not because of a silly belief that priesthood is a 'men's only club' and women don't have the guts to live a tough life in today's world. Rather it is because men and women alike throughout history have come to acceptance of who they are AS MEN AND WOMEN. There are differences between us and THAT is precisely why each man and woman is unique and special. Why women are Mothers and men are Fathers. God designed each person just as he designed our sexes to fulfill specific roles in natural creation. Homosexuality IS NOT unique to today's political (yes political) movement. Homosexuality has occurred throughout history even back to the time of the Minoan civilization. And yet even in the cultures that have excepted homosexuality, it was ALWAYS frowned upon when it came to family relations because the ancients knew something was fundamentally wrong about it. Today's movement of homosexual marriage would have everyone believe that since the dawn of time, family does not have to mean one mother and one father but that two men or just two women (Canada actually had a court case in which 2 men and 2 women both tried to get custody or at least visitation right for one child) can raise a child by themselves. But it is a matter of decades of study and fact that a single mother or father has a constant struggle because of the absence of the other parent of the opposite sex. Daughters and sons who grew up without the balance of two parents of the opposite sex with all the emotional and psychological pros and cons between them to create a balance. Consider boys who grow up without their fathers, they are heavily tempted to join gangs or other nefarious organizations because they see the order and authority figure that leads them and they need that connection in their lives. Girls who grow up without their fathers are prone to not accepting their own identity as a beautiful person, and thus they are tempted to go to those who tell them they are: abusive boyfriends, strip clubs, drugs and/or prostitution. Yet people ignore these things because of the fear of oppression and all past and present studies are ignored by excuses of people who see restrictions for this or that organization and in response to their own hurts they cast their anger and distrust upon it. Conceiving of a good reason, even after one is presented, or even consider that such restriction are FOR THEIR OWN GOOD is looked upon as offensive, absurd that someone knows better than they do lest of all God (if they believe in God to begin with) who is supposed to be loving and open to all of His creation. BUT GOD MADE US DIFFERENT AND CALLED US GOOD IN OUR DIFFERENCES. Yet the acceptance of a God who made creation WITH RESTRICTIONS on who and what we are supposed to be is deemed as hypocritical and counter to the kumbayah attitude of who and what God is by today's standards. And hence the reason why a 'men only' organization is looked upon as chauvinistic, backward and 'behind the times'.

Awesome Angel W. Stop being brainwashed by the extreme left.

Awesome Angel W. Ordination' in international waters... hhhhhhhh

Awesome Angel W. Boys choirs are much more beautiful than choirs with women. Thank goodness some places still have tradition.

men cant become pregnant because of biology... not beliefs thats the worst analogy

Actually the house of laity went against female ordination. There are 2 clerical houses as well.

They have them. They're called religious brothers.

+Louie H. That's my point: if there are monks, then there ought to be priestesses, or a similarly elevated role for the women. See, if there are priests and nuns....

+Richard Rabinowitz Let me share this information with you,the Vatican never want's to have a Nuns. Woman impose her self and the society was pushing hard,just like today. The Pope aloud the convents but it give the Nuns free will over their convents, he don't want to be involve with them,and it's a long history.

+aibelzoe Well, the Church has nuns now. And the women were right to be assertive and get the men's attention. If a religion is merely a boy's club, why should women care about it at all? Why should the women teach it to their children? It would just wind up being a fraternal organization.

+Richard Rabinowitz That is kind of like comparing apples to oranges. A monk can be a priest, or laity (brother). Whats the matter with a Mother Superior. Men and women are not exactly equal in every aspect.

I loved the wording

Not everything is written in The Bible so you can't find what you're finding word per word. BUT, in the Last Supper where Jesus (a male) instituted The Eucharist and established the Priesthood, He ordained the Apostles which are all male. Have you watched the whole video? Seems to me thay you hadn't, so go watch it and understand the priests explanation.

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+Richard Rabinowitz Don't confuse fake catholic churches with Jesus Catholic Church, where the Pope is sitting on Peter's chair, that's the one ,the only church of Christ. And we don't have a women as a priest,not long ago about 100 women when to the Vatican and tell the Pope that they was ordain as a priest by Catholic bishop,then the Pope excommunicate all of them.

+aibelzoe Of course, adherents to Christian denominations like to think "their" denomination was the one that Jesus founded and built, particularly if the adherents are some variety of Catholic and/or Orthodox.

+Richard Rabinowitz The above mentioned are heretics. Broken away from the original Church.

+Richard Rabinowitz Of course, every denomination has own opinions. Nevertheless, you mentioned that "catholics ordain women". So, we are explaining that those are not Catholics, in the Catholic Church's opinion. And the word "ordain" here may be only in quote marks.

So how many sects are there in the Catholic religion besides the Orthodox Roman Catholics? any information would be helpful thanks?

What makes you think women are meant to be dishwashers? Back it up with some hard evidence, I dare you. Some solid SCIENTIFIC evidence. Oh yeah- there isn't any.

Beatrix Leys because I am a woman 🧼👩🏿‍🍳

A lot of people use their phones and tablets and autocorrect is expected. The fact that you are so ignorant and critical of it says more about you. 2nd many online are not from english speaking countries, leave your own little world and realize the world doesn't revolve around little you. You are not God.

@@nenabunena Excuses, excuses. Typing mistakes I can understand, but this isn't it. I didn`t know only God is allowed to get annoyed at common spelling or grammar mistakes. Do you have spelling mistakes in your resume? This is not Tumblr where immature people talk about silly things. With adult subjects, I expect a minimum of general knowledge. If one makes such mistakes, I have to wonder if the person is knowledgeable in general.

jurisprudens I'm sorry, but did you ASK for it?

jurisprudens Tell me, exactly what is it that you want?

jurisprudens Just tell me what you want me to "prove" or I will remove you from this thread. I've better things to do than play games.

***** Well, as a start, you can read the transcripts of the Church Councils themselves, during the period of time when the ousting of women took place. Some people, notably hard-line Roman Catholics, often claim that the Church Fathers rejected women's ordination, not because it was incompatible with Christian culture, but because it was incompatible with Christian faith. This is hardly true. If this were so, they would have removed women way before the 4th and 5th Centuries when most of the oppression took place. If what they state is true, what was the Holy Spirit in the Church doing up until then? During the 4th and 5th century and beyond, the Christian church gradually extinguished women's access to positions of power in the church. There are many citations from the Church's OWN records- some that the Roma Cathlic Church has tried to suppress (or at least do not publicise, for obvious reasons), but these will be sufficient, I think, to make the point: (a) Council of Laodicea (352 CE): Women were forbidden from then on from the priesthood. They also were prohibited from presiding over churches any more. They decided that "One ought not to establish in the church the women called overseers (presbutidas)....women must no longer approach the altar." _This, of course, confirms that BEFORE this decision, women DID "approach the altar" as "presbutidas"_ (b) Fourth Synod of Carthage (398 CE) "A woman, however learned and holy, may not presume any more to teach men in an assembly...A woman may no longer baptize." _This confirms that women DID once both preach/teach and baptise._ (c) Council of Chalcedon (451 CE). Canon #15 of the Council states: 7 "No woman under 40 years of age is to be ordained a deacon, and then only after close scrutiny." _Apparently, after the removal of women acting in a priestly role (presbutidas). the council then wanted to start restricting the ordination of women deacons, which must have been a common practice at the time. And, of course, anyone ordained to the Holy Order of Deacon would be eligible for later ordination to the priesthood as well._ Those are just three examples. If you disagree that before this women had priestly roles, you need to explain why Paul greeted the Laodician woman Nympha (reiterating her femininity THREE times in the Greek) at the end of the letter to the Colossians and "the church that meets in HER house" and yet completely shunned not only the "real" (male, of course...) Church leader there, but also the priest who presided at services, and also went totally against early Church culture where the house-owner ALWAYS acted as Church leader, presiding at the Eucharists in his/her house, thus fulfilling the definitive priestly function. Why would Paul, a stickler for instructing the early Christians on just HOW to behave in worship, greet a woman who, according to some, did little but make the coffee after the service, while simultaneously shunning the (male) people who mattered? Answer: Nympha was the house-owner, and, true to the culture of the Greco-Roman world, led the worship in Laodicia in her own home, presiding at the Eucharist and therefore fulfilling the defining priestly role. Period.

***** "Thanks for your reply. Will be researching this." Why? Are you here to try and prove otherwise or condone the misogyny of the Roman Catholic Church? :-)

What utter sexist garbage. 1. "God cannot be female" Well, considering the Hebrew AND Aramaic (the language Jesus spoke) for Holy Spirit is FEMALE, this first sentence of yours is bullcrap. 2. "No where in history does it indicate God ever asked the question: "How do I look?"..." I won't even honour this sexist trash with a comment 3. The fact is that women presided at the eucharist, the defining priestly function, in the Church that CHRIST founded, before men ousted them from their positions. Transcripts from the 4th and 5th Century councils and the Church's OWN records, confirms this. Stand corrected you offensive misogynist.

The nature of God is Spirit, and.....lets just say, God can be whatever he wants to be.

Beney Elohim I'll ask again,,, You now claim that "God can be whatever he wants to be" so *why insist on a male celebrating the mass?* Simple question? Or is it yet another simple point that proves how absurd you have been?

***** Because I'm not God

Beney Elohim "Because I'm not God " Oh I think I have worked out what you are already.

You are right, in the Celtic church they held high positions till the 8th (!) century, only when the Roman Catholic church took over, the women started to be repressed, As I am sad to say as a catholic.

If you read Irenaeus or Tertullian you will see that women`s ordination was condemned in the early church. Jesus was not a revolutionary. He was faithful to the law and the prophets. Jesus believed in the Mosaic priesthood. Jesus only called men to be his apostles.

The Celtic church was always loyal to the church of Rome, and nuns are by definition consecrated virgins. Both nuns and monks cannot marry. Women were treated far better by the Catholic Church than by the Romans and Greeks. The church allowed women to own their own property, banned the raping of female slaves, forbade infanticide, forced marriages, and increased the penalties for rape. The early church was very popular amongst women, who preferred it over Roman society. Even so, women`s ordination was always condemned. There were female saints, and nuns, even non-ordained deacons, but the priesthood was always all male.

LoveJesusGod he’s passionate about the Catholic Church.

It's 21st century and Jesus Christ was what century

+Tom Greene Not true,Peter was a widow and never remarried. Even Jesus adopt the celibate.

Ah I see

+Tom Greene 1. Mary brought Jesus in a natural way, although conceived him in a supernatural way. Nevertheless, Jesus called only the 12 chosen men for the Last Supper. 2. Marriage/celibacy of the priesthood is an absolutely different question, unrelated to the priest's gender.

+jurisprudens Indeed !

St. John, St. Luke, St. Mark , St. Paul, St. Timothy never married...

+outinsider Yes, in many respect women are closer to God. However, some jobs and vocations are for women only, and some, like priesthood, are for men only. Men and women are different, it's natural and simple.

+jurisprudens "Whether man or woman, Jewish or Gentle, slave or free, all are equal in the eyes of our God."-Paul

So, what? Equal does not mean the same. Equal in various special gifts God bestows on people depending on gender, origin, culture, etc.

+jurisprudens The sin is in the sexism, and God is not sexist, let alone through Jesus.

outinsider I don't remember the "sin of sexism" mentioned in the Bible.

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blablabubles "Infalible Dogma of the Church " Ahhh club rules.... That is exactly why I said "There is absolutely NO reason, *scripturally nor theologically nor historically* why women should not return to the priesthood. Now, whether your club wants to adhere to this is another question, but the Church that CHRIST founded thought in a very different way. I assume these club rules also condoned the priestly rape of children by its covering up of their heinous crimes? Isn't it about time these club rules were revisited???

***** Hello, Please drop an email to my private message service and we can take it from there. John

There is every reason. Starting with the Magisterium.

michael kenny the Church will never be destroyed. “ I will build my Church, even gates of hell shall not prevail over it”

+Awesome Angel W. Priesthood isn't a right, it's a vocation from God. Priesthood is inherently masculine, paternal. It's metaphysically impossible to ordain a woman. It has nothing to do with sexism. The greatest member of the Church was a woman, Mary. And she was never a priest.

+T. J. Willis Well, no actually.... God can give vocations to anyone. It's the institution that has the views about women priest. The church came from a time of men having the dominant roles. If you read Ephesians there's like a section on that. I respect your opinion. But, if the church allowed certain things like women priests, married priests... there wouldn't be such a dwindling population of priests here in the US. Just an opinion.

Awesome Angel W. So for 2,000 years God has been calling women to the priesthood but has not leading the Church, by the Holy Spirit, to ordain the women he has been calling? God sounds like a real trickster then - sort of like Lucy van Pelt, holding out a football to Charlie Brown and snatching it away at the last second. If God is really a celestial troublemaker I don't want anything to do with him. The Church's theology - liturgical and sacramental - shows that priesthood is a necessarily paternal ministry. Again, theology shows that priesthood is a vocation and not a right. No sacrament is ever a 'right,' it is only a gift. Men don't have a right to maternity. Women don't have a right to paternity. If someone things paternity is more important than maternity, then he or she is the sexist, not the Church.