Wow that's interesting :) thanks for sharing! They really want to be formal, so they use every way to do that, even the wrong one. Not their fault, as middle names are mostly an unknown concept, unlike the patronymics. They're just used to the fact that using everything written in your official papers when addressing you is very formal and polite :) I clearly understand that it would be nonsense, and certainly, it wouldn't be worth it, but just to "close the gestalt" (Russian way of saying "to check all the boxes", "to get rid of the burden"), you theoretically can change your middle name to your patronymic :)

Yes, and I like the idea of adopting a patronymic, as an honor to my father. But then what do I do with my middle name?? 😂😂

I don't have a middle name, but I have two last names (I'm half Mexican), and when I was living there and opened up a bank account, they ended up using my first last name as my "patronymic" name even though I told them that I have two last names, and it was clear on my passport that it was two last names 😅

😂👍

Depends on how your arranged your name. Russia is this way имя фамилия Отчества Name, Surname, and other name. Nothing like middle name in Russia....

Mamma

в России женщина не обижается, если к ней обращаются, используя слово девушка. Наоборот ей лестно, что она выглядит моложе своих лет.

Calling someone by full name is very rare and done only in some formal occasions. For example you're sitting in a waiting room with other people and then an official representative comes in to invite you for an appointment. Usually they say the last name first and then first name and patronimic, it's kinda necessary to avoid confusion in case there's someone else with the same last name in the room, especially if this particular last name is very common. In third person, you can use any combination of first name, last name and patronimic, depending on your liking and the level of respect you wanna show to that person. For example: • By the way, Dostoevsky has written a very good book about it! - you're just stating a fact, when talking about a famous person. • By the way, Dostoevsky, Fyodor Mikhailovich, has written a very good book about it! - stating a fact with additional recognition to the person. But the most common is when we use only first and last names and put them in any order we like. • Have you heard that Fyodor Dostoevsky has bought a new car? • Have you heard that Dostoevsky Fyodor has bought a new car? In formal speech, if you're not talking about your peer, you can't use first name without the last name or patronimic, but you can use the last name alone. So the options are: • Dostoevsky • Fyodor Mikhailovich • Fyodor Dostoevsky • Fyodor Mikhailovich Dostoevsky • Dostoevsky Fyodor Mikhailovich If the talk is informal you can use anything depending on context, even informal version of patronimic alone. • Mikhalich (Михалыч is short from Mikhailovich) must be out of his mind to write that!

this is exactly the kind of thing I wanted to know! thank you!

This is grammatically incorrect. Why did you tell him this? 😅

I think it was meant to be, "How do YOU call a stranger in Russian"

I think “call” should be changed to “address,” or the other commentator’s suggestion can work.

My bad! Thank you!

As a native English speaker I would say "How to address a stranger" or "What to call a stranger". How to call made me think be loud and wave them over to me. 😂

That's a bit weird

It depends on your preference, actually. Most of us just come there and say: hello, I need to do this and that, and they ask you: do you have an appointment? If you ain't got one, they just direct you to a barber that isn't busy or will be free to start on your order soon. But you can usually make an appointment with a certain barber if you know one at that place. So that means you can tell them on the phone/by text, that you want to have a haircut/beardtrim done by a particular barber. That's pretty much it

@@randomguyjustpassingby And that implies that grammatical case because?

Well, у меня is very often pretty much the equivalent to 'I have' and к + dative is used here to indicate that you have an appointment 'with somebody' like in 'запись к врачу'. The thing is that often you can't interchange prepositions and cases and the logic behind their application from one language to another, but you have to familiarize yourself with their idiomatic expressions and figure out which can be used in the same way. From there you will then learn to generalize and deduct which grammatical structures can be used when. It is confusing, because it is not a one-to-one mapping (к+dativ also being used as going towards someone or visiting someone etc.).

How,as, like ( looks like).

@@olegpetrovskiy1583 Thank you

1) Как дела? [kak delá] - How's it going? Как ты? [kak ty] - How are you? Как так? [kak tak] - How so? Как ты это сделал? [kak ty ǽto sdélal] - How did you do that? 2) Сделай, как надо! [sdélai kak nádo] - Do as it should be done! Сделай, как хочешь. [sdélai kak hóchesh] - Do as you wish. 3) Сделал, как профи! [sdélal kak prófi] - Did it like a pro! Прыгнул, как кошка. [prу́gnul kak kóshka] - Jumped like a cat. Выглядит, как новый! [vу́gl'adit kak nóvyi] - Looks like a new one!

I actually think that “What to Call a Stranger in Russian,” would be the most grammatically correct.

“How do you address a stranger in Russian” or “How to address a stranger in Russian” also work - to not change the original title too much.

@@respectabletampodcast Yeah, I agree with what you said. At the very least change the typo lol.

Typically first name + patronymic

"Mama' and 'Papa' if you and them really like each other

"Гражданин начальник". or less formal "Коммандир" will do

Товарищь милицонер - is formal 30 year ago, now they called Полицейский.

@@Rus-eq5wnСпасибо!

​@@justinian420 it was informal and is not used. In reality товарищ + rank. Товарищ капитан,товарищ майор and so on.

Обычные люди, штатские, не разбираются в званиях, тем более иностранцы. поэтому такой совет не практичен.@@olegpetrovskiy1583

this word has a diminutive and slightly negative meaning, so you should not use it to address anyone, if you are not dissatisfied with a little girl, or, on the contrary, do not want to emphasize her youth and/or playful character

Thanks. I think I’ve heard women call other women девчонка.

То, что нет общепринятой формы обращения, не значит, что нет культуры уважения. Свалили всё в кучу. Как будто назвал "сэр", и всё, сразу уважаешь. До революции прекрасное обращение было: сударь и сударыня. Но при большевиках все стали товарищами. В других странах таких метаморфоз со кардинальной сменой государственного строя в течение одного столетия не было, поэтому у них всё гладко, сравнивать нет смысла.

Это ваше мнение, почему так категорично? Где же ваша «культура уважения»? 🤔

@@user-ij9ye3ny8m не надо вот только прошлым оправдываться. Важно то,что сейчас. "Товарищ", кстати, когда был, то люди охотно его использовали тоже. (Хотя как по мне, это было больше к мужчине, женщин "товарищем" называли реже). Но даже это свидетельствует, что слова для обращения ВАЖНЫ И НУЖНЫ. Потому что людям приятно их воспринимать. Это некие "социальные поглаживания". Вы же говорите "пожалуйста/спасибо" наверное, хотя тоже могли бы говорить вместо них "принял" или "ок". Наверное потому что так просто вежливо.

@@user-ij9ye3ny8m до революции с этим было еще сложнее. Все эти "милостивые государи", "ваши высокопревосходительства", "ваши светлости" и тому подобное. Причем к людям разных званий надо было по разному обращаться. могли и обидеться, если вместо светлости называли благородием.

Обращение по имени и отчеству, возможно пошло из сельской местности 19го века, где фамилий еще не было.

To speak better, you have to practice speaking. Doesn't have to be speaking to a person, can just speak to yourself. But practice making sentences with the words you do know!

To practice your pronunciation, try singing favorite Russian songs if you have any, but if you don't, explore the Russian culture a little better and find some. For example, when I started learning English, around 30 years ago, bands like Metallica and Bon Jovi helped me A LOT! Or watch some Soviet movies, a lot of them are available on KZfaq in HD quality with subtitles. So you just pick any phrase you want and try to repeat it as close to the original as possible. Those movies mostly have proper language, because back in the days cinematography was supervised by the government.

Как и, наверное, во всех странах, людям в первую очередь важно что вы говорите, а не как говорите. Так что можно не стесняться своего акцента, но работать над его устранением и совершенствованием произношения