"Giannis Is a BETTER Passer Than Jokic!"

"Giannis Is a BETTER Passer Than Jokic!" - Reacting To Hot Takes

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Your latest batch of NBA hot takes have arrived! Is Giannis a better passer than Jokic? Has Carmelo Anthony become underrated? Would the Pistons be better without Monty Williams?
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#basketball #nba #commentary
0:00 Intro
0:35 Best EC since the 1900s?
0:58 GG Jackson All-Star projection
2:14 Doc Rivers/James Harden NBA Finals collision
3:06 The Lakers STILL have a chance!
3:44 Giannis is just as talented of a passer as.. Jokic??
4:55 Wembanyama top ten by next season?
5:45 The Spurs should target Russell Westbrook
6:15 PJ Washington could be a "key piece" career guy
8:02 "Carmelo Anthony has become underrated"
9:55 Players like Trae Young CANNOT be a #1 guy
12:12 The Timberwolves are pretenders!
13:55 Franz Wagner is Orlando's best player
15:08 Bam Adebayo is perpetually underrated on defense
15:59 The Pistons would have 25+ wins without Monty Williams
17:00 Outro

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@Tomtainius 4 ай бұрын

Giannis does so many things better than Jokic does, and vice versa. Why on earth would somebody choose passing of all the game’s aspects to argue for Giannis? 😂

@tdsm99 4 ай бұрын

Bucks fans are bored

@QW22312 4 ай бұрын

He's not on Jokic's level, but he's a lot closer than people think, especially this season.

@drakevick1646 4 ай бұрын

I don’t even think Bucks fans think that. I think it’s something of Kendrick Perkin’s nature, if you know what I mean 👨🏻‍🦳

@Dr.J42 4 ай бұрын

@@QW22312They’re both so good.

@sir.muffiniii7011 4 ай бұрын

@@drakevick1646ion even think he would say that

@handeggchan1057 4 ай бұрын

Giannis is a better passer, but Jokic is in turn a better defender and better at speaking Greek.

@sir.muffiniii7011 4 ай бұрын

😭😭😭

@IknowMoreThanYou 4 ай бұрын

that is a factually false statement. Giannis performs far better with the bench players, performs better with the starters and has THE HIGHEST PLUS MINUS BY FAR out of the 2 when the starters are on without him. He's the better defender, assists at a higher ratio to passes made. Go look it up Etc. The jokic propaganda era is OVER

@handeggchan1057 4 ай бұрын

@@IknowMoreThanYou you didn't even provide proof that he can speak better Greek than Jokic...curious

@sir.muffiniii7011 4 ай бұрын

@@IknowMoreThanYou he’s joking bro

@roryfahy4568 4 ай бұрын

@@IknowMoreThanYoudamn that's a hotter take than Giannis being a better passer than jokic😱

@sheharnaeem6198 4 ай бұрын

Lmao @ that one guy who listed Steve Nash as an example of someone who was high volume and "not highly efficient".

@TheGeorgeD13 4 ай бұрын

Yeah Nash has the most 50/40/90 seasons ever lol

@Cynsham 4 ай бұрын

It's crazy cause Steve Nash is literally one of the most efficient shooters of all time. Nash is one of only 2 players in NBA history to shoot multiple 50/40/90 seasons. Kevin Durant did it twice and Nash did it FOUR TIMES.

@2xgav 4 ай бұрын

Very funny considering nash was the opposite. High efficiency not enough volume

@mekacrab 2 ай бұрын

That person clearly didn't know what they were talking about, their examples were terrible.

@nonamemcnobody2119 4 ай бұрын

Giannis is a crazy underrated passer by casual fans, he makes some pretty insane passes on the regular. But comparing him to Jokic is like saying a guy who won a couple silver medals in the Olympics is just as good as Michael fucking Phelps.

@IknowMoreThanYou 4 ай бұрын

This statement turns you into a casual fan. Because you're not discerning enough to understand jokics passing is a combination of natural ability and Mike Malone's motion offense. The players around jokic are NON stop cutting. This is NOT accidental. Malone began this with Cousins in Sacramento but he didn't have all the personnel he needed. He built that in DENVER. If you replace jokic with Giannis as the fulcrum in Denver you'll see IDENTICAL PERFORMANCE because EVERYONE IS WHERE THEY'RE supposed to be. Both jokic and Giannis are equally adept at passing players open, but jokic is more comfortable as a pass first player. But to act as if Giannis is some "decent, just underrated " passer is rubbish, and has you arguing against magic, Jason Kidd, isah Thomas, Jason Terry and Kobe. Luka is a more gifted passer than both Giannis and jokic anyway. Overly reluctant for his skill level? Yes but he's still better than them both.

@nonamemcnobody2119 4 ай бұрын

@IknowMoreThanYou when did I say he was just decent? Giannis one of the best passing big men of all time?

@uuh4yj43 4 ай бұрын

@@IknowMoreThanYou jokic's passing is more effective in that kind of offense because he can play from the outside, drawing attention and pass for layups(the most efficient shot) while also playing inside and passing for 3s, giannis collapses the defense inside and makes it harder for his teammayes to score there. his vision is also very clearly better than giannis. giannis ran point in milwaukee in a heliocentric offense before, for a season, next season when they tried it again they changed how they cover him and he became a less effective offensive creator for his teammates but a much better scorer. right now giannis is having a renaissance as a offensive hub but he still isnt as accurate as jokic or neither can he leverage it the same way due to him being a slasher. i love giannis i think he is as good a player as jokic just not as good a passer.

@moratatata 4 ай бұрын

@@IknowMoreThanYou and now i am going to end your point in one sentence, Michael Malone doesn't coach Nuggets offense at all and it's a known fact, the little bald guy that is sitting next to him is the Nuggets offense coach 🤣🤣

@iggysup 4 ай бұрын

Dude, Giannis doesn't need people claiming he is a Jokic level passer for him to be a fucking beast. Pretty confident that Giannis with joker passing is just the goat lol

@sir.muffiniii7011 4 ай бұрын

Nah he’s just Wilt that one season he led the league in assists

@askefn 4 ай бұрын

That was probably just dump off passes tho haha @@sir.muffiniii7011

@za5528 4 ай бұрын

Yeah. That'd be a 7-foot athletic freak, all-time defender, all-time rim scorer and driver, with all-time passing

@IamnotfromUSA 4 ай бұрын

@@sir.muffiniii7011 so 1967 the only time he won vs Celtics?

@sir.muffiniii7011 4 ай бұрын

@@IamnotfromUSA sure

@Jeff_2x 4 ай бұрын

God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob that Giannis Jokic take is the WORST take I’ve ever seen.

@GriffinK10 4 ай бұрын

@@IknowMoreThanYouI hope you know you just said a whole ton of gibberish with cherry-picked random stats and grammar mistakes that make figuring out what tf your 12yo ass is saying

@comebackkid5976 4 ай бұрын

@@GriffinK10man brought up all that bs to say nothing it ain propaganda its watching the game Jokic is a better passer no debate 😭😭😭

@zsomborszigeti6797 4 ай бұрын

You must not look at many comment sections then, there is a take like that in like any 10th comment on every video of a not solely analytical basketball channel.

@johnsnow04 4 ай бұрын

NBA Twitter is repeating that one for quite a few days lol

@rayneozier 4 ай бұрын

Yeah that was a terrible take.

@evanwrenn402 4 ай бұрын

Harden is one of the most efficient high volume scorers of all time lol

@daviesugo7641 4 ай бұрын

Harden was stopped by the Durant Warriors. Pple give that excuse to LeBron but make fun of Harden for it.

@daviesugo7641 4 ай бұрын

He was stupid for asking for the CP3 trade tho.

@drumusic5665 4 ай бұрын

@@daviesugo7641because LeBron played like a superstar every game. James Harden had some of the worst 4th quarter stats you will see in a playoff series

@uuh4yj43 4 ай бұрын

@@drumusic5665lebron played great, but he got 4-0 and harden went 7 averaging 38. like dont discredit him too much he couldve been champion if they didnt miss every 3pointer that last stretch...

@joel8692 4 ай бұрын

@@daviesugo7641 it's because hardens terrible shooting in the 4th quarter was the main reason for them losing

@requiemforameme1 4 ай бұрын

Put some respect on the 1900s Eastern Conference. Orville and Wilbur Wright dunked from the free throw line at Kitty Hawk, and that pre-show by Rachmaninoff was more fire than the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory. 🔥

@sir.muffiniii7011 4 ай бұрын

Yeah and that ECF with France and Germany was CRAZY

@johnwiese6760 4 ай бұрын

The pre show rach is a crazy reference (goat composer)

@IknowMoreThanYou 4 ай бұрын

They don't know about dat rachman but them otha bois was bumpin liszt like EFF the wrights

@yungtago9161 4 ай бұрын

Bucks fans saw that one clip of Giannis making a great pass vs the Hornets and started talking crazy. Giannis is a fine passer for his role but Jokic literally just decides some games to barely shoot the ball and get 15+ assists by simply passing his teammates open

@IknowMoreThanYou 4 ай бұрын

Hey guess what that is a factually false statement. Giannis performs far better with the bench players, performs better with the starters and has THE HIGHEST PLUS MINUS BY FAR out of the 2 when the starters are on without him. He's the better defender, assists at a higher ratio to passes made. If Giannis passed the ball as frequently as jokic, he would average 2 apg MORE THAN JOKIC. bucks fans have known this for YEARS. the rest of the world is finding this out now. EVEN WITH GIANNIS TEAMMATES messing his passes he's MORE EFFICIENT AT IT THAN JOKIC Etc. The jokic propaganda era is OVER

@winter9242 4 ай бұрын

@@IknowMoreThanYou drop the source or cap

@noobgun12 4 ай бұрын

@@winter9242 he wont

@Big_Spicy 4 ай бұрын

@@winter9242 They are just looking for a excuse to put jokic down on the poll on MVP

@yungtago9161 4 ай бұрын

@@IknowMoreThanYou First off, some of these just straight up aren't true lmao. The nuggets starting lineup has statistically been the best in the league and has a higher plus minus, than the bucks starters. Jokic also has a greater on/off swing individually than Giannis. Secondly, the reason Jokic passes more is because he has better passing vision and can pass through tighter windows. Your argument is basically the equivalent of saying "Daniel Gafford is a better inside scorer than Giannis because he has a higher field goal percentage, Giannis just shoots more." If Giannis was the level of passer you claim, he'd have probably about 4 championships right now. A consistent theme in the Bucks playoff struggles has been Giannis' inabiliy to overcome "the wall" defense and an offense that is very stagnant and ISO heavy, both of these would be pretty easily countered if Giannis was a Jokic-level passer.

@TheGayling2 4 ай бұрын

People talk about prime Melo like he would be a superstar in today’s game when in reality he’d probably just be a slightly juiced up version of Tobias Harris 😭

@uuh4yj43 4 ай бұрын

i think the point made in the video isnt right tho, dirk was very much a scorer only, and he won, went to the finals two times. the archetype isnt the problem, melo just wasnt that good.

@TimDaGoof 4 ай бұрын

@@uuh4yj43lol bout 90% of the leagues players would say otherwise, his problem was being money hungry so couldn’t surround him with other quality players besides amare who was injury prone

@TimDaGoof 4 ай бұрын

You definitely tripping 🤣 Melo would average 30 in todays game easily

@uuh4yj43 4 ай бұрын

@@TimDaGoof he was for sure a bucket but he wasn't enough of a scorer where doing nothing else benefitted having him on a team. lots of other players had a lot more success with budget teams because they could score 25-30 AND run offense or defend.

@uuh4yj43 4 ай бұрын

@@TimDaGoof and still wouldnt get past conference finals

@markocurcic6314 4 ай бұрын

Giannis a better passer than Jokic? Okay Jokic is a better rim protector than Giannis. And one to go, Jokic has a darker skin tone. I can keep this shit going.

@hoopsdebriefed8180 4 ай бұрын

Your Carmelo take was spot on and I been arguing that for years.

@lukyshot248 4 ай бұрын

What’s funny is Trae Young has been much improved defensively this year but once you get the “bad defender” label slapped on you it never goes away no matter how much better you get.

@EonArashi 4 ай бұрын

He’s better, but still ass. He went from “inarguably the worst defender in the league” to “bad, but it could be worse”.

@lukyshot248 4 ай бұрын

@@EonArashi Tell me you haven’t watched Trae Young this season without saying that.

@comebackkid5976 4 ай бұрын

It’s just like Luka he’s been solid on defense this year

@uuh4yj43 4 ай бұрын

he just doesnt have the tools to affect much on that end, he is weak with a neutral wingspan. effort goes a long way towards not being a detriment on that side, but he does have ways to improve still. the hawks are so bad at defense tho that you wouldnt notice even if trae became marcus smart...

@vfgoditachyyy8446 4 ай бұрын

Giannis is a super underrated passer tho. Nobody even mentions that part of his game despite him averaging the same amount of assists as SGA. Sure it‘s more than just assists, but if you watch he is one of the best big man passers of all time. 2nd best big man passer in my book.

@Renegade-kf8fp 4 ай бұрын

💀

@TiredOfthisstuff 4 ай бұрын

Hell no, he gets a lot of assists because he IS stupid Dominant on the Paint so he leaves a lot of Defenders open for easy passes on open teamates, but nikola is legit top 5 passer of all time,

@HopefulNihilist 4 ай бұрын

Giannis is not even the second best Passing big men in todays League. Let alone all time.

@wilchan9931 4 ай бұрын

if you wanna make a "giannis is underrated", don't bring jokic to that shit. he and his fans don't care about giannis.

@angahbg9089 4 ай бұрын

Marc Gasol,Arvydas and Domantas,Bill Walton,Webber. Thats 5 who people can argue over Giannis...

@Bobsyagod 4 ай бұрын

I feel like if Franz didn't miss a whole heap of games with injury, Paolo wouldn't have made the allstar. He had a patch where he was single handedly getting them over the line and looked amazing, but it wasn't a sustainable level of great play, and when Franz is there, he's no where near as dominant.

@sir.muffiniii7011 4 ай бұрын

I still think Paolo has been great and prolly would’ve made it

@nuparuchi 4 ай бұрын

on bam adebayo, I think people rate blocks much too highly because it's one of the few defensive counting stats. Blocks can be absolutely pivotal when they're stopping a shot that would have gone in (especially when you're helping out another defender) but there are also blocks that demonstrate bad defense (like you gave up a good shot and the only reason it was stopped was because of the block. Obviously the block in those situations are good but they aren't really demonstrating good defense because you won't get that block every time). Not really easy to fix without getting into much more complicated stats but I do think it's a good thing to keep in mind. That being said I think that very little of this applies to wembanyama, from what I've seen practically all of his blocks are a demonstration of how much space he can take up on the court, and with all the times he's helping out another defender those actually are a pretty good demonstration of his defensive talent.

@brod1998 4 ай бұрын

Paolo has been great this season

@jayceontaylor6049 4 ай бұрын

Giannis is not on Jokić’s level as a passer, that’s a Jok

@calvincox5565 4 ай бұрын

Lmfaooooo 😂

@IknowMoreThanYou 4 ай бұрын

@chilldoc9638 4 ай бұрын

@@IknowMoreThanYou🤡

@chilldoc9638 4 ай бұрын

@@IknowMoreThanYougiannis passes are run to the paint and pass to open man cause he gets defenders in the paint If jokic was as ball dominant as giaanis he'd have even more assists, and assists are a terrible way to determine anything since assists depend on if the person you pass it to makes the shot

@apostolostvable 4 ай бұрын

Bucks fans know that Jokic is an all time great passer, no serious person would argue Gianni's a better passer. But giannis is a very good passer in his own right

@williamli6200 4 ай бұрын

No, he is not. his passes don't make opponents worry so much that keeps defenders away from him, while Joker's passes are so dangerous that defenders have to stay with other players in Nuggets.

@Alex-vy1wm 4 ай бұрын

Ty for the harden respect. His prime aligned w one of the greatest teams ever.

@matthieusaade3616 4 ай бұрын

And he flammed out in SPECTACULAR FASHION . 😂

@blazefactor6849 4 ай бұрын

@@matthieusaade3616 I mean yeah, he tried to play through a major injury during the playoffs and never looked the same again.

@mekacrab 2 ай бұрын

Yeah but if you miss 27 threes in a row it doesn't matter if you're up against the greatest team of all time or a G League team, you're cooked.

@kostastube2010 4 ай бұрын

Jokic is the only player in the same conversation with Magic and Larry Bird for passing. Head and shoulders above Lebronze and CP3.

@joel8692 4 ай бұрын

Nash , kid

@Matchumv2 4 ай бұрын

I honestly think that Grayson Allen can act as an Aaron Gordon level player for a contender

@goodprince5327 3 ай бұрын

WoW, spoken like a casual in that Jokic Giannis segment. I thought you knew ball my boy, lol

@Miles_305 4 ай бұрын

What Wemby is doing on the defensive end is insane BUT I still believe that blocks are the most desperate defensive play in all of basketball. There are so many opportunities to stop a player before it gets to that point...so yeah, a player that can shut down or at least play great D on 1 through 5 needs way more love.

@august6281 4 ай бұрын

as a Giannis fan since his year 2, this take is NUTS. His passes are on the level of Westbrook, mostly kick and drive.

@uuh4yj43 4 ай бұрын

thats just because thats the plays he can leverage his passing on, he scores inside it makes sense, he doesnt even have a lob target on his team. i think he just needs to improve his playmaking out of the post and he goes up to the upper echelon of playmaker. lebron was also a drive and kick passer early on he went to the next level when his jumper and post game leveled up(im not arguing giannis has the same passing ability as lebron mind you, its just how they use their passing).

@This_World_Aint_For_The_Weak 4 ай бұрын

Stop using as a Giannis fan nonsense. Well, as a Jokic fan, this is absolutely right. Giannis doesn't get enough credit.

@rayneozier 4 ай бұрын

15:53 I’m a big fan of Bam. I agree he’s a terrific defender. And it’s unfortunate that he might not ever win DPOY. But neither did Tim Duncan. 8 First Team All Defensive selections and no DPOY.

@kostastube2010 4 ай бұрын

Giannis as good as Jokic in passing??? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@youngmelo1841 4 ай бұрын

I've seen Giannis slap Harden in the face with the ball trying to make a pass Jokic made with his left hand

@xeonbladev18 4 ай бұрын

You're just exposing yourself as a casual highlight watcher that doesn't watch giannis actually play. bringing up a years old clip instead of the several amazing passes he makes every game (some that jokic wouldn't even be able to make because he cant even move as fast as giannis does driving and kicking out cross court)

@youngmelo1841 4 ай бұрын

@@xeonbladev18 am I lying tho?

@youngmelo1841 4 ай бұрын

@@xeonbladev18 Giannis passes to open teammates. Jokic pass teammates open. They aren't on the same level my guy

@xeonbladev18 4 ай бұрын

@@youngmelo1841 lying about what? I’m saying it’s irrelevant and proves you don’t watch bucks games. Am I lying about that?

@xeonbladev18 4 ай бұрын

@@youngmelo1841 the gap in their passing is wayyyyy smaller than the gap in their defense and scoring.

@yankeefederer1994 4 ай бұрын

If Giannis could pass like Jokic, he'd be in GOAT territory. That's akin to Curry's shooting abilities to LeBron.

@joel8692 4 ай бұрын

No Giannis would still need a more consistent mid range game

@thanosduckplease 4 ай бұрын

why isnt rudy editing anymore? also am i stupid but who is nick. Im a big fan of the channel ive been watching you for years ever since that video on how the celtics almost lost larry bird but idk who nick is

@za5528 4 ай бұрын

Wemby switched from PF to C and the Spurs stopped playing Sochan as PG in mid-December, around 30 games ago. In his last 30 games, Wemby per 36 is averaging 29-13-5 with 2 stl and 4 blk on 49-36-83 shooting! 36% on 7 3pt attempts a game (39% on 7 3pa in his last 20). And he's good at the stuff rookies are usually bad at: high efficiency, fouls very little for an impact defender (just 2 fouls per 36), positive assist to turnover ratio, gets to the line a lot (7 FT per 36). That's NUTS. Imagine how good he could be as a 2nd year player. Imagine if that comes with the Spurs putting a quality PG and shooters around him!

@khalilrules100 4 ай бұрын

bam cannot retire without a dpoy

@zrmike6134 4 ай бұрын

Bam will either win one or none DPOYS in his career and even then will go down as one of the most underrated defenders of all time

@tajmula671 4 ай бұрын

that clips v buck finals should have happened in 2021

@gugga2745 4 ай бұрын

russ to the spurs is a great last choice if hes available

@chrisshafer5701 4 ай бұрын

I will maintain that Bam gets way too much crap from some NBA fans, considering that he always elevates his game when it counts the most. He was the best player for the Heat in the '23 Finals (not a knock on Jimmy, I think the dude was just gassed from his historic run), especially Game 5.

@Magic-dk1xe 4 ай бұрын

its even funnier cause giannis is a pretty amazing passer😂

@Jeff_2x 4 ай бұрын

They talking bout Carmelo underrated but Harden really the underrated one

@josephmatthews7698 4 ай бұрын

If Giannis is a better passer. Me and Jokic both are better dunkers.

@ericlisboa8860 4 ай бұрын

Dallas final missing piece is firing Jason Kidd

@davidc.lalnelawma4776 4 ай бұрын

Maybe CP3 deserves Monty's coach of the year

@user-xe7dh8gy1h Ай бұрын

PJ is now in the finals

@dimelo58 3 ай бұрын

Joker is in the magic steve nash jason kid lebron jason Williams conversation of passing freak is not that

@memetoze4291 4 ай бұрын

Same I don't think Paolo and Barnes should've been all-stars

@user-we2ik6qs9c 4 ай бұрын

hot take: the NBA robbed Jokic in 2020, he should won DPOY instead of Giannis

@TiredOfthisstuff 4 ай бұрын

I think they robbed jokic out of the ballon d'oro in that year too,

@zanturk9997 4 ай бұрын

Better examples for Trae comparison would be Nash or CP3 with bad defense..

@mekacrab 2 ай бұрын

They really don't have the same game at all though. Nash and CP3 are like pure PGs, Trae is like a pass-first scoring PG. And they don't play nearly the same way.

@zanturk9997 2 ай бұрын

@@mekacrab but we aint talking about play stile but more ability to win...

@christopherlawson2606 4 ай бұрын

That take was bad, and I think giannis is the 2nd greatest paaing bigman ever, behind jokic alone but saying giannis would have multiple chips if he had jokic's passing and jokic would have none with giannis's passing is really a testament to how no one ever really sat down and saw the amount of passes and wide open finds giannis gives out just for teammates to brick. The value giannis brings with his playmaking is almost as good as his defensive value

@jalenwalking 4 ай бұрын

It's actually insane how many open opportunities Giannis generates only for someone like Pat Connaughton to brick a corner 3

@jonnstewart2023 4 ай бұрын

He's not a better passer than Marc gasol

@youngmelo1841 4 ай бұрын

Giannis passes to open teammates, Jokic passes to teammates being defended and still leads to a score

@Fro00ot0 4 ай бұрын

Jokic passes people open. Giannis passes to open people, just to have them miss. Its not the same.

@xeonbladev18 4 ай бұрын

becuase his teammates are clearly better. Why else would you write that like giannis passing to open teammates vs jokic passing to defended ones would ever not be the optimal option. Jokic teammates scoring while being defended is not because of the pass. Its what happens after the pass since they are literally defended when they get the ball in your assumption

@gamefreak2050 4 ай бұрын

The title take itself isn’t just hot, it’s a half eaten ham and cheese sandwich that’s been left in your gym bag with your unwashed socks in the trunk of your car all the way through summer hot

@gamefreak2050 4 ай бұрын

Or Mila Kunis hot, take your pick

@Didntknowyoucouldchangethis 4 ай бұрын

His passing has always been great, but his team mates capitalizing....😅

@vitalgodxd4569 4 ай бұрын

Jokic would also have more than one championship if he played above average defence

@bossg2817 3 ай бұрын

what if the Bucks play like the Nuggets...

@ROY57ON 4 ай бұрын

Isn't Lebron "That Guy" who got swept by the Nuggets last playoffs. 🤐

@_tuss1731 4 ай бұрын

Bam is a super underrated defender but I would take AD and Gobert over him and within a couple years wemby and maybe Chet will be better

@allank8497 4 ай бұрын

Giannis is much closer to Jokic as a playmaker than he is as a passer. A lot of Jokic’s passing isn’t really thaaaat incredible of pure playmaking. It’s like hitting cutters or exploiting defensive breakdowns and stuff, rather than always attracting extra defenders and then hitting the open man; ie. *creating* open teammate shots. He still does create shots a lot for some of his playmaking, it’s just that pretty much all of Giannis playmaking is him creating teammate shots.

@juliocezar7565 4 ай бұрын

The last 2 Years Media quote.....''Jokic is all time top10 already''...One Thing i Know Giannis have ''THE BEST CLOSEOUT FINAL GAME WITH 50.....MVP&DPOY the same year 2020 only MJ and Hakeem have this....All Star MVP...''......This 3 take Giannis over Jokic.....and for the NBA Media and Fans...Giannis is around 24-28 Spot of NBA top75 list..MC drop

@juliocezar7565 4 ай бұрын

Sorry and Points Giannis 18.009-Joker 13.585........Dont Push Jokic I have him under Kawhi(39 spot of all time) in my Book.....So Giannis is 26 and Joker 40 spot of all time....but both this Year are Great......and for Kawhi Fans 33 Years old with only 13.597 points....get out of here

@mekacrab 2 ай бұрын

@@juliocezar7565 Incoherent rambling. Learn to make a proper sentence. Also you don't know ball if you're putting Giannis 14 spots ahead of Jokic.

@juliocezar7565 2 ай бұрын

Who are you man you are no one... Giannis is Great player but is BLACK...

@mekacrab 2 ай бұрын

@@juliocezar7565 I don't know if you're a 12 year old kid or a demented old man.

@jysprk7395 4 ай бұрын

Jokic might no joke be the best passer ever. There isn’t anyone better than him in the league except maybe Trae and hali

@joel8692 4 ай бұрын

Slow down man .

@jysprk7395 4 ай бұрын

@@joel8692 nope 😭😭 who would you put over him other than magic? Cuz that’s all I can really see

@mekacrab 2 ай бұрын

Well in the league yeah, but I don't know about all time. I would easily put him above Stockton for obvious reasons, but I guess Magic is better.

@user-jc3pl3de8b 4 ай бұрын

If you want to say something giannis is better at than jokic say dunking and defense not passing lmao

@Renegade-kf8fp 4 ай бұрын

There is no one in the nba that is on Patrick Mahomes level since 2018

@godenhwang2603 3 ай бұрын

Jokic and Giannis are so different and have such different pros and cons. So why would you try to take what Jokic is clearly better at and argue with that?

@Drcoconut4777 4 ай бұрын

“Giannis is a better passer than Jokic” tell me you’ve never watched basketball ever in your life without telling me you’ve never watched basketball in your life

@luke8837 4 ай бұрын

Better passer is not debatable. Better player though there is 100% a debate

@Tomtainius 4 ай бұрын

You’re acting like that isn’t a completely valid take. The two of them are pretty comfortably sitting as the top two in the league. If you have Jokic at no.1 that’s completely fair, but don’t act like Giannis isn’t in the same tier with strong arguments to put him at the top.

@d3va383 4 ай бұрын

jokic is easily a better passer, but Giannis 100% has an argument to be seen as a better player.

@Tesfai777 4 ай бұрын

Giannis is not the better player

@antinapay 4 ай бұрын

Defense: Giannis Offense: Jokic

@greatalexander6489 4 ай бұрын

John Stockton after Magic

@mekacrab 2 ай бұрын

Hahah no. Stockton farmed more assists but Jokic is a better playmaker, I guarantee you

@zsomborszigeti6797 4 ай бұрын

10:00 did my guy just call Steve Nash not highly efficient? He and Steph are easily the two most efficient perimeter plyers in NBA history wtf is this guy on about?

@8345brothers 4 ай бұрын

Anthony Davis is one of the best defenders the NBA has ever seen and no one ever talks about him for DPOY 🥱

@mekacrab 2 ай бұрын

He's defending the bench for half his career lol

@enanebres6481 4 ай бұрын

23K 23h 110K subs

@NotVeryGudGamer 4 ай бұрын

The Gianni’s take had me speechless

@YoungST20 4 ай бұрын

He makes all of the same passes, but just doesn’t get credit for the assists because his teammates don’t make shots

@This_World_Aint_For_The_Weak 4 ай бұрын

What makes me speechless is how much y'all hate Giannis.

@mekacrab 2 ай бұрын

@@YoungST20 No he doesn't... And btw, Jokic's teammates also miss shots you know. It's not so black and white.

@_i_a_n_ 4 ай бұрын

Idk, I agree with luka magic.. Giannis passing underrated

@YoungST20 4 ай бұрын

If his teammates actually made shots when he passed in the ball Giannis average the same assists as Jokić Actually, I would love to see a stat that shows how many times he passes the ball game and dudes miss wide-open shots from the pass Also, Jokić assists get spiked every game .. his teammates take 3-4 gerbils after a pass, and he still gets credit for an assist

@mekacrab 2 ай бұрын

If Jokic's teammates actually made shots when he passed the ball he would also average more... Such a dumb comment.

@kirkiedakingpin 4 ай бұрын

Steph Curry is almost everything just said. And a champion

@lrkcm373 4 ай бұрын

There’s just been a lot of disrespect towards Giannis this season because the Bucks haven’t had as much success as people expected, spawning some delusional takes in response. Which isn’t fair considering the Giannis Dame duo was created only like 2 weeks before the season started, with a first time head coach that wasn’t getting the job done. That’s more on the organization, but because of it, Giannis gets no love despite having another MVP caliber season.

@spojsvojs 4 ай бұрын

Give Pistons to Zeljko Obradovic and in 5 seasons they are champions

@matthieusaade3616 4 ай бұрын

My take : Once he retires, LeBron will not be in the goat convo for long . All the media people pushing for his case 24/7 will stop and the emphasis will be on his many flaws and failures instead of his cumulative stats achievements

@mekacrab 2 ай бұрын

That would actually be good, but I feel like it won't be the case because people tend to underestimate what Jordan did as time passes. In 10 to 20 years, the 90s will be so far back that I wouldn't be surprised if people acted like Jordan isn't the GOAT at all (assuming no newer player become actually better).

@duallancers001 4 ай бұрын

@ ThatGuyAfro I'll take *that* bet for $100

@cameron7202 4 ай бұрын

I’m so over revisionist history on Harden. He literally took one of the greatest teams EVER to 7 and lost it close because of a historic shooting anomaly

@joel8692 4 ай бұрын

They lost because they couldn't hit a 3 to save there life. Harden played terrible in multiple 4th quarters in that series after playing great all series so he basically choked.

@mekacrab 2 ай бұрын

It's not really revisionist, it's just that the Rockets having a historic meltdown in that last game and Harden not really showing up in an elimination game (like pretty much always) was the lasting image that everyone remembers. People don't really care about that time where you ALMOST beat the best team ever, they only care about the result. People were trashing him at the time, so it's not revisionist history.

@leonbrumett6155 4 ай бұрын

The Giannis take is crazy, don’t get me wrong, but I think CP3, Kidd, and LeBron are all also above Jokic as all time passers. People sleep on LeBron’s playmaking somehow, and I’m not entirely convinced he isn’t the best playmaker oat when you factor in scoring gravity. I am not making a definitive statement, but I am saying he should definitely be in the conversation.

@uuh4yj43 4 ай бұрын

cp3 and kidd are insane takes as passers above jokic, kid was very accurate and creative and paul was very smart about his passes, but paul played it wayyyy too safe and that made his passing less impactful and kidd just wasnt enough of a threat to leverage his passes. lebron is probably the closest to jokic, especially as he got over 30 he was much better at creating with his passing, creating much easier shots, his pick and roll passing and post passing became actual weapons, while he also still was enough of a threat to create advantage in a way those two couldnt. jokic still is very impactful tho and he has room to grow, while having elite vision that might be better than lebron's.

@LegitLongevity 4 ай бұрын

Dude there’s no way you knew PJ Washington was going to be any good. As a Hornets fan I’ve been consistently disappointed by him. He goes on short burst of being good just to bottom out. I don’t trust him on the Mavs. The Mavs are my favorite west coast team, with that i hope they’re able to flip PJ for someone better bc he’s overrated

@tokyotalkshoops6291 4 ай бұрын

Why not just make the take giannis is a great passer cuz then it’s actually debatable

@mlrd2687 4 ай бұрын

Jokic is a better passer than the Magic. Many people know it, but they don't dare to say it. I think you are one of them.

@joel8692 4 ай бұрын

Lmaooo

@mekacrab 2 ай бұрын

He's not.

@hoppy23 4 ай бұрын

Westbrook never made it out the dirst round in 3 years as a number 1 and he had pg 13 for 2 od them i agree harden had the talent to win a ring but russ no not as a #1

@Wrestle_Kingdom 4 ай бұрын

So much context is missing

@hoppy23 4 ай бұрын

@jalonmoore481 what? All the context makes brodie look Even worse not better

@TheDesisgarf 4 ай бұрын

I think Monty gets way too much blame for that trash Piston’s team and also Cade is one of the more overrated players in the NBA, he just kinda gets numbers because “someone” has to have the ball in his hands

@chief-long-john 4 ай бұрын

Bron, CP3, Nash, Harden are all notably better passers than Jokic

@mekacrab 2 ай бұрын

Harden isn't. Having more assists doesn't make you a better passer.

@chief-long-john 2 ай бұрын

@@mekacrab yeah I regret saying harden

@jonathansykes4986 4 ай бұрын

Carmelo Anthony is not top 75 to me. He is in between draymond green and klay thompson. Somewhere in the 90s range

@joel8692 4 ай бұрын

Nah melos all time numbers and Olympic accolades def put him there

@mekacrab 2 ай бұрын

@@joel8692 Olympic games shouldn't matter, it's the NBA 75th not the Olympic games.

@moviemania4066 4 ай бұрын

U should 😂 change the title HOT TAKES or HOT STINKING DUMP?

@shafiksunderani4230 4 ай бұрын

If you think Harden is so good, how come he never wins? Or makes a deep run.

@mekacrab 2 ай бұрын

Winning is a combination of a lot more factors than just one player being good.

@RomnysGonzalez 4 ай бұрын

Bam is the best defender in the NBA. He's criminally underrated. People knows and talk about how good he is on defense, but even that fell short of how actually damn fantastic he is on that side of the ball. He got everything. Mobility, shot blocking, switching skill, rebouding, boxing out and then you add the intangibles things like motor,stamina,love for contact and wrestling, while playing really physical and borderline making you feel like he's cheating. Bam is everything Peak Draymond Green was, but BETTER is insane how good he is, He might go down as the best defender ever.

@sir.muffiniii7011 4 ай бұрын

Ok best defender ever is crazy, he hasn’t even won a DPOY yet lol, he’s prolly top 3 but I would take Gobert and AD over him, and next year we might need to discuss Wemby and/or Chet

@marvellis6762 4 ай бұрын

And Durant is much worse... turnover after turnover and there's just no need for it

@richardopiah5107 4 ай бұрын

Not even Pop could get the Pistons 25 wins this year. That team was awful at the beginning of the season and is still bad now.

@crazyturkturk1733 4 ай бұрын

the pistons truly made history with how bad they are and yet, the wizards are still doing worse now. truly a magnificent season

@davidhusari2739 4 ай бұрын

harden is good enough to be the best player on a championship team but he chokes in the playoffs and that’s why he doesn’t have a ring as the best player on a team

@patrick05Morgan 4 ай бұрын

Rudy Gobert has to be the most overrated defender in nba history

@mekacrab 2 ай бұрын

You're gonna tell me that he didn't deserve his DPOYs ? I don't agree

@patrick05Morgan 2 ай бұрын

@@mekacrab analysts are favoring him to win over wemby this year. you think that Rudy gobert should have 4 DPOY awards?

@mekacrab 2 ай бұрын

@@patrick05Morgan I don't know but he's an all time great defender, he's not "overrated". We can argue that maybe someone else could win DPOY, but we can't argue that he is an incredible defender and that he deserved to win several DPOYs. You don't get 3 or more DPOYs by chance, that himself makes him not overrated. Also, he would probably be underrated because of how much hate he gets, people tend to say that he's worse than he actually is. So I don't get the "overrated" comment.

@marcusorr7168 4 ай бұрын

Damn bro, you lost me, on the Bam take... He's not really a special defender at all, he's out of position a lot and loses matchups he should win more often than you want especially from someone we're putting in an all time conversation, stop it, bam is a good defender, not great the league's got that one right

@Berry-ki6bs 4 ай бұрын

Step away from the ludes

@JtheLionheart 4 ай бұрын

Jokic cant be the second best passer ever. Lol hes a great passer out of the post, but his biggest strength is his vision and IQ. In terms of actually passing, he's outside of the top 5. He's not dynamic enough.

@mekacrab 2 ай бұрын

It's not about being flashy though

@JtheLionheart 2 ай бұрын

@@mekacrab dynamic has nothing to do with flash. All of the best passers can do it on the move, out of the post, in structure, out of structure, on the fastbreak, etc...

@mekacrab 2 ай бұрын

@@JtheLionheart First of all, he can do all of those. Second, he's a big man, so do you expect him to make more passes on the move ? You can't expect him to move like Magic Johnson, his style is different, "dynamic" (whatever this means) or not doesn't matter.

@JtheLionheart 2 ай бұрын

@@mekacrabHe can but it's low volume. Like I said, he's a GREAT passer, not top 5 though. It's that simple.

@mekacrab 2 ай бұрын

@@JtheLionheart And your reasoning for that is because he doesn't move like point guards do ? So is every big man excluded from ever being top 5 ? His passing his is biggest tool and makes him and his team an extremely potent offense. He is as much as a threat than Magic or any other top 5 passer was with their respective passing. And he's leading his team to winning, which some other great passers like CP3, Nash, Stockton or whatever couldn't do.

@IknowMoreThanYou 4 ай бұрын

Hey guess what Giannis performs far better with the bench players, performs better with the starters and has THE HIGHEST PLUS MINUS BY FAR out of the 2 when the starters are on without him. He's the better defender, assists at a higher ratio to passes made. If Giannis passed the ball as frequently as jokic, he would average 2 apg MORE THAN JOKIC. bucks fans have known this for YEARS. the rest of the world is finding this out now. EVEN WITH GIANNIS TEAMMATES messing his passes he's MORE EFFICIENT AT IT THAN JOKIC Etc. The jokic propaganda era is OVER

@kurgo_ 4 ай бұрын

Never watched a single nuggets game have you? Lol

@chilldoc9638 4 ай бұрын

NBA fans are so delusional, here's a good example

@mekacrab 2 ай бұрын

Assists per game =/= better passer. Him hitting open teammates when they get left open isn't the same as Jokic getting them open with his passes.

@Quiet704 4 ай бұрын

lebron james retires at 42,069 points

@mekacrab 2 ай бұрын

I might acknowledge him as the goat if he did that lol. But he's not cool enough. Forever number 2.

@fightsports66 4 ай бұрын

James Harden a small guard. Okay I am going to resist the urge to tell any fat jokes but even if you ignore the pudgy body Harden is 6 foot 5 inches tall.

@sir.muffiniii7011 4 ай бұрын

Yeah 6’5 is like an inch below average for the NBA

@mekacrab 2 ай бұрын

@@sir.muffiniii7011 NOT FOR A GUARD !

@sir.muffiniii7011 2 ай бұрын

@@mekacrab for a SG it’s like average

@mekacrab 2 ай бұрын

@@sir.muffiniii7011 yeah maybe, definitely not a small guard

@sir.muffiniii7011 2 ай бұрын

@@mekacrab ya

@GregTurismo 4 ай бұрын

That take on the thumbnail is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. I don’t know if I can even watch the video. I’m sure you agree with me, but I can’t bear to take the risk, Rudy. Your name is Rudy, right?

@tonysobon4669 4 ай бұрын

It was to far to say Giannis is has good as a passer as Jokic , but watch Giannis play this season , he has worked on his passing skills , you can tell he is trying and making harder passes now every game. I will be mad if The MVP race gets super close and Giannis doesn't win . Giannis carries a team through the regular season better then anyone right now , they have to be at the top of most game won in reg season the last 5-6 years. Yeah I looked it up they have the best record over the last 5 years and I think it'd really 6 years. he's avg like 30/15/5 and slightly still improves his game each year. I understand Jokic has dam near the same case but I also do think Giannis should have won it the year they won the title instead of Jokic. or i guess I do not see how they wouldn't be neck and neck.

@evanwrenn402 4 ай бұрын

Franz is way better than Paolo imo. Paolo is one of the most overrated players on the league.