The fact that numerous people at Lucasfilm read the script for Kenobi and still went ahead with it baffles me.

Kenobi's writing and logic was indefensible. The dude literally saw his "brother" killing younglings and then just watched him slaughter an entire village to get to him. He also knows that the Sith would have been weaker if Vader was dead. The writers wrote themselves into a corner by shoehorning a fight (hell a whole show) that wasn't necessary. Thor, you knocked it out of the park as usual.

It's extremely frustrating to see that in DisCan it's a battle between incompetent villains and idiotic heroes where the only reason one defeats the other is through their stupidity rather than any virtues or earned triumphs from themselves. It's like watching two mentally challenged children slapping each other.

Disney has been in the trend recently of Villains being the "relatable cool people" and Heros "being close-minded jerks".

A lot of the Disney + shows struggle with morality. This reminds me of how Sam and Bucky consistently showed more sympathy and kindness to Karli, and actual terrorist, than they ever did to John Walker. Morally complex heroes and villains are great, but you have to support that idea with good writing.

That's the problem with modern media and the world at large. Everyone is so interested in moral grays that they forget to establish the zeniths of both good and evil. Without those standards, we succumb to relativism and the mess that brings.

I don't think we would be criticizing Sabines choice so much if the show would have had someone (Ahsoka or Ezra) berate/talk down to her for what she did or if she was really affected by it; the guilt of possibly having Thrawn return the galaxy and all the death that would come from that weighing on her conscience. That would make for really interesting drama instead of them just waving it off and just being like "Eh, don't worry about it."

Another thing for Ahsoka and the map when she had the map she didn’t want to destroy it and wanted to find Ezra, but once the map was lost to the bad guys she wanted to destroy it cause they didn’t have the firepower to win it back

With Kenobi it seems like they treated it as a moral victory for Obi-Wan to not become like Vader, but forgot the context. They probably thought RotJ, but forgot about the redemption and Obi-Wan's opinions on Vader. With Sabine it seemed like the writer is fully aware that she's commiting a moral failure, but didn't find the time to explore it later. Also because Filoni, it's likely that the Force adapted in the fly, and made sure Ezra will get home to help thwarting Thrawn, and Ahsoka is dealing with whatever Baylan is up to.

I guess we shouldn't be surprised since Disney has been on a mission to rewrite their villains, who thought Cruella DeVille of all characters needed a tragic, sympathetic backstory?

Nowadays it’s less about what a character does, but rather who they are

I have to say that this idea that Jedi don't kill... is not said anywhere at least in the movies. People confuse "good guys = don't kill" but that is not a core tenant rule explicitly stated in the Jedi... it's understood compassion above violence but they are not above using it to stop a great threat.

The funny thing is, you just make the whole "Obi-Wan VS Vader" fight a VISION or a NIGHTMARE and it works. Obi-Wan doesn't have blood on his hands and it doesn't break canon (...well the whole show breaks canon but that's another story)

You’re a smart guy when it comes to KZfaq, Thor! By giving the viewers a chance to have their comment read in your videos, it incentivizes commenting, which is, no doubt, very beneficial to you and the channel. Surprised more channels haven’t thought of that lol

The map was really not needed to find Ezra at all. Ahsoka just used the space whales and got to the other galaxy without it after all. They just needed to find where the whales lived and voilà, the path to Ezra opens up without letting Thrawn free... how in the years spent searching for him (Ezra) they never tried that is beyond me...

Anybody notice that Thor refuses to start a video by saying any other word besides "Now"? 😅

Hey Thor, I appreciate your work heavily. Sometimes we agree, sometimes not. Either way, great stuff from you and Naboo. Just wanted to say, blows my mind how you in like 2 min gave a 10x more compelling storyline for this series than what we got. I actually legitimately was thinking like damn, this also would’ve caused a lot of Sabine hate to not have come. (Even though most people prolly not gonna come around on the Sabine Jedi thing lol)

The part about the ISB being too dumb to deduce the Bail/Leia/ObiWan link on top of Vader being too dumb to deduce these things brings you full circle to the problem in Disney Star Wars: the writers do not have an understanding of the lore or source material, in addition to that they do not care about the story Lucas was trying to tell, they care about the story they are trying to tell and that is the crux of the problem. The writers are more interested in telling their story with George Lucas's world and characters than they are with continuing the legacy of his story and honoring it. That is why none of this stuff feels like Star Wars, it feels like a child came into a room with Star Wars character action figures and started smashing them together. "Ohhh I know it doesn't make any sense with the dialog in EP. 4 and it creates massive plot holes and moral dilemmas but wouldn't it be sooooo coool if Vader and Obiwan fought again for no reason other than deceptive marketing?!!?!" The fact they hijacked that show and that story and those characters and their story/history is some of the most gross negligence I've ever seen in any reboot, the people responsible for this should be blacklisted from the industry but everybody in the industry is too buddy buddy and up their own ass to actually call out and criticize the laziness and low level, dumb writing in this show and every other Disney Star Wars disaster.

Because we have two opposing factions and depictions of Star Wars within Lucasfilm. There’s Filoni and Favreau feeding us easy to consume crack-cocaine. And there’s Tony Gilroy feeding us nutritious slow cooked meals. Sorry, but my standards have risen and I refuse to go back to pathetic action light shows that just appear because the plot said so.

Sabine being the one finding the "map" definitely would have improved the story a lot. It would show she was still very much obssessed with finding Erza. Could have been a reason for Ahsoka to stop training her (fearing she might fall to the dark side). Could explain why Ahsoka didn't destroy the map in the beginning (she wouldn't have been the one to find it). Could explain the rift between the two in the beginning since maybe Ahsoka could have said that they can't risk finding Erza because they might find Thrawn. So many motivations would be better. (Would require a slight retcon) Could even explain Anakin's lesson to Ahsoka. That she must keep fighting the good fight. Because if she doesn't, evil wins or something. Maybe Ahsoka had stopped being a Jedi and just wanted to live a life of peace and Sabine's mistake forces her to act. At first she was reluctant, after the lesson she would be on board with it all again.

The kenobi series was not great but fuck me was haydens facial acting with the half mask was perfect

I’ve come to realize that the negative aspects that made villains are now being used for heroes, arrogance, pride or selfishness instead of humility, growth and wisdom.

Plot contrivances and poor writing unfortunately has been consistent in recent Star Wars shows (except for Andor)

Hey Thor, how well do you think this could have worked for the Kenobi show: In the Kenobi and Vader “rematch of the century”, after Vader says that Anakin is gone, Kenobi kills Vader. Let that sink in. We as the audience would be watching it the whole time saying “but we know how this has to end” and then BOOM it suddenly become obvious that this was never meant to keep cannon. Then he returns to Tatooine just in time to save Luke, but Reva had already killed the Lars. This would launch as alternative history universe where Kenobi is training a young Luke as they come out of hiding to defeat the Emperor. That would have subverted the expectation but is a way that totally makes sense. Killing Vader would have solidified that show as stuff of legend and film classes would be praising it for decades. Everyone would be talking about the ending instead of about how dumb it was to have Leia hide under the trench coat.

It's not that Jedi don't kill. It's that they don't kill the defenseless. Look to Anakin and Quinlan Voss as examples. Anakin killing a defenseless Dooku all but sealed his fate. Quinlan being tasked to assassinate Dooku Turned him dark almost irreversibly.

When you cannot write competence, you are unable to write justifications for your characters' actions. This is where Disney _always_ falls short nowadays.

Instead of just straight up walking away from Darth Vader, what are other things that could've made more sense if Obi-Wan had no other choice but to leave?

I would’ve liked a line in _Kenobi,_ when Obi-Wan is about to finally strike down Vader, but in that moment Qui-Gon finally speaks to him, and says something to stay his hand and let him live… something like “he is the Chosen One, he will destroy the Sith,” or just “trust the Force,” or something much better than those ideas 🤷🏻‍♂️

Hey Thor. Recent reports have shed light on the issues at the Mouse-House. Some of the biggest are that there have been no writer rooms, no true showrunning. The studio has been meddling or outright "running" series by throwing stuff at the wall and then "we'll fix it in post" as the solution. (Secret Invasion is the prime example of this.) The most recent and glaring reports center on Daredevil. One of the BEST series ever made (not just a superhero show) got "she-hulked"...and now the entire directing/writing AND completed (reportedly 4) episodes of their new DD series just got tossed in the trashcan for being a 'courtroom drama' where Matt Murdock doesn't even don his costume until the 4th episode. 😀 As these shenanigans come to light, is it any wonder that 90% of these series are less than stellar? (Exception for obvious reasons being Andor.)

Everyone is looking for “shades of grey” today and don’t wanna hear about good and evil. We must analyze the psychology of evil men and the good guys are just too boring. We have to make them commit questionable acts in order for the audience to pay attention to their stories. The is what happens when you continually consume media that says there is no good and evil, just people and power. No, there is absolutely good and evil and we see it every day. This is just the MO for companies like Disney who introduce moral relativistic principles to younger and younger generations. You know what’s truly interesting? Having morally good characters with strong values being presented with false choices, and morally dubious circumstances but finding their way to what is right and holding on to their values despite the world around them trying to influence them into shades of grey. But that doesn’t fit the goals and ideals of companies like Disney today. They’d rather make fun of upright and righteous men like Steve Rogers and Luke Skywalker. By making fun of them being sexually pure, or old school. This is how we get troubled writing like in Kenobi and Sabine’s choice. I don’t see why she needed to hand over the map and couldn’t lose a fight and get captured. Why make her make this morally dubious choice and not follow up the consequences? Disney doesn’t understand the psychology of good characters & WHY they shouldn’t make these choices! It’s literally because good guys have strong values. They understand consequences. Consequences that have negative impacts on greater numbers of people rather than themselves. Selflessness vs selfishness. These characters are good because they literally pick up their cross(in a Christian sense) and die to themselves continually. That doesn’t fit the follow your heart mantra of Disney today.

found it hilarious that Ezra is supposed to be so important for her to find but when she finally does she acts like its just a co worker wtf disney cant write normal human interactions its so weird

Hey Thor, you mentioned in this video about how Ahsoka probably would have been better if it had been named something generic and focused on Sabine as a main character. I noticed a similarity with what you've said in the past about Andor being called "Star Wars: The Dark Times" or something. What do you think has caused Lucasfilm's seeming obsession with naming shows and movies after characters? (Solo, Andor, Kenobi, Ahsoka, etc...) Do you think it's just Marvel's success prior to phase four or do you think there's something else to it as well? Curious to hear your thoughts.

Hey Thor! This topic fits into a larger discussion about how Disney has been handling villains across its franchises. In Marvel, many of the villains lately have had intentions that are not necessarily evil and often are "relatable" to the audience and makes the audience feel sorry for the villain. Losing children and loved ones (real and imaginary), feeling unjustly persecuted, wanting to return to home (even if that home wasn't yours to begin with), protecting your home and property - these are all emotions the audience connects with and Marvel/Disney has been portraying these villains as "right reasons, wrong methods." We've had very few villains who are truly villainous with evil intentions. And then there are the Disney live-action remakes that have reduced the threat of their villains. Primary example of this is Ursula in The Little Mermaid, who had lyrics in her "villain" song changed to make her less evil for fear of... the audience taking her advice to heart? I still don't understand that one, one of the points of the hero defeating the villain is to show that the hero's values are greater than that of the villain and thus the audience should use the hero as an example to follow in life, not the villain. And finally, in Star Wars it is very much blurred on whether the heroes are the heroes or villains of the story and not for the intention of creating morally complex heroes. Instead, it makes the heroes seem ignorant and dumb, which is attributed to bad writing, not complex writing that is involved in writing complex characters. I would love to hear your thoughts! Also, I have commented multiple times what direction I think the Ahsoka show should have taken. If you easily cannot find those comments, I am willing to take the time to find them and copy-paste them below! Love your videos and your balanced approach to Star Wars and story telling!

The more you think about these shows, the more they fall apart. Thats probably why they keep trying to get our attentions to other shows the moment one is done

I honestly think that Disney and Lucasfilm just don't think about the implications of events and actions. A match up between Obi-Wan and Vader was cool! Everyone wants to see it! I think that's literally the depth of their thinking.

They don't seem to understand very much about anything.

Kenobis final fight could’ve been far better if they fought on that planet, and then a bit into the fight they go into some sort of crystal cave to 1: give some really cool visuals instead of the crappy rock and darkness, and 2: Vader could’ve fallen into some sort of cavern in order to end the fight without kenobi just walking away

"She was on vacation this week" lmao

None of this makes the heros bad. It just makes them very very dumb, which is the core problem of disney era star wars. It feels like everything is written plot first and then the characters are squished into that plot instead of letting character motivations drive plot. That's not to say plot first can't work, but the amount of effort that has gone in to making characters fit in their plot is pitiful.

The first time when he fought Vader, there was a good reason why he left him alive: he thought he was gonna die. He was limbless, and on fire, and he had to make sure Padme was ok while dealing with the weight of everything going on.

Suggest Disney producers watch the Mitchell & Webb sketch, “are we the baddies?”

Yep especially when you push a theme like "their is no light or darkness" that only shows you have no concept of either.

Ahsoka leaving the map with Sabine was not a great plan. Her not destroying it initially does make sense as she thought the threat from the Imperials forces was minimal at that point. I'm fully on board with a title change for this show. Call it Master & Apprentice and give us even more time with Baylan and Shin.

It is not just Disney, its everyone.... The elves in lord of the rings are evil now... and the federation in star trek are fascists.. I think its all the postmodern graduate writers.. we just need them do retire out and then maybe the next generation of Hollywood writers can go back to telling good stories, instead of deconstructing old ones...

In a Kenobi fan edit, Obi-Wan hears the voice of Qui-Gon telling him that Anakin IS the chosen one before Obi-Wan walk away. It helps.

Both were horrendous. The only thing that makes Kenobi worse is that it tore apart canon. Ahsoka and Sabine's mistakes don't have the same stakes and implications and obviously serve to make Thrawn a villain in another project. Them making the Kenobi atrocity is made worse by the knowledge of everything that happens before and after.

On one hand it comes down to this: when you think someone needs to die, don't depend on circumstances, just kill them. On the other hand, there's the case of mercy, very strongly shown in the Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings in the mercy given to Gollum. It led in the future to having Gollum take the Ring from Frodo when Frodo failed and then Gollum fell into the volcano, destroying the Ring when Frodo couldn't. What can the mercy shown to Vader produce in the future? Vader kills Palpatine when Luke couldn't. I've also thought of a wild idea. What if in the Return of the Jedi, Vader didn't die. Luke had him removed from his armour and put into a medical facility in secret. An empty suit of armour was cremated. Maybe in the future, a healed and more balanced Anakin, Darth Vader, master of both the Light Side and the Dark Side, could work to redeem himself by aiding the New Republic with his skills in combat and command.

Sorry to say that it's just a short while after the series concluded and I've already forgotten about it. There's nothing memorable or tangible to take away and think about. It's as simple as that. I'm afraid it's destined for the same fate as so many of the Disney Star Wars iterations.

I'm in agreement there. Disney really doesn't get it. Gone down some bland nonsense where everyone is good and everyone is evil. Everything is just gray. You can have heroes, villains, good, and evil. It's not a crime for fiction to create those lines in the sand and have fun with the setting. I don't Disney will figure that out, but it just shows why so many of their shows and movies have been failing. Not the whole reason, but one more of those reasons.

I don’t understand why Disney hasn’t learned by now. Maybe the pressure to churn out content is part of the problem. That’s why so many shows feel like 1st or 2nd drafts, not the final product.

It couldn't even have been called REBELS because these characters didn't represent the Rebel characters that well either.

also, a character making a bad choice can still be good characterization, like for Sabine i think it is a choice that makes sense for her character. but you would think obi Wan would have learned his lesson by now, making it a bad choice and not really in character

You have to give Thor props for trying to make sense out of nonsense. Thrawn didn’t exactly have to die but he could have been arrested for warcrimes while serving the Empire and after the Emperor was killed. To give him the map, however, was a shit move. It would have been a stronger move to decide she doesn’t need Thrawn to find Ezra. As for Kenobi, that show shouldn’t have even happened if they were gonna just make it one massive canon breaker, between the Inquisitor Hunts, an unnecessary onscreen explanation for how Leia would recognize the name ‘Ben Kenobi’ (because audience members can’t use their imagination, apparently), and Darth Vader not only needlessly being on Tatooine but also having another duel with a shallow Obi-Wan before their inevitable fight on the Death Star. There is literally no direction or care under Disney. Anybody who did care about Star Wars who *wasn’t* fired for it like Dave Filoni are being corrupted by Disney. There’s no heart and fans have seen so much crap content with the Star Wars brand slapped onto it that we’ve been accepting the minimum, something we never did prior. Only now do we accept minimum content because we’re desperate for true Star Wars again. If true Star Wars was really what they cared to create, they wouldn’t do petty things like try to make what they now call ‘Legends’ instead of ‘EU’ lost media.

Kenobi's lightsaber in that Kenobi show technically should not have killed anyone, since this is Disney star wars so they are rendered useless now

Tight, logical plots have never been a high priority for modern Disney. Also the lives of modern Disney characters are worth far more than the great unwashed. Entertainment is a product of culture and we all know how effed up Disney's culture is. Being somewhat sane and moral, working at Disney these days would be one of the planes of hell for me.

Hey Thor, I have a different take on the climactic events in Kenobi. I'm curious as to what you think of this. What I understood from Kenobi was that when Obi Wan charged Vader after disrupting his suit's life support, he went for the kill by slicing at his head. However, he failed to land the killing blow, and instead only sliced the helmet, if not also a part of Vader's scalp. Vader used this to his advantage after having narrowly escaped death to psychologically manipulate Kenobi into having pity for him, bringing to light Kenobi's regret, sadness, and self-deprecation. Emotions that Vader would absolutely sense and relate to, thus establishing a wicked familiarity to then manipulate Kenobi into backing off. They have the emotional interaction with one another, and Kenobi, realizing what Vader claims himself to be and accepting it, backs off because he can sense Vader's growing anger and determination to kill him, even if it means they both die. Kenobi, having received grace by a vision of Luke and Leia from the Force earlier that allowed him to muster the confidence and strength to lift the boulders off of him, knows that should he die here, the two children's lives would be in jeopardy. This would have been his same logic as to why he was determined to kill Vader, as in should he allow Vader to live, their lives and the lives of countless others will be in jeopardy. What changed was that he failed to kill Vader, and lost the advantage of surprise as well as his newfound strength in the Force due to exhaustion (b/c of course he hasn't acclimated to the Force enough yet to be as strong as he used to be a decade ago). As such, if he were to continue the fight with an enraged and focused Vader right there and then, he risks losing his own life more than he did before. Therefore, the prudent option was to surrender the fight and retreat. Now, I want to clarify that this may not be what they were trying to convey, but it is how I interpreted the scene. However, if this was indeed what they were trying to convey, I do believe they failed miserably in being precise. I only came to this full conclusion after the fact trying to make sense of the scene. The most egregious issue here is that if it's true Vader was invigorated enough to take Kenobi on in a weakened state regardless of his own life, then why did he allow Kenobi to walk away? He could've easily force choked him and prevented him from retreating. Now, one can say "Force defenses," as of course there have been plenty of opportunities for villains in the past to have simply force choked or shocked any Jedi they challenged with a lightsaber duel but didn't. Ok, taking that into account, the scene I think justifies itself in principle. But, it fails to visually communicate those principles well. As such, I think it would have been much better if the scene played out normally, up until Vader finishes saying "And now I will destroy you," or something along those lines. Before Kenobi could even have the chance to speak and accept what has changed in Anakin, Vader Force chokes him by capitalizing on Kenobi's emotional weakness. Kenobi, now in a state of peril, uses what fortitude and focus he has left to Force crush Vader's suit, or even bring down an entire rock pillar on top of Vader preventing Vader from continuing killing him and hopefully kill Vader instead. Kenobi is released, and due to a lack of oxygen and their injuries, both lose consciousness and collapse onto the ground. Kenobi wakes up later and sees Vader still unconscious on the ground, believes he is dead, and then says what he has learned to accept. He then leaves as he looks up and sees Imperial vessels coming down to secure the area and retrieve Vader after a suspicious passage of silence from his comm link. This would clearly show Kenobi's intentions in killing Vader, but failed to do so, clarifying the moral dilemma. or if the scene was actually conveying what I interpreted, the moral confusion many including yourself continue to grapple with.

“I mean the best parts about Star Wars is there is no good or evil. It depends on what side you are standing on, truly.” - Charlie Barnett, star of The Acolyte.

The part about that is so frustrating is that all it would’ve taken seeing the problem and offering a viable justification. Obi, wan senses that Luke is at risk. Nose that his primary duty is on the line. That’s it I’m pausing and going Luke as he touches his head and running off fixes that problem. It’s not perfect. One of the reasons they’re protecting the children is so that they can act against Peter in the future so if you can end Vader, but still the responsibility of protecting the child in that moment would definitely add to the weight of the moment.

the most laughable thing in this show was that Sabine was the only one in the galaxy capable of solving a glorified rubix cube - or sphere in this case

You forgot how Ezra didn’t kill Thrawn, after it got lost in the other galaxy and escaped from him.

The trouble with Sabine's choice is that it is directly in contrast with the choice of Ezra, who sacrificed himself to save his friends, free Lothal and remove Thrawn as a threat. Sabine undoes all of that for the sake of her friendship. And then, despite some minor set up from the show, the morality and implications in terms of their relationship are completely unexplored. It could have made for a fascinating character arc if her actions had lead to the breaking of their friendship, or even to Ezra's death, resulting in Sabine having to come to terms with the consequences of her actions, and an opportunity for genuine character growth by her finding the resolve to set things right. What it boils down to, in both Ahsoka and Kenobi, is a lack of care, imagination and courage on the part of the writers.

Name of show: Frontiers Beyond allude to Peridea & to Frontiers of the Force being explored with Ahsoka & Sabine

That lighstsaber fight just needed to end with Vader burying Obi-Wan under the rocks. Vader walks away arrogantly believing he's got his revenge and Kenobi is dead, kinda mirroring Obi-Wan in ROTS, and after struggling to go on holding up the rocks Obi-Wan remembers his promise to Yoda in ROTS, "I will take the boy and watch over him," and finds the strength in purpose to escape, but now Vader is gone. It is a short term defeat for Obi-Wan, but a long term victory, since he has already accomplished his goal of distracting Vader to save Leia, and his character arc is complete with him being reinvigorated and committed to his duty again. This also explains why Vader didn't ever look for him again and was so surprized when he felt Obi-Wan's presence on the Death Star in ANH. The level of complexity, significance, and logic is instantly 10x by ending it this way.

This brings some really bad memories... Kenobi of course, I thought I made my peace with that flaming pile of garbage but I was wrong, so wrong.

It was so easy to have Kenobi walk over to kill Anakin and have 2 tie fighters shoot at him and not letting him kill vader. It wouldn't be a thing today and obi wan wouldn't be questioned why did he let him alive. 🙄

The only explanation that makes sense is that they're writing these shows under extreme time pressure. There's no one to say "Hey, wait a minute, if that happens there's no story."

Thor's videos about Star Wars are so much more interesting and intelligent than Star Wars itself.

Hey thor, I have liked most of the disney+ star wars series. Most of them good and on the edge of really to great but to me, they have felt like first drafts of a story and could use a cohesive editor. Thoughts?

The Kenobi show should have been more like how Book of Boba after was with a lot of self reflection and flashbacks to his past, dealing with the feelings of being responsible of Anakin’s turn to the dark side,while showing him watching over Luke, making attempts with Owen to try and get permission to train him, and working towards establishing contact with Qui Gin’s force ghost. And you could cut to Vader’s point of view as he tries to hunt for Kenobi maybe coming close to finding him and Luke but just narrowly avoiding them. Then Book of Boba Fett should have been a cross galaxy adventure with Fett being a bounty hunter.

I think Palps worried that after another round he will be without an apprentice.

It still bothers me so much that Vader's voice isn't the one telling Obi Wan that last "I did"

Its sad that this is where we are at... Theres now more hrs of Star Wars content on the Disney end than on the Lucas end Clone Wars included... Water is just too muddled at this point. I really think Star Wars has just taken a nose dive and its over. I dont see how you crawl out of the hole they've dug... Its so bad, it feels like poison admitting but how could they ever repair all the damage they've done.

You make great points the problem is it was a self-contained story in the original trilogy. The more TV shows, and the more movies they make the more logical errors the more they destroy the integrity of what was constructed and create all these problems with the plot and the story and incidences that now no longer makes sense

You wanted Filoni, they gave you Filoni. I told you all that Filoni is a hack. Finally the fandom sees the truth.

It's not that they don't know the difference between heroes and villains. It's they want to showcase a heroic character doing an irresponsible action and not getting punished. It's all part the narrative. They need it so that any irresponsible action they do to star wars franchise, they hoped that fans don't punished them too much.

Come to think of it, Kenobi lets Vader live at least three times now. In Revenge of the Sith he had his best chance. He also doesn't even bother fighting him in A New Hope, hew just toys with him and then sacrifices himself to let Luke escape. Then in the Kenobi series he just continually runs away. Obviously the real world reason for this is it was already set that Vader would die in Episode VI. Which gives him the same problem as Dooku and Grievous. Every time you use them, you have to come up with some reason they or their opponent runs. Which is why you should not just keep using these kinds of villains. Use other villains whose fate can be decided in the story you are telling at the time.

Hey Thor, instead of these mammoth sized disasters of overproduced hubris, should Disney focus on their animated shows and maybe some lower budget live action stuff that leaves the Jedi behind. I’m not talking Caravan of Courage here but Andor is the high point of the last few years and it had no Jedi or Sith. It seems these high profile shows are falling flat and maybe some lower stakes and lowered expectations could help get things on track. And a lower budget could give some creative freedom for show runners to tell Star Wars stories that are less galaxy spanning. Like Cheers but at an imperial bar on the Death Star or something. Your thoughts would be appreciated.

In regards to 02:45 killing is not the Jedi way. I'll quote Vergere. "...a contradiction like those Jedi who wield it. Those peaceful warriors who kill in the service of life."

“Stupid Sandwich “. lol Thor you got that right

"Clearly Dedra was on vacation this week." 🤣😂🤣😂

Still waiting to see the rest of your "what the Obi-Wan Kenobi Series could have been" Is it uploaded somewhere that I missed it or was it abandoned?

*Thor, C'mon Bro...* 🤨 *"Trying to make sense of what makes no sense can render you senseless. Let it go."* - Sanjo Jendayi 🧐 Unfortunately that is what Star Wars has become, trying to make sense of the senseless. 🤯 *"NUFF SAID"™️*

Ashoka not only didn't destroy the map for the greater good when she had the chance she also failed to protect the map because she should of went after Sabine immediately after she took off with the map but didn't. So Ashoka failed twice in the first episode alone which doesn't make her look very smart. When it comes to Sabine what she did was treasonous straight up because she did all of it on her own from stealing the map even after being told the danger of doing so to handing over the map of her own free will so what she did is even worse in my opinion then Obi Wan even what he did was bad to.

Hey Thor, even better idea! Ditch Sabine and Ezra, focus on Ahsoka and Baylin and take it from there. An Ahsoka series about Ahsoka, that would have been great!

4:54 What is wrong with the picture or is this part of the story?

I just choose to not even acknowledge the existence of Kenobi. Unless your intent is to rewrite the OT, this show should never have been made.

Well I don't see Kenobi as canon, I still see it as Vader when he says " I sense someting, a presence I haven't felt since..." He is refering to Mustafar. When it comes to Sabine I don't think she can do no wrong. I mean she wouldn't have become a Jedi master if she hadn't got to the other galaxy. So now she will save everyone and become a Skywalker too

Hey Thor: Could be that it be that Ahsoka did not destroy the map because she did know that Thrawn was in another galaxy until after the map was stolen, and therefore thought that simply destroying the map was not enough to stop Thrawn’s return. The people looking for him would still have a chance of finding him if he was still in the same galaxy, so maybe if that was the case it may safer to hunt down and capture kill Thrawn then to let him be and possibly find away back or be found by some other means. I like to hear your thoughts on this

Instead of the dumb McGuffin that is is the map, why not just make it that the Imperials are studying all they could with the whales and making a means to traverse the pathway? Instead of handing over the map, or having a map at all, why not have the imperials ask Sabine to help using her engineering prowess with the promise of seeing Ezra and their protection? Could be offered by Hoti early on instead of having her get stabbed so dumbly. Or maybe the separate her and Ahsoka early on and ask her then. You can have where Sabine helps and tries to make fail safe, but when they get to their destination, Thrawn makes sure to inspect it thoroughly to ensure she didn't do such. Relying on dumb plot devices that can be easily replaced for more relevant use of characters skills, knowledge, and ingenuity is just lazy...

Thank you for the video discussing this.

You make good points from a linear point of view. But Like Gollum, in the Lord of the rings, Gandolf, Bilbo and Frodo, all lead call him, live out of pity, knowing how evil and wretched he was, and he was the one that destroyed the ring in the end. My take on this is Sabin what is guided by the force to bring the three Jedi to the distant galaxy to tackle a bigger evil, then Thrawn.

I respect Thor more Star Wars Theory because A) He does not say outlandish things B)Does not show their face and C) Well he is respectful and can keep an open mind.

The Kenobi show only would have worked if Vader thought that Kenobi was dead at the end.

Honestly, I don't think the writers even think about these things. They are perfectly okay with characters do things simply because the plot demands it.

Yeah, we live in an era where feelings weigh more than reason. Our contemporary art, that includes TV-shows, reflect that.

I mean, they made a bobba fett show (a very famous star wars villain, second to vader himself) and made him a useless puppy dog that does as he's told, is loved by all and gets sidelined in his own show... what were they trying to do here? As a villain, he had thousands of fans who wanted to see him being a villain... we didnt want to see him old, decrepid and struggling with taxes, hiring people to do stuff for him Disney was so terrified of making a main character a villain, if they made a vader show, theyd make him funny, kind, lovable and incharge of the death star secret santa party for life day

“Well, he was trying to kill them. But his saber bounced off their armor.” I am just thinking “Jesus Christ!🤦🏻‍♂️” You are talking about a different aspect of how nonsense this stuff is. But just showing all the other stupid things they have done to this brand.

I think film makers of a particular mindset have become adverse to consequences. But if there are no consequences to be responsible for then there are no hard decisions to be made and it doesn’t matter what the hero does. It comes from a place where the writer has a very narcissistic world view.

You need to do the HK-47 video.

To be fair ahsoka didn't count on morgan elsbeth's mercenaries and assassin droids stealing the map.After ahsoka recovered it from arcana.