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⁠@@lanluc2527Both Jonghyun and Onew helped Taemin improved his vocals. Of course without Taemin’s hard work and determination he wouldn’t be able to be where he is now.

not just week...he was called tone deaf....

Yeah, his work ethic is insane. To be fair, I think he was still in the middle of puberty when they debuted.

@@OT54everAre You A SHINee Fans Cause I Am My Bias Are Jonghyun And Taemin Bias Wrecker Are Key Onew And Minho! Taemin Are Amazing Now With His Vocal And Dancing Taemin Was Called Tone Deaf But Now Taemin Is Not Tone Deaf I’m Happy That He Is Willing To Get Better In Vocals Unlike Some People In KPOP Who Don’t Won’t To Have A Good Vocal And Just Want To Sing Very Stylish!

Beautiful words! The best summary of their hard work

Agree! I think it's the height of an artist's love and appreciation to fans when they do their best, work their hardest, to present us with the best version of themselves.

Like Kyungsoo said, Kai is generally a lazy person, but not when it comes to his work. He always works the longest and the hardest.

Taemin has never been a idle/lazy person, not even in shinee. If you see interviews with Taemin when he was very, very young and when he just debuted as a soloist, you could actually see his desire to be better at this and that, in his words. Even in an interview, Moonkyu said that when he met Taemin, he was scared at first, because of how hard-working he was. He never really rested (according to his own words), he is the most perfectionist SM artist there ever was. That is why no one in that company or in Kpop in general has had a vocal and artistic glow up that makes you say !!!WOOW! Taemin so far has been the most atypical case in terms of exponential growth in everything and became the goat of kpop.

it's impressive the level that taemin achieved, it's amazing his discipline and his ambition as an artist. in sm he is the only case of exponential growth. there has been no other after him. of course everybody gets better w time, but taemin always surprises a lot of people when they discover him for the first time and see how his story started.. and how the same man who is killing those highnotes, runs and being the most dramatic vocalist on "Guilty" was once called "tone deaf" taemin will always be the best example of talent and hard work.

taemin is an impressive thing not only as a vocalist but artistically. Guilty floored me a month ago and I still can't get over it. it's a brilliant and artistic song. kai has the potential to improve more

​@@baek_sowell said. Taemin worked very hard to reach his current state. 🥺

Moonbyul could be a lead vocalist or even feel like main vocalist in other groups. Mamamoo in general are just vocally talented

100%! When a company chooses to debut a super young teen whose skills aren't there yet, I blame the company (honestly this is kind of the case for Taemin, he wasn't even done with puberty yet at debut so how can they expect him to have a strong voice). However, there are so many wealthy idols that debuted 5-10 years ago who can hire whoever they want as a vocal coach. It's kind of your fault at that point if you choose to stay unskilled. Personally, I'd be pretty embarrassed to be paid that much to be a professional singer that can hardly sing.

yes, obviously its up to him who he puts in his videos but i think skz's vocal line has improved very well especially after getting their own vocal coaches. I feel like the biggest was probably Lee Know, the fact that he could barely sing on the survival show due to lack of training and now look at him

This! Because yes I understand that companies really drop the ball on vocal training but when an artist reaches a certain level of success they have the resources to better themselves. It's part of the reason I can never take blinks who defend the girls to the death seriously, like yeah YG sucks but all that time and money and they can't take a few vocal classes? It's a choice and it's one that sheds light on what artists really value, at least in my opinion.

​@@rachelmaddowswife8713yep. Lee knows improvement has been amazing. Him and the vocal line have been taking classes with a coach from SM which made a lot of sense when I found out.

agreed! and she was physically ill for a long time as well. the amount of stress on her body and mind had to catch up eventually. but she really keeps getting better and better!

Because singing is a mental thing especially technique. U control your muscle and concious ways. Had u wonder why many soprano unintentionaly can laugh, shouting G#5 without strainung their voice yet they r struggling to sing that note?

Not to mention she was sick sooo much physically aswell. She had sinusitis for like several months back in 2019, while they were performing at their 4s/4c concerts, were doing festivals every week, filming for queendom AND she released Goodbye. Not even half a year later she got sick with the influensa virus after basically just coming back from a half hiatus (since she was still performing on queendom), and then going straight into releasing Hip, doing promotions for that and then all the award shows. It was a busy time with basically no time to chill out and actually let her voice heal after a lot of physical and mental strain.

​@@adara4635 and then she also released her solo album Redd. And at that time, Park Woo Sang say it recently in their video interview with wheein that it was the hardest time (releasing redd album) because they feel like an indie artist, even park woo sang got sick as well but has no time to break. But I'm glad both of them now not under rbw anymore, but they still working together.

​@adara4635 yeah, she really had it rough there. and somehow still sang very well while sick! she just keeps getting better.

Omg reading what you wrote made me tear of pride ❤❤

He didn't really have a rest during his enlistment, unfortunately. Even there he was bullied and had to change to another place to finish. He gets picked on terribly wherever he goes.

People hear that once and jump on the statement without even having the knowledge to back it up. She did regress, but that was back in 2020 and sice she has even stated herself so many times that her singing technique is very different now than it's been in the past (even if we can't hear it)

I don't follow them much, what happened to her? Did she damage her voice after being forced to shout a lot of high notes on tour or something? Snsd Taeyeon went through a period like that where she needed to rest and the others took over the highest ad libs.

@rachelmaddowswife8713 I meant since the beginning of their Mycon tour, her singing and voice had gotten far much better.

@@Butterflyemoji You and the video said she regressed, I'm asking why that happened. Glad she's getting better.

@@rachelmaddowswife8713She regressed because she changed her technique to be more stylistic. She was a lot more airy, and relied on falsetto. She felt like her voice didn’t stand out as much as Solar and Hwasa and changed her style because of it thus weakening her voice

Lol. To be fair though, he used clips from 2010, if you can still find it they were on YHY Sketchbook in 2009 and Jonghyun was sick so Taemin did his best to cover for him... Even that was already an improvent, as back in 2008 SM would have never let him try on TV.

​@@Pos1t1veThinkinghe definitely was better than some 4th gen idols even in 2008 and he did sang live

We can say that about some of 3th gen idols too, like Jisoo or Momo.

not only 4th gen but 3rd gen and some 2nd gen. there's a lot of dozen vocalists

Was gen4 really that bad? I don't follow gen4 unless it's SM and YG and they're fine And Lily NMIXX really nice

I think it's more up to the artist if they want to improve. SM only provide the tools/teachers. Taemin and kai were initially contracted mostly to dance, and sm would probably let them continue like that but they themself strived to improve vocally. Idk bout taemin but kai definitely mentioned getting vocal lessons from outside sm

@@laukdaun114then what, other artists who didn't show much improvement didn't want to improve? I honestly don't think SM would allow them to remain like this, they seem to like their idols, even those who are mainly dancers or rappers, to be able to sing properly at least at some capacity and Taemin was considered very weak, for example, and then out of the blue he was covering Jong's parts.

@@depressed_firefly well yeah. Or they didn't have the time or resources to do so. People have different priorities, and there are a lot of career paths an idol could take aside from stage performances. Acting, modeling, variety shows, becoming influencers, music producers etc. It's a job like any other, why would you expect someone to become proficient in everything? SM as a big company does have the resources that they can use, and during trainee era they probably assign the kids to different classes but after their career is launched it's mostly up to the artists to make time inbetween their already busy schedules to improve in the areas they want

Taemin took lesson outside sm tho. He learn from kyuhyun and luna's teacher, park sunjoo and a little help from jonghyun

@@depressed_fireflyyes, other artists didn’t want it enough

Taemin used his solo concerts to improve his vocal. He sang his side tracks and ballad during concerts. I can't wait for his new concerts...so many songs from Ngda Act 1, Act 2, Advice and Guilty he not perform yet

also it's not "Lee" but "Ee"

​@@yuukonenit will be proven very hard to correct every romanized 이 but I support you in your mission.

@@yuukonen The "Ee" sound in korean is romanized as Lee just like Rs are turned into Ls sometimes and "Im" is turned into Lim. Also one of the reasons why some romanize "Joon" as "Jun". It's weird tho because it's inconsistent.

I'm not EXO fan but I think Chen, Baekhyun and DO is gifted singers... someone born with beautiful voice.

@@cashmeredelicate1373 So is Suho

And Kai actually covered a lot of DO's lines in live concerts while DO was serving in the military. I wish the creator of this video watched Gravity live or Call Me Baby where Kai covered DO's lines. It shows more vocal improvement

I think EXOs member are gifted in certain level Xiumin also amazing singer I won't say unique, unique not always good ​@@WorldifySanity

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She is really trying though, and I am happy for her!

she was 14 when she debuted. shes doing fine

Moon Jong Up ?

Imo Hwasa regressed due to singing stylistically 😭 I hope she will make healthier choices

We would only know that he can sing if he would stand on a stage and would sing a song live from start to finish without dancing. Surely there is a reason that we never heard him live with only acoustic instruments or acapella an easy song singing (let alone a difficult ballad). Unfortunately, we never actually heard him sing live. We can only see that he can sing 1-1 line after who know how many tries in an uncut recording. This is not proof of his ability to sing.

@@jakabgipsz260 lmao anyone who mentions how incredible vocals an EXO member has you'll see immediately a hater haha! He literally sings live in his every concert,like any other idol he has a playback support in his performances but you can clearly listen to his live singing!! He was always EXO's dance machine that's why he was not a part of exo's ballad songs but now with his solo activities we are able to see how much his voice has improved and how incredibly he sounds

​@@saimirmucolli954There are many videos how to differentiate between singing live and lipsync He never sings live as a soloist. only in exo where he sings for less than 10 sec

​@@saimirmucolli954The creator of this video is a professional and he couldnt find videos of him as a soloist singing live 😂 there is only compilations in exo where he sings few lines 💀

​@@valeriarm4822 so how did he notice kai's improvement?

Thank you They're idols Should at least be decent even as dancer

Yes. At least, they still need to be able to carry a tune.

improvement doesnt happen like that, most idols dont ever improve, taemins improvement hit its peak in late 2012, and around 2015 he slightly got worse/regressed but not by much, he just developed some bad habits (possibly stopped receiving regular coaching) like he began to have some jaw tension and getting throaty. he never recovered from the regression but he is still not any worse than he was in 2015, just never got to the 2012-2014 level he used to be on

@@triplej8666 what are you talking abt? the taemin of 2012 could not have sung guilty with the skill of 2023. let alone be considered an excellent live singer. definitely his peak has not been 2012, i would rather say that his peak is every year that passes, because he is getting fucking better and better, his voice matured and he is always trying new styles of singing. The 2012 taemin was good but there is no comparison with now..

@@triplej8666 naaaah 2023 is actually his peak. have you heard guilty??? those runs and highnotes?? and also lee mujin service... 2012 taemin could never

The Taemin of 2012 produced resonance up to Bb4/B4, he was singing open Bb4s like it was nothing lol... he was AA-P, and in 2015 he regressed as i said, he stopped supporting A4 and lost his resonance. Since 2015 he has not gotten worse or better, he slightly improved his upper register but still now he supports G4/G#4 with consistency still. I'm not talking about as an artist, but vocal technique wise he regressed and has never been as good as he was in 2012-2014@@danie_lle

I'm talking about technique, not as an artist. The runs and highnotes? He's always been able to execute basic runs, He used to be able to support Bb4/B4 you know right? Like way higher than G4/G#4 he has now. Have you ever watched all of his immortal songs performances, which are his best vocal performances technique wise. Nowadays he strains A4, he used to be able to resonate Bb4's like it was nothing. The lee mujin has nothing impressive compared to 2012-2014, it just has lots of 5th octave in the into the new world cover, and its all strained since its 5th octave. Here listen to 2012 taemin supported B4 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ndSDddFel7zTXYU.html Now listen to taemin 2017 strained B4's, they sound thin, tight and squeezed kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jJmIebB3maqlfJc.html just listen to this G#4, taemin can still support this but he cant resonate and sing it as open as he did here kzfaq.info/get/bejne/h5NphLeJusjalpc.html and listen to these Bb4's compared to the killing voice Guilty high note - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/maldfcxpzK2mXZ8.html Taemin is my favourite vocalist of all time which is why i know so much abt his performances across 15 years. Im just trying to be objective and provide correct unbiased analysis. Taemin was a top 10 kpop vocalist in 2012-2014. Now he is a top 15 instead. That's all. Hes still the most improved idol ever and the best sub vocalist in kpop. If he debuted in 4th gen today he would be the best vocalist technique wise. You can see further analysis from another source who is a clasically trained vocal coach who created the entire Kpop vocal community and rating system. kpopvocalanalysis.net/2014/05/13/shinees-vocal-analysis-taemin/ @@Mr_87Elt

Improved a lot??? 😂😂 he is not even a good rapper he is a mediocre

​​@@a.t.l400why are you being so hateful? Is he not allowed to improve? Is his hardwork not important because you don't like him?

​@@a.t.l400shut up hater. Go watch cartoon

Taemin is not called the Ace of SM for no reason. His story and growth is quite admirable.

That's right. I feel like, these idols seem to actually like what they working on because even after more than five years debuting, they still train/work hard to improve and not stopping just because they already good in that area.

@@absolutelynotellen Yes.

This!!

OMG SAMEEEE. Even the year! Ngl, even I doubted at the time because I thought Jonghyun should've been the first but now I'm glad Taemin was the first one because that first solo career in an active group was a reward for all the hard work and dedication he put in and was a path for so many other artists who were better than him vocally + others to do the same. Now, it's totally normal to see a member of a group debut solo and no one thinking they are leaving.

Technically Joy is a sub-vocalist too. In sm most of the lead vocalists could be mains, and many sub-vocalists sound great as long as the song is the right style and range for them. Even their weakest singers (think Irene, Minho, Yoona) tend to improve enough to sing a simple OST or something eventually.

@@rachelmaddowswife8713 Yeah but thats an SM thing, everyone there can sing. It's hard not to be proud of them tbh.

yeah sehun iconic vocalist even jisoo singa at that level 😂

@@neoteddybearjelly Believe what you will. Im not here to slender other groups/vocalists :)

​@@rachelmaddowswife8713 sorry But you're wrong. Minho can sing, and not simple things like you mention. he debuted last year as a soloist Singing a lot of songs. Both in Korean and Japanese. He has covered some parts of the Main vocalists of shinee in The last concerts This yr. SHINee is a few Of SM groups that does not have "vocalists" sneaks, Not even a single one. Respect them

Taemin is insanely passionate about his artisty and being a singer, cuz I saw a vid that says he has a good technique but that's he sometimes uses a technique that isnt common or he just does(don't know how to explain it well, I'll send the vid if u want) and it's because he would practice and teach HIMSELF how to sing better, yes he got help but since he practice alone most of the time he would learn without a professional which made it unconventional, same goes for Jjong he learned and improved by practing alone in a dark room, and would constantly change the way he sang(he already had good technique and an amazing voice but he would still change it throughout shinees music)

I believe I remember him discussing her improvement after mata hari in a previous video earlier this year but I'd also agree with you that the learning the theatre techniques she did for mata hari definitely helped her improve loads!

Thank you so much for these kind words!☺️

Just saying, if vocalists of Eunkwang and Changsub level are still taking vocal lesson, what's the justification of others of stopped taking lesson. Eunkwang is getting even more amazing, and that saying something, considering he was already one of the best even before.

Agreed! If you're in the industry for a while and you got some good money from your career, if your talent is declining or not improving, it's because you don't want to. That is one of the moments when idols shouldn't be given a pat in the head because they have enough money for vocal classes.@@kamuigrey4597

I think for Jimin it is more the need of a good teacher than hard work. Hype don't see to like good vocals. Taemin has his member to help him on top of the teacher. If i understand right jimin only practice alone.

@@sayurioffenborn4960 If he needs a teacher, he doesn't need to be given one by his company. He can pay one himself. But, i agree that Taemin has his group members to help him, and also, he has SM, unlike Jimin, who doesn't have anyone to help him improve.

​@@sayurioffenborn4960 if he wanted to sing better, he could get a good teacher himself like other idols. He doesn't because his fangirls are already super impressed with those damaged vocals.

@clementine1214 The damage is real

@@clementine1214 He could pay another teacher yes. But you two need to see a few things. First he musst know that the teacher hype gave them or the technic he practice isn't good. Then he need the time to go to an other teacher. What i see is that Jimin is only blaming himself for not beeing good enough and he theirfor practice harder. But that lead to the vocal damage. He need someone he know who can help him.

i love kai's voice so much. glad he took time to improve and let it shine even more

It mainly because he's not a tenor. His comfortable range is lower than the rest of exo. He shines in his solo album because he knows his range.

Yeah especially in cream soda he had to sing in falseto (chorus part) which obviously not on his range. He definetly improve little by little for the past year and i love that but i'm really questioning who make him do that part. It can hurt his throat badly (you can see him holding his neck) and i would like if they give him more part than just 2 lines on every song instead of pushing him to do highnote you know

This is an issue in all of Kpop I think… they tend to force male singer to sing tenor even when they’re not. And also they favor high notes too much. I think Kai’s voice would show more improvement if they let him sing more in a lower range. When he does, he sounds much better and more stable, even in studio versions.

@@dwiamelia9471 I don’t think he should have been given that part in cream soda. Cream soda overall is a just a crazy song 😅 I think though sometimes when he was touching his neck in that video, it was to see where is larynx was at. He was obviously making a lot of effort though.

Remember, two of three exo's main vocalists complimented his voice and one of them even wanted to do a duet with him.

With Jimin, I am starting to get angry. If he got more help? If he wants help, he could get it. SM refused to accommodate Baekhyun, so he PAID for continued vocal lessons himself. Jimin should demand the proper treatment, if he really wants it that is.

@@hederlisa yeah, you can tell he’s so uncomfortable when singing and he’s the literal lead vocalist in the group trading off parts with Jungkook. It’s gotten to the point where even Jin is a more capable vocalist even with his glaring issues.

@@DeeDeeDeeeee Speaking of Kookie, he needs to watch it. I'm getting worried from his last live performances

@@hederlisa he’s been pushing a lot more with his solo material, but he was never an “excellent” vocalist to being with. He was suitable for his groups music at the beginning but as they went more into the pop route his issues have become very apparent even if he has improved quite a bit since debut. He’s in a similar boat technically to Rosé right now I’d say, capable vocalists with some large limitations.

​@@hederlisaI read that he was taking singing lessons but now he will go to military service, I guess he'll quit or he'll be a public worker?

Being a good dancer can't get them anywhere. Taemin knew this. If they can't improve their vocal they can't stand on his own...they can't even handle a small fanmeeting...let alone a big stage like solo concert

Our precious baby cheese T_T

Doyoung really is the hardworking type. Although he was already a very talented vocalist he continued and still is improving his vocals, especially after his musical. A part of me thinks it's because he's hard on himself. Doyoung recently said he was under pressure and that he thought he wouldn't be loved anymore if he made even a single mistake in singing. He's definitely his own biggest critic but I hope he knows how amazing he's doing.

@@mellisalake7490 You can tell by how many times he re-records his parts, even though it sounds fine.

​@@mellisalake7490Damn I didn't know he was so hard on himself, hope he realizes how great he is already is and improving comes with mistake and misteps

Taeil was on his worst during resonance era, doyoung surpassed him but Taeil regained his strength at sticker era But Doyoung was never at the same level as jae,sf he was always above him

⁠​⁠@@hvcb270Technique wise no, him and Jae were arguably on the same tier but I’d give the edge to Jaehyun since his mixed was better at the time and that’s where they operate the most. Doyoung just had more lines due to his voice fitting NCT’s music more.due to having the higher pitched voice, it could go either way(at the time) neither him or Jae were “levels” above the other. Now it’s not really a discussion cause Doyoung’s technique has improved massively, not quite as good as Taeil but they are on the same tier

I had no idea that was her who sang "come here, babe" in the second verse of Underwater. I thought that was Joy until I saw a line distribution vid. I was so impressed.

We say the truth He is a weak vocalist

​@@a.t.l400he is a weak vocalist if you compare his technique to a vocalist like chen. Doesn't mean he can't sing or carry a tune at all. Hell, most kpop idols are under the category weak vocalist even if they're the lead vocals.

​@@a.t.l400y'all hating too much, it's giving desperation

​@@a.t.l400you are everywhere when people mention KAI. Your obsession toward him is showing. Sad..

@@a.t.l400you’re under every comment that praises Kai’s vocal improvement. Why show your hatred for him so obviously?)

I think, I just fought last night under your comment, the way Taemin and Shinee stan degraded Kai there is disgusting, they really do use brain to think you mentioned their improvement individually, you didn’t compare both of them.Also I don’t think Baekhyun struggled in cream soda, Baekhyun's approach was totally different than Suho, Kyungsoo. Even in the original recording his part felt different, because it was sung differently. I think he didn’t sing it with falsetto but the head voice. Like if you compare it to his Bambi album, it has much higher falsettos than cream soda which he sang live in livestreams with ease.

Exactly, and I saw your comment and I agreed with it a lot. I don't know where the hate with Kai is coming from anyways, I hope he continues to improve more in his vocalist and acting because I really want him to do more movies playing the lead roles; he already got the look. Also learn more English because I want him in international movies too. I don't think I am asking for too much am I? 😂😂 Anyways, I just love him and want him to succeed in everything.

​​@@SadiaIslamShoukiAnother one that directly accuses Taemin's fans. I was there And they were just praising taemin and one of them said that Taemin at his peak was around Baek tier The subscribers of this channel who are always criticizing the idols' vocal abilities started saying that Kai wasn't a good vocalist and then exol started to insult taemin even in this video they continue to attacking Kai and they are not fans of Taemin, what if they are from another fandom.

@@monique2939 Taemin's fans should be directly called out for their immaturity. If you want me I can literally quote some of their actual replies regarding Kai.First of all, It was simply an appreciation comment this commenter( who is the main commenter there) posted , The Taemin fans simply could have said, " yeah we are proud of him" Remember this is an Exo-l, praising your favs too, then how hard for you guys to be cordial and if you don’t want to praise other artists, then how hard it is to ignore rather than insult the other idol? but instead they went other way, Mockingly replied " Kai?", another said," It’s a insult to name Kai and Taemin together". But have the audacity to say Taemin was on the same level with Baekhyun. It was Taemin fans who insulted Kai, brought the Baekhyun comparison and you guys expect us not to call you out.

@@SadiaIslamShouki Look at the comment again and check his previous comments that person who said first KAI?? Always comment about other idols too, he has even commented on this video pointing out about Taemin's regression saying he actually regressed and lack vocal support blah blah so I don't understand why to claim that all those who started to discredit kai are taemin fans then other people joined in the comment to talk about exo . They are subscribers of this channel, they are always commenting and criticizing idols' vocal abilities, Yes, at the end of the comment Taemin's fans started to reply because Exol insulting him. About Baek comparison I don't know about vocal technique but I know that previously there was an account of a vocal coach who made a "TIER LIST" and put Taemin behind Baek both were at "above average vocalist" tier . Taemin was better than now and I guess they use that comparison to "highlight" how much he improved in the past .