hehehe, that he will.

Starting with the 3 guys who disliked this video ;)

Fujioka-san is still alive.

Sadly yes. The West was only interested in the pop culture PlayStation with its 3D and many shitty 3D games from western developers. Looking back at many of those games now is painful while playing stiff like this still feels fresh.

Yeah, sadly the Saturn was doomed from the start but even I wonder to this day how things would have turned out had policies been different and more games made it out of Japan. Sony would have still dominated but it would not have been such a massacre. I have stated multiple times that 85% of my Saturn collection are imports and for good reason: the games were great and a lot had English options even though they were never intended to sell outside of Japan. Take the RPG Shadows of the Tusk, you can play the entire game without difficulty as all the battle and menu options are in English! Wild stuff.

Oh wow, Shadows of the Tusk. Did you get the playing cards with your version? I haven't played that game in almost 20 years. I remember it being pretty good.

Yes, I have it complete in box and the playing cards are still sealed and have not been opened.

DejaVoodooDoll wow... compared a lot to Nintendo games, guess we know how you lean ;) All kidding aside though I actually got my Saturn back in the day up in Minot ND of all places. The store had X-Men vs SF, Samurai Showdown 3-4 Collection, and Deep Fear but no one was buying it because you would need a modchip or converter which was clearly displayed so they would not get angry returns when it would not work. When my parents went to buy me a Saturn for Christmas 1997 the owner had bought an ST-KEY 4 MB to throw in for whoever would buy the games just to get rid of them, he even threw in the Virtua Stick (arcade fight stick) just to get rid of the stock as the Saturn was dead here in the States already. Total cost for Saturn, 4 MB RAM converter, games and stick? $120. While the midwest may have gotten imports around this time it didn't meant they would always sell. Hell, I remember the hassle I had to go through to import an N64 before it launched in Japan.

I agree. It's funny how PS owners get sore when a Saturn version of a game is vastly superior :p Saturn may lack on the 3D games but it kicks ass when it comes to 2D.

Cheers Otero Studios. I think this one may upset a few PlaySation fanboys though. Not that I care too much :p

Thanks for watching, A War

Thanks man. It's good to see the Saturn being the winning platform every now and then.

Retro Core it’s so damn amazing to see how arcade perfect the Saturn version was lol like everytime I play it on my Saturn I Just sit on back and watch the intro and think wow absolutely no loading time pixel arcade perfect in all its CPS2 glory like omg ❤️❤️❤️

I think Capcom made the right move to remove him from the western release. He's a crappy character anyway :)

Yes, there are 4 hidden characters in total in this game from what I remember.

Hehe, it sure is. A trully half arsed port.

I do like Dan. We all know he was Capcom's answer to SNK characters yet even though he was a joke Capcom kept him around.

Hi John. Wow, there's a few Colombian viewers now. I'm happy that you like the count down timer. I think it's a good addition to show how long loading can be when it actually effects a game such as a VS fighter. I'll be using it more in the future.

The PS1 might have been the King of the Hill back in the mid 90s but that doesn't mean that it was unbeatable, as Capcom proved with the ports of their fighting games. Sadly, there were too many factors that piled up and condemned the Saturn to its untimely demise. Still, it's great to see that it wasn't the humongous failure that pretty much everyone think it was. Greetings from yet another Colombian dude, Mark. Great content and great channel.

Just be careful there Retro Core when it comes to a Neo Geo CD port, that timer is gonna be running for a while ;)

Yes, it does.

It does and just like he stated in the video it has zero loading times, something that impresses me to this day. I was already impressed by how fast XMen vs Street Fighter was since I got it back in 1997 but when I finally got my copy of this game earlier this year I had heard rumors. It's one of the two games I show off for how fast retro games could load vs even new games we have today, blows my mind.

hehe, classic!

Yeah, I used to be all in to the beat'em ups but these days they're either perverted girly crap or way too complex.

That was complicated too but it spit u in the face. Today games grab you by the hand and we are all winners...

Yeh, if only Sega went nuts and released every Japanese exclusive in the west. I'm sure the system would have been much more successful.

I was just thinking that same thing the other day, If these Japanese only games came to the west the Saturn might not as flopped as hard as it did. Lots of cool RPG's, especially when JRPG's were in fashion, then of course a ton of fighters and shooters, what could have been...sadly had no chance.

sadly Street Fighter Zero on the Saturn is crazy money simply because the Dreamcast port was kind of messed up. Until the later PS3 release came along the Saturn port was the ultimate home version of Street Fighter Zero 3.

But here is the weird thing though, SFZ3 was around $80 on average until 3 yrs ago and then overnight it jumped to $200+ range, like people suddenly realized it was good. I just checked on prices and on eBay at least its jumped even higher to $350+, this being the most insane example: www.ebay.com/itm/Sega-Saturn-Street-Fighter-Zero-3-RAM-Pack-Japan-very-good-condition-F-S/192516625431?epid=1007751629&hash=item2cd2e29417 Seriously, do they expect this to sell??? I guess that game will forever be out of my reach :(

And ANOTHER thing, PS1 version of MSH vs SF is more expensive than the Saturn version... I don't understand the retro bubble man...

Demand I suppose, though I'm not sure where it's coming from. Is the PS1 version an uncommon release? Darkstalkers 3's another example: pretty good port for the PS1, but complete Euro and US releases can be overpriced when compared to the virtually arcade perfect Japanese Saturn version. Gouketsuji Ichizoku's another one: the SFC version is widely regarded as superior and is dirt cheap, while the poorly regarded Mega Drive version costs rather a lot.

Cool. Hope you got or have a 4MB Ram cartridge.

Retro Core yes I do. Got me one with one of the KOF games... Or maybe fatal fury. I forget 😀

I think this is one of the very few games that does show out the actual super move names. That's so cool.

Retro Core *SHINKU HADOUKEN*

hahaha, Oh I totally agree but it sure adds to the tension.

I reckon the Saturn could have handled CPS3 games quite well. They probably wouldn't have been arcade perfect but would have looked far better than CPS2 games running on the PlayStation. You never know, maybe Capcom would have requested a 10MB RAM cartridge for the Saturn had it been as successful as the PlayStation. Wow, just imaging that!!

wolfniggr1 Yea it maybe wouldn't be a good business choice to do so,but it's still interesting just how much more the Saturn could do with all its untapped potential.Especially considering how good Capcom was at exploiting the Saturn's capabilities at that point. Capcom released a fight pad similar to the Saturn's, in partnership with Ascii or Hori I believe.

I agree. There's some really good tunes in these games.

It is a shame. Games like this are what helped Saturn sell over 5 million units in Japan.

It's on the list. Next week's show is a Namco game though.

I reckon the Saturn could have given us a port equal to that of the Dreamcast with ease.

Capcom was on fire back then come to think of it a lot of good games were released around that time period.

Capcom were also one of the last published to release a game on the Saturn. Sadly it was the crap by Capcom US, that 3D Final Fight 1 on 1 fighter. The actual last release was a compilation set of Roommate games.

ah yes, Final Fight Revenge, I don't have that one, and given the silly prices (around £250, same as a PAL Panzer Dragoon Saga ) and the reputation the game has as being mediocre at best, Im not rushing to get it. In fact I try and pretend it doesn't exist and try to think of SFZ3 as Capcom's last game on the system.

I remember when Xmen:COTA come out in the arcades and just fell in love with the whole series after that.Them were the good old days playing 1v1 right beside you not this online stuff with lagging all the time.

At the very least there was less childish crap talk . In local multiplayer (either at home or arcade) , swearing at someone was likely to result in a fist moving at high speed towards you. I was never quite as big as fan of COTA, although that may well be because I only played it after I played XvsSF at the arcades (must have been around 97-98). Its certainly a good game, though it does suffer from the same issue the original SFA did (mainly that it was outdone by its own sequels in every way)

Playing 2D Fighters on a PlayStation just isn't fun. None are as good as the Saturn ports no matter what the fanboys say. I always find it funny how PlayStation fanboys always bring the 4MB Ram cart for the Saturn in to question when they can't win a 2D fighting port argument. So sad.

I'm afraid they are region locked.

They are BUT you can get a Pro Action Replay with the 4 MB Auto RAM and it will bypass the region lockout. I bought one from Play Asia and it works for every single Japanese game I play on my US Saturn EXCEPT this game, for some reason it only seems to be just me in this instance. I have talked to other people who have this PAR and don't have an issue what so ever (I also tested it on my backup Saturn and it still would not work), thankfully I still have my original ST-KEY from 21 yrs ago that is slowly dying but can play this without fail. PAR's are not too bad in price, selling for $25.99 USD currently and you can also turn it into a Pseudo Saturn if you want to. I love my Saturn and have sung it's praises for 21 yrs now, especially if you love import collecting like I do. A surprising amount of games are in English, even ones that were never released outside of Japan.

sadly I can't do anything on the PS3 or PS4 as I don't own those machines but I will be covering more Capcom VS fighters in the future. The likes of Resident Evil would take up an awful lot of time so that's something I'd have to plan for the future.

Retro Core well, you can ask other youtubers who have those two and get gameplay of it

Marvel Super Heroes VS Street Fighter is probably the better game but in all honesty they're both great.

@@RetroCore thanks, I understand why because it has more moves, better presentation, more hidden characters and new features. I have the other 3 Capcom Marvel games on Saturn and MSH vs SF is the only one i'm missing. Hopefully I can find a copy for a decent price.

No, I don't think I did. When and where did you send them?

Retro Core I sent them last night. It was a VERY hard time as it took 4 TIMES to give you it. Maybe you didn't notice? Check your gmail pages.

Also, I sent them to your gmail. I guess your gmail is region exclusive?

Nothing in my Gmail unless it went to the Spam folder. I'll check.

So, I checked Gmail and also the SPAM folder but there is nothing there at all. Are you sending them mail to the correct address? It's the Gmail account that starts mes1975jp.

vampire series are others I will be covering on the show some time in the future. Again, the PlayStation ports are pretty crap.

excellent. Looking forward to it! Vsav is a personal favorite of mine, and one game that still gets tons of local play here too. @Lassi Kinnunen: That might be hard to dig up, considering that these sales records are around 20 years old now.

Seems to be the native resolution. I'm not sure why it looks like that. I'll look in to it for a future episode.

Well, I did buy the Dreamcast game yesterday so......

In the future, yes. It won't be for a few weeks though. I'll give the VS fighters a bit of a rest for now.

In terms of character animation is was but as an overall package it may not be. In X-men VS Street Fighter the biggest issues were loading and character animation. These two points have been improved this time but made worse are the voice and sound effect samples, stage animation (the night city stage is missing cars and animation) and the speed at which the game runs.

It will becoming but I think I'll give it a few weeks as people tend to get tired of the same type of game week after week.

What's funny is that I had Marvel Super Heroes VS Capcom on the Dreamcast at this time I thought it was rubbish. I don't know why but I just couldn't get in to it.

I liked a lot on the DC :D I had my DC in 98 just because of Soul Calibur, but I ended up playing a lot of CAPCOM and SNK fighting games as well a lot of other things. But my ARCADE console era was on SATURN for sure.

Maybe it was because if the Dreamcast controller not being very good for fighting games.

That's true! I bought a controller that looks like a Saturn controller. DC Controller was terrible for everything.

That's the crazy world of collectors I guess.

Thats not true at all.Psx was very fine for 2d and it had many 2d games in the end,if not more than Saturn. Kof 98-99,Last Blade,Guilty Gear,Metal Slug X,Marvel vs Capcom,Capcom vs SNK Pro,Jojos Bizzare Adventure among others,are gems that Saturn never saw. Saturn is better on 2d always ofcourse,but without the ram cart,is not that much better.

The only reason the PlayStation got those 2D games that the Saturn could have easily wipe the floor with is because the Saturn just wasn't a viable platform at the end of the day due to the lower number of units sold. In it's home territory of japan is was Favoured by Capcom but for developers who back then were not as wealthy as Capcom, they decided to port to the PlayStation. It's a shame SNK when that way but they were loosing money by the late 90's so it makes sense. Every SNK game that's on Saturn and PlayStation is better on the Saturn. Even without the RAM cart the Saturn still has more RAM than a PlayStation (a whole 1MB) and still has faster disc access and faster CPU speeds. When it comes to 2D, the PlayStation can be good but never as good at the Saturn. Just like the Saturn can be good at 3D (look at AM2's fighters or Dead or Alive) but never as good as the PS.

+Retro Core I played DOA on Saturn probably much before you (along with other japanese rarities),back in 1997 as a booleg cd import. I was a big Saturn fan in a very limited Saturn club (you see most people were Psx obsessed here) with a modchipped Saturn,4in1 Action Replay cart and I truly enjoyed it under my 29'' Trinitron in its full RGB scart greatness,all these back in the days and not now.So many games passed from my hands (copies ofcourse not originals,they werent cheap though mind you). You are ofcourse right that Saturn is better in 2d even without the 4mb cart,noone can deny that. But the difference without it its not huge.These games I mentioned before are very good along with other great ports like SFA3 and a reality that unfortunately Saturn didnt have. The ram carts really made a difference on 3 games: XMVSF,MVSF (for their tag system) and the first Metal Slug (atrocious loading on Psx). On all others Psx ports were fine and fully playable and enjoyable,who can deny that? As for 3d,yep Psx is better here and the difference is big enough because Psx had more polygons and special effects in its gpu,in games like Gran Turismo 2 or Tekken 3 for example. Still Saturn showed us great 3d games like DOA you mentioned or Panzer Dragoon 2 and others,but all these could only achieved under bloody programming pressure. The point is that we agree mostly but dont agree in some details.

Ah, he's also the final boss in X-men VS Street Fighter. Have you played that one? Some people tend to enjoy that more.

Retro Core You are thinking about Apocalyse. He is cool, but after you beat him you fight someone else and he is sooo cool (Spoiler free comment).

Even here Street Fighter Zero 3 on the Saturn will set you back about 10,000 yen for the RAM cartridge pack.

Shit.

Not to worry, the standard version is about 5000 yen which is a little more acceptable. Then you just buy something like Vampire Saviour for 3500 yen and get the ram with that.

Aren't Saturn games like, extremely common in Japan?

Hmm, the problem with the PlaySation is it's lack of RAM and also that it takes longer to load than a Saturn due to a slower CD drive and memory access time. I don't think it could have done that much better than what we have here unless they completely removed the 2nd character even as a assist player.

Retro Core I wonder if they could've added more ram through the memory card slot some how?

I was a big fan of Marvel VS Capcom 2 but though 3 is where the series bombed.

Oh, I played a ton of that too and still have MVC2 on PS2 somewhere, I have that stupid song stuck in my head forever lol, that's the only thing I have against that game really, loved using Cable, one of my fav Marvel characters. Yeah MVC3 Never interested me either, but I don't really play modern fighters in general anyway. You can't beat the classic's!

You wanna take it for a ride, dananana. Lol. Is that the song 😋

No! You must not speak those words, they are cursed lol. Honestly I don't know what they were thinking, it has to be some kind of inside joke with the dev's.

Licensing issues

I'll be doing more in the future for sure. Just bought the Dreamcast Marvel VS Capcom game.

Bokeyjr how do you feel about the comparison between PS1and Saturn?Do u feel let down?

CAPCOM784 I felt a little down i wish the PlayStation version was like the arcade and the Sega Saturn

Bokeyjr Have you thought about buying the Saturn version?I bought this game back when EB games were selling imports at the mall.I have all the Capcom fighters on the Saturn except Alpha 3.

CAPCOM784 maybe I know one thing these retro stores would most likely sell a Sega Saturn a this game

Bokeyjr Sometimes u get lucky and score stuff online for cheap.Knowing the people running the retro store will also get you cheaper prices as well.It will cost to get started buying Saturn,Games, and 4 mg Ram cart but in the end youll be very happy with the results I believe 😉

Mark Sorry it was not better on PS1 I've owned both versions Saturn was the better port.

Fanboys blow my mind with the mental gymnastics they pull to claim one game is better than the other, even when it's clearly not. I love all the systems new and present (mostly) but if one plays better than the other I fully admit it, embrace it, and endorse it. Take for example a non retro game (at the time of this comment) Nier Automata. It is hands down my pick for best game of 2017 to the point where I bought it four times: two for me (PS4 and PC versions) and two copies for friends to play (PC). Turns out that the PC port is not that great (I didn't know at the time! I DIDN'T KNOW!!!) but runs better than the PS4 still for frame rate and with the XBox One version coming out that looks to be the best overall so it gets my endorsement even though I don't have that console. For some people the Console Wars never ended I guess.

I'll tell some examples the PS1 version has less animation,more loading, and includes slowdown on certain characters and stages when there used.Both ports are far from perfect but the Saturn does edge out the PS1 version.

Ken Williams Would u buy the Xbox to get the best version of Nier?

Personally I would not because I am happy with the PS4 and PC versions that I own (If you go for PC make sure you download the FAR patch, fixes a lot of problems and makes it close to console), if you own an Xbox One X then definitely get it. This generation of XBox didn't really speak to me and everything they put out I can play on my PC so I skipped it for now, the only games I would play on it would be backwards compatible games that I can do on my Original or 360 that I own. Either way I suggest playing Nier Automata any way that you can, it's a great game and im happy that XBox One owners can get in on it.

Sorry to nitpick, but the Arcade is slightly better than Saturn due the higher resolution

Hmm, I draw the line at Marvel VS Capcom 2. Anything after that is way over the top plus Capcom changed the button layout from Marvel VS Capcom 3. No longer do we get the standard 3 punch, 3 kick arrangement.

ah, that's Japanese humour for you. There's a complete write up on the character here - marvelvscapcom.wikia.com/wiki/Norimaro

hehehe, to be honest the japanese humour is far beyond my comprehension. As a colombian guy I cannot imagine the jokes about the Japan victory on the World Cup 2018

BTW, thanks for the info about Norimaro :D

No worries.

Retro Core if i download Japanese rom i take this would be available in mame?

The Saturn would have had the tag option but it would have had lower animation frames for sure and longer loading times. What you have to remember is that the Saturn has a faster disc access speed than the PlayStation and a whole 1MB more RAM as well. For your other question, I didn't see it. I don't go back to older posts that often, no time you see. Anyway, For some reason I was under the impression that Golden Axe the Duel and Fatal Fury 3 had tag modes but I was mistaken on those.

+Retro Core Tag option would never be there without the ram cart,the 4mb cart was made especially for XMVSF to make tag possible. Still it would be better on Saturn yes (noone denies that) but the difference would be much more less. Yep there is no tag fighter on Saturn without an extra ram cart,thanks for confirming it.

Yeah but the game came with it so there's not really anything to complain about. With the RAM card it cost only a little more than the awful PSX version. And if you already had the 4MB RAM from another game you could just buy the regular release for the same price as the PSX version. I always find it funny that people bring up the RAM card issue when a Saturn game is better than the PlayStation version yet no body ever mentions RAM size when it comes to SNES VS Mega Drive or even the PC Engine using a RAM card to extend the memory to 4MB like the Saturn. Even VS fighters without RAM card support on the Saturn are better than the PlayStation version.. Vampire Hunter is a prime example. There was nothing stopping Capcom from asking Sony to release a RAM update for the PlayStation but they didn't because they knew RAM is not the only thing required to pull off games like this running on the Saturn. The PS hardware just wasn't designed to push so much 2D at the speed required. Kind of like how the Saturn is worse at 3D. It can do it but no were near as well as the PlayStation.

Keep in mind also that the PS1 used to have a parallel port on the back that was removed due to piracy issues (I would presume), I have a Pro Action Replay for my PS1 and it allowed me to play imports and "backups" but it would not have been too hard to throw some RAM into it.

That's true. Adding ram that way would have been an option.