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A Guide to The Last Jedi (for the Star Wars Fan Base)
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Күн бұрынCome, fans and haters alike, for the first KZfaq video about The Last Jedi. See the film from a new perspective, laugh, and love, and if you disagree with me then we'll fight
Patreon support: / nerrel
*I do not own any of the footage or music used in this video, nor anything anywhere else.
Vivaldi's "The Four Seasons" was performed by John Harrison with the Wichita State University Chamber Players.
@Nerrel 4 жыл бұрын
So it turns out The Rise of Skywalker wasn't great. Sorry, folks- my bad. You may carry on with your business. I've got a good feeling about Cats, though
@Nerrel 4 жыл бұрын
In the theater now, can't wait fo... oh god... that's a human face. That's a human face on that cat. This is uncomfortably erotic and terrifying... Please make them stop and be normal. This is all wrong. Oh god, I'm sick, I'm freaking out, I'm freaking out, I'm freaking out, they won't let me leave the theater, I'm freaking out
@Virus-808 4 жыл бұрын
OH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO In all seriousness I enjoyed the video regardless. It made me appreciate TLJ more but ultimately I think it was the wrong movie for this SW trilogy. We needed a trilogy which reinvigorated love and interest in the franchise, not something which was trying to be 2deep. Do that for a different story, not one which is supposed to be fun and have mass appeal. Out of all the descriptions for TLJ, "fun" is a word I've never heard used and that's a huge problem for such a kid-friendly franchise like Star Wars.
@ShippoFoxD 4 жыл бұрын
Good review Nerrel. Will wait for Neil Breen's interpretation: Dogs.
@nolandavis1129 4 жыл бұрын
I disagree. I loved it and thought it was a great conclusion. The meaning of the prophecy is not about killing the Sith, but about having the dark side and light side coexist. Rey and Ben are the Dyad the prophecy was talking about. I love We were led to believe that Ben was the darkness and Rey was the light the prophecy spoke of, but in actuality it was the other around because Ben is the heir to the Skywalkers (light) and Rey is the heir to Palpatine (darkness). Having Rey be Palpatine’s granddaughter was not JJ apologizing for the Last Jedi it was him respecting Johnson’s vision while also creating the Balance. And at the end Rey and Ben come together to defeat Palpatine (who from The Phantom Menace to The Rise of Skywalker, is the reason why the darkside overweighs the light side) and now the darkness no longer overweighs the light and creates balance.
@Virus-808 4 жыл бұрын
@@nolandavis1129 The problem is that Disney will want to continue this story. How are they able to do that if there's true harmony in the force? If it's just able to be disrupted again then how does that make this ending any different from ROTJ? It just feels like a more convoluted way of reaching a similar conclusion.
@hectorbaigessanchez 4 жыл бұрын
"The emperor doesn't get cloned" Man that aged quickly, and bad
@DDChorror 4 жыл бұрын
He doesn't get cloned. He makes clones
@Tekaine 4 жыл бұрын
@@DDChorror Then there should be an explanation on how he survived the death star explosion, not talking about the entity, but his body. You cannot survive a planet sized explosion and then tell me he dies because of force lightning.
@Devin_Art 4 жыл бұрын
@@Tekaine I think that's literally what they are telling you. lol, not that I agree. The movie is a mess.
@AlphaladZXA 4 жыл бұрын
@@Tekaine couldnt he also force teleport like Rey did in tros? That seems like what happened to me
@Tekaine 4 жыл бұрын
@@AlphaladZXA Could be, but that power could also be limited to the force dyad, it's useless to think about this, the movie doesn't give 2 shits about making sense.
@matti.8465 3 жыл бұрын
...Holy shit that bit with the Vader hallway scene edited to be Luke aged spectacularly.
@ericsantucci6934 3 жыл бұрын
It's the only thing in this video that has.
@DanielFerreira-ez8qd 3 жыл бұрын
@@ericsantucci6934 The only thing to age badly were his expectations of the third movie
@kirbyofthestarsfan 3 жыл бұрын
The fact Disney's Star Wars is so easy to read what they can do next is laughable
@vintheguy 2 жыл бұрын
@@kirbyofthestarsfan no, this was just an accident
@eugger3011 Жыл бұрын
I legit thought that he just used the scene from the Mandalorian at first until I saw the Darth Vader suit clearer.
@El_Andru 4 жыл бұрын
For anyone asking where is The Rise of Skywalker guide. Remember, it has to be long enough for anyone to give a shit for Nerrel to make the video.
@Ixiah27 3 жыл бұрын
Easy, open bag, vomit.
@looppen9269 3 жыл бұрын
@@Ixiah27 pour it over the OT and Georges legacy
@Ixiah27 3 жыл бұрын
@@looppen9269 Hm, sorry, but why damage good movies ?
@looppen9269 3 жыл бұрын
@@Ixiah27 I mean't that thats what Jar Jar Abrams did
@desireheard3540 3 жыл бұрын
Well it is correct now
@KidAL0 4 жыл бұрын
Can’t wait for the spin-off Snoke series that leads up to his Quinceañera
@DRnick2359 4 жыл бұрын
LOL !!!!
@samjames6714 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, and we’ll discover that Snoke could never actually use the force, and used antique clocks as his source of power
@JJ-zr6fu 4 жыл бұрын
Snoke was interesting and scary until he died. Palpatine should've never come and Kylo should've become the evil villain and not the will they won't they goth love interest.
@Ilikestarwars1245 3 жыл бұрын
@@samjames6714 YESSS every clock is powered by a kyber crystal just like the lightsabers
@kylemorello4787 3 жыл бұрын
And his love of antique clocks!
@brunolinares604 4 жыл бұрын
"The souless corporate decision would have been to do easy fanservice" oof....
@glitchy000 4 жыл бұрын
Oof, indeed.
@sickoslater 4 жыл бұрын
HEY HEY HEY REMEMBER LANDO? REMEMBER PALPATINE?
@bakasta5992 4 жыл бұрын
2 YEARS LATER
@Wimikk 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve seen a post on reddit that suggested just ignoring Rise of Skywalker and accepting TLJ as the final movie. I’m ok with that.
@sacredbeastzenon 4 жыл бұрын
@@Wimikk Nah, I'd rather just retcon the ST.
@bencawthon2610 3 жыл бұрын
Well that one part where you put Luke’s face over the Vader hallway scene aged well....
@KnightThomash 3 жыл бұрын
First thing I though of after watching the episode
@thefilmrookie3099 3 жыл бұрын
KThomash same
@chrisquinn3377 3 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed that scene but on second watch it's kinda whack it just falls flat and seems kind of shoehorned in, while luke is a bit too whiny in TLJ he really does have some great moments dropping nuggets of wisdom
@SOBEKCrocodileGod 3 жыл бұрын
@@chrisquinn3377 eh, it was a bit fanservicey but I felt it makes sense considering the in-universe time period. Luke has become a Jedi master and is presumably even more skilled at the force and lightsaber combat than before. Not only that, but this is the very early stage of the Jedi order’s comeback, so I imagine there wouldn’t be many other Jedi out there that Grogu could reach. I think JJ not having Luke show up when Han and Leia were suffering in TFA lead to Rian writing Luke the way he did. People blame Rian, but he was just trying to find a way to explain why Luke never came to help.
@deadlyfremen7447 3 жыл бұрын
He’s destroying droids. Not killing people. So it’s not exactly the same I suppose 😂.
@marbleramirez6809 3 жыл бұрын
7:44 hits different after seeing the Mandalorian LMAO
@bebo2629 3 жыл бұрын
But it does not really contredict anything TLJ said. This is who Luke was during that time. I was not hyped because it did not look that great and it said nothing about the character but it was not bad.
@matti.8465 3 жыл бұрын
@@bebo2629 Of course, that's Luke in his prime and it's just as in-character...but you gotta agree it's hilarious how that exact thing happened.
@bebo2629 3 жыл бұрын
@@matti.8465 It is!
@Deadwolf27 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like it wasn't entirely unjustified. He was attacking droids in order to save a group of cornered people so it was in a way for defense. Truthfully I'm not sure what he could have done differently in that situation but that doesn't mean I'm excusing it altogether. I just felt it was a little more complicated than how we're saying it is. I still would have preferred something else and perhaps the writers could have just put them in a completely different situation where Like didn't have to come save them. Though then there's still the issue of resolving the child's plotline.
@spacecowboy3569 3 жыл бұрын
This aged like a fine wine
@TheOriginalPoon 4 жыл бұрын
It’s astonishing how TROS literally goes against everything this video was advocating for lol I would love to see a breakdown of TROS with this level of depth in the context of this video
@EliasSchnetzer 4 жыл бұрын
It's because of the backlash from all the fans. JJ Abrams and Disney thought they needed to fix something that actually wasn't broken. They could have put TLJ into a better light with using its ideas and build on them (use the concepts this video explains). Instead episode 9 actually wants TLJ to look bad and the rest is filler action which does not feel like Star Wars AT ALL. It feels like a Transformer movie with Star Wars characters and Star Wars ships. The charm of Star Wars is completely missing. And in the end, the new Disney trilogy doesn't change anything. The universe is now the same as it were at the end of episode 6 and that's just sad. The idea that true balance of the force is only accomplished by getting rid of the Sith AND the Jedi would have been awesome and would've created new opportunities for new interessting stories.
@robh8156 4 жыл бұрын
How exactly does it go against it?
@mooniuploads9165 4 жыл бұрын
@@EliasSchnetzer maybe to have rey die (all the sith in palps area dead and all the jedi in her are dead) thus restoring balance - kylo takes up the yellow lightsaber with a new form of jedi with better philosophy and its balanced, not entirely light or dark but both
@EliasSchnetzer 4 жыл бұрын
@@mooniuploads9165 yes that would have been a lot more interessting than the actual eding. i don't like that at the end rey lives again and kylo is dead. if rey were dead it would have had a much bigger impact in my opinion.
@mooniuploads9165 4 жыл бұрын
@@EliasSchnetzer mhm and kylo would've got a nice redemptive ending instead of the easy cheap death cop out. and a nice end to the skywalker saga instead of losing to manipulation and a palpatine taking their name lmao my other suggestion was to have rey turn to dark side and them both live but in the end take on yellow lightsabers together and have dark and light co exist
@bigbangaries 4 жыл бұрын
"it was so unoriginal that it doubled back on it's self and became original" might be the best and most accurate description of star wars I've ever heard
@orangedalmatian 4 жыл бұрын
that actually kinda makes sense when you think about it. When someone pulls really hard from one or two influences, it can result in creative incest, so to speak. When you are being influenced by one particular thing it's extremely obvious and almost always comes off as a straight ripoff. But the more varying influences you pull from, the more you muddy the waters and diversify the creative gene-pool, thus getting closer to being more original the more you rip off from lots of different sources and mix and match all those influences together in new ways. If star wars was only pulling from classic Flash Gordon like originally intended it would have been a shameless ripoff, why would I watch this when I can just watch what it's so clearly inspired by? But by adding the influences of things like Taoism and Samurai culture to create things like the Jedi and Sith, as well as a lot of the WW2 and Nazi symbolism towards the Empire and the stormtroopers (and the rebel alliance to lesser extent). And so on and so forth, you pull from so many things that you end up with something that's completely distinguished from it's primary original inspiration, and from everything else as well.
@mario167100 4 жыл бұрын
That’s most original stories.
@user-gb7ji6xy5d 4 жыл бұрын
@@mario167100 Agreed. Creativity comes not through creating something from nothing, but through combining and rearranging preexisting things in a (good) way nobody has thought about before. That's what makes the Original Trilogy a masterpiece. It draws upon so many sources: Joseph Campbell, Akira Kurosawa, Old Western, Isaac Asimov (this one I'm not so sure but the first book of Foundation predated A New Hope by 30 years and I've heard rumors about Lucas' notion of a Galactic Empire being inspired by Asimov), "The Dam Busters," and nostalgic conventions from last-century TV shows where a doomsday device must be deactivated by the hero in a given time and such. And then Lucas blends them in a clever way and gives birth to something completely refreshing and engaging. They say that execution is all that matters, and Lucas does it right. What the Sequel Trilogy does is not at all a creative process. It's a joke. A pale mockery done by JJ Abrams, mixed with a "fuck you" vibe spread all over it like rat poison spread over a suicide vest's projectiles by no other than Ryan Johnson. There's nothing creative in the making of those two films, just...repetitions, plagiarism, crudely done imitations, and spite; and the result is naturally something that's anything but a piece of literary work.
@mario167100 4 жыл бұрын
@@user-gb7ji6xy5d Why do you think that the sequel trilogy sucks?
@user-gb7ji6xy5d 4 жыл бұрын
@@mario167100 Lack of taste, culture, and respect, plus bloated ego and political agenda. That's why.
@thehza2592 3 жыл бұрын
"Watch a video of kittens playing and someone shitting on TLJ beneath it." I literally found this video due to someone linking it in a comment section for a video completely unrelated to Star Wars where a fight over this movie broke out
@platy4700 3 жыл бұрын
A fight broke out over Last Jedi? Send link
@DanielFerreira-ez8qd 3 жыл бұрын
Please send a link dude I know it's been half a year but please find it
@DanielFerreira-ez8qd 2 жыл бұрын
@@and8091 bruh
@stuff31 3 жыл бұрын
Sad nerrel noises when the emperor gets cloned, the becomes his granddaughter and basically all his other points are totally smothered
@GeneralKenobi75 3 жыл бұрын
Sad everyone when that happened.
@chrisquinn3377 3 жыл бұрын
Literally ruined the entire saga
@Epiousios18 3 жыл бұрын
Most of his points are still valid, and the gist of the video is still correct.
@stuff31 3 жыл бұрын
@@Epiousios18 yes, but it must have bit to see all that wasted potential
@Epiousios18 3 жыл бұрын
@@stuff31 I'd agree. My gut tells me they should have just stuck with Colin Trevorrow. His ideas were much more original at the very least, but only time will tell how these stories will age. I think TRoS gets some of the overarching themes right. Especially from a world building point of view.
@MaxLoafin 4 жыл бұрын
"Too Late, Who Gives a Shit" is now one of my favourite webseries
@dallaynavokan5513 4 жыл бұрын
IKR?! Can't wait for the next ep! :D
@CTOOFBOOGLE 4 жыл бұрын
Ezra.allknowing could you explain to me the exact differences between a vacuum chamber and outer space?
@Stunnacrew87 4 жыл бұрын
Nicholas Brush if you read the article he excerpts in this video, it actually says you’d be unconscious within 15 seconds, and dead shortly after. He failed to mention that bit of information however, for....some reason
@CTOOFBOOGLE 4 жыл бұрын
BROTHER Ron how is that relevant to my comment?
@Stunnacrew87 4 жыл бұрын
Nicholas Brush well, I answered your question, thats how. You’d be dead much quicker in outer space
@CUSHYDEMON 4 жыл бұрын
have we reached a pop-culture singularity where discussion surrounding the fandom expectations of massive brands like Star Wars is infinitely more interesting than the media themselves
@billbutton8468 4 жыл бұрын
Media discussion will always be just as good and entertaining as consuming media
@LordTactusMe 3 жыл бұрын
I loved this movie and it’s truly a good one. But, as you can see, people ruin the media with their own hands.
@haruhirogrimgar6047 3 жыл бұрын
That has been the case for a large variery of I.P.'s for a while now. Pokemon and Star Wars are the biggest examples I can think of.
@runekey 3 жыл бұрын
its the sad reality of why my favorite movies I watch after the theatrical release at home but the ones i dont care for I see opening day in theaters. I dont need to see experimental films in theaters to be park of the conversation, the topic will still be alive and the movie unspoiled whenever i get around to it. But if you miss opening weekend of a star wars film youre totally out of the loop
@NicolaZetroc 2 жыл бұрын
Well said my friend. 👍🏿
@GalvatronRodimus 2 жыл бұрын
My only issue with Leia flying through space was the visual aspect. I thought it made sense, I believed it, and I thought it looked a bit silly.
@KaminoKatie 2 жыл бұрын
The visual aspect of that scene jumped strait out of a later Showa era Godzilla film
@GalvatronRodimus 2 жыл бұрын
@@KaminoKatie LOL, that's spot-on!!
@kylemorello4787 Жыл бұрын
Agreed. I know she's pulling herself, but It does look like she's flying. I also don't buy that it's Leia's first time using the Force to it's full potential, as Rian said once. Sure, Luke's first trick involved pulling something, but it was just a sword from a snow bank. Pulling yourself from the air into a space station? Even as a person who exists in a world where the force doesn't exist, that sounds very advanced for a beginner. Then again, it did put Leia in a coma, so what do I know?
@mandarinduck Жыл бұрын
@@kylemorello4787 I think she went into a coma because she just barely survived being blasted out into the vacuum of space by a missile.
@PauLtus_B Жыл бұрын
It's funny that you always get these extensive lore essays about why Leia wouldn't be able to do that because some people are desperate to prove their opinion as "objective" while "it looks very silly" is probably the most valid criticism.
@heyzeus7258 3 жыл бұрын
I like how you pasted Luke's face on Vader, but now we got that in the Mandalorian this past year.....
@milkywayskywalker 3 жыл бұрын
He was taking out droids in the Mandalorian... how is that even close to same as killed younglings, or Tuskin kids, or real people on Tantative IV? He doesn't even kill Moff Gideon!
@dweep9546 4 жыл бұрын
"The emperor doesn't get cloned" ~ George Lucas JJ Abrams would like a word...
@amycampseros4829 4 жыл бұрын
Something something the entire Dark Empire series.
@CMGThePerson 4 жыл бұрын
Chromanyx which is where that quote originated from
@matilozano96 4 жыл бұрын
Well, it's Snoke that is a clone, technically. The emperor just survived the fall, lol
@CMGThePerson 4 жыл бұрын
Mati Lozano he used force nailing it. Which we’ve seen in episode V when Luke falls down a shaft and lands on an extremely thin antenna. In the clouds. See? Force Nailing it.
@fcf8269 4 жыл бұрын
@@CMGThePerson That is OK, how did he survive the explosion of the death star though :) Did he flew in space like mary poppins too?
@Melissa-tw2gp 4 жыл бұрын
Snoke’s Quinceanera is gonna be a great movie though. Can’t wait.
@luisrivera5476 3 жыл бұрын
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@HonsHon 3 жыл бұрын
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@dearinfrontoftree8362 3 жыл бұрын
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@TheGameCapsule 8 ай бұрын
I heard it was gonna be called Snokeceanera: A Star Wars Story
@spartanparty3894 4 жыл бұрын
I love that Luke didn't hurt anyone in the entire movie, he was completely peaceful, a true Jedi that saved his friends without hurting anyone else.
@megaultradamn 3 жыл бұрын
What a jedi thing to do... Attempting to kill his nephew in his sleep after only getting a tingle of the dark side from him.
@spartanparty3894 3 жыл бұрын
@@megaultradamn That is in the past, and in character. He didn't get a hint, he saw EVERYTHING that Ben would do and for a moment, lost his idealism. He did the exact same thing against Vader, except then the moment lasted longer.Both times, however, he came back from the edge, overcame his flaws and went on to become a near-perfect Jedi
@megaultradamn 3 жыл бұрын
@@spartanparty3894 Did the same thing to Vader? No. Vader killed his mentor, a planet full of billions of people, and captured his best friend. He still tried to sway him to the light. The only reason he snapped momentarily was when he had no other option. His friends were about to die, he was outmatched, and Vader threatened to turn Leia instead of him. He only stopped when Vader was incapacitated and saw the similarities between themselves. Luke had much longer time to decide what to do with Kylo. We never got a hint that he tried to talk to his nephew before he went into his tent. I would've bought that he was left with no other choice after he foresaw Kylo kill Han, but the film didn't give us anything to go off from. Wouldn't it be better to see what choices he had before commiting to the choice he made?
@spartanparty3894 3 жыл бұрын
@@megaultradamn Luke discovered what would happen when he entered Kylo's tent. That's the the moment he reffers to. I'm not saying that it was perfectly executed, just that it was in character. Luke noticed his nephew was acting weird and read his mind. He proceeded to get visions of the destruction of the Jedi temple, and the capital worlds by Starkiller base, and presumably Hans death. After all that Luke turned his lightsaber on out of instinct and then felt ashamed, but it was too late.
@megaultradamn 3 жыл бұрын
@@spartanparty3894 lol turned on the lightsaber out of instinct? After years and countless hours of Jedi meditation and training, he succumbs to the first murdererous instinct he has? Wouldn't the jedi thing be to calm down and rationally talk things through with Kylo? Christ, imagine if the Jedi slaughtered the younglings in the prequels for having naughty thoughts
@lordmashie 3 жыл бұрын
If it was up to me I would've had Rian Johnson direct both VIII and IX, just out of curiosity for knowing where he would've taken it because of all the people saying he wrote the series into a corner and there was nowhere to go.
@pacman5698 3 жыл бұрын
You can look up the Duel of the Fates script by Trevorrow and Connolly. When Trevorrow was originally helmed to do IX, he was writing the intended story to continue TLJ and it has certain elements that Johnson brought in that worked, and others that didn't. It got canned because Fisher's death threw a wrench in the bunch and the rewrites weren't getting them to the point in time. Coupled with the backlash to TLJ making Lucasfilm really feel as if they should retcon it as instructed by the base.
@michaelhutchings6602 4 ай бұрын
Rian was actually asked to direct IX after Colin stepped down but obviously turned it down.
@SnatchBandegrip 2 ай бұрын
I did not like TLJ -- IMO it's got a handful of good ideas and a mess of terrible ones -- but I like Johnson's other work and I am very curious what the ST would look like had he been around from the start.
@elidanielgomez3046 4 жыл бұрын
“Inspired by the last Jedi to be bolder in his final film” wow has this not aged well post TROS
@sthubbins4038 4 жыл бұрын
The butthurt fanboys made Kennedy pull back. So we get generic garbage. Thanks, guys.
@DanielBMS 4 жыл бұрын
@@sthubbins4038 Thank Warner Brothers for not warning them that this is a bad idea
@Virus-808 4 жыл бұрын
@@sthubbins4038 Yeah it's the fanboys fault that they had so little faith in Rian's film and its ideas, not their own. Lmfao cope. It's almost like they didn't have a real antagonist to use for the end of their trilogy and had to make something climax-worthy out of nothing.
@montefisto 4 жыл бұрын
@@sthubbins4038 Yes, fanboys are the reason the sequel trilogy is shit, Kennedy is a visionary. (I know sarcasm doesn't translate well over text, so let me just clarify that I'm implying that your argument is... questionable, to put it nicely)
@Scroteydada 4 жыл бұрын
@@montefisto they mean episode 9. It just shits on episode 8 and coward in the corner trying not to piss off the fanboys. It's pathetic. Worst of the new trilogy.
@calvinfranklyn5499 4 жыл бұрын
Well, 15 minutes in, and I now have all the Snoke backstory I'll ever need.
@michanowak7060 3 жыл бұрын
Snoke comes from the jar of snokes. Don't act like you wanted more.
@ellagage1256 3 жыл бұрын
But what about his quinceanera?! 😡
@calvinfranklyn5499 3 жыл бұрын
@@ellagage1256 We'll never know, now. Kylo Ren took that from us. 😭
@nicolaridolfi6510 Жыл бұрын
Snoke was a child that grew up and became an adult. Wow.
@boltfantasticated9705 3 жыл бұрын
I think you have single handedly made me like The Last Jedi. Before I was mostly neutral but you showing me how important this movie was in reference to the failures of the Jedi Order and the whole seeking balance to the force thing really made me appreciate what Rian was trying to do with this movie.
@DemonicRemption 3 жыл бұрын
@Bolt Fantasticated I envy you, because this video doesn't change my mind. Nerrel is saying the film actually had good ideas. I'm more focused on the execution of those ideas, which was done poorly.
@ouchcomma 3 жыл бұрын
@@DemonicRemption that’s what i have thought about this movie for the longest time- really cool ideas, execution needed a lot of work. however, upon the realization that i think of the prequels in a very similar way, i can at least appreciate the intentions this movie had and enjoy it for what it is, despite its large sum of flaws. even just the fact that this movie feels far more soulfully made and less corporate in reflection is enough for me to like it more.
@lukethespaceman3231 3 жыл бұрын
Kinda the same for me even though I was always leaning towards being favorable
@hashly8521 3 жыл бұрын
the video is just unnecessary tbh, it’s just strawmans, misunderstandings, and exaggerations, not to mention pretentious asf, which i get it, star wars fans are fucking annoying, but gosh. the movie itself is easily top 5 star wars films, but we’re doing too much now, the move is just recycled ideas that try to make something out of itself, and where it succeeds, it fails what dorks would call the trilogy with two awful films that got nothing wrapped up besides fan service. learning that george lucas decided to make luke a hermit actually bums me out, because i really expected it to be rian’s decision, i’m grateful he did go that direction in the end, although the execution was kinda…underwhelming
@Blue-Apple-fc9eo 3 жыл бұрын
@@hashly8521 I don’t think this video is “unnecessary” it change my view on the last Jedi
@Bi_scotti_5 4 жыл бұрын
The fact that JJ Abrams was inspired by The Last Jedi and said the ending of the trilogy was not effected is baffling to me. TROS spat in the face of every new and interesting idea TLJ had.
@revimfadli4666 4 жыл бұрын
The _ending_ might not be affected, but the first half spent backtracking TLJ)that fans complained about) likely was. In hindsight it might've been better to continue whatever RJ wanted with ep. IX, like DJ probably being set up as a twist mastermind that Ben & Rey have to fight together
@Bi_scotti_5 4 жыл бұрын
@@revimfadli4666 I think it should have just been Ben vs Rey. The other subplot could be Finn and Rose trying to bring stormtroopers over to the good side, rather than having a whole thing with stormtroopers defecting and "not fighting what we hate but saving what we love" just to slaughter them mercilessly the film directly after
@revimfadli4666 4 жыл бұрын
@@Bi_scotti_5 that's also good But even TFA itself abandoned the humanisation of stormtroopers when it's not Finn
@Bi_scotti_5 4 жыл бұрын
@@revimfadli4666 That's because J.J. is a bad writer, but I think that Finn would have needed the other 2 movies to convince him that it was the right choice.
@rmn070 2 жыл бұрын
Anyone here made rewrites for Episode 9? I would love to see them.
@conormassey6290 4 жыл бұрын
I sure as shit didn't like TLJ but this is an interesting and fair take and I fully intend on sharing it with the boys and hearing their thoughts. This is why im a fan of yours tho
@taylorpark3544 4 жыл бұрын
I couldn't agree more. I'm learning to lose my religious zealot like attitude and appreciate more narratives and views.
@suaviant 4 жыл бұрын
What on earth was fair about one-sidedly accusing people who don't like TLJ of living in an echo chamber? Or the liberal use of strawman arguments? Or the convenient omission of counterpoints? I think the big words just confused you, guy.
@mphylo2296 4 жыл бұрын
Imagine thinking TLJ haters are some sort of oppressed minority. What a joke.
@suaviant 4 жыл бұрын
@@mphylo2296 Imagine thinking anyone thinks that.
@suaviant 4 жыл бұрын
@@jiijijjijiijiij I know right! I don't get what happened.
@ChannelStarface 4 жыл бұрын
Rian Johnson: "Myths are not meant to sell action figures." Toys R Us: ...
@555elohwssa8 4 жыл бұрын
But they came back
@ilikepigeons6101 4 жыл бұрын
Toys r us, what did you expect?
@thetramp123 4 жыл бұрын
So now he killed Luke AND Toys R Us! Why, Rian Johnson, Why?!
@TitusCastiglione1503 4 жыл бұрын
Wait Rian actually said that? For real?
@justajawausingwifi4642 4 жыл бұрын
@@TitusCastiglione1503 yes he did disneystarwarsisdumb.wordpress.com/2018/03/19/rian-johnson-myths-are-not-made-to-sell-action-figures-as-toys-r-us-goes-out-of-business/
@TheGamingPolitician 2 жыл бұрын
It was actually amazing watching “EFAP” react to this video. They pause every few seconds, make a bunch of arguments, then those same arguments get completely invalidated a few moments later when the point you’re trying to make is concluded. They are the definition of goal post movers
@birdcar7808 2 жыл бұрын
It’s actually kind of insane. My absolute favorite part is when one of them got nitpicky about the clip of Johnson saying King Arthur’s hero’s journey started with the sword in the stone, and then conveniently didn’t have anything to say when they all misinterpreted the rest of Johnson’s point about King Arthur’s later life getting darker as he grew older (spoiler, he considers killing his nephew). And then they went on a tangent about Johnson’s “punchable face”. Truly, the high bar of objective criticism.
@Crusty783 2 жыл бұрын
Don't forget the KMT part where they said they aren't racist and then lost their shit laughing at every piece of racism towards KMT that Nerrel showed in the vid. Goofy motherfuckers
@ofarra9588 2 жыл бұрын
I didn't know that they had done this. When I saw, I went out, watched the video, and left rebuttals to like 20 different comments. Perhaps that was a bit of a douchey move, but... Nerrel is the best human on the planet and I will not stand by and let him get harrased.
@moscanaveia 2 жыл бұрын
What's efap?
@masoncampeau4145 2 жыл бұрын
@@moscanaveia it’s a podcast
@studiostoneage9567 3 жыл бұрын
I really didn't like the movie, but the points you make are great. Would have been interesting to see the whole trilogy realized by johnson.
@butterball8378 3 жыл бұрын
I think these movies didn't really need to be completely made by Johnson. However, some communication between directors sounds like it would've improved the series
@SirBlackReeds 2 жыл бұрын
Are they? Abrams and Johnson failed to realize what gave Star Wars its worldwide appeal in the first place. The Skywalker Saga, the actual Skywalker Saga, is a straightforward story to the point where there are no jumps in time.
@Eyeupthebison 2 жыл бұрын
@@SirBlackReeds yeah attack of the clones doesnt time skip almost a decade, empire to return of the jedi doesnt have a 3 year time gap Phantom menace doesnt have a decades time jump either Your so right there are no time jumps
@SirBlackReeds 2 жыл бұрын
@@Eyeupthebison Why do you misrepresent me? Those aren't jumps in time. A jump in time is a _flashback._ If you can point to a flashbacks or flashforward in the entire, actual Skywalker Saga, then I will concede. Better yet, go watch So Uncivilized videos.
@Eyeupthebison 2 жыл бұрын
@@SirBlackReeds anakin seeing padme giving birth is a flash forward Better yet there are 3 time jumps in the prequels 2 in the OT 1 in the st
@justaguy1212 4 жыл бұрын
I always thought Jedi jumping was done with the Force instead of super legs
@commandercaptain4664 4 жыл бұрын
That's just fanons trying to be bigger than that which they allegedly "love". Reject them.
@alathmasster2189 4 жыл бұрын
cuz it is
@CTOOFBOOGLE 4 жыл бұрын
Alath Masster no it isn’t, shit is all made up
@kanalkucker14 4 жыл бұрын
They do jump with the force
@petercarioscia9189 4 жыл бұрын
@@CTOOFBOOGLE galaxy brain response
@jeskaisekai_6785 4 жыл бұрын
Myths are not made to sell action figures Perfection
@isaiahdavis9486 4 жыл бұрын
True, but Porgs are.
@SineEyed 4 жыл бұрын
@L1qu1d S1lenc3r yes, he certainly did. For all the kids at home reading this: what we can draw from this, is that Rian "Hasno" Johnson doesn't know wtf he's talking about..
@isaiahdavis9486 4 жыл бұрын
SineEyed 2020 Star Wars isn’t a myth, it’s just a work of fiction inspired by myths. Rian wasn’t referring to Star Wars specifically. Sure, Rian as well as LITERALLY ALL FICTION was inspired off of myths. And even so, Disney isn’t going to not make action figures. George Lucas, on the other hand- yeah, no he’s in it for the toys. I don’t get why we all have to blame Rian for being a smart writer as well as just a Star Wars fan, like us.
@SineEyed 4 жыл бұрын
@@isaiahdavis9486 your comment is so far from accurate it's not even funny.. 😞
@isaiahdavis9486 4 жыл бұрын
SineEyed 2020 I assume that you disagree with “LITERALLY ALL FICTION” part, which was sort of a joke, but at the same time, I’m hard pressed just coming up with something that isn’t at least loosely based from fiction. If you disagree with something else in the comment then I am curious to know what else.
@Jakura_Nuva 5 ай бұрын
Hey, thanks for making this video. I've been on the fence about this movie since seeing it in the theater, with the positives always feeling matched or slightly overcome by my negatives. Years of circular discourse and certain popular video essays/reviews didn't really help. I don't know why it took me so long to watch this when I've been subscribed for awhile, but I'm glad I have. Covering Star Wars' storytelling history and the way fans tend to fixate on the wrong things before leading into how Rian Johnson carried the "big idea" forward while still trying to make something unique gave me a new appreciation for The Last Jedi's story; and the context of the Abrams films on either side puts it into perspective even more. If I had one "major" critique, it's that some of the commonly-lambasted scenes or moments you defend seem to be defended primarily on concept rather than execution - the biggest example for me being Luke throwing away the lightsaber. Not a problem at all in concept, but the context of the TLJ scene frames it as a comedy beat, and that's where it really falls flat for me. I didn't find it funny, just kind of awkward; and I'd describe numerous scenes or moments throughout the film in the exact same way, as worthy ideas (whether comedic or not) that are executed awkwardly, usually on the visual level. Leia's space maneuver, some Canto Bight shenanigans, etc. I acknowledge that humor is one of the most subjective things, so YMMV, but overall that "dubious execution" is a prevailing, unifying negative. I'll be rewatching the movie soon, so I'm curious to see if my perspective changes in that regard. Anyway, the fact you managed to succinctly cover the film, SW as a franchise, and SW as a fandom all in one video under 40 minutes is really impressive in comparison to other reviews out there, lol. And on top of all that, I think you did a really good job on all fronts. I'd love to hear you talk about Star Wars more in the future, if you ever feel like you have more to say.
@mr.noisyowl 4 ай бұрын
Well said!
@Yoda-wf6bu Жыл бұрын
I always come back to this video. Even after TROS, it's so rewatchable.
@Paper_titan Жыл бұрын
Agreed. There are more strawman than a harvest festival and it's fun to watch him bash em
@andrewjenkins9965 Жыл бұрын
@@Paper_titan what do you mean, "strawman"? I've heard actual people making the arguments he's refuting in this video.
@krieghart5515 4 жыл бұрын
"You were the Chose One, Anakin, I googled it!"
@SousukeAizen421 4 жыл бұрын
Must....feeeed.....
@TheHalogen131 4 жыл бұрын
@Czech Paratrooper You are absolutely fucking right! This is so disingenious, he is lying into our faces.
@krieghart5515 4 жыл бұрын
It's Disingenuous, twisting data and facts to support the narrative he wants to tell. No respect.
@corvus9490 4 жыл бұрын
@Czech Paratrooper I'm too lazy to read it, could you summarize it?
@vintheguy 4 жыл бұрын
Guys It was really obvious that was a joke
@andreww830 4 жыл бұрын
"The wookie has no pants" -Mark Hamil, 2004
@BenWillock Жыл бұрын
I wish I'd found this video three years ago. Edit: You ABSOLUTELY changed the mind of a hater.
@JacobKowanetz 4 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love the continuity of your garbage truck.
@ArveEriksson 4 жыл бұрын
Take-home message: The wookiee has no pants. Thank you, Mark Hamill!
@Briaaanz 4 жыл бұрын
"The wookie has no pants" just adds to the creepy part of the Christmas Special
@WiloPolis03 4 жыл бұрын
Very cool
@simo4875 3 жыл бұрын
He gave me the most profound realization of my life right there...
@Fooacta 4 жыл бұрын
"It's disrespectful to parade them around for nostalgia's sake without moving them forward" *Cries in Dragonball*
@MonkeySpaceWalk 4 жыл бұрын
Fooacta I love this joke and you. I feel seen.
@maxmuhr9249 4 жыл бұрын
Truth to power my man :D
@Fooacta 4 жыл бұрын
@Jos Stupid? Always. Mediocre? ...Occasionally, yeah. Mostly after Cell though. Otherwise it's pretty awesome as a whole
@exquisitecorpse4917 4 жыл бұрын
@Jos The real reason it's popular is that there wasn't an easy way to get anime in the early-mid 90s....there was pretty much just DBZ and Sailor Moon. But a little switch clicked in a lot of peoples' heads: Japanese TV is different, and it's fcking interesting! That said, I've never liked Dragonball....the first anime that clicked with me was a bootleg VHS of Lain, but you had to "know a guy" to find that stuff. Now we have lots of anime, but no one can shut up about the first one they really loved (hence all 90s kids showering praise on a kind of mediocre anime)
@lukejones7164 3 жыл бұрын
@@exquisitecorpse4917 Dragonball was no one's first anime in Japan yet its most successful there.
@simplykenobi 2 ай бұрын
great video
@nuttbutt8358 3 жыл бұрын
I can’t BELIEVE you predicted the mandolorian season 2 finale.
@promo9467 4 жыл бұрын
My only real problem is that neither Rey nor Kylo lost their arms Like how do you mess that up
@deadchannel5358 4 жыл бұрын
JJ really has some slack to pick up huh
@KEVMAN7987 4 жыл бұрын
Could you imagine the backlash at showing a woman being dismembered? Especially with today's too PC, SJW culture?
@brianbrush5107 4 жыл бұрын
@@KEVMAN7987 Honestly while it's an issue, look at what happened with Hazbin Hotel for example...how big an issue It is is SERIOUSLY overblown.
@jblue1622 4 жыл бұрын
Kevin Gomolchak and then we push back and say you wanted equality right?
@jblue1622 4 жыл бұрын
Kevin Gomolchak also stop being a parrot, the world has always been PC
@wigglyboots2 4 жыл бұрын
The bit about Snoke's Quinceanera nearly killed me. Well done.
@Azzyzazz 4 жыл бұрын
I unironically think it would have been a better film had it gone that route (Or maybe an outtake lmfao)
@CTOOFBOOGLE 4 жыл бұрын
K C wait really?
@Edgaralexi 4 жыл бұрын
Hilarious
@CTOOFBOOGLE 4 жыл бұрын
RogelioDelaToro snoke has about as much development as palpatine in the OT, and if those movies are sacrosanct I don’t understand why it’s a problem here.
@aolson1111 4 жыл бұрын
@@Ballislife32 The movie wasn't about Snoke. Every single movie has characters that we don't get backstory on.
@hpfan1330 4 ай бұрын
"That didn't exactly work out for Indiana Jones" That goes double now.
@ignitionfrn2223 3 жыл бұрын
4:05 - The force 9:35 - Mystery 16:00 - Luke 22:15 - Themes
@moscanaveia 2 жыл бұрын
Bump
@SteveSmith-rt7wx Жыл бұрын
“Themes” lol
@dreemurchara 2 ай бұрын
@@SteveSmith-rt7wxWhat are you laughing at?
@descendentcross4105 4 жыл бұрын
I seriously don't think it's too late to talk about the last jedi.
@jblue1622 4 жыл бұрын
Trigger Me6 ...but I’m failing to come up with a joke.**
@qmulus1 4 жыл бұрын
Vasian Vasianich There was nothing profound about it.
@jennySeidel7494 4 жыл бұрын
The people who didn't like it certainly still won't shut the hell up about it.
@qmulus1 4 жыл бұрын
Jenny Seidel And why should they?
@jennySeidel7494 4 жыл бұрын
@@qmulus1 Because it's pathetic to constantly complain about the same sub-par movie for two years. Most sane people would've just said they didn't like it, said why they didn't like it, and move on with their lives. It really shouldn't be that big of a deal.
@ethanhutchings5024 4 жыл бұрын
Not yet my child we haven't even got to my quinceanera yet
@DetectiveWorkStudios 4 жыл бұрын
Best line
@StriderStryker 2 жыл бұрын
_“…we can talk about why Star Wars fans are the worst people…”_ Judging on what happened to the prequels that almost lead the actor of *Jar Jar Binks* to *commit suicide,* you’re not wrong.
@hatefulgaming1800 2 жыл бұрын
I would consider what they did to Jake Lloyd to worse.
@swissidol8403 2 жыл бұрын
Holy shit, that happened? What about him registers it as acceptable in their minds to harass the actor to that point?
@DamianSzajnowski 2 жыл бұрын
@@swissidol8403 idiocy, as usually
@DamianSzajnowski 2 жыл бұрын
@@swissidol8403 and self-righteousness
@user-ly2ll5od1r 2 жыл бұрын
George Lucas also contemplated suicide after the backlash of the prequels.
@linkking46 3 ай бұрын
I LOLed at when the director defended the doppleganger ability and fans told him it wasn´t cannon, my brothers in christ he made it cannon hahaha
@berserkasaurusrex4233 2 ай бұрын
Fans determine canon, not directors. Or studios for that matter. Just look at the wasteland of failed Terminator reboots.
@hrganley 4 жыл бұрын
The hot take to end all other hot takes. There are a lot of good things for TLJ and theme in general, but there are also a lot of valid criticisms that can help others become better filmmakers/writers.
@korvo3427 4 жыл бұрын
Not really a hot take. A lot of people liked it.
@rednas3271 4 жыл бұрын
If only Rian Johnson could actually listen to those valid criticisms
@korvo3427 4 жыл бұрын
@@rednas3271 Except that it doesn't matter cause it doesn't look like he'll be making another Star Wars movie.
@korvo3427 4 жыл бұрын
@Grant Kerr Yes he has. Like it or not.
@deskrabbit2190 4 жыл бұрын
Every film should be criticised for its flaws and praised for its achievements, but at the end of the day, the main thing is whether you enjoyed seeing it or not.
@AlChestBreachFan7 4 жыл бұрын
Rose stops Finn from sacrificing himself by damn near sacrificing herself.
@Convicted_Melon 4 жыл бұрын
And everyone else.
@Xfushion2 4 жыл бұрын
@InSanctvs Also it makes her look selfish by saving the guy he likes and essentialy leaving all the rest to die. Keep in mind that no one had a backup plan, not even Leia and no one knew Luke was coming at all, from their perspective they were on their own and the only chance they had to survive and gain time was to stop that cannon and is actually funny that when she delivers the line of "saving what we love" the empire blows up the doors to the base And yes Luke did prevent the empire for killing them but again, he being there from their perspective is pure luck, Rose's actions made no sense at all.
@BananaWamma7 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah honestly I’m in the camp that thinks this is the best SW movie since Empire but every time I watch and see that scene I facepalm. It even just goes against the rest of what the movie sets up. And the romance felt forced, like I didn’t get any kind of romantic vibes from them at all. Like if they were going to ship them then they should’ve done it in the next film where they had time to develop something between them other than platonic. Though I did like Roses character cause it felt fresh, like it’s nice to see a main-ish character in SW that’s not a combatant of some sort.
@LegendofLegaia929 4 жыл бұрын
Them both* This video was great, but no one will ever convince me that scene wasn't fucking stupid. They should have had her stop him from going out there in the first place.
@TacticusPrime 4 жыл бұрын
Also, the purple haired lady JUST sacrificed herself to save them. Literally, right before.
@lucasslavin348 3 жыл бұрын
3:51 in and this is already the best piece of Star Wars related content on KZfaq
@oscarreece8801 4 жыл бұрын
I love how there are reasonable people on the internet still haha
@chocov1233 3 жыл бұрын
Of course, the only people who don't notice them are either ignoring them, haven't been on the internet long enough, are Bister Rabbit, or just only notice the negativ; That last one is especially notable as it seem that most people truly only notice the negative.
@stardustsdd 3 жыл бұрын
@@chocov1233 all humans have by evolution a negativity bias, so yeah, it's common.
@ericsantucci6934 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, too bad Nerrel isn't one of them.
@bradenlynn213 4 жыл бұрын
After seeing Rise of Skywalker this is such a perfect video. I have no doubt that Rian Johnson loves star wars and made a truly fantastic and tragically misunderstood film
@bradenlynn213 4 жыл бұрын
@MisAnthro Pony of the sequels it's the only one significantly built off Lucas's original plans (old hermit luke training a young female jedi originally names Kira on an island) and it is pretty consistent with the lore other than the newly introduced force projection. Most of the episodes introduce a new force power. 5 introduced force jumps, 6 introduced lightning, 1 introduced jedi sprint, 7 introduced stopping blaster bolts, and most of the powers come from the old EU.
@basedchimera5859 4 жыл бұрын
@MisAnthro Pony oh so now the brony's gonna lecture us?
@vintheguy 4 жыл бұрын
@MisAnthro Pony My nigga Is that you? God damn now your the entitled brat
@madeyoulook6392 4 жыл бұрын
I'm still laughing at "he's choking him through the TV . . . He's . . . Skype choking him !"
@thefilmrookie3099 3 жыл бұрын
7:45 lol. After watching mando this came right to my head. How ironic that this is exactly what fans are cheering on. Right down to your sentence.
@thefilmrookie3099 3 жыл бұрын
Jacob Hunter I don’t get what your saying but. I feel that the the fan base that doesn’t like the sequels want something that is harmless and expands on existing material. Instead of expanding the story and changing the monotony of Star Wars. Like Mando. Season two pushes this forward in a more obvious at, getting a lot more excitement out of the audience. I feel like Lucasfilm knows this. That’s why I am nervous for Star Wars. People enjoy rouge one for those reasons. Even the people who have a negativity towards the sequels would say that 7 and 9 are the best. Which ironically utilise familiar assets. The only difference is that it is still affecting the main Star Wars as a whole, as too the dislike. Tell me, have you noticed any new Star Wars besides Rians trilogy that isn’t in the realm of creating new Star Wars, instead of expanding what we love? That what I mean of Lucasfilm knows this.
@matti.8465 3 жыл бұрын
@@thefilmrookie3099 I think the new stuff is expanding and doing new stuff but in a safer way. That's not necessarily bad, but it's noticeable.
@thefilmrookie3099 3 жыл бұрын
@@matti.8465 I am someone who likes change. And It will get repetitive. People just like to form movies with marvel these days. Action everywhere with fan service and epic moments. It is evident of the fact that people think Jedi are superhero’s now judging by how they say Luke should have acted.
@cedric15773 4 ай бұрын
Honestly, after seeing Luke shat on by pretty much every single piece of Disney media, seeing ONE scene where he’s portrayed in a positive light must be the most refreshing thing on the planet to Star Wars fans. It’s like a woman in an abusive relationship taking beating after beating, until one day, her husband finally cooks dinner for her for once. Yeah, that doesn’t even come close to making up for all the abuse he put her through, but in her eyes, that must seem like the biggest act of kindness in the world to her. And it’s enough to keep her from leaving and finding someone better, which is exactly what the husband planned for from the beginning.
@lumbagoboi1649 4 ай бұрын
What a surprise, Luke actually being a hero made everyone happy...
@knightriddler777 3 жыл бұрын
"Destructive power is a Sith thing." Oh, boy...
@Epiousios18 3 жыл бұрын
I don't get it. Are you referencing Luke in the Mandalorian? There is a reason why in one hallway scene robots are being destroyed and in the other human beings are being slaughtered.
@knightriddler777 3 жыл бұрын
@@Epiousios18 I was, but that's a fair point.
@benjaminwatson7868 2 жыл бұрын
@@Epiousios18 isn’t it supposed to be an ongoing moral thing in Star Wars whether droids are people or not
@bageltoo 2 жыл бұрын
@@benjaminwatson7868 The movies never seem to think much of it. Droids like C3PO are bought and sold like property, despite being living, independent beings.
@aolson1111 2 жыл бұрын
@@Epiousios18 What if it was humans in the hallway, instead? Would he have turned around and flew off?
@emexdizzy 4 жыл бұрын
"GROWING UP I ALWAYS HAD A FASCINATION WITH ANTIQUE CLOCKS. THE TICKING... //gasps ...THE TOCKING."
@Sonardo01 4 жыл бұрын
I had to look up whether that "Jedi Leaping and Running" page was real. Well played.
@cinnamonnoir2487 4 жыл бұрын
I don't always agree with Nerrel, but his image manipulation has always been top-tier.
@RichboyJhae 3 жыл бұрын
it's depressing that the luke hallway scene in this video was a joke, then mando went and literally did it. the fanboys have taken over.
@thefilmrookie3099 3 жыл бұрын
So true.
@scroppy6953 3 жыл бұрын
to be fair, those were droids that were in his way of saving grogu
@trustno173 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, having Luke be a hero and not a whiny, cowardly piece of shit who stood by and allowed billions of people to die and then bitched when asked to help is so terrible. Fuck off with your pretentious bullshit. The sequels damaged Star Wars and now Mando is fixing it.
@scroppy6953 3 жыл бұрын
@@trustno173 typical Star Wars fan
@thefilmrookie3099 3 жыл бұрын
@@trustno173 “everything you just said, is wrong.” You really need to put into perspective that he shit himself off from the force so he wouldn’t be tempted to help. Paying attention you’d see that his intentions are heroic. He wanted the galaxy to balance itself out without the Jedi. He was disillusioned and all hero’s are wrong. As the movie makes him out to be, also that is the lesson yoda teaches Luke. Saving the galaxy by keeping the spark of hope alive, and igniting it to a blaze when he stands up to the first order, inspiring any to do the same. Which Luke is based on hope. The mandalorian Luke just comes in, destroys an army of robots (cheap way to make someone seem badass). Then takes grogu, not giving the audience hope, but making us sad and the characters that a part of them and the show is taken away. Which to me doesn’t represent the hopeful Luke. Doesn’t it?
@MistahJBasic 3 жыл бұрын
"The important thing for this character at this point isn't finding the answer, its breaking her dependence on it" something I wish the star wars fan base learned long ago.
@kungolaf4499 3 жыл бұрын
Beatifully said.
@frempy4426 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah for real Star Wars doesn't deserve Rian Johnson XD
@kazmark_gl8652 3 жыл бұрын
@@frempy4426 I hope they are still planning on making the proposed Ryan Johnson Trilogy. I want to see what Ryan can do with full creative control over a full and proper story. like of everyone who's worked on star wars films and TV Ryan is the only director I would trust with writing something KOTOR:2's masterpiece story.
@diegodankquixote-wry3242 4 жыл бұрын
>holds on to glass of rhino milk Go on
@Gerardo-eo5kb 4 жыл бұрын
A fellow toxic brother 🥛
@amazinblasian117 4 жыл бұрын
Slice and dice, brother!
@professionalspecialist5780 4 жыл бұрын
Praise Jeb!
@titansparrow64 4 жыл бұрын
*sips some 🦏🥛* Should we inform the rest of the Toxic Broods of this video? we could potentially have another MajorLee situation where EFAP brings on a guest that made a not so great TLJ video (not to mention another gold mine for some high quality memes)?
@diegodankquixote-wry3242 4 жыл бұрын
@@titansparrow64 we should. I would like to see nerrel debate mauler and jay. It would be celestial!
@misumikaminari 4 жыл бұрын
You skipped over that casino area of episode 8 really hard tho.
@matthewknight5926 4 жыл бұрын
Misumi Kaminari even the people who like the film skip that scene hard as F U C K
@Edgaralexi 4 жыл бұрын
That’s just beating a dead horse
@GhostGrav1ty 4 жыл бұрын
The whole film should have just skipped that part
@misumikaminari 4 жыл бұрын
@Geralt of Trivia it was 11 minutes sure, but it was a nearly un necessary 11 minutes, i was a little funny and could be comedic relief, but why relieve tension being built by the rebels slowly flying away from the super huge destroyer? Its very out of place, and almost didnt belong in the movie at all.
@misumikaminari 4 жыл бұрын
@Geralt of Trivia and my point wasnt "the movie was ruined by this" My point was "hey, youtube guy who made this, you did not address this string of scenes in the film that i viewed as very unimportant, where you claimed and shown the importance of the rest of the film." So we are both on the same side, i just wanted him to address the needlessly created paralells to our society in a movie thats supposed to be timeless, but will lose its timelessness by relating to a timeframe in our current state of country.
@liberalimperial3410 2 жыл бұрын
This dude saying his show is pointless cos this been talked to death, yet within the first five minutes he’s taught me shit loads about SW and it’s history. Keep goin mah dude
@anuragsrivatsa3410 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, that hallway gag at 7:44 aged like a fine wine.
@Mysteryof89 4 жыл бұрын
Omg, your Snoke segment explaining his backstory XD
@SineEyed 4 жыл бұрын
ikr? So stupid. One of the worst straw man arguments in this entire video. You've gotta bee a real bonehead not to understand what the issue is with Snoke's presence in the galaxy not being explained..
@chaosmkmk 4 жыл бұрын
I loved that part, straight gold.
@april5054 4 жыл бұрын
@@SineEyed When Palpy was first introduced in the original trilogy, his presence went completely unexplained, and nobody cared. Why should Snoke's backstory be given in the _middle_ film of a _trilogy,_ anyway? That wouldn't make any sense.
@paragonpoints8420 4 жыл бұрын
April Sidious didn’t need anything, as he contradicted nothing of the world we were introduced to in 1977 (he was even mentioned in that movie), and yet we got his story anyway. Snoke contradicts the ending of Return of the Jedi and his rise to power makes no sense. Your equivalence is nonsense.
@SineEyed 4 жыл бұрын
@@april5054 it's very simple - Snoke would have been alive through the PT and OT eras. In TLJ we're shown that Snoke is vastly more powerful than any other force user we've ever seen. He's stronger than Luke, Vader, and Sidious combined. So where the hell _was_ he the whole time? Where was this galactic powerhouse hiding such that no other force users ever sensed his presence? Also, _why_ was he in hiding the whole time? Snoke's presence in the galaxy all the sudden is 100% incongruous with everything we know about that universe. RJ is 100% a retard..
@Oldnoname 4 жыл бұрын
My favorite part is when they go to the planet with slave children and decide to free the animals.....
@wolborg105 4 жыл бұрын
no name What did you want them to do? Take the children to an active war zone?
@DigitalGator 4 жыл бұрын
wolborg105 They could’ve... just not had that side plot.
@cristiansaucedo4707 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah. I liked a good amount of what the guy said but even he admits to sharing criticisms. Obviously a movie can have a problem or 2, but the execution of this film could have been better. Luke left a map to tell Rey he was done? Saving animals is more important than children, even when you have the option for both? (I can't remember if they had time for both) Holdo couldn't have committed suicide sooner so that less people/ships would have been destroyed? (They lost the medical ship with the lead doctor. Kind of important...) The fans have always had criticisms regarding the story and obviously Disney can tell Mark to say this and the media to say that. Nerrel believes what is being said about the Fandom Menace and it sucks because he is misinterpreting the passion the fans have and telling people to calm down, after the insults that the media have made, for more movies than just Star Wars.
@Ringdingsandmilk 4 жыл бұрын
That’s how they win! #worthit
@jackyoh971 4 жыл бұрын
Vegan lobby is strong in this film look at what they did to Chewbacca...
@blacalmontie 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for a deep, insightful review. You’ve given me much to ponder and have shown me a different perspective.
@lineclosed1576 2 жыл бұрын
This has been legit fascinating. I had basically come around to Luke's portrayal in Last Jedi, but this puts the rest of the film in perspective for me. There are still issues that I have, including any lack of backstory for Snoke (Luke or Leia could have given a single line explaining at least what they thought Snoke was). For the first time, I get what the critics saw in this movie. It's just a shame it was all wasted by IX.
@KaminoKatie 2 жыл бұрын
I mean The Emperor didn't have any backstory in the original trilogy but that doesn't matter since he serves as an obstacle to Vader and Luke's arc
@SirBlackReeds 2 жыл бұрын
Why? Luke's change in personality was never properly transitioned. He was loyal to a fault, fearless when it's time for action, and a little impatient with the persons who doubt him. Now he's a cynical old man who's given up. There's Point A and Point D, but it's lacking Points B & C.
@KaminoKatie 2 жыл бұрын
@@SirBlackReeds People don't stay the same forever especially in 30 years
@pacman5698 2 жыл бұрын
@@KaminoKatie Also the description people make up of Luke isn't even true when they state he was "out of character" in TLJ. He was just as much whiney, reckless, stubborn as a mule, and prone to anger and rage as he was positive. For a character they describe as the shining beacon of all things good about humanity it took seeing his family getting incinerated in a raid just to get him off the planet and out of his room playing with his toys. They write about Luke as if the entire point of his character was not that he was supposed to be a villain in his story given his lineage and how much he shared with daddy. He was good in spite of his destiny and nature. Not because of it. I think a lot of the fanbase views Luke in the same way a lot of them treat Boba Fett. They like the idea of what he CAN BE as opposed to who he actually was.
@BlueisNotaWarmColour 2 жыл бұрын
@@KaminoKatie I think the problem with comparing Snoke to the Emperor is... we already got the Emperor. He was evil incarnate, the devil on Vader's shoulder, and his name tells everything we need to know about him- there's an Empire and he's the one in charge. Snoke is, um, also the Emperor but not? Emperor 2? It's the inherent downside to being the 5th/8th film in a 40-year-old franchise. Audiences expect an explanation to contextualize any addition to the narrative.
@DianaDxD 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly Yoda's line on failure is something that has stuck with me. I was always afraid of failure and tried my hardest to not do so. Despite seeing the movie a few days ago and rewatching last night it's one line of the movie I felt had meaning. There are plenty of thought provoking lines in this movie but that one in particular stuck out to me and honestly it still surprises me that people hate this movie because this movie is smart and thought provoking
@KireiC 4 жыл бұрын
For real! I think I liked TLJ as much as I did because I loved that theme of screwing up, and then having to eat that and then try again. Learning from the past, instead of just killing it.
@DianaDxD 4 жыл бұрын
@@KireiC Dude same. I also really enjoyed how they made Luke more human because of that. I watched the og trilogy in high school because I didn't grow up with it and I've seen people idolize Luke as this perfect protagonist but I saw he wasn't perfect he's human just like the rest of us. Kylo to me at least was way improved because to me his character didn't gel with me all that much. I also loved him and Rey working together. I really love the whole enemies to lovers trope
@somegeekguy 4 жыл бұрын
It’s an amazing film
@o...o4144 4 жыл бұрын
This!
@johnsmith-xh9gi 4 жыл бұрын
Holy shit those Snoke jokes made me laugh so hard 😂
@KEVMAN7987 4 жыл бұрын
I want to hear more about these pies...
@WillNelson73 4 жыл бұрын
@LogiKaiser exactly.
@kingofmonsters14 4 жыл бұрын
what was that voice clip from?
@CTOOFBOOGLE 4 жыл бұрын
kingofmonsters14 I think Nerrel did it
@dinocelahmetovic7263 4 жыл бұрын
@LogiKaiser I can understand that point of view but I disagree. I think what Nerrel is getting at is that we don't need to know anything about Snoke in terms of backstory and lore in this trilogy as his character only serves to shape Kylo and progress the scene. Just like the Emperor in Return of the Jedi. I do see your point though and would have liked to have gotten more answers as well in a more drawn out pace throughout the film. Although ultimately he is just a big bad to drive the movie forward, characters like Snoke and Palpatine have little to no character besides being comically evil.
@AtPlume Жыл бұрын
You have reconciled me with this movie and made me take a step back on a lot of my approach with media. How dangerously arrogant and media illiterate lots of people who fancies themselves as critics are, how I am too. Thanks a lot. As an aspiring writer, it's making me change a lot of things about myself and I am grateful.
@Big_Dai Жыл бұрын
So.. is Nerrel a critic too?
@Paper_titan Жыл бұрын
No, you should be even more critical and discerning if you are an aspiring writer. You should be able to pick out the writing flaws in TLJ, the number of which can fill hours of video and discussion, for what they are. Flaws. And thinking 'everyone else is media illiterate, I wrote a masterpiece' isn't going to help you.
@paullopaki Жыл бұрын
@Jeremy Smith Not trying to bait you or degrade your opinion, but what flaws exactly?
@phoenixdown5181 Жыл бұрын
@Jeremy Smith there's difference between finding "flaws" and being a nitpicky little bitch. Did you even watch the video?
@yetanotherspuart3993 Жыл бұрын
@@paullopaki Disappearing weapon. Fight choreography that makes no sense. Luke's change in character without a reason why he changed. Why Poe saving he fleet is considered bad. Why the dreadnought scanned the base, found no lifesigns, blew it up, then waited, while looking at the fleet had to charge up its gun to fire on the fleet just sitting there. Why is the code breaker just conveniently sitting in he cell Rose and Finn are thrown in. Rose rescue animals, leaves slave children, after revealing she grew up as a slave. So you need more???
@mog-myownbestfriend 6 ай бұрын
That's some remarkably fresh air I'm getting, what a pleasant thing.
@aubreyv1389 4 жыл бұрын
I felt that TLJ was the most personal episode of this trilogy. I think that had Johnson directed all three films it would have been a better trilogy than had Abrams done all three.
@benmarshall5023 4 жыл бұрын
Even though I can easily complain about things I didn't like in TLJ, I agree. After seeing TROS i just wish Finns part wouldn't have been so shit in TLJ because it really brought the movie down (and I believe thats what caused a lot of negativity towards it). And it would have to change a lot of the movie but I would've liked Finn and Poe to spend more time with each other.
@ravenwhiteduck3158 4 жыл бұрын
Nope, if rian had directed the third act he'd realise the corner he put himself in with tlj, that was my favorite thing about tlj, asking fans of that movie if their syched for nine, 10 out of 10 said "what?" No matter what happened the third act was gonna be shit, it's why I respect Irvin Kershner, the guy was considerate of his peers and left many interesting threads to work on in rotj, and while return of the jedi was a mixed bag it had the potential to be great, with tros it's shit if they do and shit if they don't
@raptortart990 4 жыл бұрын
@@ravenwhiteduck3158 Rian left Kylo Ren in a fantastic position, killed the mans who was using him and set him up to be the main villain in episode 9 only for JJ to go the fan service route and bring back Palpatine. Also Irvin Kershner wasn't behind empires story that was still Goerge Lucas.
@isaiahdavis9486 4 жыл бұрын
To be fair, in 7, JJ wrote Ryan into a corner. Ryan was forced to write off of the cliffhanger of Rey training with Luke, so Ryan tried to do his best to be creative. Irvin made (at least what I, and many others believe as) the best Star Wars movie, he had a lot more room for creativity. A New Hope was just called “Star Wars.” A sequel wasn’t the goal. A good movie was the goal, so a sequel just needed to be a good movie. I have my problems with TLJ, but Ryan tried to make a good movie, and I think he succeeded. I think there’s a difference between making a good movie and a good Star Wars movie, and I think TLJ is just an okay Star Wars movie. But in the words of Major Monogram from Phineas and Ferb, “I blame the internet.”
@ilikepigeons6101 4 жыл бұрын
Isaiah Davis %100 agree
@Pigness7 4 жыл бұрын
I think the mandalorian is so good because its literally just a western but in star wars and the people making it just want to have fun
@frankgraden3938 4 жыл бұрын
The Mandolorian embodies the spirit of star wars more than the Disney sequel did.
@dijonpsalm6938 4 жыл бұрын
Sadly it's kinda predictable.
@Jacob-ec6st 4 жыл бұрын
Give it time. “Fans” will find a reason to hate it.
@NanneEsqui13 4 жыл бұрын
@@Jacob-ec6st they already have, i asked one of them why he thought so and he called me a bench warmer. it was weird...
@Jacob-ec6st 4 жыл бұрын
@@NanneEsqui13 Sheesh. It's the unfortunate state of star wars that people will complain no matter what and bash something that another person enjoys instead of just focusing on what they enjoy.
@sillygoose2878 3 жыл бұрын
Love how people call the sequels unoriginal and then critiscize when Luke does something he has never done before
@megaultradamn 3 жыл бұрын
>Implying you can only be original if you're also stupid
@mementomori9189 3 жыл бұрын
My issue with new force powers for starwars characters is they can create problems with the preceeding trilogies. Like if rey can force heal, thats possible in this universe, why didnt luke just heal vadar in empire. Or better yet why did he even need the suit? Sheev could have healed him from his lava burns. I wanted the new triolgy to be original but not break continuity. There a a million examples of the new films doing this and thats why people are upset, with them i think. Another example is the use of the light speed as a weapon. Like that makes episodes 4,6, and 9 make no sense. Why couldnt they just do that to destroy the death stars?
@sillygoose2878 3 жыл бұрын
@@mementomori9189 the healing could be a specific ability for some Jedi, like not every sith can use lightning or not every Jedi can use mind tricks
@mementomori9189 3 жыл бұрын
@@sillygoose2878 what jedi cant do mind tricks? And which sith cant use lightning? Some jedi just so happen to have this new special ability that works perfectly to advance the plot. Gay.
@sillygoose2878 3 жыл бұрын
@@mementomori9189 oh I don’t know perhaps the two most iconic sith ever, maul and Vader
@TigerWing95 Жыл бұрын
I come back to this video at least once a month to laugh at the Skype-Choking joke.
@billybobthortenn4157 9 ай бұрын
Except it makes no sense. Vader was on the same ship as the person he was choking, mere meters away. Completely different than snoke being able to control things on a different vessel from who knows how far away
@JumpingJiraffe 4 жыл бұрын
Leia using the force to pull herself back to the ship wasn’t really a logical issue to me but rather it was just a really cheesy looking and stupid moment. I do like the movie for the most part but I just wanted to say my issues with that scene aren’t about “how I think the force should work”
@jonsimpson6240 4 жыл бұрын
For me it was the explosion first, The actual death of Carrie Fisher, the goofy way she brought herself back, the off screen and off hand way they killed ackbar, the way the shields were handwaved away.
@Zakon673 4 жыл бұрын
@@jonsimpson6240 Ackbar is kind of a fan favorite due to memes, but at the end of the day he's not really anyone of major importance. He was the admiral in the final battle in RotJ. That doesn't make him a nobody but I don't know if he necessarily earned a big dramatic death moment. If anything, I'd say the gut punch of how nonchalantly he was killed hammered in the horror of that scene. Without him being there, it would've just been a bunch of nameless admirals followed by the only character of note saving herself. Ackbar had just the right level of name recognition and plot relevance to kill off there and have that scene mean something.
@jonsimpson6240 4 жыл бұрын
@@Zakon673 I get You, but we found out he was on the bridge when we found out he died. A couple of lines beforehand would sell that gutpunch even more
@jonsimpson6240 4 жыл бұрын
@@Zakon673 I do think that any gut punch was undermined by Leia flying back in, and by the general nonsense of three light fighters being able to cripple a cruiser on their own. But maybe that us just me.
@parkerdavis7859 4 жыл бұрын
For me, I love that moment because of the score and how it means that Leia really did finally tapped into that power like Luke said she eventually would. I also understand the limitations of a 60 year old woman on wires, which I understand made it look cheesy to most.
@thebaker525 2 жыл бұрын
What a fascinating and nightmarish turn we’ve had. Where fan backlash to TLJ’s version of Luke as an actual character with Hamill being allowed to give a nuanced performance has been rejected in favor of a computer generated facsimile of the man that robs his face and voice to be used as a manifestation of Star Wars as safe and recognizable to a fanbase that fears anything that doesn’t cater directly to them.
@NoDi10 2 жыл бұрын
yea but hamill like his performances in the mandalorian and tbob whereas their is long compilations of him not liking the last jedi and sequels
@Martell364 2 жыл бұрын
@@NoDi10 Haven't you watched this very video? Mark Hamill took back the negative things he had said about The Last Jedi, instead praising the film and Rian Johnson.
@ofarra9588 2 жыл бұрын
Unnecesarry Fan Service *and* bad CGI?! Its the worst of both worlds!
@jon.... 2 жыл бұрын
Mark Hamill was “allowed” to have a more nuanced performance? Despite disagreeing with the choices for Luke’s character and being very vocal about it? Also maybe fans like it when their legacy characters don’t completely change for no reason. Like what excuse could you ever come up with for Luke even contemplating killing Kylo? It fundamentally does not make sense for Luke to do that after making a massive deal out of redeeming Vader simply because he was family and he could see the good in him. You guys seriously are fucking dumb.
@MrZackavelli 2 жыл бұрын
@@Martell364 Pft, it's easy to speak your mind and then just say "nevermind"; especially when Disney is practically pointing a gun at you to do so.
@machinedragonslair 3 жыл бұрын
I liked some of the ideas in TLJ but I think my main issues were the Finn and Rose side quest and the movie basically ending in the same place it began: with the Resistance having suffered heavy losses and fleeing the First Order.
@DmitriPolkovnik 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think that's a big deal since the movie was all about the characters and where they're at by the end. Ep V didn't have much change in terms of the broader conflict either but a lot happened to the characters.
@ed1rko17 2 жыл бұрын
That's not even remotely accurate. TFA ends with The Resistance achieving a massive victory and destroying the First Orders greatest weapon. Rey has discovered her force sensitivity, and Luke is found. Kylo Ren is going off to Snoke to complete his training. And both Rey and Kylo are mortal enemies. TLJ ends with the First Order winning, and the Resistance being completely wiped out. Snoke is dead and Kylo Ren is now the Supreme Leader of the galaxy. Rey and Kylo now have a really complicated relationship and have empathy for each other. Luke is dead, but he brought hope back to the galaxy with his actions, which was gone in his absence at the beginning of the movie. The entire power dynamic has shifted on both sides of the war and the spirit in the galaxy has totally changed. It's such a bizarre criticism. So much happens in TLJ, that many people criticized it for that, yet other people say nothing happened. It's like... what... Even JJ Abrams said in an interview that "a lot happens" in TLJ and he was the one who wrote the previous film.
@DanielFerreira-ez8qd 2 жыл бұрын
@HopesUp clearly you didn't watch the full video
@gyiuyhjggg 2 жыл бұрын
Finn and Roses side quest was one of the best parts of the movie. It shows another side of the galaxy, one where people are profiting off the war instead of suffering for it. It describes evil undertones to what can look like great things. And the top comment explains your other complaint
@dominoscatnip5922 Жыл бұрын
@Foc@sLoc@s What? He definitely touched on most of the major criticism
@mythosinfinite6736 4 жыл бұрын
Well, didn't expect this.
@MrLCGO 4 жыл бұрын
I had to double check the video.
@RomHam 4 жыл бұрын
It really subverted my expectations
@innegativeion 4 жыл бұрын
A surprise, but... the sort of surprise that I'm not totally dissatisfied with, to be sure.
@yainaya_ 4 жыл бұрын
Who gives a shit?
@sebas8225 4 жыл бұрын
My surprise is that now I think Rian´s a better movie director, may want to check Knives Out now.
@Teopengy96 4 жыл бұрын
“star wars isn’t science fiction” liked 👍🏻
@loxpower 4 жыл бұрын
Amen to that. It's 42 years I'm telling everyone it's a fantasy where people is accustomed to technology.
@emmanuelt.6046 4 жыл бұрын
Or it is just a combination of fantasy and science fiction. Do you really think that genres can't be combined?
@Jacob6443 4 жыл бұрын
@@emmanuelt.6046 They can but even then Star Wars is still firmly rooted in Fantasy. Science Fantasy is more like Doctor Who in my opinion.
@BrianHartman 4 жыл бұрын
I really don't get how people can mistake Star Wars for science fiction. It's _clearly_ fantasy. Science fantasy, maybe, but fantasy.
@brandonontama2415 4 жыл бұрын
That doesn't excuse plot holes.
@MrKimvidard 3 ай бұрын
This puts my feelings about this film, star wars and this fandom in the most perfect way. This felt good to see
@CerealBox64 4 жыл бұрын
This remains the best take on The Last Jedi, and probably always will be.
@kylemorello4787 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I've seen a ton of wonderful defenses of this film, but this is one of the best.
@ihatecorpsehusband7147 4 жыл бұрын
It’s honestly astonishing how well this guy articulates the beauty of this movie.
@kelp7060 3 жыл бұрын
@@ihatecorpsehusband7147 Okay, now watch the EFAP on it to see how insanely nonsensical this entire video is, because it is so bad it only further cements TLJ fans have to ignore reality to the extreme to make any sense out of that trash movie. There are timestamps in the comments. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m9d7dNiIud-Vgmg.html
@ihatecorpsehusband7147 3 жыл бұрын
@@kelp7060 that is a 6 hour unedited unfiltered podcast with three different members viewpoints being shared at once. I’d rather not.
@kelp7060 3 жыл бұрын
@@ihatecorpsehusband7147 I did say timestamps are in the comment section so you can skip to the topics you want hear, though I believe it's better to hear the whole thing. Especially when you said "It’s honestly astonishing how well this guy articulates the beauty of this movie" and it's so bloody wrong it's amazing. He just makes the same stupid defenses we've heard before.
@jamiel6169 4 жыл бұрын
Star Trek fan here... I remember watching TLJ, with my Trekkie partner, and walking out of the threatre feeling and hearing the hatred of the longtime fans around us. That didn't stop us from talking about TLJ for several hours afterwards. It had interesting things to delve into and held up on a second watching.
@succerberg84 4 жыл бұрын
Wow Star Trek fans enjoy Star Wars more than Star Wars fans do, ironic
@whyor3619 3 жыл бұрын
@@succerberg84 it does play out like 3 or 4 episodes of star trek happening simultaniously.
@Rihcterwilker 3 жыл бұрын
@@whyor3619 it actually does. That's the thing, Ryan Johnson is a very authoral director/writer, so this movie seems to be made as an stand-alone movie, one that is made to work by itself, and i can see how it could be an interesting watch, seeing it without caring about any baggage. What ruins it is that it was supposed to be the middle part of a trilogy, so, what happened before and what will happen later kind of matters, alot.
@murph8907 3 жыл бұрын
@@Rihcterwilker As a reply, I feel even trilogies of movies need to stand on their own enough, and really only use the plot that came before to tie them together. When done that way, you get much better storytelling cause you wrap up each movie and themes through the 3 act structure the correct way, while leaving it open enough for the next movie.
@luisrivera5476 3 жыл бұрын
@@succerberg84 yes we do. we like Star wars and we don't hate 70% of star trek stuff like other fandom cof cof
@WhiteMetalGames 4 жыл бұрын
Beyond a doubt, this is the greatest breakdown of The Last Jedi and the SW franchise overall I have ever seen. Thank you for putting this together. Man, I can't believe how many of your thoughts mirror my own. Thought I was the only one, lol. This video really made my day! Please keep making these videos!
@o...o4144 4 жыл бұрын
I know right? I have already seen a lot of good reviews about The Last Jedi (Film Joy is amazing) but this one feels like it was made for me. I agree with every single word Nerrel said
@titanium_rocket1505 4 жыл бұрын
@Kritzberg you can’t have bad reasoning for liking a film. Those people have no say in people’s opinions on films
@austinjohnsen4430 4 жыл бұрын
How? All this guy did was compile all the standard TLJ arguments other people have been saying for years. Palpatine didn’t get a backstory, therefore Snoke doesn’t need one. Empire would be hated if it came out today. People wanted Luke to be a super Jedi hero People missed the themes. Luke almost killed Vader, therefore almost killing Kylo makes complete sense, etc. Nothing groundbreaking or new was really said here. I also love how he leaves out the fact that a person exposed to the vacuum of space would be rendered unconscious in like 15 seconds, preventing them from saving themselves, but still making it possible for others to save them.
@vintheguy 4 жыл бұрын
My map said I wouldn't find another dumb fuck for a while But them thread is full of them
@titanium_rocket1505 4 жыл бұрын
@Kritzberg then why did they make a response to this video if they “don’t claim to have an influence?”
@Advent3546 3 жыл бұрын
7:42 FUNNY YOU SHOULD MENTION THAT!
@DylanWintersteen 3 жыл бұрын
Best star wars movie since Empire. fight me
@conic2721 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@andreiefectivuatafac1966 3 жыл бұрын
I prefer Force Awakens tho
@spyroG3 4 жыл бұрын
I still have trouble accepting that Anakin went to the Jedi heaven or whatever at the end of ROTJ after he killed children in ROTS.
@cyclone4273 4 жыл бұрын
Well the way I think of it is how Anakin or Vader are different, but the same. You see this in the original trilogy how Obi-Wan says Vader kills Anakin. Also how Vader refers to Anakin in the third person. At the end of the day in ROTJ he fulfilled his prophecy in both ways he made balance as Vader, but once it became to powerful Anakin ended it leading the way for the Jedi.
@xSilentZeroXx 4 жыл бұрын
I think it's best to measure people more on their intentions than on their deeds. Anakin finally re-awakened to justice, and upon doing so, he defeated the Emperor, and... died. Had he gone on to live, he likely would've dedicated himself to atoning for his crimes however he could, but because literally death itself stopped him, he couldn't keep walking down that path. But regardless, he used what bit of his life he had left trying to do the right thing, even when doing that right thing is precisely what got him killed. Deeds are important, but they are ultimately a reflection of your will.
@seanylewl 4 жыл бұрын
The mistake you are making is assuming that the Force allows force ghosts to be created based on how 'good' or 'bad' you were. There is no Heaven or Hell with the Force.
@Lazypackmule 4 жыл бұрын
@@seanylewl This Really, the biggest problem with it was him even knowing how to do that in the first place, when it was set up as a skill you needed to learn
@carson3888 4 жыл бұрын
seanylewl I know this backtracks on the video we just watched but wookiepedia has an article for force ghosts and there is a netherworld or some crap
@WiloPolis03 4 жыл бұрын
That Snoke imitation was so good that I actually thought it was a real clip, holy Johnson
@jacobhunter6891 3 жыл бұрын
24:00 What's really ironic is that the line "That's how we win. Not fighting what we hate, but saving what we love" was originally a quote from Irvin Kershner while filming Empire Strikes Back.
@thomasjeppesen3055 3 жыл бұрын
But there’s probably a reason why he didn’t put it into his movie.
@jacobhunter6891 3 жыл бұрын
@@thomasjeppesen3055 It wasn't in the script, Kershner was describing the fundamental difference between the Empire and Rebellion. It was from an interview, I think
@thomasjeppesen3055 3 жыл бұрын
@@jacobhunter6891 he still choose not to include a line like that in his movie. It’s not like every idea or explanation out of the mouth of a good writer or director is a good idea. Besides, learning that line also came from scrapped original source material really only adds to the argument that those who handled the sequels truly had no inspiration or idea what to do to progress the story.
@Caboose2711 2 жыл бұрын
Holy shit the gag with KZfaqrs complaining about Empire floored me, it's so spot on
@azzypoo 4 жыл бұрын
Holy shit, this is such a good review. It brought a lot of interesting points I haven’t heard before and brought up points I haven’t thought of. Well done. It was also super funny, so you got that going for you. Keep it up Nerrel, love your stuff.
@nixmilt3040 4 жыл бұрын
Joshua Fleming go check out cosmonaut variety hour’s review its pretty good to. It brings up some points that he missed and it’s pretty funny: saying you liked the last Jedi is scary these days
@tyrantsmisery 4 жыл бұрын
It's really not a good review though.
@CTOOFBOOGLE 4 жыл бұрын
Trigger Me6 I cannot imagine a bigger waste of time than listening to EFAP
@tyrantsmisery 4 жыл бұрын
@@CTOOFBOOGLE you cant imagine listening to something entertaining?
@CTOOFBOOGLE 4 жыл бұрын
Nicholas Quinton oh sure if you find it entertaining that’s fine, I’m just talking in terms of actual film critique and insight.
@MegaMetallicaMASTER 4 жыл бұрын
It feels good to finally hear all this laid out.. I left the cinema IN LOVE with the Last Jedi and slowly realised in the following weeks that I was in the minority.
@wolborg105 4 жыл бұрын
Darth Azog it literally makes u feel like you’re living in an alternate dimension the way some of these people talk about the film. TLJ rules and they can’t accept that the film questioned their ideas of fandom
@kanalkucker14 4 жыл бұрын
Then did you guys hated the other star wars movies then?
@MegaMetallicaMASTER 4 жыл бұрын
@@kanalkucker14 I personally love all of them, just because I love the last Jedi doesn't mean I have to hate something in return. I see the value and quality in all of them as separate films.
@rowni 4 жыл бұрын
I agree! I dont really care if people hated it or not. Just as long I know I had a good time watching it.
@kanalkucker14 4 жыл бұрын
Of course I don't forbid you to like the movie, this is not what critics of it want to do. I'm just curious since I feel TLJ is inferior to Prequels and Original Triology alike. So guys just tell me, do you feel VII and VIII have a good plot line? Has Rian Johnson followed up on VII well?
@TimTYT 4 жыл бұрын
I love this movie so much. It's kinda weird that the 9th Episode was never released though.
@jackhurds6157 3 жыл бұрын
I don't quite get why Star Wars 9 just didn't happen. Probably something weird with the production, but a little sad we'll never see it. Still, 8 is a fitting end to the series in its own right
@jakobhellyer2926 2 жыл бұрын
@@jackhurds6157 I’m kind of relieved it never released.
@AshyMuted 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's so weird that this is called the sequel trilogy when there are only two movies.
@nicolaridolfi6510 Жыл бұрын
Fun fact: some fan fiction writers tried to make an episode 9. It's called the Rise of Skywalker and it's hilariously awful
@texasjoehotdog1838 Жыл бұрын
Wow lots of toxic fans in this thread. You manbabies need a guide to TROS it seems
@Melkje 2 ай бұрын
this is the first TLJ video that actually made me want to go back to the movie again
@Noremac41 4 жыл бұрын
Great video! I fricken laughed out loud at 14:44 when Snoke said "we haven't even gotten to my qinceañera yet!" hahahaha
@SteebThe 4 жыл бұрын
Truly lives up to its name of "too late, who gives a shit?": a video about something I didn't care to see a video about but ended up appreciating it!
@norbertpaternoster 8 ай бұрын
Wow, this scene in 7:47 is exactly like ending of mandalorian season 2. Was it written before or after it came out? Cos either way you were right - that was exactly what those fans wanted
@HMMadsen 7 ай бұрын
This was written before. Mandalorian season 2 came out in late 2020, where as this video came out in december of 2019
@shlokwaghela9560 5 ай бұрын
I have genuinely had an argument with a guy who claimed The Last Jedi was the was the least successful Star Wars movie because it was too 'woke' and how it's ruining media... I don't even know man
@DensetsuVII 4 жыл бұрын
"Ugh another star wars video - youtube I know you think I still like star wars cuz of ONE video I saw once but I really don't ... wait this is from my subscriptions... NERREL?!" *clicks EDIT: By the way, this was the hands-down best video on Star Wars' new trilogy I've ever seen - somehow both engaging with the hate and coming out with a positive take. Nerrel your channel isn't getting ruined - it's going straight up to the stars.
@jco_sfm 4 жыл бұрын
I just realized that I'll get a bunch of star wars videos too now. Worth it.
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