Huh, didn't know that was something to consider, but I just tested, and indeed: Deconstructing both (One Hand Drill action each.) dropped the gas canisters, the batteries, and the (type of) kit that had been used to make them. Tried to remake the cargo Rover with that then: It was asking for materials again - materials I had not gotten back! ---- Multiplayer: Had tons of bad sync issues that had been worked on and improved a lot, but I guess since the Rovers aren't officially in the game, those changes were never also considered for them.

Closer to windshield: That would work, since we can just widen the FOV with hotkeys if need be. - The flashlight should definitely move with the view=head, guess they just forgot that. I see your valid point about the colors and cutesy, but I think that the priorities speak against it: Top priority is money that RocketWerkz are still bleeding on Stationeers. Its graphics are clearly inferior anyway to high end games these days, so that's a negative point - but its graphics are basically all procedural, the world isn't a baked jungle but what you make it to be. So, since everything has meaning and is modular, such rather tech oriented graphics can easily be forgiven (if not even be appreciated). The human characters though do not have that bonus, and someone coming from the outside doesn't know yet how deep and technical Stationeers is, so they are likely to think something like: "Inferior cutesy imitator wants big bucks? - Nah." They clash with the idea of a high tech simulation. But let's say ... ... let's say that people would rather buy it BECAUSE of those graphics. Which in my opinion really don't fit the tech stuff. Then they buy it, find that the game is nothing like those cute colorful appearances for the most part, and they might even refund it because of clashing expectations.

Absolutely. 3 hands for example would make a BIG difference, but I'm convinced that won't come. Instead, my hopes are for hotkeys for the tools. And someone suggested today that LMB should be for left hand, RMB for right hand, and the so-far-RMB function should be via CTRL or SHIFT etc. And here's an idea I had to day: Tool holders on the wall could also help: I have e.g. a chip where I need to adjust the screw every once in a while. If I could just pluck a screwdriver from the wall, that would be pretty awesome.

I envy you, you still have all that discovery ahead of you! It's like a grandiose movie that you're only seen the trailer of or the first minutes, while I have seen it already many times. (Though I keep discovering new things in it.)

Ye, they're on a good path. Now the incoming terrain replacement later this year (finite&diverse&highres), eventual nuclear power, standing water, and (not firmly planned but aspired since there's a popular mod) terraforming, then also eventually surgery (It's Space Station 13 inspired, after all.) ... PROMISING! ---- The ice/coal toggle is a good idea. ---- Just now I made a new Moon world (Easy) and found the Solid Fuel Generator in the crate with the two cable coils. It's also visible at 7:50.

Well - just like when they tell you in that little popup when you try to play the tutorials (Which work well, recommended!), you can switch the game's version with Steam. Right mouse button on game in library, properties, betas, and then you have a dropdown. I selected "beta", so that I always have the newest stuff. Been playing (and recording vids) like this for months. - Maybe turn off autosave so that you're in control of when (and when not) the game saves. Because the result will be a different version, so if you wanna go back, that may or may not cause problems with a savegame. Of course you could load an older version of that save if you're back on the main branch, in case the beta save doesn't work in that older version.

@@OwnerOfTheCosmos oh great. thanks!

You mean the one with the Harvies and the Solar Panel building, where I was about to make bedroom and such (in E13)? I don't know yet what'll happen with this and other playthroughs I've begun, but that one I am also fond of, so it's likely that I'll continue with it. My next plans are to make a video about Rovers in about 12 hours, because turns out you CAN use them (with tricks) in your playthrough. - Meanwhile, of this playthrough I already have 4 episodes lying around (incl. the above).

Dude. Big hug! Thanks :D

Will probably come [back], but that would be shortly before the V1.0 in a few years, when things have settled so the effort isn't wasted on an ever changing project.

xD Didn't even realize that. Should have gone for the eggs (were in the Lander) right after. - Congrats on a great choice, welcome aboard! And if you find Stationeers hard at the moment: They are JUST NOW changing the starting conditions, on Beta you now have TWO LANDERS on most worlds with lots more gear to play with!

It's a pretty good machine, but it's not today's gaming edge. - I've never had this many lights, and I suspect that these *projection* lights are particularly expensive, because you'd only have *few* normally - held by people. Would look pretty cool in multiplayer, all these fingers stabbing the darkness. Multiplayer lighting looks awesome anyway, when someone comes along with their flashlight on while you're standing in the workshop. - I guess normal lights are not that demanding.

+fistbump+ Heyyyy, speaking of: Between yesterday and today, the channel somehow reached 400 subscribers. :D

Thanks, much appreciated, love to help! :D ---- There's two ways to turn a thermal energy difference into electricity in Stationeers: 1) The Stirling Engine, which I've not yet used (It's planned.) - probably helpful article: stationeers-wiki.com/Stirling_Engine 2) The thermal difference can be turned into the motion of air, which in turn can be converted to electricity with the Turbine Generator (Looks like a wall with fan blades.) whose max output supposedly is 90W.

😃 Thanks, hehe. I do these mostly for fun, so I'm glad to hear I'm not just talking to an empty Internet :)

They simultaneously reduced the amount of coal. But yes, it feels a bit rich. I mean, Vulcan is still the most engineering-rich planet (making water, cooling it down, ...), so having more toys to play with like a tank of super cold nitrogen inspires, good to have that right from the start. Well, it's "pass 1", so they'll probably tweak this. Maybe it's like a thought process: First you explore your potential directions, then you pick one. Pass 1 would be the "all options on the table" of this. I guess.

it wont be that easy you still have a lot to plan and engineer in a sort time.

@@jojoskunk True, someone who doesn't have much experience will struggle even with all this stuff, but only on Stationeer mode, so they can play Normal/Easy instead. OP's comment (and my somewhat-agreement) is probably coming from a place where Vulcan on Hard was manageable even on Stationeer difficulty.

@@OwnerOfTheCosmos exactly how I meant it... I don't feel like starting with this absurd amount of stuff even really helps a newbie survive the first couple of days - if anything it might be more overwhelming. but it still removes a lot of the (to me at least) fun panic of having to rush in the first couple of days until you manage to stabilize... also you no longer even can feel like you're being big brain and bending the game's mechanics to make the ghetto broken pipe vents before having a pipe bender... a free pipe bender is so much luxury so yeah, in the end... makes no difference if you are a beginner, but it's a lot easier if you already know the game - I'd hope for balance changes that do the opposite

@@OwnerOfTheCosmos oh I love the idea of DIFFERENT starting conds, I'd love if they made it a choice thing like you have a budget coming in and can only pick some of this extra stuff to bring with you (depending on the difficulty) - cold nitrogen vs more water vs trade... choices choices choices... Sure there's always the possibility for a self imposed challenge, but for me at least those feel not so rewarding

Ist dies nicht appropriat für Sie, mein Herr? :)

Good idea with the 1 item coal Stacker, that's outside-the-box thinking! Hm, but so far, I did it like this: Just have an unceasing stream of 50-stacks of coal to the generator, but only turn it on (via its Logic connection) when I need extra power. That should have the same effect, no? Or does this waste coal all the time, because me turning it off may cut off the power, but the currently ongoing 1 coal ore of the full stack will still be burning? Plant-based power, not bad, haven't tried that yet. Maybe I could check its effectiveness with the greenhouse of this video series.

How? Volatiles don't go liquid above -80°C. Did you mean Nitrous Oxide (N2O)?

xD It's not just you. See description.

Thanks, that's a nice feature KZfaq has there. Filtering musik from a audio track can't be trivial and is a hint on what must be possible for other organisations.

@@ralfw7463 Well, that problem has been solved once and for all with the arrival of A.I., which can reliably deal with clear patterns (speech versus music), particularly if one of them is fully known (the music).

Nice thought, but why? Hm, takes less space then, right? But I'd have to put up more devices to convert cable types ... Have to think about this, would be a nice change. ---- Chickens DO NOT count for the Occupancy or the Motion sensor - I just tested, no doubts. Haha, you can look at chickens with the Atmos tablet and see "what's inside".

@@OwnerOfTheCosmos why store as a liquid, for liquid fuel rocket! All you need is a purge valve to “pull” H2 gas from a liq network (as long as it’s pure h2)

@@charlesheath7571 And a pipe heater due to the evaporation cooling. - I haven't yet built a rocket (let alone a working one), that's still far down the road of learning for me.

@@OwnerOfTheCosmos pumped gas, 16kN one is easy to work with just use 2 med fuel tanks keep the wt below 5kN for Europa (N=kg x gravity, Europa is 1.3). For getting the gas form of h2 I would pull from the compression/expansion chamber. It’s possible to prevent the stored liq from cooling while evaporating

Nice! I posted a screenshot of this in the suggestions form. Though the idea to have music audio streams in the game somehow was brought up before - it's not trivial, and the team has lots of other things to do. Still - nice idea.

I doubt it, because the open cowl makes sure that there's something flowing back to the Active Vent, making sure that the overall available air that it could grab is higher. If I would enclose the cowl or the vent, the amount of air would decrease more and more.

@@OwnerOfTheCosmos The porous of the active vent besides extracting the pollutant (if any) is to create a low pressure on one side of the "fan blades" if you close off one of the sides (will say active vent ) it will cause a vacuum over the active vent. Pulling the air from the cowl side. the faster you create that vacuum the faster the air moves across the fan blades. The same setup can be achieved with a line of wind generators and 3 passive vents and the air conditioner input 1 p vent output 2 p vents instead of using the active vent and cowl

@@EKOMovers Oooooooh, now I get it. You originally meat that I should enclose *the entire thing* in some kind of outer box, so that cowl and vent would kinda feed off each other in a more direct way.

@@OwnerOfTheCosmos Yes, in a way. Having one side open will allow you to extract pollutants (if any)

Is that a mod or something? - I try to play mod free, particularly when it's binary mods (Bepinex etc.)

Tick counter: True! And that's what I eventually resorted to in the next episode (E5). It's really simple and even reliable if the registers are not being initialized, because their values are persistent between code changes / export / chip removal&plugin / save&load. This is so simple and easy that I even reuse that in a second room later in the series. Horz angle: Sounds like a good idea, but I just investigated: The range from -180 to 180 (Which I could adjust to 0 to 360.) isn't traversed evenly, it slows down and accelerates strongly, so I don't see how I could turn it into a 5 section (20<->100 minutes) statement for the clock.

@@OwnerOfTheCosmos the acceleration of hory angle sounds like a bug. Unless the a axle of the planet is tilted. Then the vert angle should have a anti proportional acceleration. And you should be able to math the sh*t out of it to get to the rotation. But a tic counter is much simpler than that.

@@OwnerOfTheCosmos maybe two water tanks where you pump the contents from one to the other and vice versa would provide a more in-game less power hungry version of a "pendulum"?

@@ralfw7463 Yep, that was roughly the angle I had in mind, that would do it. Or a gas tank, possibly better since it doesn't off-gas and thus has reliable behavior. ---- Regarding the horizontal sun angle: That wouldn't be a bug, I mean, hold up a finger and use the other hand to rotate around it with another finger, but the circle is diagonal. You get a sinus-like angle in the vertical *but also* in the horizontal.

At 45:05, right? Hehe. Ye, I like to do that sometimes for effect. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g7eWf7yFnde6hJs.html

l r0 d0 Temperature would get the Kelvins from a Gas Sensor tied to the first screw. But you don't need to use those. lb r0 HASH("StructureGasSensor") Temperature Sum would get the Kelvins from all Gas Sensors on the current cable network and add them up (or "Average" them, or use the "Minimum" of all those values, etc). But you probably don't want all Gas Sensors to chime in. That's why we also have lbn r0 HASH("StructureGasSensor") HASH("TheNameIGaveWithLabeler") Temperature Sum which gets only all the temperatures of the Gas Sensors on the current cable network where the name fits, which depending on what you wanna do should only be one of them. And instead of writing the line like this, you can also do this: define WhatAGasSensorIs HASH("StructureGasSensor") define TheNameIGaveMine HASH("TheNameIGaveWithLabeler") start: yield lbn r0 WhatAGasSensorIs TheNameIGaveMine Temperature Sum j start

Thank you, kind snake!

@@OwnerOfTheCosmos 👍 keep on keeping on

Yep, Ostranauts is very interesting. I was wondering why the air in my ship was too thin to breathe, then after asking in the forum understood that me tossing my found crap all over the place had landed a bottle under the air vent's output, so it had been filled with ginormous pressure (Bottles not yet simulated properly at the time.) instead of breathing into the room. This whole setting in a space station with NPCs - but you can still use the wrench on everything e.g. oxygen canisters and life support - is pretty awesome! Last touched it 1/2 year ago. At the time, the graphics were still too crappy (particularly *too rough*, the resolution just too low; beauty isn't a killer criterion for me, particularly in a simulation game), things were too unclear (See bottle vent problem.), so I'll wait until it's better. This game randomly coincided with me having the idea how awesome a game would be where you are in 3D 1st person on a space or planetary station where people are born and grow up and live - a human civilization outpost. But the station/habitat is *simulated!* And things can be engineered. This was before I actually found into Stationeers. ---- How stellar would that be to live in a TheSims first person with agency reality with other persons in a simulated station with tasks and jobs and some story campaign aspects here and there, and this combined with engineering capability kinda like Stationeers.

My way of making things look nice is still just the most time-saving primitive version: Rectangular box rooms all made of windows, flat color walls (usually black), spray-painted cables and devices (and some nice lights) for decoration. I've never been a creative base-builder, e.g. in Minecraft I always played the survival aspects ... and then got bored once I had my diamond stuff and a mob grinder. Stationeers seems to have a lot of decoration potential (various kinds of walls and furniture), from the items I've seen and the stations I glanced on Discord. I've seen some really stations, e.g. a skyscraper-like building where everything was neatly fit on one of the many floors. Yep, the cable joints are practical, made abstract for (relatively) simple implementation and handling. I mean, you can hide all cables if you like. The pro station you can see in the official Stationeers tutorial doesn't have cables, as far as I remember. There is "sewage water": If you shower, that creates Polluted Water, and there's a charcoal-based Water Purifier. Charcoal is a result of furnaced biomatter, not just random old coal ore. *There are no standing liquids yet in Stationeers!* The game had this once, then it was removed (It's still Early Access, after all.), but they plan on implementing it again. That will come in handy when they implement the nuclear stuff that is also planned.

@@OwnerOfTheCosmos Thanks for explaining, I'm looking forward to this series and future updates to the game. They could also add gore related to hazards, if there is too much pressure it would be messy! To really emphasize the importance of correct pressure inside the base. etc . If the developers are reading this :-)

​@@farerse If you wanna look at a decorated (Ish. It's still me, right.) base, the beginning of these two videos may be of interest: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jZ-DdLWipuC8gHk.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/grSCqdqItJeVe2g.html

@@OwnerOfTheCosmos I will have a look (eventually) there is plenty of content!

Hm, but is that supposed to be a contradiction of my take? It seems to confirm that if a 6 didn't occur for a long time, a 6 is more likely to occur soon (Though not predicable with certainty, of course).

6 is just as likely to occur no matter what happened before. If you had 6000 throws with no 6 (extremely rare) the probability of your next roll being a 6 is still 1 in 6. True randomness doesn't intuitively feel random to us. Our intuition is very flawed. This is the reason that the shuffle feature of music players isn't truly random anymore. When iTunes first came on the scene, the masses had thousands of songs on a single device for the first time. People were annoyed that shuffle mode played the same song multiple times in a playthrough or even in a row. Sometimes it felt like a single artist was playing more than others. Intuition told me that the next to song couldn't possibly be Tom Petty's You Don't Know How it Feels since I already heard it 5 times in the last hour. When I heard it for the 6th time, I assumed it was a bug when in fact the chance of the next setting being Tom Petty was always 1 in 1000 (assuming 1000 songs). If you Google "iPod shuffle song is not random enough", you'll see a post on the Apple forums from 2005 with this exact complaint. Now I'm in 2024, music services (and often times games) use algorithms to avoid actual randomness to align with your intuition. Stationeers (being more stimulation than game) certainly won't be hand tuned to "feel" more intuitive.

Kotaku - June 28, 2013: "Demos Are Great For Gamers, Not-So-Great For Game Sales" - kotaku.com/demos-are-great-for-gamers-not-so-great-for-game-sales-608603895 Kotaku - August 6, 2021: "Unsurprisingly, Having Steam Demos Makes Games More Popular" - www.kotaku.com.au/2021/08/unsurprisingly-having-steam-demos-makes-games-more-popular/ Apparently, it's a bit unclear what's what.

Yep. Happens. I saw such things too a few times.

@@OwnerOfTheCosmos No worries though. I figured out the math once I realized it was a mistake. Great vids by the way. Thanks for doing these

Good thought. I have gotten used to it so much - it would be literally a gamechanger for me if they'd properify those interactions. Hm, I do quite a few things through the glass - coal in the burner, material in the furnace, triggering the furnace. And the occasional efficient but ultimately unnecessary tossing of ingots and such through windows, less relevant. Will keep it in mind.

Ye, incidentally I have just started being more efficient about this via Episode 7-9, where I use double-click a lot. I don't like the double-key (which is C for me, not F, changed a lot of things around) for some reason, but the click works for me. Found out that double-clicking a thing in the inventory will remember where it came from when it then gives that into your hand, so if it came from the mining belt, and you then close it, the next double-click on it in your hand will return it into the hidden belt. If however you had dragged it from there into your hand and then close the belt, the double-click will transport it into a meaningful other field in your inventory (tool if possible, else other).

I don't want their money, I just want their goods. And that they finally put in an inert mouse camera for video recordings, like I keep asking them.

they can..atleast 500 hours for scrap the surface, not really just know how your devices working..its true or false

i play solo almost 3 year and still today i try to learn something..every day u will improve your skills....so i my opinion its the big part..no tutorial or just an idea..i love it...its a great simulation

You can surely play without coding, but playing entirely without *automation* isn't easy. I mean ... what do you want to achieve? A Moon base where you can breathe and where your plants grow and you can drink? No automation required. Depending on how deep you want to go into the game, you will feel the hard need for some automation. And then ... ... you can use Logic chips (Meaning: NO programming.) to make that happen. This video shows why you'd want automation (e.g. to get 100x more out of your solar panels) and shows the first steps into programming: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Y7-SnphzqMumk5c.html (I have several MIPS programming introduction videos.)

Did you accidentally type this in the wrong tab? :) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/n7ppq6ek2pnKhZc.html

@@OwnerOfTheCosmos No :D Somehow I was expecting that distorted voice ... this comment belongs to this video.

xD

AIMEe is only a mining bot, I think. Never touched it, and that's just an oversight, still gotta do that. I have no knowledge about "binary modding", which some people do and achieve very interesting things, but my take is that modding something as complex as robots in, that could navigate and interact with the world, is beyond that - but again, I don't know. Random failures: No, not random. Only emergent from simulation, which doesn't have something like "pipe age" or rust, which could amount to random failure. However, you'll be standing in your base and will all of a sudden hear a pipe creak, because it's taking damage, then you run over to the furnace that you had forgotten to empty (or whose gasses/heat you wanted to keep around), whose temperature is now down far enough that the remaining high pressure caused some gases to condense, and gas pipes are allergic to liquids in Stationeers - a gameplay choice that I do not object to, it's interesting, but some others dislike the gas/liquid pipe distinction. Or a battery died, so the airlock now has no power, which is why "we all" have an APC (switch with buffer battery) in there - which is an engineering reliability approach. Maybe there was cable burnout because the load grew too much and you didn't protect with a fuse (focused burnout) or transformer (brownout instead of burnout). Or your plants died because the station now has -50°C because your custom cooling solution started running - but didn't stop because an error was introduced in the source code during that time, by code change or by changing the cable network so a required device is no longer there, which means that a reliability approach could be to separate out vital things instead of conveniently lumping them all together. Cascading failures can surely happen - see plant example. It's emergent. Depends on what you built. Self-diagnosis info: All devices have logic values that you can read or write, and you can also install pipe analyzers and gas sensors, so you could react to liquids in pipes building, or to pollutant or fire in the room, could program all that behavior freely in Stationeers' assembly language, etc. - In my playthrough yesterday, I expanded my furnace pipe before the valve (the part that stays under pressure until I vent) to reach outside the station - and slapped a Passive Liquid Drain on it, so if liquids would build, they'd automatically vent to the outside. That sounds exactly like the kind of thing you're looking for, I think. I don't know about reliability approaches in engineering, but I guess that you could find what you seek in this game.

@@OwnerOfTheCosmos Thank you for your answer. It looks like the game has most of what I need. My guess is that if a game has the right kind of failures modelled at all, random failures can be modded in with relative ease. Depends on the game though. Worth checking out.

@@user-mf3oc6mj5l The game is heavily moddable, but depending on what you want to achieve, you'll also have to go either a few centimeters or miles. Here's the very capable Stationeers Discord modding community: discord.com/channels/276525882049429515/412447900120121344

If you mean the game, my understanding is that it's very unlike Space Engineers. It was inspired by Space Station 13 and has very deep simulation/programming/automation. If Space Engineers had this level of simulation, I'd play it (It's in my library.), but it seemed too simplistic to me.

Space Engineers is a great game, altho a bit dated. But to compare the two is more akin to calling Space Engineers Duplo Lego and where Stationeers is Lego Technics

@@morpheusmishima Ouch... somebody get some water. At least you did not say Playmobil... Keen would never forgive you XD

Well, honestly I have no reference of how unique or novel this might be. My take is that most people will just not go through the efforts of making such a thing when you can just slap a few Active Vents or even [Large] Powered Vents on the wall with a console, done. So many sections to connect, so many outdoor airlocks, so most will probably just be standard, is my assumption. I also assume that people have experimented, engineered, MIPS-programmed quite sophisticated airlocks, and a 1x1x1 with 4 doors is a very obvious target, I guess.

I have recently gotten to appreciate the complete reboot of awareness that seems to come with half an hour of napping during the day ... as suggested by Stationeers' unrelenting "Nights ... FOR SLEEPING? Bahahahahahaaa!" cast at me. I'm saying maybe just a bit of sleep after work might realign you to your center, so you could enjoy a couple of hours of Stationeers after work, instead of work insisting to stay with you somehow.

:D That's the highest goal. To get more people on board! Something's wrong with the world that this game isn't yet standard knowledge *and aspiration* of the general gamer!