Ooooo I like this

Busted!

I agree with you, but I actually don't find Bolt Action models that 'poor'. While obviously a Games Workshop miniature is a better display piece, they don't look all that different once they're on the table. Unless you have telescopic vision, you just see small little painted figures. The 73 scrolls, necklaces, gemstones, belt pouches, tax returns, barbecue lighters and scented candles you spent hours painting on each GW infantrymen aren't even noticeable. If you compare the two as wargaming pieces, not display models, I think Warlord historicals stack up extremely favorably. They are better value for money, easier and faster to paint, more customizable and do more within the context of their games (compared to GW units which often last one shooting/fight phase until they go back in the case). It's not even like Workshop's models are top shelf anymore, with a few exceptions. Bolt Action may have 'Pumpkin Head' guys, but GW has Uriel Ventris, that weird stilts robot, and the latest Shield Captain, who looks like someone accidentally messed with the aspect ratio of the STL before he went to print.

@@GreyHunter88 I wasn't comparing them to GW, I was comparing them to what else is available on the historical market, eg, not in the retail space, where they don't stack up as well in value or quality.

Historical wargames struggling with supply lines is actually just good meta-lore.

Just jump in and do it. Some folks will drop out, others will become more passionate than you. Viewing demos as transactional only leads to disappointment. I learned this the hard way 😊

Oh, I broke my vow when Kill Team ‘21 came out, and I discovered Warcry . Still not a fan of the big games, but the skirmish level games are great and GW still makes the best plastic.

Like you, I mostly washed my hands of GW when they axed Fantasy back in the day instead of attempting to fix the problems with it that they themselves created. No ill will to AoS players, but barring substantial changes to its lore and a major apology, that IP will always be a colossally disrespectful middle finger to past GW creators and to GW consumers as a whole. Personally, TOW was my absolute breaking point for any sort of tolerance for GW, though. Fantasy was, and is, still a profitable IP, when given proper love and attention, but rather than do that, GW decided to cynically regurgitate the IP in a truncated form. They never bothered to address the issues with it (they've actually compounded some of them - ie metal models are still a thing, still no convenient Combat Patrol type box, no border patrol/skirmish modes for ease of entry, the modern prices for two decade old models) and seem to desire a quick cash grab and second, and final, grave in which to fully bury Fantasy in.

Oof fantasy and warmachine gone

@@spnked9516 Id bet that with Old World dropping the things you would like to see have a pretty good chance of happening. I never played Fantasy, wish i did, but it died before I could. AoS... just didnt make sense to me, it was just an attempt to modernize Fantasy and it never made sense (it also seems to just be Fantasy 40K, where as Old World actually felt like its own individual universe). I would be willing to jump into Old World, but only if they update the models.

@@reloadded2959 I have my doubts about that. I might not give GW any money, but I still pay attention to what they do. TOW is effectively being handled by a skeleton crew, consisting of about three to five people from the Forge World studio, with a shoestring budget to boot. The odds of them producing new stuff or phasing out the metal stuff in the quantities they need to isn't likely to happen for years. Fantasy has a higher barrier to entry than 40k, but that doesn't mean it has to be impossible to enter for new comers. TOW needs to make those accessibility avenues available for both new and old players if it wants to succeed in the long run, but GW seems to show little regard to doing that. As I said, itll just be second grave until GW dedicates real resources to it, and puts some actually care and thought into it. It's worth mentioning that this is sort of why AoS ultimately found a level of sustainability. AoS is 40k wearing the skin of Fantasy, and it's treated as such. Mechanically, setting/story-wise, and commercially. That last one is particularly important because it provides a lot of convenient onboarding points for new players or existing players looking to expand (ie Combat Patrols/Vanguard boxes provide complete vertical slice of factions, Warcry/Kill team provide smaller - albeit - different games that allow people to build up familiarity with some of the more daunting aspects of the hobby). Compare that to how TOW is currently being handled. You can buy the two big $200+/300+ boxes comprised mostly of 2 decade old models, or you can buy the old battalion boxes at $100+/200+ a pop - which, while not necessarily bad, are again, comprised mostly of older models and also lack the HQ and flashy centerpiece models that make Combat Patrol/Vangaurd boxes functional vertical samples.

I've worked in the industry a long time and can 100% confirm this phenomenon.

And it could be that since it has been unavailable for so long they've just moved on. I would have liked certain figure ranges but if they were available now, I'm now moved in a different direction. Also, if you have certain figures, do you have the entire line that I need or just a package or two? Because if you don't have all that I need, then I'm no better off than I was when the figures weren't available.

that has about zero chance of happening.

I wish!

Did they spend any time doing this other than in the narrative? I don't feel like they actually diverted any production resources to this (I could be wrong)?

Also GW: We’re double the prices, halving the model range and creating another arm variation for a Space Marine Captain.

I mean if you think about it..... building a warhammer army is just piecing together dlc. We love dlc

Exactly! Gotta stay humble!

You seems to be a marketing genius lol (no).

GW's trend of reimagining old models had me hopeful for a Morghur glow up. The gibbering congregation was my favorite thing in the last battletome. The primordial chaos of BoC seems like such fertile ground to get weird with the range which GW has done (to a degree) in AOS. Kingdom Death/ Dark Souls/ Carpenter's The Thing weird.

Blackrock has 3% of shares they dont control the company. 100% chud detector when i see someone say blackrock controls gw lol

New releases sell at a HUGE rate, compared to let's say, 6 year old stormcast models that no one is buying. I'm really struggling to understand the point you are trying to make.

@@lordsofwargamesandhobbies3905 Yes, but does this mean it is acceptable to stop having rules for previously sold models as well as stop selling the models? It costs next to nothing to produce digital rules for discontinued models but they want to force you to abandon figures and only purchase new stuff. Imagine if car manufacturers were allows to stop producing auto parts for cars already sold? The US had to have laws requiring companies to maintain parts and not force people into new cars. GW operates with how to screw over customers and force them to keep buying more and more instead of inspiring them to buy more because the new stuff is nicer. They can support the old stuff through rules even if they're not going to manufacture old products again. They choose to be jerks about it and then want people to not complain about it. Just doesn't work that way.

They are making rules for those models and the rules will just be legends. Same as the heresy models for 40k or the previous legend models for AoS. Can’t use them at tournaments but everywhere other form of play is fine. What’re you even saying?​@@ColonelHoganStalag13

@@lordsofwargamesandhobbies3905I lost half my standing army because of that decision. Why would you buy more models when you have enough to field an army. Your talking sales POV and a bad POV it is

People are also demanding that the factions be balanced within a system, and that units within a faction are both balanced and unique. So it’s not just a matter of pooping out a digital rule set for a given unit, it’s the ongoing effort of trying to juggle all these units/factions and keep them playable. I wonder if it would have made a difference if GW said “Ok, we’re discontinuing production of UnitX, and no longer supporting them with rules in the next edition, BUT... UnitX will officially be acceptable as proxies for the following currently supported units.” ?

It’s only Minority Report to believe those marketing people will be 100% accurate. Mistakes happen. Large retailers make mistakes. Small shops make mistakes. When someone makes a mistake, and then tries to stop the financial bleeding, that’s when GW fans start raging that something got cancelled

I think you should get a badge for #1 fan of lords

Once again, your issue is more with modern large capitalist corporations and the structure of our economy than it is with GW specifically. Everything is ultimately about chasing short term profits. That is it. Period.

They are making a call on what the market will bear in terms of their activities. Literally free market economics, which someone with the handle of USALibertarian should adore. If customers don't like it, they will spend elsewhere, GW will get the signal and have to adjust. If the customer base is fine with it and keep spending money, GW will keep doing it. And the "consolidating rules" comment; if they kept producing rules for every unit they've ever made, the Space Marine codex would be the size of a Tolkien novel. And everyone who complains about balance now would be enraged that they didn't playtest every unit combination in the codex against every other combination in other armies. Given that, it's a lose-lose, people are used to model ranges shrinking, so they chose the line that makes them more money. Easy choice for a corporation who's sole goal is creating profit for shareholders.

​@@Harby000"billion dollar rules company just can't do it" 🤡🤡🤡

@@Ed-ss1uh It's a free market, if the customer base does not give the incentive (aka revenue pressure) to alter the behaviour, they won't. Corporations are not your friend

@@Harby000 That's a excellent observation I'm glad you know. Now let's look at recent examples of how that works with woke disney movie flops or failed triple A titles, they all fail. People have and will vote with their wallets, until the Blackrocks and vanguard investments run out and hurt the bottom line, you will always have movement that will be critical to that radical ideology that promotes division under guise of progress. Go ahead and shill for company that just panderd to you ideology because it tweeted out retcon in the worst way possible.