Thank you guys SO much for 30,000 subscribers! I appreciate it! I might be able to get another video out for you guys tomorrow night, just get this blowing up first though please! Check out MJ's channel in the description below for awesome VS battles and other fun topics!

Yajirobe Ultra Instinct curbstomps Goku and the Angels.

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Power scaling is important for a show. Tired of people trying to say that power scaling is irrelevant and doesn’t work.

Inb4 "sCaLiNg AnD tIeRiNg Is FaN mAdE"

You deserve it my boy. You, Seth and MJ's and other power scalers content puts a smile on my face

I honestly cant believe these videos have to be made for a lot people. I understand for newer people getting in to anime and comics, but its still being made for the majority of fans. Keep up the good work. I'll look forward to another power scaling video by the end of the year. Lol

Once again you have provided a very accurate video. I appreciate the great content

Power scaling is nothing more than "who can beat who?" which is literally used in any fight. Pick one, UFC, comics, high school fights, wrestling, hell even wwe. Literally everything that has to do with fighting, whether its fake or real.

Congrats on 30k subs! I love your stuff bro!

In my honest opinion, I see powerscaling as a mix of statements and feats from the series. Also a bit of common sense here and there, that way it isn't so confusing, great video btw. 👍👍👍

My issue with power scaling, is not the power scaling itself. That's all fine, even though I prefer the narrative. My issue is with the power scaling community and how smug they really get. And this comment section is proving my point whole sale. Power scaling is fine, it's needed sometimes but people don't need to act like a smug shit about it.

Congrats on 30k

Frost is back!

Great video!

Congrats on 30k! You do some of my favorite videos! Great work man!

I don't think it's power scaling per say that's the issue, but rather the faulty fan calculations with no canon information to go off of.

Oh by the way, I forgot to say congratulations on reaching 30,000 subscribers! So yeah congratulations and you'll be at 50,000 in no time at the rate your channel is going.

Congrats on 30k keep it up. Your videos are amazing your one of the only powerscalers who knows what there doing

This gotta be good! Great job on 30k Subs.

It does matter. Unfortunately, power scaling fighters within the tournament of power arc is difficult since so many are forced to pull their punches so they don't kill their opponents by mistake and get disqualified ( Frost v Roshi is a good example of that)

Thanks to you and Seth for this stuff for real

congrats on 30k chucc💗💗 and thanks for this video!! also stellar is mine!!

Great video man loving all these uploads keep up the good work

You deserve many more subs and i really dont understand how ignorant people's opinion on powerscaling is and dont get how it's necessary

Popo 0.001% full power > MUI Kaioken × infinity Vegito

Congrats on 30000 subscribers

AWESOME VID!!

If Dragon Ball didnt ramp up people's powers so fast and didnt go beyond star levels then we would have as much of a problem lol. It's shitty writing to always make your characters have to state powerlevels and who's stronger.

people hate on power scaling because it proves there wrong about who would win in a battle and it makes there feet less and no fact based opinions become debunked and they then get salty and use emotion appeal fallacy

30k! My gosh chuck that's amazing. I remember when Seth had 25k. Wow you can powerscale with KZfaq subscribers. Thanks for the Video Chuck and MJ

Congrats On 30K Subbarashi!

One major reason some fans dont want to accept scaling is bc they in many cases they want to believe there fav can stand up or is on par with the more powerful characters..we live in a world today where fans just want to believe what suits them and will try to attack you for defending the facts that are stated...just sad really.

Power scaling is stupid. Fights aren't won with brute strength and numbers, it's also won with strategy, technique, circumstance, and sometimes pure dumb luck. Assuming someone can occur the same feats as another just because they are "stronger" is close minded. You wouldn't assume someone in real life would be able to achieve the same feats as someone who is physically weaker just because "they are stronger". Would you assume someone who can lift 500+ Ibs. be able to long jump over 10 feet just because they are physically stronger? Of course not! Characters have unique strengths and weaknesses, it isn't a JRPG where everything is just a singular number statistic. That's my take on it.

congrats on 30k subs! love your videos that you do

Congratulations on 30k! Also, multi-planet level? Whaaaaaa?!

Yep, even in Yu Yu Hakusho, they have statements that back characters up. For example if I remember correctly in the manga, yusuke's master told him that he could destroy a country if he should become fully enraged as an A class demon. So, is his master lying to him? Probably not he could probably blow up a f****** country LOL.

For the fandom it matters. For the plot not so much. Feats always take more precedence over fan theories however. Powerscaling involves too much speculation and “ballpark” number crunching to be accurate imo. Feats in the story may fluctuate but going with the most consistent showings simply makes the most sense. The characters will always be as strong as needed to push the plot or for the circumstance. Example: (Kale, Califla/Kefla) (Even Goku getting UI for the tourney only to lose it afterward) and (Vegeta ascending blue to keep up with and help Goku vs Jiren). I’d say this stuff is hardly quantifiable despite the math savvy part of the fan base and their calculations.

good job Chuck and congrats on the 30K

Congrats on 30k mate! Also, juubidara solos your fav xD

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I fuckin LOVE Yu Yu Hakusho. Congrats on the 30k bruh!

congrats fam and keep preaching the truth

So wait goku is multi-planet even though the feat he does at the first ark of super where beris's exess of energy that goku couldn't block at first was going to destroy all of universe 7 in 3 punches..... OK sure. Lol This is why I love listening to you cause you understand how these characters get more powerful

Am I the only one that noticed that "often" by the weeknd background music?

oh yea congrats on 30 k subs

Honestly most people seem to hate scaling because it says who is more powerful then others as a fact 1. Characters in almost any series become stronger as the fight goes on power scaling is just to prevent it from going crazy 2. A quote from one of my favorite series goh “if numbers were everything we wouldn’t be here”

The only reason I can see why people don't believe in power scaling is because it requires the use of logic and common sense; two things that in all honesty are practically super powers, considering how uncommon they are.

The only reason we never see feats to back up statements is because of the mortal limitations of shonen characters. Case in point, why we don't see Cell destroy a solar system is because none of the Z Fighters can breathe in space and if they tried to wear an armored space suit then it would get destroyed in the first five minutes of tanking the kind of damage Cell could put out. This is why the Goku vs Beerus fight is so important because Goku finally gets around this weakness through some unknown quality of god Ki that we can see the full scale effects of the battle, which only idiots want to deny. This mortal limitation thing is a constant problem in shonen because authors have trouble finding ways around these limits, especially if the technology in the universe they live in can't keep up with the destructive output. Furthermore sometimes the limit doesn't lay with the character but also the societal circumstances such as in Yu Yu Hakusho, if Yusuke is country level by the time he gets to the Dark Tournament, well then you have two problems. 1) They're fighting in a secret tournament, the whole point of the show is that Demon Society is hidden from humans so neither the hero or his opponent can cut loose and unleash that kind of power and bring attention to that society. 2; *They're fighting in a secret tournament*. A tournament with an arena, rules, and a friggin audience. This is where just about *all* shonen series fail usually, the author or a character gives a statement of power scaling proportions and then immediately relegates that destructive potential to an environment where it has to be constantly held in check because in Japanese culture discipline and control are highly valued traits. I wish a lot of eastern authors would give a giant 'screw you' to those notions and let their characters do what they claim they can do. In the west we love wanton destruction in a fictional character now and then which is why DC and Marvel's characters are often shown wrecking so much shit that the governments of Earth should be bankrupt by now for all the repairs constantly being made and stuff being replaced. This is my firm belief and opinion regarding this issue. Thank you for reading.

Congrats on 30K

Congrats Chuck

Depends on what your looking at. When it comes to viewing it as a critic power scaling is necessary. When it comes to watching as a fan I couldn’t care less. The last episode of Super I watched as a fan and it was very relaxing not worrying about all the scaling from an inconsistent show. My opinion. Just depends on what you’re viewing it from.

Bro power scaling is dumb like if we use power scaling pre time skip luffy is universal level is just that dumb

Loved the background music Chuck

You already had me hooked too the video at the intro 😂😂

Can you make a vid about "How strong is Alucard from Hellsing Ultimate"

Rock >>> SSJ Goku

Krillin >>>>>> Saitama

30k subs nice job

Scaling matters to debates but to story its common sense that shouldn't need to be explained. Its really annoying when added attention is given to it. The suvival arc was unbearable with this. Whis and krillin treat me like i was 3 and take away the momentum of the story and fights. But people who ignore scaling are baise for debates. Not in the context of a story!(i hope)

When 2 nerds tried to defend dbz trash power scaling:

at this point i stopped caring when i was a kid but congrats on the 30,000

The day when Chuck reaches 30k is finally here. Gongrats man. Next up 40k

Just do Kickstarter campaign to fund Toryiama to make updated official power level list.

What I think people don't get is that power scaling without narrative flow or visual representation is absolutely arbitrary. You brought up multiple series that are doing completely different things. Say, for example, OPM. They're making fun of the concept of power scaling while also establishing a basic understanding of the tension meant to be conveyed. But they're intentionally inconsistent. They made the monster ranking system flexible, but also unreliable. A weak monster can still be dragon level with the right tech, intelligence, ability, or circumstances. It says nothing about their power. For Naruto, the ninja rankings don't say anything about power, but narrative expectations for the audience and characters. But, again, they always defy them since the very start. For Marvel and DC, those are meant to show the threat of a situation, sure, but what people don't understand is that it's not always a slug fest with these stories. These characters are usually an exaggeration of some aspect of people, a culture, or the protagonists. They're that size as a personal challenge. The writers are usually aware of how ridiculous just stating a power level is. For DB, it survives only because it keeps amping up powers by statements only. The narrative of the franchise is basically "might makes right, and relevant". That's why people don't like it. That's especially why people don't like seeing irrelevant people being scaled to ridiculous levels. People subconsciously respond to the narrative in a way that isn't as present in other series. Goku is forgiven for being a villain (he basically is one. Well, he's more of an anti-villain; he automatically opposes villains, but his behavior is still like that of a villain in that he always pursues greater power at any cost) simply because he's powerful and has great "potential" or he's a "prodigy". Those are narrative speak for "I can't think of any other reason he's as strong or important as he is". People used to hate Beerus. They hated that he was so strong and so outwardly careless of people's lives. They couldn't stand that Goku couldn't surpass him. I loved it. Not because I hate Goku, but because that was a challenge they couldn't punch into submission. He was the most nuanced character at the time. He was immortal, all powerful, and exercised his power and status to get things that made life worth living, or allowed to live I should say. He was what the narrative message was building up to. That ultimately, strength is the greatest arbiter of morality and justice. He made the heroes and villains simultaneously correct. If nobody noticed, this is why Gohan was seen as a terrible person, even if he did everything we were meant to see as good traits. The problem came when the narrative became too explicit. Gohan and others _had_ to be caught up as soon as possible if they were going to be relevant and heroic. Enemies had to in order to be imposing, or to seek like they mattered. Nobody would've cared about Cabba if it wasn't for the fact that Vegeta was going to be a father figure to him, the one that instilled the "might makes right" ideas into him. They didn't like it when new, random saiyins showed up and challenged the unchallengeable. Kefla was expected to be nuanced and such because she challenged the status quo, that Goku was the strongest. She shook our foundation that he was the best based on his strength. Jiren was even worse. He was loved _and_ hated for his power. People flocked to him like he was made of honey, and others jumped back. But, alas, he too became an explicit advertiser of "might makes right". What I'm saying is that judging by how fans react when that narrative becomes explicit, we can see why people hate power scaling. We do vs debates because it's really a "who's the best?" contest. DB's entire story is that, which is why it's always being challenged. When you start telling us characters we don't like at all are stronger than our favorites, we have negative reactions because you're saying they're secretly better (not in actuality, of course). That's why people feel weird when you say a random kid's show has characters technically more powerful, or when you say a poorly written series has stronger characters as a general rule. It feels cheap and too on the nose. This is a long comment to say that power scaling sounds like a cheap way to make uninteresting characters relevant to people that don't want to hear about them. It's not that they don't think it's happening, we all know it is. It's just really cheap in DB. They can just say characters are stronger than before and have all fights look like two old guys slapping each other, and we'd be expected to believe it. It's not used as a narrative tool to increase tension, it _is_ the narrative. That's all anyone ever hears about DB and they don't like it.

Yes I definitely agree with this video power scaling for characters especially Dragon Ball characters or any other fictional characters rather is comic books movie or anime power scaling does matter especially in versus debating that's a something I want to point out there thank you for making this video I liked it.

damn boiii at 30k subs nice

Authors intent > your head-cannon

Yep

One thing that causes power scaling to fall apart is when different abilities and techniques that aren't necessarily indicative of power are shown off. Like Krillin's Destructo Disc is said to be able to cut through anything (the scene with Cell tanking it in the anime is filler), meaning that unless stated otherwise, Krillin could use that technique to cut any enemy in half. But in terms of actual battle power, Krillin is nowhere near the levels of some of the enemies he uses the attack on. Or with Tien and the Kikoho attack. Tien's actual battle power is never anywhere near Nappa or Cell during those sagas, but the Kikoho holds Semi-Perfect Cell at bay and is stated to have had the potential to kill an unguarded Nappa even though we know Tien doesn't measure up to them in power. Or how it was stated in the Raditz fight that the Kamehameha and Special Beam Cannon focus power into single points without being indicative of Goku and Piccolo's actual battle powers. So yeah. It's important to have scaling and tiers and whatnot. But when techniques can be vasty stronger or have more utility than the ones using them, then it shows that regardless of tiers, strategy and technique can be just as important, if not more so.

MJ with the clean thumbnails. Think he charges to do that?

Do an updated video on God of strength superman. You downplayed him in the first one

"Goku is multi planet level"

My friend needs to watch this 100 Times

Love that little intro

The people who think power scaling is stupid are probably the same people who think that anyone with a gun can beat Goku.

Getting real...nothing matters at the end of the day. It's just a kids show where people win because the plot demands it. It

My Man CHUCK BACK AT IT AGAIN WITH THE POWER SCALING.

I really hope you do a video for Yu Yu Hakusho in the future

Top 10 Fighters Tournament of power contestants 1. MUI goku 2.Jiren 3. Super Saiyan Royal Blue vegeta 4. Haki Toppo 5.SS2 Kefla 6.aniraza 7. Hit 8. Golden Frieza 8. Android 17 10. Ultimate Gohan

yu yu hakusho scaling is way better then DBZ. their feats kept consistently and steadily went up and up...you didnt NEED the statements but they are nice to have to add a little context. DBZ doesn't do this very well at all. It almost completely relies on statements because the show doesn't have the characters do anything new. Their level of destruction doesn't change based off how strong they are. dragon ball feats almost never grow into anything bigger or badder they fight at the same intensity (visually) the entire show. so its not wonder people fail to scale them correctly...its the shows fault

Great video. Yes ppl it matters.

How do people who refute this argument think? The evidence is right in front of them and they choose to ignore it. 😂 Great video man keep up the work!

First off. congrats on 30K! Second. while i do think that power scaling is very viable. I can understand some people's grip with it. an argument i see often is that you don't have to be as powerful as someone to beat them. you just need to be powerful enough and play your cards right. now, i actually agree with this statement. but i still think it's viable to scale characters depending on how much character A struggles against character B in a fight.

So then Saitama can "potentially" do things we haven't seen yet and isn't less stronger than Krillen. lol

"But powerscaling is bs. It's just bad writing"

I think narrative and writers intention is huge in power scaling for DBS

it really doesnt

Scaling exists in everything because all scaling does is use scientific logic and facts, with a bit of common sense, to find a character’s power based on feats and statements. So you can’t really win against science no matter how much you wanna believe a character isn’t as strong as science says he/she is lol.

I liked as soon as this started

Feats > powerscaling when feats are shown but yeah powerscaling is still needed from time to time to make sense.

Dragon Ball is inconsistent in both statements and feats. Then again, so are most fictional stories. This is the problem with power scaling.

The problem with scaling in DBZ is that it creates power levels that are unfathomable and unsupported by what the characters actually do on screen/page. According to scaling Goku should be quintillion times faster than light, yet, we see Bulma actively following Golden Frieza's and SSB Goku's fight during ROF. According to scaling just one Ki blast from Ultra Instinct Goku should be powerful enough to vaporize every universe within the DB Multiverse. Nothing he's done supports that level of power. Scaling matters, yes, but it's a slippery slope consider the ridiculous powers of these characters.

Lol that picture of mj was awesome

The problem with power scaling in Dragon Ball and in Fiction in general, is that in the end a character is as strong as the author say they are at the time they are writing them. All you best calculations and speculation go out the window next episode when the character needs to be at a different level. maybe there's a case to be made for power scaling a finished works, but power scaling an on going series is like trying to guess the flavor of the week. there is no consistency in Dragon Ball especially.

Scaling is fine but when you try to make sense of nonsensical bs the story throws at you and tries to weave it in you’re in for a bad time. 1) trying to “scale” the universe “busting” quaking punches Beerus and Goku shared. 2)trying to make sense of how useless Blue Kaioken’s 10x or 20x multiplier. (Here’s a hint, it’s anime exclusive so don’t bother thinking too hard on it)

Its amazing how u guys go off statements for what boosts your argument but contradict yourselfs

How those this man only have 30 k subs?

Scaling in Dragon Ball is a must have if you’re talking about god level beings fighting against mortals and whatnot so it’s really important. People don’t think it’s important because they’re too lazy to scale or to ignorant to accept that Scaling even matters in a show like this