I agree it'd be cool to see decks to confirm/discuss these

You'd see a lot more sea monsters decks lol

Please do this!

Yes please! +1

Yeeeeeeeeeessssssss!

I don't understand why it's voted lower than Evacuation. Is there some hefty sea-creature problem in edh, or something?

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@@modernminded5466 instant speed on effects like that are huge because it lets you replay a board first, and there are some fringe sea creature things to where its not normally relevant, but sometimes it is.

The letters even fit. A- almost B- budget C- conditional D- don't play

​@@k9commander S - $

This is why most draft tier lists have a separate indicator (or even a second grade), for when (you are doing this 1 strategy, then its an S). So you would rank the card normally, D, then give it a second rank for that specific deck/strategy. In a kraken deck its an S. outside of kraken, its a D/C

@@k9commander s - surely

and it is not an etb. it is a replacesment. also they did not talk about cyclone summoner

I always treated as such, with the idea of it NEEDS to hit atleast 3 good targets to be worthwhile.

@@singularleaf3895 I think that's somewhat fair, but I'd even say 2 good targets is worth compared to the competition. Exile is very nice, and the 2/2 doesn't tend to be a problem (look at beast within for a comparison), however it obviously does have the "creatures only" weakness. Sorcery speed really drags it down tho, I can really imagine a lot of use this would have at instant speed

"I'd play this in a multi color deck that has an ETB style effect." Then why not Flood of Tears? It's almost strictly better at that point. There's some massive incongruity here, I can see both being C's or B's together, but not one C and one B, just doesn't add up.

Crush of Tentacles to get an 8/8 costs 5, not 6, that's a big difference.

@@rings-cn1yn Doesn't actually cost 5 because you have to cost something else. And will only cost 5 if you're spending Mana which means it's not a good top deck or bad if you can't cast something that's really cheap.

As someone who actually plays consuming tide, I second this

Also I think Whelming wave is actually good outside of sea monsters. Blue Green Landfall love this card. It works great because you can ramp and bounce on your turn because of the low CMC.

@@PatNave_ Definitely agree

I feel like they never stick with the defined definition of their tier list criteria but I mean it's still interesting

I think a niche card that goes in one deck can only be a B if that deck is actually good, otherwise you can come up with a restrictive enough deck building constraint for literally anything

I think “one archetype” would be a better category than “one deck”

It's soooo good! Surprised they didn't mention it.

I didn't know of that one, it's sorcery Scourge of Fleets that you can cast for way cheaper. I like it a lot!

Wash Out is really good in my Rashmi "Anti-Fun" deck. It literally sends opponents back into the stone age.

Exactly what I was thinking. Sai also has decent representation.

Man, I completely went blank on blue tokens, but this was eye opening.

Yeah and then we have Adrix and Nev in simic, Riku of two reflections in temur, Alela in esper, and Brudiclad as they mentioned.

Orvar is a combo deck that makes tokens along the way to combo killing you. It's like saying thassa consultation is a devotion deck because along the way to the combo kill it checks devotion. Urza is an artifact deck that makes a construct on etb along the way to staxing you out with winter orb and trinisphere while using urza to dodge those effects or polymorphing the constructs to get a hullbreaker. The token matters but you lose to urza because he can ramp in blue, stax you out and make use of unused mana to wheel with his effect. The actual token deck is talrand because you cast spells, make drakes and your wincon is drake beats. It's how superfriends atraxa isn't a counter deck because you double the counters on your planeswalkers with doubling season before ulting and shitting on people, but your end goal is the planeswalkers and the counters are just a side note along the way.

@@lordofgarbageprogenitoroft4147 I wasn't aware there was only one way to build these decks, thanks for the heads up

I play Rivers Rebuke in 6 Drop Tribal

You're honestly better playing 4 drop creatures that tap down each of your opponents creatures. River's Rebuke feels bad most of the time I find

I like it too, but in tax decks where you've already forced them into a no win situation.

River's Rebuke is also a strong king killer card.

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Koma loves this card lol it’s B tier all day because Koma is popular. Even if it’s not a sea creature tribal deck.

I also like Kederekt Leviathan

Ixidron with massacre wurm is peak play

If they switch conditional to C (which makes more sense to me) instead of B, then yeah, it's a C tier card. It's only good in Goblin decks.

Would love that!

I agree. Since sea monsters are so unpopular, wave takes care of almost everything.

@James Black yeah but if you are limited by budget or colors, it does it’s job. I’m never sad when casting whelming wave.

Imagine tutoring for a 2 card combo in a casual singleton format

@@BananaNationTV Depends on what kind of answers they have.

I play Wave in my Dimir Zombies deck for fun and having Rot-Tide Gargantua on the board when this resolves is so satisfying. I have a ZOMBIE KRAKEN and the rest of the board just turned to rubber...

I was just thinking they would be likely to under value curse of swine, just knowing all of their playstyles.

@James Black it’s flexible doesn’t have to always be a board wipe

Except no kicker synergy. Rip.

Aether gale also have this advantage, although curse of the swine is also unique by working around etbs

I like river's rebuke as well. It takes down the archenemy, and you lavarage it for political favor of tje rest of the table

Yes. That synergy is ridiculous. It's strong with Animate Dead & Dance of the Dead too. You can even go infinite with the right rocks.

It's actually stopped by most _destroy_ effects. Anything that can handle a creature or an enchantment will also stop the combo.

Who do you run as commander? Personally i have an arixmethes deck, and i Love it

Same here, outside of Cyclonic Rift its my top choice in mono U, even if it's seamonster tribal.

I agree Devastation Tide is better than these folks rate it. Nothing else can bounce the board at instant speed for two mana.

Yeah, Devastation Tide is better than this video acknowledges. It's mediocre if you don't have enablers, but solid if you do. What other card can bounce everything at instant for two mana?

I love flood on storm decks like jhoira weatherlight captain You can float mana bounce everyting and redeploy all your low cost artifacts You can put back an aetherflux or jhoira herself to keep storming :)

@@lorpuz4664 I used to play it in standard with war of the spark ugin and a bunch of 2 mana etb draw artifacts to churn through the deck (war ugin lets you cast them again for free). Another deck was with war nissa and spark doubles to generate insane amounts of mana potentially casting multiple tears per turn. The nissa lands also stay on the board able to attack.