Onda praise yuuup!! she’s excellent

I don’t like when people say the visual position is dumb ive would not have been as successful without the groups and especially wonyoungs beauty

It’s also interesting how kpop positions aren’t fully “created” and given by companies, but also fans. Correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t remember any company making a distinction between a “vocalist” and a “sub vocalist” and officially using the two terms as different positions in early kpop. Now they might use it but as i remember at the start of 3rd gen, there was no difference between a vocalist and a sub vocalist. I remember in the early days of bts, fans started calling Jin a vocalist and Jhope a sub vocalist, although those weren’t officially given by the company. Since Jin is only a vocalist and is a regular member of the vocal line but Jhope is mainly a rapper but very occasionally has vocal parts, fans thought it wouldn’t be fair to call both of them the same title. Therefore the vocalist and sub vocalist position differentiated. (I just used bts members as an example, I don’t know if that started with bts)

I think not having a “sub dancer” title is better than having one cause the thing is all idols are dancers. Not all of them have to both have rap or vocal positions, i know otherwise is more common but some of them are simply either vocalists or rappers, like suga is only a rapper and taeyeon is only a vocalist. However to be an idol ALL of them need to have dancing skills. So by labeling every idol who is not a main or lead dancer a “sub dancer” kinda misses the point of giving positions in the first place. Dancing is a skill that is must have for idols but vocals and rapping isn’t. Like i said they have to be dancers but not have to be both vocalists and rappers. Tho I know it’s hard to find a rapper without a at least a sub vocal position, especially in 4th gen. Since they are all dancers I don’t see the point of “highlighting” a “sub dancer” cause that is given. But that’s not the same for sub vocals and sub rappers. Sorry if i explained it in a weird way lol English isn’t my first language but i hope you get the point i just think the “sub dancer” position is useless and unnecessary to give

That Itzy joke was a warp pipe to the burn unit. I am the guy who enjoys the rap in After Like. It's my fault.

I've honestly been a kpop fan for quite a few years now, but love your humour & editing so watched anyway. Just a few random thoughts that passed through my head as I watched i guess? In Stray Kids, though they don't officially have positions any more I do think it's quite easy to see what they would be, and Changbin and Han are definitely both main rappers, no question! (They were also both officially main rappers before the group decided not to use official positions anymore.) They're very much on the same level as eachother and take on complex rap parts, as well as both displaying impressive skill in their solo tracks. Tbh I kind of think Stays spend a lot of time hyping up Han's singing when he's a great singer don't get me wrong, but his rap is outstanding, (as is Changbin's ofc!), which kinda leads to people forgetting how good a rapper Han is. He's a main rapper and lead vocal for sure. To clarify though, I do think just giving the 'main' title to the most technically skilled makes sense and your description is perfect, it's just in cases such as this Changbin and Han both qualify, as is sometimes the case in other groups with their dance or vocal line ofc. Such as Purple Kiss with their 2 main vocals! Seeing these girls mentioned always makes me happy thank you, they're so talented <3 This is just a question since I'm not as familiar with the members, but I always thought Yeji was a lead dancer and Chaeryeong and Ryujin were the main dancers (and Ryujin is centre as you said), but I'm fully prepared to be wrong about that. Is Yeji a main dancer? I don't know too much about dance, just enjoy watching it, and these assumptions are just based on what I heard fans saying so please correct me lol. As far as positions go, I personally think the best groups are ones where different members get a chance to shine in different songs that play to their strengths, kind of regardless of position, but their positions probably will fit in most songs. I also they're good to have, as they give the members different areas to focus in the most. Not to say members should focus exclusively on their roles in their official positions, I just feel like it helps keep the group developing in a well rounded way :)

Just fyi - although maknae is spelled that way, it’s actually pronounced mangnae in Korean. I know it makes no sense but a lot of Korean pronunciation is different than the spelling and/or romanization. Also Gaeul is pronounced Gah-ool with a clear distinction between the “ah” and “oo” sounds.

As for "lead vocal" I like JYP's take on it. For him lead vocalists are the ones who represent the group's sound and "lead into the song" by starting it. That's why Nayeon is the first person you hear in about every Twice title track, and Stray Kids' very first song is started by then-lead-vocalist Seungmin. ETA : As for 'face of the group' I'd say that it's mostly a matter of who's known for things outside of kpop like variety/acting ? Variety shows are more popular than kpop with the Korean GP, so at the end of the day the most well known members are the ones who do variety shows and/or act. It often overlaps with visuals but not necessarily, for example in Seventeen the face of the group is Seungkwan, because he's been active on variety for a long time and became their de facto spokesperson, considering full group appearances are super rare (it's just difficult for most shows to have 13 guests at the same time).

This is such a great video 😂😂 You explain all the positions well amd briefly, and the confusions, I was totally confused about the "lead" and "main" but I know now! I also thought that "Maknae" wasn't a position- it is. Love the editing too! ❤❤

Yet another stunningly made video, love your videos!

Also I definitely needed that distinction between lead and main even tho I listened to Kpop since 2018 loooool

0:42 yo WHATTTT how did you manage to make the text appear behind the video during this part?

To answer the leader question, Jiu from Dreamcatcher and Irene from Red Velvet are my favorite leaders!

The thing about the one arm out of the sweater thing, as someone who goes to dance classes many dancers do that to their sweaters naturally because it gets hot, its not as uncomfortable as it seems when you’re hot from dancing

This was pretty informative and funny, saving it to my watch later list incase I forget the roles (which I most likely will)

Another great video, It's very fitting for anyone, who maybe has no idea about the positions, but it's also an interesting topic for a conversation. Like there's no way Winter is a lead vocalist and Karina is a sub vocalist, Winter literally had more high notes and ad lips than NingNing at some point and Karina also does great vocal runs and high notes here and there, plus her vocals are amazing, so that's quite a weird situation here😅. Also I don't get why Yuna and Leeseo don't have any more significant rapper positions, cause their rap verses are to die for 🥰. I get that they only strated to really showcase these skills recently, but still. And talking about only recently showcasing skills, has anyone heard true Ryujin vocals?! Like I've heard her natural vocal tone and since than she's my favourite vocalist in Itzy. Similarly I love Chaeyoung's and Dahyun's vocal tones in Twice, I think that is a great example of sub vocalist not being bad, or simply worse but maybe they can have too specific of a vocal tone that wouldn't fit the group as well, I'm not saying any of these idols should be the main vocalists, but they are definitely my favourite.

I’m completely on board with you regarding the lore! I don’t want homework to feel like I can fully enjoy my faves. Also, in this installment of “are we the same person?” Also severely ADHD and most likely autistic. And have three cats, and had a cat named Marla who passed. But I know nothing about nuclear power. I’m historically not much of a GG fan but I’m really enjoying Young Posse too! It appears you’re mainly a GG fan. Do you have any boy groups you like?

positions are honestly more about marketing than skill. the reason tzuyu is a lead dancer over sana, for example, is likely because jyp wants to promote tzuyu as the visual and most popular member of the group. see also why jihyo isn't in the official dance line but is the second best dancer in the group. jihyo is marketed as a vocalist rather than a dancer or performer

0:31 Okay, the background text made laugh a little😂😂

Yes i would love a episode about the visual role

I'm exited about your gg. I assume that the roster will be of active artists? Or anyone in any point in history? Or casting notes of skills and trades for potential members? If the latter I agree that having more voice types diversity makes things more interesthing, as a soprano admirer of deeper voices.

Love the editing

Great video

If I may add to these definitions or understanding or the roles 3:12 Leaders: you got the definition down perfectly I would like to add that there not common in Girl groups, this is mostly because Girl groups were expected to maintain a more cute image for there concept and a lot, not all companies thought that having a role called “the leader” would be to masculine. However GG’s in the third and fourth gen did eventually start taking on members with that role more often, second gen groups like 2NE1 and Miss A did also have leaders because there concepts was not based in having conformed to the cute or bubbly concepts mostly seen in that generation 4:00 Main: you got it perfectly no notes 4:35 leads: lead vocalists also may not fit the concept as well, which may be the entire reason there not the main 5:10 Sub: there not less valuable but they mostly shine in another era and just happen to do well in an area in some concepts that the group does semi frequently 7:11 Visual: I would like to say this usually pairs with the Face of the group and the most popular member of the group which is why there may be more than one Visual such as Blackpink having a visual line of Jennie, Jisoo, and Lisa (sorry Rose, you’ll always be a visual in my heart) 9:04 Makne: no notes perfectly explained

Remember my “heartcatching” comment on the “you are an idol” video? This is why the visual exists.

And then there’s ATEEZ with 4 Main Dancers (San recently got promoted it seems) and 2 Performers. I love them.

ahhh I can't wait for the next video 😭😭

Can’t wait for the GG video, almost have the rap line pictured in my head already

I loved this so much!

Ima have to set a timer to wake up for this

For some reason I dance like I’m trying to imitate k-pop no matter why I try.