It's not just viable, it's one of the best hand slot weapons in the game. It's the top tier weapon for any 1v1 Jeanne fight as the tonfa hits and the rockets stagger her super well, as well as staggering many other enemies reliably, all while giving massive combo points and damage. The initial punch in PPPKKK or PKP is a bit slow but you can dodge cancel it or use it far enough to get the rockets firing safely. I tend to use Shuraba for the 1v3 Jeanne fight though because the sweep attack the sword has on PKP works well to hit multiple enemies quickly. But rockets do work well there too.

Prior to this run I had at least 1 run on livestream where bayoclone had 1/4 of her health remaining on her last lifebar and then I got hit. ;w; On the plus side if I was getting to her consistently with Pure Plat rank it meant I'd eventually get a winning run if I kept at it, and here I am! The Little King Zero runs I have are more impressive, he's way harder to Pure Plat with due to being much worse at using Pulley's Butterfly.

It was made by a dev who worked on Deathsmiles II and Akai Katana. :)

Thanks! I tried playing with the Windina, the one that has the really powerful spreadshot that's really popular, but I found that having a shield in front of me really helped, especially for that one attack the final boss uses that fires a ton of purple blockable shots that I otherwise have no idea how to dodge. It took me a long time to get consistent enough to go for 1cc runs, and then of course the first time I 1cc it I did it deathless somehow?? Shield ftw. >w>;;;

@@BareKnuckleRoo Yeah, my play style is pretty defensive, and Dino 246 is the only spaceship that has a shield at the front so it's perfect for me!

:^)

Thanks! I find it's more fun than using the quit -> continue exploit and it trains you better for Lost Chapter where you can't use that exploit. :)

​@@BareKnuckleRoo yeah, that's why I allow myself to use Bracelet of Time even though others regard it as something that makes a certain fight easy. Although I agree to it to a certain degree but then I'm not doing a spliced clip so yeah haha.

@@cee8990 Bracelet of Time requires skill in building up magic at least so that you can then plan to use it, it's more skill oriented tham splicing clips together I think!

@@BareKnuckleRoo yeah I totally agree

Haha, I'm glad you enjoyed it or found it helpful! It was just something silly I made for fun to see what'd happen if he crafted every weapon in a single go (which means several playthroughs with only Scarborough Fair).

I'm not google.com but ceoyap.github.io/2021/03/wangan-midnight-maximum-tune-5-on-pc-with-teknoparrot/

Taillight's probably my fave from the original soundtrack of WMMT4 and 5! This remix is by IMOJIST who's done several really good eurobeat remixes of songs from the series: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/lc12gdiept_PZ4E.html

Yeah, sadly no official port yet.

teknoparrot, I believe this youtuber is using a controller

@@altria5538 That's right. :) He knows how to set it up, turns out he has the emulator for this, he just didn't realize WMMT5 is playable in it. ;)

Thanks, I appreciate it. I think I had an earlier run posted where I had some deaths, then when I got REALLY into score attacking it I decided having both runs up was a bit redundant. I think I discovered it first on Ghegs' channel? It was neat seeing a game that went all in on left/right shooting long before Deathsmiles existed, and the aesthetics and music of the game really gripped me. I'm a sucker for games with O'Neill Cylinders. It's quite brutal in terms of recovery if you die at a bad spot, but this is balanced out by how insanely strong you are at max shot power, and how many powerups you end up getting.

I was really worried I lost the Platinum combo when the enemy went and got itself killed. xD

It's not too crazy, you get a lot of resources to work with, and the lower difficulties are very beginner approachable.

Thanks a lot, I'm glad to hear it helped!

Onyx Roses are a good in between. They hit hard and stagger a lot of enemies up close, and are faster than Kilgore. :) The only problem is their scoring sucks compared to Scarborough Fair or Kilgore.

@@BareKnuckleRoo yea and you need to be SO close to stagger too

Thanks! The Onyx Roses actually work pretty decently on Jeanne/Bayonetta Clone too, they're unblockable at close range (but they can block the shots if you're at a distance). Scarborough Fair will definitely get the job done too, it's just tougher as they block a lot of shots. Keeping Scarborough Fair on the feet is actually a key part of my strategy as it causes her to try and block bullets, thus stopping her as she eats rockets to the face.

Bayonetta and Zero can dodge up to 4 times without dropping a combo, Jeanne can basically dodge offset all she wants without dropping a combo, she won't do the high jump you get if you dodge 5 times in a row.

Then have you considered playing something else?

Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean? I find the hard part, especially depending on the controller, is getting the game to properly register the spin when you want a Bullet Climax but I can't think of it being fussy about giving you them when you don't want one. This mainly applies to the Steam version, which doesn't register spin inputs on an analog stick as well as the XB360 and Switch ver seem to.

Recently? No, I lost it years ago.

@@BareKnuckleRoo yeah I figured. Losing mine too trying to reach verse 5 in angel slayer

@@deluxe1886 Good luck! Keep in mind this challenge run was after like 5 or 6 Pure Platinum clears playing more "normally" and using Pulley's Butterfly to make it more fun and be able to be aggressive without worrying about the camera swinging at a bat time. The other videos of clears I have might be more helpful to you as reference. What waves are you struggling with?

@@BareKnuckleRoo Thank you! I'm well aware of your other videos, in fact I've been watching them since last year and you're absolutely skilled at this game, fr. I'm actually using some of your strats and I've done a lot of progress just today (I don't play as often as years before, but still got the skills). I'm struggling with the last half of verse 4 onwards because 2 hits take all my hp and magic, getting me rid of Pulley's Butterfly, and I have to face 3 Jeannes before the last extremely hard fight. Maybe I'll use the laser blade exploit, although I'm not a fan of the idea, but looks like I don't have any other choice if I ever want to clear this for the first time lol. At least I'm happy to say that I finally made it to verse 5, thx a lot for your videos!

@@deluxe1886 Congrats, Verse 5 is progress! My preferred strat outside of cheesing them using the camera exploit and Pillow Talk is to use Pulley's Butterfly, Evil Harvest Rosary, and Shuraba/Scarborough Fair. PKP weaves often hit multiple Jeannes, and every time you dodge you get a rosary bomb that will generally interrupt what they're doing, and Scarborough Fair shots as you Dodge Offset often cause them to try and block the shots, slowing them down more than if you had Bazillions on the feet. Hang in there, you can do it! :)

I didn't really play the game with the goal of going for a deathless run. I had just been playing the game for years and enjoying Mania difficulty until the point I realized I had runs with only 2 deaths, often at the elevator, and from there I tried to make thar last push to see if I could get a no death run. There's some other great players who've done deathless runs with Max and I think SoR2 Skate too.

He definitely has the best back attack in the game, by a significant margin.

Cannot stress enough the accuracy of this comment.

It really is. It's crazy that they hid a super high quality port of Super Hang-On in this game, and it's not even the "arcade" mode listed in the menu (which is a single race around one fixed track).

@@BareKnuckleRoo I would never have expected to see a game gear port under a different name for a famous arcade game... The whole situation is strange. Why didn't they call it Hang-On Gear or something? Hell, that frame rate alone is more stable than most of what I see when people post GG footage.

Yeah, in my experience the World Tour mode is the star of the show, I'm surprised it didn't get top billing. It's WAY better than Outrun's GG port in my opinion. Handling feels like it's a lot tighter, as does the framerate. It's a shame about the lack of ingame music but that's about my only criticism with the game!

He's the pro gamer we all aspire to be!

He's gonna tackle that 1cc using his feet next.

pfft, I've seen you play SO YES

🤣@@BareKnuckleRoo

Heaven is there inside is precious, innocent soul.

Yeah, it was just one of those weird things I decided to try to see what'd happen. :)

Haha, yep, all you gotta do is hold Down and you get to groove!

Haha, thanks, I never expected the requirement to require grinding though, I guess it makes sense that the game is aimed at a more casual audience at its default difficulty that the story would be fully available "easily" but I was convinced it could be triggered in a 1CC and that led me astray. Good thing I actually had a save file where I started grinding all the upgrades for just for kicks then stopped cuz I got bored, so it didn't take as long, lol. I think if you replay the game from level 1-1 after clearing and do a 2-loop clear again you might get enough too, but it'd also be boring as you'd be wildly overpowered in loop 1. >w>

Haha, maybe!

I know, I'm glad you can save Gehnie (sort of) after all!

Thanks, I appreciate it! SoR Remake mostly fleshes out the moves he was missing that caused him to be deeply flawed. His ability to quickly release from grabs with either his new headbutt or the throw are both really useful, and his strong throw is balanced by the fact that he has no slam attack to use on enemies that can safe land from throws. He's still stuck with awful 0 and 1 star blitzes, and a damaging but short-ranged 2 and 3 star blitz that doesn't have much priority over enemy attacks. SoR4 probably took a better route in fleshing him out by improving his range on his basic moves and making him more mobile in the air. You don't play him by just using back attacks a lot of the time which admittedly makes him a bit repetitive in SoR3/SoRR! I'm still saddened that SoR4 didn't do updated sprites for him and just use the SoR3 spritesheet, missed opportunity. :(

@@BareKnuckleRoo Oh dang, thanks a ton for the quick and detailed response! It's a really interesting dichotomy for sure! From what it seems like, the SoRR devs tried to fix Roo by giving him tools he didn't have, like a proper throw/throw release, a stronger 2/3 star blitz, and the ability to use weapons. On the other hand, a lot of his other core toolkit remained mostly how it was in SoR3 if I'm understanding right. SoR4 Roo by contrast didn't really give him much extra aside from variations on his Neutral Special in the air (the default one you can control is admittedly almost busted in how strong it can be), and new Star moves. No item holding, no new sprites. On the other hand, his entire core toolset got buffed and polished a lot; Blitz can OTG now making it super useful, Forward Special can multihit airborne targets, heck even neutral jumping attack wallbounces now and is a key part of one of his infinites on bosses in the corner. You can tell they really cared, they just didn't have the resources to do more. Maybe he was even meant to be an SoR4 character at one point. I think I agree that SoR4 was the way to go overall, since Roo was always kind of a half-broken character because of how lacking a lot of his core moves were, making you need to rely on back attack stun to get the most out of him. On the other hand, yeah it's really hard to see the awesome new attacks and ability to hold items SoRR had and not think "Dang, I wish they could've done a bit more..." It's a shame that SoRR isn't gonna be updated anymore thanks to the C&D, and that SoR4 is probably done with its content patches now, so it's unlikely we'll ever get the best of both worlds on this one. Still, it's really cool to see the history on how this character was handled from a design perspective! Stuff like the SoR3 Hard commentary and these videos offering deeper analysis here are pretty invaluable for that, and it's been fascinating watching them. I actually haven't gotten the chance to play SoRR yet, and I've been on a SoR kick since I finally finished Mania+ in 4 recently, so I think I'm gonna give it a try!

@@Gemini_Hero Yeah, SoRR's approach is to mostly remain faithful with tweaks here and there to improve things. There aren't too many additions to SoRR actually, with Zan and Roo being the most heavily altered characters. Roo's core combat I suspect may bore a lot of folks as his back attack is crucial to playing well, but having grabs that aren't completely useless is enough to change him from a bottom tier joke character to a top tier boss murdering machine. Without his back attack he's a mediocre character with limited range, iffy 0 and 1 star blitzes, poor jump attacks (weak, jump kick doesn't stay extended), but with such a crazy abusable back attack his otherwise well below average moveset still allows him to tear up the game. It's nuts, I thought he was mid to low tier for a long time in SoRR until I realized how good he was when you figure out the parts you can't back attack through (which aren't many!). SoR4's removed his reliance on one move as the core of his moveset and gave him more range on basic punches, so he'll feel less awkward and repetitive for new players. It's very different, but it's necessary to work with the game's juggling system. SoRR is arguably the best way to experience the classic games nowadays. It's such an amazing remake, arguably one of the best fanmade projects ever created.

@@BareKnuckleRoo I just got done with my first few runs through SoRR and WOW, the game is really incredible especially for being a fan project, and having tried SoR2 recently it's absolutely the best way to play the classic games. That being said, it was WAY more brutal than I expected it to be. I'm fresh off Mania+ in SoR4 like I mentioned before, and I'm struggling to beat any route of SoRR on Easy mode with 5 lives. I just failed a run of the SoR1 route at Mr. X with SoR2 Axel. So many enemies seem to just block or fall out of combos, bosses attack instantly as soon as you're on level, and basically everything outranges your combo starters or has reliable anti-airs. Even attempting to abuse infinites, so many bosses and enemies feel inconsistent to handle at best. At worst they can feel almost impossible to even hit. Picking Roo and abusing the infinite is one of the only reliable ways to finish a run, and even then I take deaths. A lot of it might be lack of info on just how to "play" classic SoR, like teching throws being holding up and jump instead of just tapping jump when you're about to land like SoR4. It's fun in its own way, but so much feels so unfair to deal with too. It's a little...conflicting, lol.

SoRR isn't that bad, Mania is quite tough but it's perfectly manageable on Easy and Normal. I suspect it's because you're used to the slower pacing of SoR2 and SoR4 where there's much more hitstun. Enemy AI is balanced here to be closer to how SoR1 and SoR3 worked. Check out this set of option settings, I recommend setting the game this way to get the best experience out of it: sorr.forumotion.net/t201-sorr-5-1-options-recommendations There's a lot of options and some of them like Pause Delay have a significantly negative impact on how the game feels if you use one that slows it down!

This run collects every recording and the ending is exactly the same as if you did not collect every recording. edit: You're right though, there's some kind of extra dialogue in the text files I've never seen before that hints at a way to save Gehnie.

I see…

I remember I've saw the ending that another Gehnie has appeared

@@rax2296 Do you have footage of this or a KZfaq link to it?

Okay, so thank you for reaching out with this info! I think you're right that there is a secret ending, it's just the trigger requirements must be more complex than simply getting all recordings. I'm doing a bit of research, all of the text for the game in every language is contained in plaintext in the dial_[letter].txt files. dial_e.txt has all the English dialogue and it does contain two sets of text I haven't seen before: #S21 $01402001 Irina, come with me! We're heading off to the future...! $13402002 Geh-... Gehnie! You're alive?! But... but how...? $01402001 Unfortunately Ver. 01 is no longer with us; you created me, in the future. $13502002 Do you remember anything? Like heading to Earth with me, stuff like that... $01402001 Technically they aren't proper memories,*but I do retain bits and pieces of info on Ver. 01's experiences. $01402001 But more importantly, your powers are needed in the future.*Will you come with me? $13402002 What's going on?? $01402001 I'll explain on the ship, now hurry! #end It confirms that the person you see talking to Gehnie in the future who looks suspiciously like Irina is in fact Irina and was responsible for sending Gehnie to the past to help past Irina. I'm not sure how to trigger it though. No recordings on KZfaq manage to do it. Event S21 is placed immediately after the ending dialogue (event S20). However, there's a potential answer in another line of dialogue I've never seen in-game: "We haven't enhanced or bolstered the Drainus at all...*But we still managed to neutralize the Kharlal Empire army,*which had been reinforced under Izumo's orders. It's all thanks to your piloting, Irina.* You really were a brilliant pilot after all." It's positioned after the the text for beating the first loop but it may trigger upon beating both loops. If Irina were such an amazing pilot that she didn't need Gehnie's extra help, maybe that's what serves as the trigger for the future to change and Gehnie version 02 to be born? So there does appear to be a secret ending, but it seems the trigger requirements are more complex than simply collecting every recording. I suspect it may be tied to the dialogue that you're supposed to get if you beat the game without upgrading? Things to test would be: 1) Beat the game without upgrades and collecting/watching all recordings. 2) Beat the game on Ridiculous without upgrades while collecting/watching all recordings. 3) Don't die at all, beat the game (possibly on Ridiculous) without upgrades, collect and watch all recordings. Given that the game's default modes are intended for a more casual audience, and given how damn hard Ridiculous is as it is, I doubt the intention was to lock part of the story behind the hardest difficulty mode, so I'll try to do a no upgrade, no death, all recordings run tonight of Normal and Hard and see if one of those trigger an alternative ending.