2024 CFMOTO 450MT - New BEGINNER ADV!

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Moto Journo Kris

Moto Journo Kris

8 ай бұрын

Big news out of CFMOTO if you’re a fan of little adventure bikes, with the 450MT launching for 2024, taking their popular 450 powerplant - as the name suggests - and plopping it in quite an impressive little adventure-tourer.
We’re actually seeing a bike that I would say ticks a heap of boxes of what people have been clamouring for in this segment, but also falls short in one significant area, where people generally turn their nose up. Let me know what you think is your most common disappointment with ADVs in the comments though.
So let’s take a very quick look.
That 449 cc parallel-twin is a 270-degree, and will offer a bit more character as a result, while pumping out 32.5 kW and 44 Nm of torque, with the torque figure perhaps the most important here. There’s dual balance shafts integrated for good throttle response and minimal vibrations, although we’re still seeing an old-school throttle, so no RbW or electronics here. The clutch is also a slipper-unit too, which is more the expectation now.
On the chassis side of things we see quite an impressive suspension load out, provided by KYB and included long travel USD forks with both rebound and compression damping adjustment. The shock is also fully adjustable, and it seems clear that CFMOTO have the 390 ADV clearly in their sights on this one. Travel is also a generous 200 mm which combined with 220 mm ground clearance is again very much in the ballpark of expectations.
J.Juan provide the brakes, with a four-piston front caliper on big 320 mm rotor, just the one though, alongside a 240 mm rear rotor with single-piston caliper, and there’s Bosch ABS, with switchable rear. For a road-going machine there’s probably an argument for two front disc brakes, but for an ADV like this the single makes a lot of sense.
Wheels are spoked units, a 21 inch front with 90 by 90 tyre, alongside a 140 by 70 tyre on that 18 inch rear, both clad in CST rubber. No word on whether these will be tubeless which means it’s pretty safe to bet they won’t be! But hopefully that’s reflected in the price.
Seat height is quite a manageable 820 mm and can be further lowered to 800 mm, while the fuel tank holds a generous 17.5 litres
There’s also a TFT display, five inch, and interesting Bosch Traction Control, which can be fully disengaged. That dash has Bluetooth connectivity though, and I’d assume all the usual mobile syncing features we’ve seen from CFMOTO to be there on that too.
Two colour options will be offered, Zephyr Blue or Tundra Grey and the bikes have a very strong rally theme look to them, which has got to help on sales.
That feature riders turn their nose up at? Weight, the 450MT is 175 kg DRY, which means about 190 kg wet. That’s not terrible, but it’s not great either, as the 390 ADV is 161 dry in comparison, and would boast an easy 10-15 kg weight advantage there.
That seems to be the Achilles heel of the Chinese manufacturers for now, struggling to bring that weight down, however the low seat height and hopefully well balanced CoG could largely off-set that as far as feel of the bike, as it is much shorter than the KTM.
The big unknown is price, which doesn’t seem to have been announced anywhere yet. The 450SR, the sportsbike is just over $8K here in Australia and I think it’s a fair bet this will carry a premium over that bike, with the suspension and traction control.
I’d kind of hope it lands at $9K and undercuts the 390 ADV, but we seem to be seeing a lot of new models undercutting existing competition by a hundred bucks or so in some instances, so it’ll be interesting to see where CFMOTO think they need to price the bike.
Images/footage courtesy of CFMOTO Australia.
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@drzrider3440
@drzrider3440 8 ай бұрын
Actually it does have tubeless wheels. Take a look at them. Also someone at EICMA did a zoom in on the specs sheet. It reads "tubeless rims". So yes, it getting tubelss rims which is a plus. I wasnt sure at first, but notice the cross angle of the spokes and wondered. Then ssw the video a guy did on all the CFMoto bikes and ended at the 450mt. Check it out. Might have to search around on here. But thats what i did to find out for sure. So yes, its tubeless.
@MotoJournoKris
@MotoJournoKris 8 ай бұрын
You're right! I should have had a closer look and zoomed in on those images, as the spokes are run through externally on the rim.
@robdotcom71
@robdotcom71 6 ай бұрын
Sorry but what is the benefit of going tubeless..... what happens if you get a flat tyre in the middle of nowhere?
@drzrider3440
@drzrider3440 6 ай бұрын
@@robdotcom71 tubeless allows you to just plug the tire like a car tire. Much easier and quicker to fix a flat versus removing the the whole wheel, removing tire and tube, patch the tube and reinstall. Thats the advantage of tubeless. Way better. But if you like to air down tires for better traction, with tubeless you cant go down much. Maybe to 20 psi. Which is what I do with tube type also. But damage a sidewall on a tubeless is the worry. So as ling as you don't air down too much, tubeless is the way to go.
@robdotcom71
@robdotcom71 6 ай бұрын
@@drzrider3440 Thanks for the explanation. :)
@anthonya7066
@anthonya7066 8 ай бұрын
New Himalayan is 196kg apparently, so weight of this is not a big issue provided it is well balanced and how it actually feels. You have to actually ride a bike to get a proper understanding. If this is priced right and rides well it will be a compelling option. So much choice now which is the best thing for us consumers!
@MotoJournoKris
@MotoJournoKris 8 ай бұрын
100%
@jkmarshall3553
@jkmarshall3553 6 ай бұрын
Even that brown cow is super excited!!!!
@MotoJournoKris
@MotoJournoKris 6 ай бұрын
It'll buy one for sure! :D
@Bobby-wn5yr
@Bobby-wn5yr 8 ай бұрын
Best thing about Eicma - so much new Kris content! I’m actually a bit conflicted on these CFMoto adv’s. They look great value for money and I’ve test ridden the bigger brother at A1 in Melbourne. Tbh I could ALMOST buy one even if just for chucking on loads of commuting KM’s. The problem is the resale. All CFMotos basically halve in value as soon as you buy them because nobody wants a used one, and the are so, so, so many used CFMoto’s a few months ago old for sale. Tbh I just don’t know if it’s because they’re crap or if it’s just badge shame. Based on test rides being fun I suspect it’s badge shame, but still that’s a big gamble
@MotoJournoKris
@MotoJournoKris 8 ай бұрын
100%, resale is one of those forgotten topics often. I think if you're considering one as a long term option, there might be less of an impact, however it's probably not such a great choice if you're swapping bikes every year and rely on resale or trade-in to get the next machine. I'd guess over a longer period it would stabilise, but it's really hard to say, and we'll also need to see how the bikes last long term there too. The one thing I'll say about my Kawasaki 400, a good wash and polish and it can look practically new.
@Free_Ranger_CT110
@Free_Ranger_CT110 6 ай бұрын
$8990 ride away price in Oz... I think it will be a big seller.
@markpearson2085
@markpearson2085 8 ай бұрын
The seat height looks great for shorter rides,
@michals1108
@michals1108 8 ай бұрын
if in uk next year I will buy it
@Michael_Mears
@Michael_Mears 6 ай бұрын
Kris, pricing now out for Oz. $8,990 fly away. You were right 3:15 "about 9k".
@MotoJournoKris
@MotoJournoKris 6 ай бұрын
Seems very competitive, that's what I was hoping for!
@stevesanelli90
@stevesanelli90 8 ай бұрын
Hey MJK, I like it. Yeah, a little too heavy but that will give it stability to get to trails via a road section. Not everyone has a dirt trail right outside the front door😉 KOVE is the other option but not yet available here… Thanks
@MotoJournoKris
@MotoJournoKris 8 ай бұрын
Yea I'm trying to grab some model information on the KOVE offering, as I think it'd make an interesting comparison!
@UncannySense
@UncannySense 8 ай бұрын
@@MotoJournoKris the KOVE 450 will likely cost a significant amount more then the MT450...
@MotoJournoKris
@MotoJournoKris 8 ай бұрын
Yea it seems like more of a competition machine from what I've read, but it's still interesting to me to see the differences between what's being offered and of course the associated cost.@@UncannySense
@krazed0451
@krazed0451 8 ай бұрын
A 650MT is only a crack over $9k in Aus, I can't see the 450 being more expensive than the next capacity up.
@MotoJournoKris
@MotoJournoKris 8 ай бұрын
I hope so, it is a bit more trick than the 650MT though, so I could see it being $9K, maybe $10K. $8K would be amazing though.
@krazed0451
@krazed0451 8 ай бұрын
@@MotoJournoKris I'd be surprised if they matched price with the SR, we can hope though 😉
@stavrossavva2432
@stavrossavva2432 4 ай бұрын
So himalayan 450 or cf mt450?
@ERUtheWINDRIDER
@ERUtheWINDRIDER 7 ай бұрын
Comparing the weight of a twin with a mono, how profesional!
@MotoJournoKris
@MotoJournoKris 7 ай бұрын
And maybe the CFMOTO will have a better engine characteristic as a result. But weight is weight, and no amount of excuses or hurt feelings will change that.
@ThrottleAddiction
@ThrottleAddiction 7 ай бұрын
The image of the rims with spoke placement, indicates tubeless. This will probably be my next bike, unless there's something really wrong with it.
@MotoJournoKris
@MotoJournoKris 7 ай бұрын
Yep, missed that when going over the specs/pics. It does seem like a very impressive package, I'm definitely hoping it lives up to our expectations.
@wickedleeloopy2115
@wickedleeloopy2115 7 ай бұрын
Its in the ball park of cb500x & trk500 on weight & power . So im assuming the price may be somewhere inbetween
@MotoJournoKris
@MotoJournoKris 7 ай бұрын
I'd definitely hope so, it'll be interesting to see if they go for on-par pricing, as in some ways those options are well placed. Or we see the adventure premium.
@UncannySense
@UncannySense 8 ай бұрын
Where would the weight saving be made? Is 15-20kg really such a big deal when some of the competition would probably cost twice as much. If the weight is adding strength and durabilty then is it really that bad given the aproximate price segment...? I'm seriously considering getting the MT450. its a step up from my current 250cc air cooled thumper dual sport and would do dual carrage /highway duty which my current bike cannot...
@MotoJournoKris
@MotoJournoKris 8 ай бұрын
The exhaust is normally the big area. I'm wondering what those CST tyres weigh too, especially compared to some alternatives. Then small stuff, like swapping the front guard to the taller accessory, maybe some proper handguards, although that could go either way. The weight difference isn't really a big deal though, if the bike is well balanced and handles. It would just be cool to see someone lighten one of these up as much as possible as a project!
@martyn_g
@martyn_g 8 ай бұрын
I’d like to know where the air filter is. The new Himalayan is under the bloody tank, like the Desert X, lol
@MotoJournoKris
@MotoJournoKris 8 ай бұрын
Yea, I'm sure someone will take a closer took at one to find out. It's interesting to see an accessible in seconds airfilter hasn't become the norm across all the ADVs yet.
@stevencote7951
@stevencote7951 8 ай бұрын
I would go with the RE just for it's lack of plastic which tends to break when it hits the ground.
@MotoJournoKris
@MotoJournoKris 8 ай бұрын
That is a nice benefit. I'm interested to see the prices compared too.
@johnstewart6652
@johnstewart6652 7 ай бұрын
It still is about 10 kilos less than the honda 500x with more equipment which is a fairer comparison. Better suspension , rider modes and protection. Not trying to force you into a larger bike to get the nice bells and whistles. More low end torque versus less hp is a trade ill take. Hope their being honest about the weight.
@MotoJournoKris
@MotoJournoKris 7 ай бұрын
It does stack up very well against the CB500X/NX500, I'm interested to see how the price compares between the two!
@dipankarbaiswal6506
@dipankarbaiswal6506 8 ай бұрын
This or Himalayan 452 is the bike of the year
@Mauricio_EPM
@Mauricio_EPM 7 ай бұрын
This
@AlexK-nf8cq
@AlexK-nf8cq 7 ай бұрын
If the price be obout 6000-6500 € this will be the best by option
@dimimaiden
@dimimaiden 5 ай бұрын
I'm thinking of giving CF moto a go
@MotoJournoKris
@MotoJournoKris 5 ай бұрын
It's an attractive package, and they are definitely getting better with each new bike release.
@monktrace
@monktrace 7 ай бұрын
Have the headlight fairing assy replaced with ones from cl-x , reduce the tank size a bit and go with lighter exhaust thats what i want to see
@MotoJournoKris
@MotoJournoKris 6 ай бұрын
That'd be cool! I wonder how much weight could be saved....
@monktrace
@monktrace 6 ай бұрын
less parts to break for something thats bound to fall is common sense which everyone seems to forget@@MotoJournoKris
@MotoJournoKris
@MotoJournoKris 6 ай бұрын
True, these will definitely be vigorously crash tested as more people buy them, especially with new riders buying them.@@monktrace
@kalaharimine
@kalaharimine 7 ай бұрын
Is this the classic Chinese curse of "may you get what you wish for"?
@MotoJournoKris
@MotoJournoKris 7 ай бұрын
Haha, maybe. We'll have to see how it measures up in real world terms.
@DJomlaBiker
@DJomlaBiker 7 ай бұрын
Change the exhaust with slip on and some little modification and that bike will be about 180 kg fully
@MotoJournoKris
@MotoJournoKris 7 ай бұрын
That's what I figured.
@Ellisian
@Ellisian 8 ай бұрын
i think this video might be unlisted?
@MotoJournoKris
@MotoJournoKris 8 ай бұрын
Yea! Just put it live now, but being in a list makes it accessible in a roundabout way.
@Cornel1001
@Cornel1001 3 ай бұрын
The japanese are invited to respond ASAP !
@MotoJournoKris
@MotoJournoKris 3 ай бұрын
Yep, time for a new Versys 450 X from Kawasaki, and would love to see some options from Yamaha and Suzuki. I'm guessing Honda will keep their NX500 (CB500X) as it's proven popular for quite a few years.
@badyride909
@badyride909 7 ай бұрын
same weigth than my versys 300 but 10 hp more,wheels 18-21,abs desconectable,200 mm suspension...sorry prefer the mt450
@MotoJournoKris
@MotoJournoKris 7 ай бұрын
Yep, this is what the Versys 450/500 needs to look like!
@user-sw2lv3zp6o
@user-sw2lv3zp6o 8 ай бұрын
450 is a good size if it's a single. Nick
@MotoJournoKris
@MotoJournoKris 8 ай бұрын
It's running their parallel-twin, like in the 450 sportsbike and roadster.
@user-sw2lv3zp6o
@user-sw2lv3zp6o 8 ай бұрын
@@MotoJournoKris I see.
@jasondunn8894
@jasondunn8894 8 ай бұрын
Not a bad looking bike but for a 450 way too heavy.
@martyn_g
@martyn_g 8 ай бұрын
Like the Himalayan 452, they have one important feature- low seat height with long travel suspension. Not many bikes have that. Great for riders who are short, or just starting out.
@martyn_g
@martyn_g 8 ай бұрын
… and remember it’s a twin, it’s bloody hard to make a twin light and low cost.
@MillfieldWheels
@MillfieldWheels 7 ай бұрын
Look at the rims! Tubeless
@MotoJournoKris
@MotoJournoKris 7 ай бұрын
Yep, that's why I pinned the first commenter who corrected me.
@GermanMassa
@GermanMassa 8 ай бұрын
I disagree with your vision of a segment where the world looks up. In most cases in developing countries, medium/low displacement models are the maximum possible aspiration, for obvious economic reasons. In that context, who wants to make an effort to jump from a model of up to 300 cc. and 20 to 26 hp to a higher one, you have to think about tripling or quadrupling the price due to the complexity of high-performance products, but also, with the aggravating factor of obtaining a product that also increases too much in weight, consumption and in maintenance. So there is a massive audience that was not being paid enough attention. The brands with a track record and already prestigious are finishing separating the public into two: those who want an infernal machine (because they need it for competition) and those who want to feel like the competitor but really want to take a ride in style (they need to show a lifestyle, comparable to SUV consumers in the car segment). However, there is a more logical large public, who does not need to compete, but does want their motorcycle to offer them the possibility of getting into any place if they wish, a public that is willing to make their riding a true adventure and is not satisfied with a purely utilitarian vehicle that transports you from point A to point B. Of course, the brands that already have the path paved, just had to reformulate the business, to sell more and more, and that is why they create so many "pseudo trails", which are actually touring motorcycles with an adventurous appearance and barely any off-road capabilities. above what any conventional motorcycle could offer you. These brands have nothing to lose, because they already sell just by putting their name on the product. But, luckily, there are new brands that, having no track record, must risk much more in the market, so they are forced to listen to the public that other brands dismiss, and thus be able to cover the niches that are becoming deserted. We can thank the capitalist system, of course, but we can also thank those who believe in collective intelligence and then listen to the user who had been left adrift because his ideas were not considered possible or appropriate. As for disappointment, in my case it may be a problem of perception, but I understand that new brands, generally Chinese or Indian, follow the ergonomic standards of their regions. And although motorcycles adapt better and better to the user due to their modularity, such as seat adjustment, handlebar adjustment, and even pedal and lever height, the proportions and dimensions of the motorcycles adapt much better to people of short stature. than those of us who measure more than 6' 1''. In that sense, I find that the seats are quite close to the ground, and very close to the pedals, compared to enduro bikes. In addition, it has suspensions with shorter travel than a dual-purpose motorcycle like those of the 90s, something that made them truly versatile. At least in this CFMOTO 450 MT model, they managed to opt for 21'' and 18'' wheels... I would like there to be options for greater suspension travel, also increasing the clearance from the crankcase to the ground, something like a "CRF 450 ADV". For now, there is the Kove 450, but as its name "Rally" indicates, it is oriented towards a profile that is too sporty and not practical for all uses or companions.
@MotoJournoKris
@MotoJournoKris 8 ай бұрын
That's quite the essay. Not sure I follow what you're disagreeing with me about though.
@GermanMassa
@GermanMassa 8 ай бұрын
@@MotoJournoKris Sorry, it was a misunderstanding. I looked at it again, and you said that people in that segment look up, but I just understood that your expression means "compare yourself to superior bikes", not "end up choosing superior bikes". So I don't disagree, but I strongly agree!
@martyn_g
@martyn_g 8 ай бұрын
On the suspension travel, it’s the same as a Tenere 700, which is plenty for its proposed use.
@MotoJournoKris
@MotoJournoKris 8 ай бұрын
Cool!@@GermanMassa
@mikepiper2320
@mikepiper2320 2 ай бұрын
Single disk, deal braker
@ShinzouWoSateSateSate
@ShinzouWoSateSateSate 5 ай бұрын
Neat, a chinese bike with a japanese suspension!
@MotoJournoKris
@MotoJournoKris 5 ай бұрын
Yep, there's some irony there. Especially considering they seem to have been quicker to adopt those components on some lower end/more value driven models than the Japanese brands and their equivalent models in many cases. But I guess they can save production costs elsewhere.
@ShinzouWoSateSateSate
@ShinzouWoSateSateSate 5 ай бұрын
@@MotoJournoKris usually Chinese manufacturers are fully Chinese with Chinese parts, but CFMoto is different, even having Brembo, Bosch, J.Juan parts, and now KYB. At least one of them even had Michelin tires.
@MotoJournoKris
@MotoJournoKris 5 ай бұрын
Yep they've really branched out, it's easy to see why they are able to put forward such competitive offerings, and also they've lifted the standards in various segments for what can be delivered for a specific price. Regardless of if people like CFMOTO or not, I think they are really good for motorcycling, as it's more competition. @@ShinzouWoSateSateSate
@patfrazer
@patfrazer 7 ай бұрын
Begginer?? Dakar Rally pilots, the best in the world, all have 450cc lol. Intermediate and even wannabe beginners riders wants to go big 1200cc, but pros wants light and agile motorcycles. (The only thing I doubt with this bike, is that its made in China, and the reliability.)
@MotoJournoKris
@MotoJournoKris 7 ай бұрын
Primary audience for this is beginner riders and those looking for a small ADV, definitely not Dakar racers. The Kove could make that claim.
@user-ol1qm9ey7g
@user-ol1qm9ey7g 8 ай бұрын
ใช่ความจุกระบอกสูบเป็นเรื่องที่ต้องเข้มงวด
@kymcopyriot9776
@kymcopyriot9776 8 ай бұрын
Yup. Too heavy.
@UncannySense
@UncannySense 8 ай бұрын
its lighter than a NX500
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