About the whole BB not practicing TF and such. He went on the German costream after the series and talked about some more draft/ingame stuff. Some takeaways from that for anyone interested: - BB/G2 actually got bamboozled by MDK in game 1 draft and had to bandaid Caps onto TF mid draft. He also said in hindsight the Akali pick was not a good one as MDK had a lot of cc that game - He thought Myrwn actually played pretty good in game 1 but G2 just had better drafts after + Myrwn didn't seem to know how to play the matchups very well after that - He actually didn't expect to pick Gragas and only practiced it 1 day bc he thought Gragas might be pretty broken on this patch (especially on 3 items). Also Gragas is an oldschool Jayce counter. He didn't like the full AP topside but also didn't really have a good AD pick into Taliyah/Rell. And MDK didn't have that many tanky champs + the AP champs G2 had, were of the type that didn't care too much about MR (Lillia true dmg, Azir a lot of DPS). He then proposed it and team/Dylan gave the okay. - they knew MDK liked to play Senna so Hans and BB were constantly communicating in Game 2 and 3 if a swap was good/when to swap bc Senna doesn't have great push and you could even swap when not actually having prio in lane - Game 2 he said Myrwn played Gnar very well (in lane) and the only other person in LEC that can play Gnar that well in lane is probably Irrelevant - in his eyes MDK as a team doesn't pick meta but what is "good" in the sense of what makes sense at that moment in draft. (He gave the example of game 1 them picking 4 champs that are good against TF and him having to ask Caps to play TF for him). In that sense he thinks they are similar to G2 as in you have to think twice when drafting against them and they like to flex a lot. ...oh and his plan for the off-season is to fix the flat tire on his bike.

Btw Oscar broke his hand raging after a scrim. Dom confirmed it.

I honestly believe that the section where they talked about how this show came into being is why I love the concept of LFN. It's genuinely interesting people making the content they want to make without any of the handcuffs of suit and tie TV. I have never been able to put my finger on why I have watched almost all of Thorin's content over the years but I think he nailed it. None of it is artificial. It is organic, pure, and free of the shackles of fake television. Thank you very much for all the years of entertainment guys. You have, and continue to, be some of the best parts of my week.

Sometimes, it's adorable when Thorin defends Monte. You can tell they care for each other very much. I approve.

I was expecting them to dunk so hard on Riot for the 5 min black screen on the LEC stream

2:52:00 Faker did in fact play Master Yi Mid in 2015 Summer vs CJ 😉

Thorin's rant at the start is the perfect old man yells at cloud rant, and it's about that exact topic. Perfection.

I was waiting for this episode!! Thank you guys !!

Casual reminder that the only loss of g2 with caps in lec finals is from a team which they had 3-0 just a week prior in even more dominant fashion than bds. So i don't really agree with the bds didn't lose anything anyway in terms of winning finals. You never know how teams will respond and what bds learnt from that series. At the same time i don't think it's a disaster for them even if they lost some championship points. They've been a good team and can continue to grow. And i agree with striker benching adam, you gotta think about the long term profit instead of a team. You can't be giving a pass to players.

BLG lost 2/0 to IG tho 👀 in mid season While T1 lost 2/1 to GEN on literally the first game of the season. I don't think anyone of you is right tho because we won't be able to know if T1 is better than BLG or BLG is better until we see them in MSI

Love the bit about the realworld advice for the show. I mean sometimes I don't have the time to watch the whole video in one sitting, but I come back to it everytime I start it.

Maybe Coach Kim isn't a fraud, but we can't know for sure if he's good either. Yeah he won the LCK with Longzhu, but he was already on the team when they were bad in Spring. And then they became good because they added good players in Khan and Bdd to pair with their already good bot lane. That's it. He won with IG because he had TheShy, Rookie and JackeyLove. Everywhere else his teams were either bad or mediocre: DIG, Damwon (won Worlds without him), T1 (kept swapping player in and out), BLG (he had Weiwei, Zeka, Aiming and ppgod lol). And DRX only became good when he was kicked out, right before Worlds. But regardless, Mata is the one doing all the coaching for Gen.G, we can see him speaking nonstop in between games and after. The guy has the greatest brain ever in LoL and actually he's Challenger right now, has more LP than people like Keria and BeryL somehow.

I'm watching that SKT v OMG game from 2013 and it's so funny to me to be watching it because of Monte's comment then hear Riv mention Monte during the draft

The Book Mikyx was reading was 'The Inner Game of Tennis'. I have heard the same story from someone else who had the same pain. The brain is a weird thing

The statement last year winter champ didnt get qualified for MSI is wrong. G2 went to MSI because of Winter. Not because of Spring or something else. They probably would have as well with Championship Points but they could have been 10th in Spring and still would have gone. There was even the question raised, wether they should just send a budget roster to spring LEC and send the real roster bootcamping and scrimming in Korea to get competitive

The unfortunate truth about the very artful yelling at clouds segment is that the problem with the man yelling at the cloud is not whether the cloud deserves to be yelled at but rather what yelling at a cloud is going to accomplish. Yelling at the man yelling at the cloud is more likely to do something than yelling at the cloud.

I am pretty sure that last year it was also the case that both split winners would attend MSI unless the same team won twice. I distinctly remember that people thought MAD shot themselves in the foot by beating G2, because that meant they had to win the split (which people thought they couldn't do), while otherwise they just needed G2 to win it (which people thought was guaranteed)

I'm not the biggest Rekkles fan but I have watched quite a few T1 CL games with Caedrel and Rekkles is not even close to the reason they have a 3-6 record. The bot lane is easily the best part of that team. The top laner and jungler are huge griefers and Poby can either play well or run it down

Yo, which Wooloo were they talking about? Sounds like Monte was talking about the LCS Wooloo guy, and about mid-way throught the convo Thoorin switched to talking about LEC Wooloo.

I feel like it goes one of two ways with Adam, he either feels like he let his team down and attempts to change his behavior as Monte said. Or he realizes the team built as it is with JNX in his place has no chance to come in first, so it emboldens him and he continues to act as he does. Knowing the team is subpar without him.

1:46:35 well it has weak predictive power- generally the more powerful team will stay being powerful and will be more likely be more powerful alter and win alter

44:42 I hope you're right, but knowing how some people can react, I predict grudge (from Adam) not hope.

that KDF rant at 02:27:00 with a Wu-Tang beat background lmao i can see it

Thorin, you'd be surprised how many people are watching T1 Academy games. Caedrel plays a big role in that

Anytime Thorin does the Bane voice makes me fucking laugh, almost spit out my food. Banger episode

Being completely honest, this entire time, I did not know Wooloo existed and i thought "TheSheep Esports" was meant as a satirical nickname for TheScore Esports.

Monte, you said "I would like to believe that there is inherent truth or inherent power in certain forms of art and that it isn't all on the interpretation of the critic, [but a critic can make art via beautiful, compelling interpretation.]" Let's say a monkey with a typewriter is given an infinite amount of time and it creates the works of Shakespeare and some original, beautiful piece of literature. While that Shakespearean work might have some "inherent truth or inherent power" because those same words were written by a human with intention, do you think that the original piece of literature the monkeys created has some inherent truth as well? Does inherent truth necessarily come from the artist themselves? An interpreter of art might be closer to the inherent truth than the artist themselves, and I think this issue is what gave rise to postmodern approaches to criticism, like Barthe's. What do you think Meteos' response would be?

Does anyome know what was tbe MikyX’s book ? Around 14:50

First hour is straight fire

That ezreal support was actually kind of doing damage with the horizon focus for a support poking on the squishies later in the game. A more mobile zyra ward with the horizon focus Qs. The pick is definitely not good lol... The denial is more powerful i suppose depending on opponent vhampion pool. But also if lane had gone a bit better early it would have looked very much like the other double adc games that snowball. Kind of rooting for Knight and BLG to win worlds this time around. He's too good and needs a tick on his belt before the game dies 😂...

1:42:40 thorin just slicing through all the bullshit like a katana through ribbon just kills me sometimes 😂

I am the biggest Jun fan but in this last tf in game 5 he completely trolled. Not only he decided to put an useless ward and get chunked but also forgot to stay close to his adc and cleanse Mao ult. I do not think we can blame Noah for this situation at all. It is hard to see in the middle of the tf that Gwen is not actually blocking for you.

Monte and Thorin, before you yell at the clouds, please give us the TSM episode

Where can I find the Richard lewis call out of Thorin and Monti? I tried but couldn't 😢 I would like the content

My favourite time of the week

Dammit! I am the one person who got the Jjonak reference, lol!

I love this story from Monte @1:05:00

1:02:42 to some extent it’s not abt what u want but also what people actually need bc art sit. Just entertainment There is some collaboration and correlation

I love the phrase "you little scurrying rats".

Because I don't go on twitter or reddit I ask here: Does anyone know what happened to Cody Sun? I was browsing all the worlds on liquipedia to just freshen up my memory and I realized Cody Sun was a staple in NA at the time, with good LCS finishes as soon as he entered the league, went to worlds with 3 different teams and then was banished to TSM academy and disappeared. I'm no fan of the dude, but the more I go back and stumble across names, I am so surprised that many just fizzle out for no apparent reason.

Really wish these clouds would stop driving slow in the left lane

Its great they got a laundry detergent sponsor in a gaming space. Though, its sad they assume we gamers either shower or wash our clothes.

0:32 I mean it’s like do you care that much The whole point of the diss is that being older doesn’t make you more qualified- it can be quite the podpite actually, and it creates the phenomenon of old, bitter deluded people who can’t deal yelling at basically nothing in particular out of bitterness- The whole point is the cloud isn’t something powerful, it’s just some random thing, and they’re just yelling for yelling’s sake because they’re bitter about life, as opposed to having a well-shushed perpevetive

Didnt dom say that they gave up the chance to go to msi? Or is it just the top team that goes to msi?

Monte had a good point about blg with knight. Unfortunately he forgot that faker clap him clap all mids. As for now I would put them the same. As for bin vs Zeus there's no comparison Zeus is way better. If his team is winning sure he run it down for fun. But if his team is losing his 1v9 that game. Then theres gumma and keria elk is playing better then gumma. His been killed 2v2 a few times but he looks bored . As for keria even bigger gap then top lane. Not a t1 fan just pointing out what I see.

Thorin's pimp bit was so funny

"Maybe after that dad will come home"

01:41:00 isn't that what ya'll literally do regarding g2 in LEC? if they win they are the best, if they lose they are just fucking around and they'll get back to form during playoffs? ofc fans would say t1 is the best, they are fans just like you

So let's see if I have this straight. If a power ranking was done today, T1's loss (in week 1 of the split) to GenG means T1 is weaker than BLG, but BLG's loss to IG (in week 6) has no bearing on the discussion because "LPL fiesta"?

Thorin has been hyping his Reckles video for months now, I hope it comes out soon

This arc of Monte "I hate this KT to my core and I can't believe they are winning" is one of the most entertaining content in a while. If this KT roster is gonna win anything and not all other rosters that he liked videos of him fuming will be golden

1:43:10 damn Monty you really are on point😂😂😂

Funny they are all out on Oscarinin for the broken hand, but not so much on Soaz.

1:37:10 i thought the fuck up way you said was broken brain but it was actually more like broken braid but holy shit that will be a good insult towards broken blade if need be if nobodies called him that before "broken brain"

All the zoomer randos hating the Thorin/Monty synergy just shows they came for the Adam drama to the one place they knew were garanteed the truth, then proceeded to shittalk the podcast they have never seen. For us regular listeners to the podcast we are just waiting for Thorins' "rude" interruption on Montys "innecesarily long" explanation of his point. You can even watch when Monty has a real important point he just goes "wait a sec lemme finish this point" and thats about it. All is good for eveyrone, expect for the hater ofc, they be hatin

1:09:47 ‘Classical liberal’ as a meme is already forgotten Americans are especially confused by it because of teh American use of the term ‘liberal’ ‘Classical liberal’ was historically used by 2010s confused vaguely right ‘culture war’ figures; that doesn’t mark one evil, that’s a separate thing

Why does his tongue match his shirt?

The reason why we don't effectively already live in (a voluntary form of) communism is because neither the rich guy cares about the poor guy as much (or more) as he cares for himself nor does the poor guy care about the others enough to not ask "what about me" and keep slaving away enthusiastically Stalin’s form of communism is fine unless you think that people didn't want to build tanks and combat aircrafts for 16 hours a day every day for a loaf of bread or that getting killed by a famine is undesirable So voluntary communism would mean that humanity is evolving past limited identities of "individual", family, etc Government enforced communism means that everybody is a literal slave cause having more than someone else (read: anything), and that includes intelligence, means that you must've stolen it It is a beautiful concept but as a government ideology it misses the fact (sometimes intentionally) that sharing is many of times (not always) the opposite of what most people wanna do, especially when the sharing is taking place besides your will and goes through the middle man of a government that not only killed your whole family but also only cares about economic pie in as much as it's necessary to wage war (in a case of Stalin) or in as much as it allows them to skim as much as they can from the top to prolong their reign (and wage war (in the case of Putin)) Last but not least all socialism (government "charity") is also a beautiful concept but it's always about the same exact thing - the ability of the "government official" to take fruits of labor from the others and use them. . for his benefit It's interesting how communism doesn't get as much bad press despite having killed more people than probably any other ideology and how places like San Francisco are literally turning into postapocalyptic wasteland due to being high on the spectrum (sharing and caring wise) Good slogans but the idea that "big guy" will "take care" of you is not only very presumptuous - it also sounds kinda gay Big government is not just "good" or "bad" - it is insanely stupid

Monte has a good take on Communism

Great episode, guys!

For the communism part, beyond being a concept it is actually applied in a lot of structures in different passed and present societies. We just never seen it implemented on large scale nation states cause it implies democratizing the totality of society. Which is a difficult but interesting project. Nothing to do with the USSR though.

Ngl that ButtPounder420 question got me 😂

nuc is a really good player caps & humanoid already ranked him top 3

2:08:04 it’s a very famous meme tho

I'm so disillusioned from western league that drama is the only possible thing worth consuming. It's not G2 that's good, just the rest that are trash.

2:08:49 that’s almost eh ppsite

My favorite show!

Well, im pretty sure T1 shoots to first place after BLG just got stomped by ig 😂

1:00:59 Just leaving this here.

1:48:50 Well, its exactly reality which you’re always disputing- the whole point so you’re disputing what is or isn’t the reality, otherwise there’s be no point. Well that’s not quite it, SK psychology is it’s own thing- ‘fractured self’ between thee world and lurked

Remember in 2017 when Dardoch randomly got benched in playoffs for Omargod when CLG was super close to winning the split? The Adam situation seems oddly similar to that, except that in Dardoch's case, he legit didn't do anything, according to Aphromoo in Thorin's reflections

Thank you monte for cherrypicking your favourite T1 fan stupid comment ,and then shit on the whole T1 enjoyers , aka the biggest fandom in the entire of league , and thousands of them in the western scene that watched you casting their games ,

1:08:03 that’s not what ‘classical liberal’ means, that’s 2014 ass internet mdjbrow American conservatism is historically connected to ‘classical liberalism’ so-called; Political views are not ‘personality’. Having slight conservative cultural ‘messgaes’ isn’t positive or not

Hmm, why does it feel like they are trying to make drama about Wooloo where nothing was? Like, does it matter much if they label him as "leaker" or "journalist". Title itself shouldn't matter much, no?

They can't go 10 seconds into talking about LCK without going right to shitting on T1 fans. Ah yes, the great monolith that is the T1 fanbase, the largest fanbase in all of LoL. It must be so convenient to be able to completely dismiss any and all arguments from anyone in said fanbase on the basis of that fanbase's most insufferable loyalists being (surprise surprise) insufferable and insane. I wish I could say their opinions come from good faith sincerity like their disdain of TSM and FNC fans in years past, but it's so entirely clear to anyone that's kept up with Last Free Nation's content and overlapping discussions between shows that the near-constant, indignant dismissal of T1 fans is simply copy-pasting IWD's opinions into an otherwise empty vessel of a perspective. How about we try compartmentalizing the hating of the fans separately from the team itself, yeah? Let's not underrate the team just because a few dozen fans share their (at times, understandable) vitriol at the criticism of their favorite team. And let's certainly not arrogantly assume that every one of said fans is a fair-weather bandwagoner who hasn't even watched the rest of Faker's career. Just remember, if you respond to vitriol, with vitriol, you might as well have deserved the former response.

Be an esports personality -> complain about uninformed TSM, T1, spanish, french fans -> try to expand and comment on broader topics outside of your expertise -> arrive at bullshit like ''if somebody says the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the phew, that means killing people'' as if this wasn't allready a given principle throughout history and around the globe. Judging by Thorins level of ignorance i'm not even sure where to begin to explain: Free healthcare, education? Habeas Corpus? The basic f****** principle of democracy? This inhumane middle scool level philosophical dilettantism really kills my joy in listening to theese otherwise well made programs.

Wait, so if Monte went to school in Ireland.... does he speak fluent Irish?

blg gets exposed after the tierlist LULE

AND ANOTHER THING, MONTE, BY THE WAY, IN CASE YOU HAVEN'T NOTICED, I AM PHYSICALLY INCAPABLE OF ALLOWING YOU TO FINISH A THOUGHT WITHOUT CUTTING YOU OFF. NOW, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT? I'VE GOT AN ANALOGY FOR YOU, BY THE WAY........

Can Thorin let Monte finish a thought. Please. Thank you.

Monte you like the drama lmao noone said why T1 over BLG, they were saying why MAD is in the top 10 LMFAO why you want ot blame everything into T1 fans?.

34:31 😆 Fuckin hilarious

yes the standings of the lpl is accurate, as in they're trash.

monte is steve carrel from the big short, rn. betting on pyosic's downfall

does thorin drink vodka?

2:00:20 maybe in sc2 lol

2:19:52 that’s only what you consider ‘cool’, based on your rosomak prefenrces and language People have their own cosncienfe Apple is a more baller name

monte your argument of ignoring how blg was better than t1 since msi last year makes no sense. when you look at how strong a team is, you don't mainly go by historical records. you go by how strong they look currently and their most recent performance. by your logic, are we supposed to take into account how dominant t1 was in 2013, 2015, 2016 when ranking them in 2024?

Ending Winter 2nd instead of 3rd could be VERY important. If FNC next split finish 2nd and BDS 3rd, FNC would go to MSI. If BDS were 2nd this split, they would go. Please actually look at points and imagine hypothetical scenarios before saying it didn't matter.

Beryl denied playing at geng

2:36:18 both are cool tho, not shitty imo

Thorin we like you BECAUSE you are an old man yelling at clouds

I'm an hour in and I still don't know what Adam did cause Thorin wont STFU

First time viewer. God damn, Thorin is like a machinegun with endless bullets. Breathe dude, breathe. Let Monte do some talking.

Trash talking T1 😂 every year, it really don't get old🤣

yay

Wish thorin would let monte speak. I mean Jesus Christ dude. Interrupting him every 30 seconds to rant forever and ever.

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Honestly what a contradiction. To change topics every 10 mimutes is just controlled digressions.

Over the years I came to like thorin for his based takes. He cooks more then ramsey😂