The range on kara DP caught me so off guard that's just Tiger Teleport
@sleepyheaddaehypeels13512 жыл бұрын
Imagine Vanilla Sagat with something like a Dhalsim teleport...
@robertgeorge46022 жыл бұрын
Hi Big Yellow! Akuma's teleport has nothing on the Tiger Teleport.
@javiermoreno58982 жыл бұрын
He literally covers half the screen + on a 170 damage anti air, I remember him being good, but this is absurd
@chillidewd55822 жыл бұрын
@@javiermoreno5898 What's funny is that it's still in the later games, do not as potent.
@javiermoreno58982 жыл бұрын
@@chillidewd5582 he covers like a quarter, not fucking half and he does 160 no 170+ with multiple conversions
@flamingpaper77512 жыл бұрын
I can't believe they brought back my favorite character from SF2, Old Sagat
@Phantom0342 жыл бұрын
Capcom remade O. Sagat from Super Turbo in SF4 rofl
@Purlypurlington Жыл бұрын
Lmfao
@airthrowDBT Жыл бұрын
O. Sagat took way more skill.
@urmum9898 Жыл бұрын
@@airthrowDBT this just in, boomer says ST is harder than SFIV, crazy.
@airthrowDBT Жыл бұрын
@@urmum9898 Ok '09er
@MrMisfortune2 жыл бұрын
The giant gap from Vanilla Sagat and Vanilla Vega is just super fascinating to me. Imagine making Dan a bad joke character on purpose, shipping the game, and realizing Vega is worse somehow.
@chillidewd5582 Жыл бұрын
U know shit is bad when a literal joke character, made bad on purpose is somehow better.
@RoastedPheasant5 ай бұрын
@chillidewd5582 SF has a history of this tho. Just look at 3S. Sean is meant to be a jobber, but nowadays most people agree that Remy and ESPECIALLY Twelve are worse.
@joaquinbitancor12695 ай бұрын
@@RoastedPheasant really? Of Twelve i get but Remy? Like i know that hes bottom 3 with them 2 but at least he has some little competitive play
@littlemisseevee23092 ай бұрын
@@chillidewd5582reminds me of melee pichu who is better than a surprising number of characters
@Noahs_ChairАй бұрын
@@littlemisseevee2309This showcases the power of fundamentals and how much can carry a character being god awfull in every way (only pass some disasters but it's something).
@RisingJericho2 жыл бұрын
Sagat is both "You're dead when I get in" and "You won't get in" at once
@chillidewd55822 жыл бұрын
Choose your path: A. Get in. B. Keep your distance. What they lead to... Sagat: "So you have chosen death".
@Shad809 Жыл бұрын
“And even if you don’t get in…”
@SireForseti Жыл бұрын
umvc3 vergil
@alphanbuster92929 ай бұрын
Happy chaos vibes
@thecatastrophe1328 ай бұрын
Z-Broly
@jman20502 жыл бұрын
I find it interesting that it appeared like there would be some “secret sauce” that made vanilla Sagat as oppressive as he was, but in the end it really is just “he hits harder than everyone else by a lot.” It also speaks well for the balance team in this case, because they zeroed in on what the true problem was and fixed it. None of Super Sagat’s most oppressive tools were removed, they were just made far less rewarding across the board. And it turned out to be exactly enough to reel him in.
@Castrovalva92 жыл бұрын
God I needed this today. Bad Balance is a balm to the soul.
@vovancho2 жыл бұрын
So God (as auto captions call Sagat in this video)
@ChoseDeath2 жыл бұрын
Amen brother.
@thenerdyanarchist34922 жыл бұрын
It really is
@scrubbingdoubles85852 жыл бұрын
Jesus loves you
@nhall1292 жыл бұрын
Bars
@emilalexander82922 жыл бұрын
You could've gone a little more in-depth about the Tiger Knee, especially the EX version. An armor-breaking move that has great horizontal movement was extremely difficult for the cast to deal with. It simply removed the Focus Attack from the game when fighting the character. If you thought you could Focus absorb and dash through a Shot, you'd eat Knee instead. Good luck in neutral if the Sagat wanted to spam out an EX version at that. The main damage was also on the backend/2nd hit (changed in Super I believe). The armor break and the extremely good hitbox gave the corner pressure insane potential. Many characters could not jump out of the corner due to this, and you simply could not Focus after the standing light kick.
@Bafael2 жыл бұрын
I thought about talking more about this and I should have but in most of the footage I researched tiger knee was underperforming pretty hard. Because you're different widths when crouching or standing you get hit at different times by tiger knee, so sometimes what would have been a spaced tiger knee against a crouching opponent whiffs on a standing opponent, and what would have been a spaced tiger knee vs a standing opponent hits too early on a croucher and is minus. When a Sagat did something punishable which turned the game around for the opponent it was almost invariably a tiger knee. I should have talked about its anti air properties, armor break, and maybe even cross up knee tho, I was lacking in that section
@emilalexander82922 жыл бұрын
@@Bafael Hmm. Characters who didn't have good GTFO options were just trapped in the corner (e.g. Vanilla Gouken, and I'm sure all the 6-4 MUs). Tournament footage from Vanilla would probably only show characters like Ryu who could get out of the pressure. Either way, that meter build also allowed a ton of "free" uppercut > fadc use. Considering Vanilla, there wasn't the -5 nerf to uppercut fadc. Sagat got a ton of mileage from throws out of fear of eating uppercuts. Combined with all the power of armor breaking Knees, Sagat was just oppressive to deal with.
@Meow-ej8gk2 жыл бұрын
@@emilalexander8292 Its hard even for characters like Ryu who could low profile the knee. You cant really react to it and if you guess wrongly you eat tigers. Even if its negative on block there is always the threat of a yolo tiger uppercut and they can make it safe due to FADC. knee + threat of the dreaded trade uppercut into ultra really kills alot of the characters. Vega cant do anything to get out.
@flomperrr31052 жыл бұрын
Too long didn’t read can you explain in one sentence
@Bafael2 жыл бұрын
@@flomperrr3105 tiger knee go brrrr
@SawedOffLaser2 жыл бұрын
Vanilla Sagat feels like a boss character the devs forgot to make unplayable.
@GarkKahn Жыл бұрын
This was sf2 sagat with better graphics
@raccooncityhunk497 Жыл бұрын
"Sagat is basically always able to zone and outpace everyone while building meter. He also has tied 3rd highest health and over the top normals on top of the low/high projectiles." "Hmm he isn't as broken as I once thought." You've taken too many tiger knees to the face.
@awkwardcultism2 жыл бұрын
I loved the Vanguard Princess OST you had playing in this video! Your taste in music is amazing, I didn't think that many people had even heard of that game, let alone it's OST.
@Bafael2 жыл бұрын
Based description reader
@bunnybreaker Жыл бұрын
Vanguard Princess is a required game if you play fighting games on Steam.
@MaejXIV2 жыл бұрын
As a relatively new player of fighting games, I've heard about Vanilla Sagat many times but was never told much beyond his anti-air damage being absurd. This is a great video for us who weren't around to experience this version of the character. Keep up the great work, Baf!
@vapemomsdotcom2 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see a series dedicated to bad match ups
@mostverticalproductions48082 жыл бұрын
Would love to see one on true 0-10 MUs like Victor Vs Pyron in Night Warriors
@jdzl2 жыл бұрын
As a hawk player in sf4, the blanka matchup would give me a stroke every time.
@noless2 жыл бұрын
@@jdzl Oh yeah. Wasn't that like an 8-2 matchup or something horrible like that? It just went under most peoples radar.
@jdzl2 жыл бұрын
@@noless yeah, it was a nightmare. Especially online. Couldn't punish blanka ball, and even up ball was tough to get anything significant.
@TempestDacine2 жыл бұрын
Haggar w/o teammates in mvc3
@OccuredJakub122 жыл бұрын
Whether you're a SFII or SFIV player, the words "Vanilla Sagat" will make you tremble with fear...
@refreshinglemonade34262 жыл бұрын
Funnily enough the sf1 community also considers Sagat to be top 3 minimum
@OccuredJakub122 жыл бұрын
@@refreshinglemonade3426 "the SFI community" Tf are you smoking dawg?
@refreshinglemonade34262 жыл бұрын
@@OccuredJakub12 they modded the game to make the NPCs playable and turned sf1 into a discord fighter
@OccuredJakub122 жыл бұрын
@@refreshinglemonade3426 oooooh, I think I saw that. Wasn't it a Mugen game?
@chillidewd55822 жыл бұрын
@@OccuredJakub12 Let's not even forget cvs players.
@HatsonFGC2 жыл бұрын
Good video, but one suggestion: Maybe when you're making a point about hitboxes / hurtboxes, you can show them by running FrameTrapped 3 for that recording section. It would make for better visual examples with some slow-mo / freeze frames, so the viewers can properly appreciate what you're talking about. I know not every viewer knows how hitboxes work, but for those that do, having brief visual display of your point would help. I ended up booting SF4 with Frametrapped 3 just to see if there was any actual difference between the hitboxes of his Vanilla and USF4. Stand HK is exactly the same hitboxes. However f+HK hitbox got nerfed a little bit since Vanilla. Diagonal jump MP hitbox was also nerfed.
@user-wy1et9dk9w2 жыл бұрын
Good suggestion. While I perfectly understood what he was saying, a visual representation may be helpful to those that don't know fighting games as intricately (why watch bad balance if so, amirite?) but would also just be fun to see how busted they are lol
@robertgeorge46022 жыл бұрын
That thumbnail alone deserve a like Baf. And its about time we talk about this beast. When looking at all 6 version of SF4 (vanilla, super, AE, AE 2012, Ultra, and Omega), Vanilla Sagat is def top 10. Mostly because he fireball spams like O sagat, has 1100 health and stun, and hits like a freight train. Also, there is a vid of Bonchan Vanilla Sagat vs AE Kaz Yun. In general, I love edition select and pray more fighting games do this. It gives you so many options to play the game and if you don't like how a balance patch affected your character, you can always go back to the previous version.
@Infernal_Puppet2 жыл бұрын
You could have mentioned that Sagat also had access to the unblockable Ultra glitch (where the fireball hits during the ultra flash) discovered late in the game. Didn’t affect us much as super came a couple of months later, but I imagine it would have been abused in Japan until AE. Definitely consider the glitch if you do a Seth video as it was mega cheap with him.
@Bafael2 жыл бұрын
I thought about mentioning it but chose not to. IIRC if you weren't blocking pre-freeze they were blockable and I think Sagat had to fireball fadc and have precise screen positions for a lot of his setups
@GigaHands2 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see a Bad Balance on Zangief, if for no other reason than it's rare for a slow, big-body grappler to be on that end of poor balance.
@Neogears13122 жыл бұрын
no its pretty common, just for the opposite reason as sagat.
@leaffinite20012 жыл бұрын
@@Neogears1312 i think thats what "on that end of" means
@merkyofaycemfx29442 жыл бұрын
Coincidentally, Zangief shot up to almost S tier with the inclusion of RFC.
@chillidewd55822 жыл бұрын
@@merkyofaycemfx2944 Vainilla Gief was crazy strong, but what's funny is that his worse wasn't Dhalsim this time, but Seth.
@merkyofaycemfx29442 жыл бұрын
@@chillidewd5582 I'd be inclined to agree, but I cannot award Vanilla Gief the rank of S tier due to him being completely obliterated by Seth. None of the other S tiers in Vanilla had such a lopsided matchup against them in that regard, and went mostly even against other top tiers with a few exceptions, but nowhere near as bad as 9-1.
@LordRobbyshin2 жыл бұрын
An analysis on how bad/mediocre characters improved over the years could be good. Like, for example you said that Sakura was pretty bad in Vanilla, but if I recall she was pretty good in later versions. Was it just her Ultra 2, or did other things change? Could be an interesting topic.
@MuiltiLightRider2 жыл бұрын
It was mostly that other top tiers got nerfed and Sakura's setplay and vortex got mapped out. She did get some buffs from Vanilla but people didn't understand how to play the game just yet so they didn't realize how potent setplay was. Hence why many people say that either Vanilla Seth or Akuma would've ended up being the best had Vanilla gone on being played
@merkyofaycemfx29442 жыл бұрын
@@MuiltiLightRider Sakura *did* see buffs in every version of the game. Her frame data outside of EX hurricane kick was poor, her non EX hurricane kick oki was vastly improved, and they also gave her otoshi 2nd hit after EX hurricane kick impressive frame data. Also her damage values were redistributed to increase her damage output and stun values. Her Ultra 2 was the icing on the cake. The top tiers being nerfed had little impact. Akuma, Balrog, Seth and Viper remained strong characters for the lifespan of the game. Her poor frame data and low ish return on her mixup made her redundant. If you wanted vortex, play Viper, Akuma, or Seth. If you wanted damage, play virtually any other non charge character or Balrog. Her buffs gave her a place in the game.
@N00BSYBORG2 жыл бұрын
The mass exodus of Sagat players from Vanilla to Super will never not be funny to me. All they did was make him fair and it was like Sagat got Stalin'd out of history.
@xcaluhbration Жыл бұрын
Same will happen to Deejay in SF6
@deepfriedchocobo Жыл бұрын
@@xcaluhbration 7 of top 8 at CEO played Juri so I think she deserves a little more inspection lol
@Jfrost9101 Жыл бұрын
@@xcaluhbrationEven funnier considering he's not even best in the game atm
@cymandeh2 жыл бұрын
over 7 ft tall, super long reach, able to leap in the air extremely high for an uppercut and the absolute best kickboxer in the world The dude is a monster and many don't stand a chance against him!!
@LordRobbyshin2 жыл бұрын
And he could throw fire out of his hands
@haughtygarbage58482 жыл бұрын
You don't know how much I Tiger Kneeded this today
@Christian-ew9ci2 жыл бұрын
Jeez, losing to Ryu must have really motivated Sagat to get stronger!
@Anomaly1882 жыл бұрын
Irony is SFIV takes place chronologically after Alpha 3 and SF2, when Sagat encountered Dan and intentionally took a dive during their fight after he saw how Dan's desire for vengeance against Sagat was consuming him and realized he was in danger of falling down the same destructive path. SFIV is supposed to be the start of Sagat's redemption as he leaves Shadowloo and relearns how to be an honorable fighter in it for the spirit of competition. Before this he was motivated purely by vanity and soothing his damaged ego after Ryu scarred him.
@InfernoCleric3842 жыл бұрын
BTW, Sagat had basically already left Shadaloo by SF2. Funnily enough, I don't think Sagat was that strong in A2 or A3. Projectiles losing damage from distance in A3 was probably a factor, but Sagat felt so unthreatening compared to SF2's O. Sagat and SF4. Then again, maybe it is lore-tied; in the Street Fighter universe, fighters motivated by blind rage tend to not do well in fights.
@jaiden34732 жыл бұрын
@@InfernoCleric384 evil ryu?
@InfernoCleric3842 жыл бұрын
@@jaiden3473 Non-canon lmao
@jaiden34732 жыл бұрын
@@InfernoCleric384 akuma?
@GlowingOrangeOoze2 жыл бұрын
Yeah videos detailing extremely unfair matchups sound like a lot of fun.
@AramesiaToken2 жыл бұрын
The wait was long but worth it. I'll enjoy every second of this
@fogblades68112 жыл бұрын
Damn, I didn't know that Sagat's EX Shot blended in with his normal Shot lmao
@TheEvilCheesecake2 жыл бұрын
Many characters have very different voice lines for ex moves for this very reason. You'll hear the different sound and know to react differently.
@fogblades68112 жыл бұрын
@@TheEvilCheesecake sure, but even reactions can only get you so far.
@eagerinspirit2 жыл бұрын
@@fogblades6811 well you do react faster to sounds than sight so it's not that bad
@PLATINUM_Rook Жыл бұрын
@@eagerinspirit Yup, that's why most overheads in fighting games tend to be really quiet, specifically to make them harder to react to.
@Teebs19962 жыл бұрын
Dig the content and dig the video. These movies are really a form of preservation. There's tons of nuances in SF4 that are in risk of being lost to time somehow, so it's awesome having someone as calm and educated as yourself describing them.
@Zarock012 жыл бұрын
The worst problem with Vanilla Sagat was mainly his high damage and how easy it was for him to land it. Once he has Ultra and enough for a focus cancel, you enter "one combo death" zone as soon as your health goes under 70%. I recall so many competitive matches (Tougeki, Nakano TRF etc) back in the days where every other rounds would end with tigger uppercut FADC high kick ultra and the commentators always saying "it's over" as soon as the tigger uppercut hits.
@abyoyo2 жыл бұрын
I love your Bad Balance series so much. It's really cool to get a breakdown about what made them busted. The fact that other characters lacking tools being a big part of what made him strong was something I didn't know!
@jugohayashi23892 жыл бұрын
Really nice analysis! I've never played SFIV, but I understood everything you said.
@CaptinSpyke2 жыл бұрын
I've been down bad for some Bad Balance, so this is a welcome sight before I go to bed
@mostverticalproductions48082 жыл бұрын
I remember seeing from Error1 years ago that Sagat's super can infinitely loop into itself. Impractical and he's had it in every version of SF4, but still super weird. I think it's the only one.
@LordRobbyshin2 жыл бұрын
Gen can do that as well I think
@Gigadriller2 жыл бұрын
Dudley can do It too
@GemmaBee142 жыл бұрын
“Impractical” I mean. That’s one word for it
@thecatastrophe132 Жыл бұрын
Dhalsim can, plus his ultra
@SamOliver42 жыл бұрын
It's extremely interesting to me, especially since you did a Bad Balance video on him, that fucking **Dee Jay** is the highest-ranked SSFIV character out of just the newcomers specifically. It's also really funny that, even though returning veterans appear to benefit a great deal (perhaps vs. just Sagat specifically) from having anti-fireball U2's, the relative benefit they serve for newcomers to Super don't seem to be nearly as high, seeing as all of them are low-mid tiers or worse.
@MugfulofTekken2 жыл бұрын
Great drop, thanks B-Man.
@co813852 жыл бұрын
Yes! I've been looking forward to this one! EDIT/UPDATE: So I just now got to watch the whole video. I think that you did an excellent job of breaking down Sagat for not just Vanilla SF4, but for, more or less, the entire SF4 series. Your comments also seem to support what I had always felt: it wasn't so much that Vanilla Sagat was "broken", but that he was a very, very strong character in a game that did not have a lot of other strong characters. I also felt that his biggest problem area was just how screwed up his damage input and output was compared to the rest of the cast. I felt that normalizing his damage input and output would have normalized him, even if all of his other tools stayed relatively the same, I feel that Super Sagat kind of demonstrated that.
@miamisigma38882 жыл бұрын
Awesome stuff man. Always great to watch a video like this.
@sidneydykes71902 жыл бұрын
I love that Vanilla Cone Sagan mod.
@blagd2 жыл бұрын
IIRC I think SF4 was the game that introduced me to your content (or maybe SoulCalibur) but either way it makes me genuinely happy and nostalgic seeing you still put out quality content for this game all these years later. Something about it just brings me back to a more simpler time, thanks!
@satsuinotanden2 жыл бұрын
Great vid man, Sagat is one of my all time favorite characters and to see his vanilla version explored in depth as to why he was so strong in the original cut of the game made for an entertaining watch during my lunch. I knew his damage was busted but to see everything else brought into perspective is great. Cheers Bafael
@KeijiLivesOn2 жыл бұрын
Really fun and insightful as always Baf. I think a quick vid talking about the hilarious Hugo v Sagat matchup would be fun. Gief and Thawk have better tools to deal with fireballs than Hugo
@treese_ Жыл бұрын
Can't wait for this series to come back, I've been playing Seth in SFV lately and I'm interested to hear what their SFIV counterpart was like.
@SeagullCrush2 жыл бұрын
This videos are so good, thank you for all the time that you put into them! Seeing as you mentioned them, I’d love to see match up videos
@Lu_Kitsuray2 жыл бұрын
This made my day, I was so looking forward to another episode of this series~
@keorinkoluexl6365 Жыл бұрын
This kind of FG content is literal crack, i could listen to breakdowns of extremely strong or weak characters for hours
@kuma65722 жыл бұрын
The day of fate has finally come.
@chillidewd55822 жыл бұрын
Turns out it wasn't Sagat who was too strong(do he still was a bit) It's that everyone around him couldn't deal with him at the time. Like putting a professional muay thai martial artist against some street punks that barely know how to throw a punch.
@vovancho Жыл бұрын
Oh yeah... Street punks...
@tfwnocatgirlgf2 жыл бұрын
these videos are always so interesting to listen through. cheers for making them
@krowe59112 жыл бұрын
Would you ever consider doing a bad balance on third strike itself? You've mentioned a lot of times that the game has poor balance, and I think it'd be really interesting to see you talk about the game's balance as a whole, rather than examining specific topics in a vacuum. For example: Universal mechanics benefitting some character more than others, uneven distribution of good supers, and viability being determined by how well you fight Chun Li, Yun, and Ken.
@MiscFightVids2 жыл бұрын
You missed the fact that his ex fireball put the opponent in a float state on the second hit. So in a fireball fight, he could easily juggle a second non ex fireball from full screen when the ex fireball cleared an opponent's regular fireball. Other characters did not have this luxury and would need to spend bar to accomplish this while still inflicting less damage than Sagat.
@Bafael2 жыл бұрын
True, regular fireball had jp1 in vanilla and lost it in super, i definitely should have brought this up
@justingoers2 жыл бұрын
My favorite fighting game videos on yourtube are Bafael's Bad Balance series.
@CoreyDirger2 жыл бұрын
These are my favorite videos and I look forward to watching this 10 times
@cammyplayer2 жыл бұрын
Did anyone ever got around to do version select tournaments? I wonder how vanilla Sagat would fare against buffed characters and new characters, like the twins. My first impression is that AE Yun would be king of that tournament scene and maybe some players would make vanilla Sagat work
@Bafael2 жыл бұрын
After the labbing I did I think AE yun is probably the king overall of the game. Or maybe Vanilla Akuma IDK.
@omega17ds2 жыл бұрын
Lookup the match between Bonchan and Kazunoko, Vanilla Sagat vs AE Yun. Everyone was hype, but Bonchan doninated him.
@omega17ds2 жыл бұрын
Actually, here's the link: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hdKYqcWo0L3YeIE.html
@frankwest98922 жыл бұрын
@@omega17ds I think sagat beats yun with his ability to control the space yun needs to dive kicks and Sagats's fireballs stuffing the rush punch. Yun still might be a better character overall though, I'm not sure.
@robertgeorge46022 жыл бұрын
This is something Ive always wanted to see with people who are way better than me. AE Yun is def top 5 of Edition Select, but Vanilla Akuma, Vanilla Sagat, AE Fei, and maybe Omega Honda or E ryu would give Yun a hard time.
@remusbarham51812 жыл бұрын
So glad to see some more bad balance! Continue making awesome content Baf
@sirjeanpepper24922 жыл бұрын
SaGot that big damage
@nickclinton51472 жыл бұрын
Thank you for continuing this series.
@Micha-Hil2 жыл бұрын
bafael awakens to grant us the greatest episode of the greatest sf series to ever exist
@SHINSUSPECT012 жыл бұрын
The answer is yes. Just watched this with cup of coffee and I went back to 2010. Looking forward to more.
@slurpjuicington2 жыл бұрын
I would be interested in a video about vanilla Seth. Great video!
@Meow-ej8gk2 жыл бұрын
Off the top of my head, some reasons why i hate fighting sagat way back in vanilla sf4. Has the best fireball game, back than guile sonicboom had a longer charge time. Insane damage off tiger uppercut, it having lower invincible frame make it worst as it will trade into ultra. couple with his fireball gameplay this is something most of the cast cant deal with back than. safe knee pressure which deal insane chip damage, and the second hit does more damage making it in his favor if you decide to challenge it. this combine with his tiger uppercut and threat of ultra is really not fun. most characters in vanilla simply cannot deal with his far Hk and knee pressure. Abel, zangief and honda comes to mind. His insane damage make it so that even his worst matchup akuma die in 2 combos. most of the matches ended in you eating 2 tiger uppercuts, 2 knees and a trade uppercut into ultra.
@reperfan42 жыл бұрын
IIRC Gouken was the only character with a fireball fast enough to match Sagat in fireball spamming speed. In fact since the low Tiger Shot was slightly slower it meant if the Sagat player was mixing them up rather than just throwing high Tiger Shots then Gouken would actually start pulling ahead. The problem was that Gouken's EX fireball wasn't a double-hit so Sagat could still push back in the spam by using his own EX ones.
@chillidewd55822 жыл бұрын
@@reperfan4 Yeah, I honestly think Gouken's Ex fireball is pretty bad, it's not a 2 hit fireball, not even two fireballs thrown foward like dee jay, it's 1 foward and 1 diagonal, which is pretty awful for fireball wars. Sure, you can charge it to make it 2 hits, but you can already do that meterless, so why spend the bar? It IS possible to shut down 2 hit fireballs on a specific timing, but good luck with that, might as well attempt an ex goshoha for a combo.
@LightsJusticeZ Жыл бұрын
Two weeks after SF4 launched, my local GameStop was holding a SF4 tournament. I looked who was the most broken character at the time and already Sagat was labeled S tier so I got to work practicing. Came out 3rd, but it was my first SF game and only got that far due to A) how broken Sagat was B) the other players also didn't play much SF4. The top 2 were ones who definitely played before and swept the floor in their matchups lol.
@pastorofmuppets93462 жыл бұрын
Insane how broken this game was, even later on all the unavoidable setups, unreactable overheads, etc
@zegreenemachine81602 жыл бұрын
And SF4 is now considered one of the Great SF games, right?
@pastorofmuppets93462 жыл бұрын
@@zegreenemachine8160 it is probably the most fun one to watch but id never play it myself
@zegreenemachine81602 жыл бұрын
@@pastorofmuppets9346 bro, that’s what I Say about SSBM. \
@noboty41682 жыл бұрын
Always nice to learn more about games of yore. Hope to see you cover sfv when sf6 comes out.
@blitz77652 жыл бұрын
I've been waiting for years for this video
@yoojmemba57692 жыл бұрын
WAKE UP NEW BAD BALANCE DROPPED
@babafrog18772 жыл бұрын
Ayo, was just rewatching your bad balance series and was wondering about Sagat
@kurisechan882 жыл бұрын
Great video, thank you for the content
@immortalmachine58392 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the content, I look forward to every single one of these
@elmo37662 жыл бұрын
HERE IT IS FOLKS, THE MOMENT WE'VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR! Amazing video btw, I just didnt want to say that before I watched it
@OscarJerico2 жыл бұрын
I just realized his character icon in the HUD doesn't have the magic eyepatch™. Nice detail.
@eoeaoe12e2 жыл бұрын
I'd really love it if you could make ''History of [insert character]'', where you briefly touch on characters and how they performed in different games and versions of games. Emphasis on ''briefly''; you wouldn't go as much in depth, because the video would be like 5-6 hours. TUDG's Mortal Kombat videos on characters is an example, where he touches on characters like Reptile and how they were in different games or different versions of games. An example would be talking about SF2 Sagat (Old and New/Nerfed) and then Alpha Sagat, CvS, so on and so forth. A series of videos like this would be EXTREMELY interesting and fun.
@SUMDUMMEH2 жыл бұрын
I dont have any constructive criticism unfortunately.. as a new SFV player this video did a great job of explaining every single interaction and how it favored sagat. Solid job man, well done. Fun to watch too
@theloquenderoz1002 жыл бұрын
Bad balance is the best series. Please Keep doing them
@coleburns3622 жыл бұрын
I love these videos, please keep going! And if you're looking to buff your vids, I think a lil background music would be a really nice addition to help fill out the soundscape, I think it would help viewers to zone into what you're saying by keeping the back of their mind occupied so they're focused on your words. But regardless, I look forward to the next!
@FightinCow10 ай бұрын
As someone who enjoys watching fighting games but sucks too much to play then and actually deep dive into the games i greatly appreciate this series
@iamthereddemon202 жыл бұрын
Ayy been waiting for this one since you mentioned it in the Yun episode
@giovanniprovost2 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah love these!
@playapiano6662 жыл бұрын
Yoooooo, we've been waiting so long for this one! Thanks Baf.
@TheBlueFerretProject7 ай бұрын
Best character breakdown videos on KZfaq without question.
@calvinthistle20102 жыл бұрын
HELL YEAH, NEW BAF UPLOAD!!!!!!
@Brokout2 жыл бұрын
Please more SF4 content, the game is just so fun for how varied and strange some of the characters and design ideas were.
@leebaguetteo96072 жыл бұрын
never played sf4 but ive seen all of these bad balance videos. Its a testament to how well you script them to be accessible and informative.
@mwryly2 жыл бұрын
Been always looking forward to this series. Off topic tho, it's really weird now to see non counter light buttons linking to medium, especially the kicks
@Kakuchopurei2 жыл бұрын
Yay, always looking forward to these!
@GahmehWoot2 жыл бұрын
That thumbnail picture already deserves the like. Awesome video.
@philsose48442 жыл бұрын
here at 11:23 pm lets go
@nebiyuesayas56002 жыл бұрын
Sagat is literally the fighting game example of why 5'11 vs 6'0 does matter. (Also, as someone still learning about fighting games, Bad Balance is genuinely refreshing for the soul. Well done Baf).
@bryanleeyf872 жыл бұрын
Also a prime example of why weight classes exist in combat sports. No way in hell Rey Mysterio would live in a 1 on 1 fight against Big Show.
@PrinMasterGeneral2 жыл бұрын
I was waiting for this.
@Toomnyusernae2 жыл бұрын
One thing I had not known for years was that all of Sagat's tiger uppercuts on the ground did the same damage. But when they were anti-airs the damage output was rather different.
@Bloodlyshiva2 жыл бұрын
'Boss privileges'. Sagat used to be a final boss, then a sub-boss. His kit reflects this, and of course does not change much.
@BiriBiri925 Жыл бұрын
I remember reading in a magazine in 2008 that Sagat was incredibly overpowered. Too strong. And I didn’t understand what it was about, damn, this game was very deep and difficult to master.
@slimballs96502 жыл бұрын
"This ice cream with arms is saying, 'You are not a [true] warrior, you are a beginner!'" Oh man I loved that video!
@Merknilash19 күн бұрын
The algorithm took me here I just want to say I'm glad to see people talk about stuff like this. Back in 2008-2009 people were saying its totally fine and that Sagats insane OPness was nbd I didn't enjoy it at all, playing online into
@leonardovalente97722 жыл бұрын
new bafael upload 🙏
@aero97102 жыл бұрын
new bafkino just dropped
@vengefulmage90642 жыл бұрын
You are the person to get me into SF, even if the character I went on to main was total mid tier trash. This series was big on cluing me into just how deep the SF rabbithole goes
@PLATINUM_Rook Жыл бұрын
Mid tier isn't trash, y'know.
@vengefulmage9064 Жыл бұрын
When the Character is Alex in SF3, he is the very definition of Trash Mid
@SethKasso2 жыл бұрын
Return of the king
@dielabtec78822 жыл бұрын
This was awesome.
@BBGunRenegade2 жыл бұрын
I've been waiting for this for so long
@MetalMusicMan2 жыл бұрын
I love this seriiiiiiiies
@blazikeaton74782 жыл бұрын
id love to see a gief video covering grappler matchups would also be super interesting