Ep #14: Gay Conversion Therapy: Pseudo Science is Destroying Innocent Lives | Dark History Podcast
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Күн бұрынHi friends, happy Thursday!
Welcome to the Dark History podcast. Today, we are going to talk about Gay Conversion Therapy, an abusive practice where bad science and extreme religious views created hell on Earth for hundreds of thousands of people in the LGBTQ+ communities. And it continues to this day.
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Gay Conversion Chapters:
00:00 INTRO
03:33 ZACH STARK
06:38 SAFEKEEPING
12:33 GAY CONVERSION CAMPS
15:25 SANDOR RADO
22:44 LOVE IN ACTION
30:48 JOEY NICOLOSI
33:53 AVERSION THERAPY
38:27 ZACH’S CHILD ABUSE CHARGE
41:27 SAM BRINTON
45:09 GAY CONVERSION THERAPY TODAY
Bibliography
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Dark History is an Audioboom Original.
This podcast is Executive Produced by:
Bailey Sarian, Kim Jacobs, Chelsea Durgin from Slash Mgmt, Fanny Baudry, and Claire Turner from Wheelhouse DNA
Producer: Lexxi Kiven, Derrial Christon and Spencer Strasmore
Research provided by: Thomas Messersmith
Writers: Jed Bookout, Michael Oberst, Joey Scavuzzo and me - Bailey Sarian
I'm your host ----Princess of the Dark, Bailey Sarian
Historical Consultants:
-Sam Brinton, Survivor and Advocate Against Conversion Therapy. Folks can find Sam on Twitter where they give daily #ConversionTherapy News at @sbrinton.
-Tanya Erzen, Ph.D, Associate Professor and author of Straight to Jesus: Sexual and Christian Conversions in the Ex-Gay Movement.
-Casey Pick, Esq., Senior Fellow for Advocacy and Government Affairs at The Trevor Project (Check out The Trevor Project's campaign to end conversion therapy).
Video Director: Trent Barboza and Eric Abell
Edited by: Jim Luci
Production Management: Marissa Barrientos
@lichalicha801 2 жыл бұрын
Crazy how these parents love their children enough to “help” but don’t love them enough to just accept them
@ange3261 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. They dont have to agree with their child on everything but they should love and accept them regardless.
@dfrey1885 2 жыл бұрын
It's sad but it's very much a fact that MANY people are against it
@ts4686 2 жыл бұрын
THIS !!!
@jocelynmorris968 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly.
@cordeliabriar2924 2 жыл бұрын
I've always wondered the age old question if if the religious had a way of knowing that the fetus they carried inside their body would grow up to be a homosexual, would they then make an exception for abortion? Is tough decisions sitting from a lofty holier than now perch.
@rryyttee 2 жыл бұрын
As a historian I feel so thrilled that formats like this is reaching mass audience. History is not just dates, battles, elections but also microscopic view to the everyday life, cultural context that impacts us till this day. As an European I would love to hear more international stories, but I get it - target audience is US. Keep it up! 👌
@nwnd148 2 жыл бұрын
❤️🏆❤️💯
@francesfolnsbee4043 2 жыл бұрын
Done with subscription . I do not like the political side or attack on Christianity your doing anymore.
@kelseyleannebaldwin9628 2 жыл бұрын
@@francesfolnsbee4043 this isnt an airport you dont need to announce your departure!! You arent a true Christian if you dont admit that people have done wrong in Christianity's name. True Christians can admit that much.
@mandymackay5649 2 жыл бұрын
We had a show on it in the uk
@mandymackay5649 2 жыл бұрын
@@francesfolnsbee4043 I am a practising Catholic, what has been done is awful and there needs to be accountability. Don't hide being religion.
@paisleesheppard5629 2 жыл бұрын
"I wonder if he's just tried not being dead." _nearly spits out coffee_
@jasminecolosi8423 2 жыл бұрын
I loved that part. "We should pray for him"
@yogafirejo 2 жыл бұрын
I was listening to the podcast at the gym and I laughed out loud 😅😅😅
@spoopycatstudio 2 жыл бұрын
I was in my kitchen making breakfast with my headphones on and just about snort laughed all over my waffles.
@malumachado4561 2 жыл бұрын
🤣
@mhrgall Жыл бұрын
I adore her utter contempt for these d bags
@the_glamest_fuckgirl773 2 жыл бұрын
I was at one of these places in 2010. I was 15. After I got out, I ran away from home in 2011 and came to Los Angeles from the state of Texas. I had nothing but time to think about the person and woman I wanted to be. I was able to start my transition and hormones and now I'm a 26 year old trans woman. No Matter what I refused to let my family and these people break me. I couldn't change. I was meant to be a woman and I had to fight to be the woman I am today
@bellememorie 2 жыл бұрын
I know I am just a random person on the internet, but I wanted to say that I am proud of you for being authentically you and send love your way. 💜
@JM-mr6pz 2 жыл бұрын
That's freakin awesome
@RavennaRose928 2 жыл бұрын
Don't know ya girl but I'm proud of you! Keep on keeping on!
@paigemichellee Жыл бұрын
❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
@abbynormal3068 Жыл бұрын
Brava! Best of luck and life to you!
@reitakizawa 2 жыл бұрын
im crying, ive been debating speaking out publicly about the cruel, disgusting, awful things ive seen and heard done to myself and others at my strict parents churches. bailey youve made me realize how important this topic is and that i need to say something.
@yvonnereid1656 2 жыл бұрын
Do say something.
@jesussegoviano2813 2 жыл бұрын
Speak out
@yakeenjafar7151 2 жыл бұрын
Let us know how it went please
@DaydreamAllday 2 жыл бұрын
Speaking out is one of the best things you can do. It can help others and yourself to release some of the suffering & help fellow survivors. 💜
@nicw1387 2 жыл бұрын
speak out, you have a whole community behind you
@Britfan06 2 жыл бұрын
Hearing Myspace being described as, "the wild west of social media" is probably my favorite and the most accurate description ever.
@allyrobinson4599 2 жыл бұрын
Word
@cordeliabriar2924 2 жыл бұрын
I miss Tom....Zuckerberg is a maniac
@TheKatarinaGiselle 2 жыл бұрын
@@cordeliabriar2924 he literally seems like a robot/alien inside a human flesh bag...he truly is a maniac!
@cordeliabriar2924 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheKatarinaGiselle That's how I see him
@cyncty666 2 жыл бұрын
@@cordeliabriar2924 He was my friend- lol
@jackiewilburn3063 Жыл бұрын
I live in Tennessee and my mother is extremely conservative. Not to mention were Native American. I recently told her I was bi. She literally looked at me and said "you think that's a problem for me? I love you and that doesnt change anything" thank you so much mom!
@samanthahaggstrom3707 Жыл бұрын
I am legitimately so happy for you.
@irieadventures4686 Жыл бұрын
Wonderful! 🌈
@serenatsukino5252 2 жыл бұрын
I like that Bailey included that there is homosexuality in other animals and that homosexuality has been around for a long time. One argument a lot of homophobic people use is "you don't see that in nature!" When it's simply not true. You just don't hear about it.
@RianaAnais 2 жыл бұрын
Right. And a spectrum of genders too. Like just let people do what they want and be who they are
@spermtittedmongvoyeur6831 2 жыл бұрын
@@RianaAnais animals can be hermaphrodites by naturally not humans
@delbert372 2 жыл бұрын
I agree that would be a terrible argument as only humans are given moral imperatives.
@ShinyNix86 2 жыл бұрын
@@delbert372 morality is subjective so that seems equally as bad of an argument though. Just a thought. 🤷♀️
@astrowolvez 2 жыл бұрын
@@delbert372 and yet dogs know when they’ve done something bad and will whine and look away exactly like a child who broke a vase.
@Volgotha 2 жыл бұрын
Kids need more laws protecting their autonomy. Adults don't treat them like people.
@lyonvalkyrie5852 2 жыл бұрын
not to mention no religion should have power over law.
@youtubeistrash953 2 жыл бұрын
To a point...children need guidance, the human brain doesn't fully develop until the mid 20s. There's a reason traditionally we don't let underage children participate in certain activities.
@lovegalore9545 2 жыл бұрын
@@lyonvalkyrie5852 period
@potato1084 2 жыл бұрын
@@lyonvalkyrie5852 Yes. And they should start paying those taxes. There’s too much money laundering going on with the church.
@astrowolvez 2 жыл бұрын
@@potato1084 that has never made since to me, especially when cults and even Christian churches use that to manipulate people.
@amandalopez2040 2 жыл бұрын
Can we just appreciate that Bailey’s hair is always so perfect?
@Nathan-Croft 2 жыл бұрын
Can we also appreciate that she makes a 50 minutes long video and it feels like 5 minutes
@salandersalgado4038 2 жыл бұрын
This a wig
@ADapperDesigner 2 жыл бұрын
Like I want it as a wig for drag
@nc7072 2 жыл бұрын
Im sure she wakes up like this
@ckickenman 2 жыл бұрын
@@salandersalgado4038 you’re a wig
@NosferotikaBr 2 жыл бұрын
Bailey after judging for 5 min straight: "i don't judge"
@rashione982 2 жыл бұрын
Read your name as "Nosferatu" xd
@Uruk02 2 жыл бұрын
@@rashione982 re code Veronica
@janetturner1931 2 жыл бұрын
Lol 😂
@hannahboebanna 2 жыл бұрын
666th like 😅
@deniseschlecht2307 2 жыл бұрын
It's not judging.. It's observing
@tiffanycardona3809 2 жыл бұрын
Girl… Caligula?! He should be an whole episode on his own. He was TERRIFYING!
@rumblefish9 2 жыл бұрын
Caligula is also crazy
@Monicalia 2 жыл бұрын
It will never stop blowing my mind that parents prefer to have a traumatized child with extreme internalized self-hatred, trust issues and grudge towards their parents than a happy kid in a healthy, loving relationship.
@LeilaleilaZ 2 жыл бұрын
Some people don't deserve to be parents 😒
@jocelynmorris968 2 жыл бұрын
Sad but true.
@elscheib 2 жыл бұрын
It's not about helping their child, it's to make themselves look better and feel less uncomfortable.
@marastevens8330 2 жыл бұрын
@@elscheib i agree. i think they do it to show that they're trying to stop it.. it's so wrong and so sad. i can't imagine doing that to my kids.
@bridgetmadden5716 2 жыл бұрын
It's sad how many parents cling to the child they think they should have rather than the child they do have
@xkxdisk 2 жыл бұрын
*"let's take an ad break, i've got bills to pay"* -bailey the shanashaa shanashaa 2021
@briannarivera4379 Жыл бұрын
I laughed so hard! love her!!
@Spider_Biqtch 2 жыл бұрын
I came to the comments looking for homophobes to yell at over the internet and I'm delighted to see such love and acceptance in the comments ❤️🧡💛💚💙💜🏳️🌈👨❤️👨
@MorellaReborned Жыл бұрын
Me too! Sadly, I can't say the same of Sam's videos on yt... I recommend you skip the comment section. It's disturbing and disgusting. Thank all Bailey has an audience so incredible!! Feeling safe AND validated without having to work for it! 🥰🥰
@greg-op2jh Жыл бұрын
@@MorellaReborned 🏳️🌈🏳️🌈❤️❤️❤️
@candacecasey5222 Жыл бұрын
There were a couple of doozies but they are easy to ignore.
@andreamitchell3224 2 жыл бұрын
As the mother of a bisexual child. I can't imagine how these parents can do this to their children. So sad. Love is love.
@averyb1998 2 жыл бұрын
@@m.__.kitty._161 **just came out** hopefully this a a fake name / account lol
@olivia.carousel 2 жыл бұрын
This is the most “Bailey” Dark History video, yet! It feels like she’s getting more comfortable with this format and I’m so happy for her. The editing was great, too. We love you Bailey!
@Krystal-O 2 жыл бұрын
Completely agree!
@jerrymayzeilstra105 2 жыл бұрын
@Ava Hughes p
@tamarabuxton2516 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, She's definitely in Her element 🖖💙🇨🇦
@avachriss681 2 жыл бұрын
agreed! great video.
@GoddessOfMagi 2 жыл бұрын
Facts
@alexuskacan 2 жыл бұрын
There is literally a movie called “But I’m a cheerleader” that’s basically about this topic. Crazy asf!
@alexuskacan 2 жыл бұрын
@@LynnieKoko right! Natasha Lyonne is such a great actress
@MsElshynena 2 жыл бұрын
I'll look into it
@maggiebench4207 2 жыл бұрын
it’s my comfort movie 😪
@melizab2424 2 жыл бұрын
Also another called "Saved"
@alexuskacan 2 жыл бұрын
@@melizab2424 I’ll check it out
@des9468 2 жыл бұрын
“Let’s take an ad break, I got bills to pay” I’m dead Bailey is too funny 😂😂😂
@yeenbean3318 2 жыл бұрын
When my mom suggested I go to "therapy" so I don't have to live as a trans person, and so I could accept the gender I was born with, I had to try really hard not to get upset with her because I know she doesn't know what she's doing and the damage it would cause me. I'm an adult now and I don't live with my parents. This is exactly why I didn't come out to them until I was financially stable. I tried everything for years to change who I am on my own, so I'm very sure that no amount of therapy or convincing could make me what they want. If there are any kids out there who might be reading this, please be careful and patient about when you choose to come out. I know it's hard, but you're stronger than you realize.
@margaretgibbs6673 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, and then they have the nerve to get upset about "why didn't you trust me"?? 😅😑
@Thewho127 2 жыл бұрын
As someone who studied Psychology at University.... I am amazed at how they can just... leave this out. Honestly, if you think about it, early psychology is just literally torture... Which is so messed up.
@itskindofafunnystory...3237 2 жыл бұрын
I learned about this in psychology, specifically my deviant behavior class
@jbark678 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, like medicine at the time as well. Industrial workplaces too actually.
@caseyh8386 2 жыл бұрын
... Lol my entire Psychology A Level (so not as high level as university or anything) was basically "look at this study, now let's talk about why this study was immoral" 😂 psychology was 100% just mind fuckery and torture for a very long time. I mean look at the zimbardo experiment 😱 nightmare!
@RaiiLOL 2 жыл бұрын
I'm studying psychology right now and learned that using psychology as conversation is illegal... At least at my country.
@3shannonRoss 2 жыл бұрын
It all started with Pavlov innocently finding unexpected results from a dog study to using his results to torture children … don’t think that was his aim if I’m honest 😳 forensic psyc MSc student here 🙋🏻♀️
@eggibbs 2 жыл бұрын
My daughter came out to me when she was 13 and couldn't love her more. My ex told her it was just a phase and she shut down (he was my ex for a reason). My baby had issues not only being bi but being multiracial, female, not black enough, not Hispanic enough, hair texture, etc. Not understanding and my being who she wanted to be. It was so heartbreaking watching her go through the things she went through. One thing is I have always been her safe space and have truly became a safe space for her friends who are a mix of everything. I love them all. It amazes me how parents just disregard their kids...I can't understand this. If anyone needs a safe space, please reach out...I am here. Thanks so much for this Bailey💜💜 You are truly awesome!!
@metalcatmom5891 2 жыл бұрын
Me too! I'm another safe adult!
@homurastan2927 2 жыл бұрын
thank you for being such a wonderful mother! you have no idea how much that helps
@eggibbs 2 жыл бұрын
@@homurastan2927 Thank you. It means a lot. There are so many people that suffer and I didn't want my baby to be a statistic. I keep an open mind and open heart. Everyone deserves someone to be there for them no matter what. Love is love!!
@kellygarza9522 2 жыл бұрын
You being the mom you are makes the world of difference in those kids life! Kids really need at least absolute minimum one adult on their side I believe, I have always tried to steer my boys in the right and let them know I’m always here and nothing they do or say will ever change my love for them. I’m also a safe adult if anyone needs to talk.
@eggibbs 2 жыл бұрын
@@kellygarza9522 Thank you for being the mom you are. I wish there were more adults to offer safe spaces for kids. It is literally the difference between life and death for some.
@oliviaw2926 2 жыл бұрын
Conversion therapy has officially been banned in Canada
@cellochel1582 Жыл бұрын
Yeah.... the US is a different story. Canada is amazing.
@BlueFlameBird 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine spending hours pushing a baby out, hours of pain while doing so, years of feeding, changing diapers, teaching them to walk and talk, driving them to school, taking pictures and having portraits done, raising a whole child Only to send them to be tortured because you value your beliefs more than you kid.
@echase416 2 жыл бұрын
Bailey is that high school history teacher we all wish we would’ve had.
@lauraroeleveld4053 2 жыл бұрын
If she were, I probably would've tanked my tests on purpose just to repeat another year with her
@chastitybooker5976 2 жыл бұрын
And would have a major crush on! 💋
@maplelatte3366 2 жыл бұрын
My 8th/9th grade English teacher had a similar style. She was absolutely my favorite teacher.
@rishonafernandes2867 2 жыл бұрын
As a person who's a part of the community, I'm super curious to know more about our history. Go Bailey!!!
@carolinej5420 2 жыл бұрын
i love her videos but uh. this isn't super accurate in the history of how homosexuality has been seen, especially with the greeks
@MakotoKinoSailorJupiter2020 2 жыл бұрын
@@carolinej5420 actually, the part about the Greeks is true.
@cyndymcfarlin8537 2 жыл бұрын
Oh my dear. There is so much history out there. I am old enough to remember those horrible horrible places. Much love
@breathing_helium_art 2 жыл бұрын
Bailey: ...horses Me: *panics* Bailey: They weren't involved Me:😳
@jordanpringle9372 2 жыл бұрын
Me thinking about my history teacher saying they were involved.
@yvette-marieperez1431 Жыл бұрын
😂
@jademelady2953 2 жыл бұрын
“Hide your power tools” made me spit out my coffee all over my flannel shirt
@0814sway Жыл бұрын
Lol
@deshawnacastillo 2 жыл бұрын
Bailey can you do an episode on forced residential schooling of Native American children! I am the first generation of my family to not go to a boarding school on the Navajo reservation
@theo-ty9iy 2 жыл бұрын
yess, that would be so nice!
@YouTubeSupportSucks 2 жыл бұрын
Yes!!!
@veronicaballinger6672 2 жыл бұрын
Yes yes yes!!!
@jennyveile 2 жыл бұрын
I hope she does an episode on this.
@mumtazamiri6409 2 жыл бұрын
She could add Australia into it too ! Watch The Rabbit Proof Fence....I cried and cried...
@machomandalf2893 2 жыл бұрын
I remember when my girl was excited about her first 1,000,000 followers. Now she’s got almost 6,000,000. Get it queen.
@juliestrickland5709 2 жыл бұрын
I remember when she hit 1million and she just EXPLODED from there! Course she's awesome, so ya know.
@Dragomicha 7 ай бұрын
I remebe when she hit 600k. Crazy
@SweetAsCandyCane 2 жыл бұрын
Bailey's smile when talking about the ancient Greeks is hilariously cute
@rachelk4805 2 жыл бұрын
It is not our job to make our children into who we think they should be. It is our job to keep them safe and make sure they feel loved while they discover who they really are.
@Deedee-es3yy 9 ай бұрын
Parents should observe what type of things the child thrills at and encourage in helping them in the way they should go
@hmbogi 2 жыл бұрын
My heart changed when my child came out as trans. I broke out of my old beliefs. I love my child and I'm grateful for my change of heart.
@Boing2699 2 жыл бұрын
really proud of you for that character development! you should be proud of yourself too!
@maddiem8754 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for loving and caring about your child enough to open your heart and mind ♥️ they will forever cherish that and you’ve done a huge step towards great parenting if you’re willing to do at least that. I wish so many more parents could be like you and not resort to hurting their children physically and emotionally because they are scared or don’t understand. I don’t know how anyone could do that to someone they love or brought into this world.
@rachelk4805 2 жыл бұрын
That's the thing though, right? It is easy to have an uninformed opinion when you don't personally know someone affected. But when you have a child and you love that child, you don't cause them that kind of pain. Love changes your viewpoint, not the other way around.
@karenraba4709 2 жыл бұрын
🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗
@adrianburrell6217 2 жыл бұрын
My father has been an educator all his life. He's now 93 and I still ask about things I have forgotten since school. But, one of the things he always said was, the day you stop wanting to learn new things, you might as well dig a hole, jump in, and pull the dirt back in on top of you. That seems to fit in this thread, don't you think.
@mimiwalter866 2 жыл бұрын
I’m a teacher too in her 60s. I think your Dad has hit the nail on the head.
@spookyspice596 2 жыл бұрын
Your dad’s a wise man.
@adrianburrell6217 2 жыл бұрын
When I see a movie or TV program reference to something that is of historical importance, I look it up. When I want to make a period style dress, I do my research. (I used to be a stage costume designer.) Spinning yarn, making lace, knitting, quilting, before doing them, I watch and learn and read. When taking on a stage role I read about the time frame, learned popular fads and styles, developed period mannerisms.
@deniseleraaen9733 2 жыл бұрын
I’m so glad my son was comfortable enough to come out to us at 13 and we love going to pride together.
@katelyndriscol4893 2 жыл бұрын
I’m so happy my parents accepted and loved my sister when she came out
@brandiking4078 2 жыл бұрын
I can't imagine doing anything but loving and accepting anyone who comes out. Your parents must be amazing people 😊
@EmilyHusk 2 жыл бұрын
Lights out, fairy lights on, candle lit fluffy pjs fluffy socks and a cup of tea, and this video. The ultimate Autumn aesthetic!
@CS-zm8my 2 жыл бұрын
Hmm....?? I just had to pause the video for proper set up! You will not out do me Emily!
@EmilyHusk 2 жыл бұрын
@@CS-zm8my It's the only way !
@mvannorden02 2 жыл бұрын
@@CS-zm8my lol 😂
@riordanparata4339 2 жыл бұрын
It’s spring in New Zealand so I was confused lol.
@thespoiledtexan3904 2 жыл бұрын
Jealous! We are still averaging 85-90° days here in West Texas, but the nights are down in the 50’s finally so it’s feeling more like Fall, but not enough!
@sarahnicole5174 2 жыл бұрын
There is no hate like Christian love. I was just talking to my partner and I was saying how whenever we have children I want them to know that if they have friends or even know if anyone who came out to their parents and they kick them out, abuse them, want to take them to conversion therapy because of who they are, we will take them in. We are both LGBTQIA+ and will help anyone.
@Kelseysophia 2 жыл бұрын
I’m sad that you view Christianity that way, not all of us are like that and would never dream of doing things like that.
@sarahnicole5174 2 жыл бұрын
@@Kelseysophia maybe not all of you but there are enough to make me say this
@sarahnicole5174 2 жыл бұрын
@@EllaJay I am a satanist and that is my religion and at least we aren't against women's healthcare and we have real "commandments" based on being a kind person
@ts4686 2 жыл бұрын
@@Kelseysophia Your comment isn't necessary. We all are aware that not all people are nasty, violent and evil, but that doesnt take away from the fact that a significant number of people are. Your comment echoes of people saying "all lives matter" when they hear "black lives matter". This type of commentary is derailing, and is grossly inappropriate and dismissive to victims of the people who other them, hurt them or otherwise treat them without love and human rights.
@Kelseysophia 2 жыл бұрын
@@ts4686 agree to disagree dear!
@faithmozhui9642 2 жыл бұрын
"Why can't we just have nice things?" FR BAILEY FOR. REAL. 😭
@Super_Grover_ Жыл бұрын
Thank you Bailey for this crucially important episode about conversion therapy. We as human beings and a modern society need to protect our LGBTQIA+ children and young people from the horrors, destruction, and trauma of conversion therapy.
@kktt8003 2 жыл бұрын
Bailey is the best story teller out! Such a natural at it, everything she talks about you just want to keep listening ❤️❤️
@AxxLAfriku 2 жыл бұрын
WARNING I am the unprettiest human YTer worldwide. Take the hint, dear tri
@aprilboyd6000 2 жыл бұрын
Yes yes
@leahlune 2 жыл бұрын
Bailey and John Ballen are both amazing storytellers
@M-MMo 2 жыл бұрын
A sad topic brought to us in Bailey's unique manner of storytelling!
@ricardoelizondot 2 жыл бұрын
I just don’t understand how people decide to have kids and then reject them, you’re not a bad parent you’re a bad person.
@IceNixie0102 2 жыл бұрын
"There are just some people who struggle with being dead" I love that so much.
@hannahmcclure205 2 жыл бұрын
“Homosexuality is addictive” oh you’d know about that wouldn’t you mr. doctor (;
@ladyzeebs8429 2 жыл бұрын
My uncle was sent on a "retreat" back in the 70s. It DIDN'T WORK! And I loved him just the way he was. (Passed away) I miss him too. He taught me more about love and supporting everyone with equality and diversity.
@Jenahh-aye 2 жыл бұрын
Im so sad he went through that and so happy he stayed true to himself and had you to love him be real family. 💗
@ladyzeebs8429 2 жыл бұрын
@jen A. - A Thank you, he was truly a beautiful treasure and loved himself honestly, and that's all I did. Love him honestly 😍😍
@ChelseaFrohnheiser 2 жыл бұрын
As a Christian, this sickens me. we aren't all like this. Love you Bailey!
@susielee5634 2 жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly! I truly feel this video gave us a bad reputation!
@sarahschoenberger99 2 жыл бұрын
@@susielee5634 Bailey did not give Christians a bad reputation. The Christians Bailey discussed in this video gave Christians a bad reputation.
@susielee5634 2 жыл бұрын
@@sarahschoenberger99 ummm.... Please reread my comment. I didn't say Bailey was giving us a bad name. Maybe you meant to reply to someone else?
@sarahschoenberger99 2 жыл бұрын
@@susielee5634 No, you said “I truly feel this video gave us a bad reputation.”
@lvanl1054 2 жыл бұрын
@@susielee5634 christianity gave itself a bad reputation. not this video
@tiffanyescamillaaa 2 жыл бұрын
It’s always that ONE doctor that has to mess things up
@chirp9525 2 жыл бұрын
The setup is always on point ✨ feels like I’m at a sleepover gossiping with my bestie
@MrJohn0fficial 2 жыл бұрын
To who ever is reading this comment You are awesome🙌 My goal is to hit 26k any help would be epic❤️
@paullajackson4482 2 жыл бұрын
YES!!!
@Xoxoleighbee 2 жыл бұрын
Same!!!
@tashahughes3541 2 жыл бұрын
YES❣️❣️❣️
@ndtcssh 2 жыл бұрын
It honestly scares me that these places are still not only legal, but actively practicing. It has caused so much damage to LGBTQA+ youth, it breaks my heart. If you don’t have a support network around you, I’m sending out a virtual hug to you all. ❤️
@tst4783 2 жыл бұрын
If people have such narrow parameters of what they consider " acceptable " in their child perhaps they'd be better off with a pet instead. Something they can have a list of desirable behaviours for.
@supergabee 2 жыл бұрын
Bailey's feelings about Lisa Frank are how I feel about chick fil a. I just can't help liking their food. lol
@annleeharleen4620 2 жыл бұрын
New Zealand has only just gotten rid of conversation therapy.
@2boysmama550 2 жыл бұрын
I highly suggest watching the Netflix documentary “Pray Away” to find out how some of these conversion therapy founders have realized how terrible it is. I was in tears the whole time!
@lanagay1735 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the info, I want to watch that.
@annanas9122 2 жыл бұрын
Oh, I've seen it recently. I was taking breaks all the time because it was honestly hard to watch. For multiple reasons.
@rilesfomiles8662 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the recommendation sweetie pie xo
@IAMOSCARWYLDE 2 жыл бұрын
“Hide your power tools” 😂😂😂😂👌
@Kalinda_Hurram 2 жыл бұрын
😂🤣🤣🤣
@OnlyBrina 2 жыл бұрын
Hide them from straight gals too because you know… *imagination*
@lamoyettmoyett1541 2 жыл бұрын
🤣🤯🤣🤣🤣
@autumnbamford6183 2 жыл бұрын
@@Kalinda_Hurram is
@dominiquewhite1575 2 жыл бұрын
It generally comes from abuse so how do you fix abuse with abuse. SAD!
@damnyell101 2 жыл бұрын
This was beautifully done and couldn't have been done at a more perfect time. Sadly our local highschool is having students of faith protest a mural they want taken down that represents equality for all. We are protesting to show support to the lgbtq+ students tomorrow and I have posted this video on every post I find about our situation.
@askajk5895 2 жыл бұрын
Your religion is your to follow alone. But rights are for everyone to have equally!!! But sadly people think their religion is rights
@HadassaMoon144 2 жыл бұрын
Find a local Presbyterian USA church. Call and ask if they can help. Not all Christian groups support this discrimination.
@niah1409 Жыл бұрын
bailey you should do a dark history on the troubled teen industry!! its so insane that things like that happen and are still happening
@LacaraAshmore 2 жыл бұрын
What were they doing Bailey? Bailey: they were focking🥵🥵😭😭😭🙏🙏
@sarahward9490 2 жыл бұрын
I was genuinely delighted to hear it several times
@mumtazamiri6409 2 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@emma_r29 2 жыл бұрын
i prefer this podcast to my actual history classes
@brittneeypatricaa9502 2 жыл бұрын
Right !!!!!! Bais the best history teacher !!!!!!
@claireevans3131 2 жыл бұрын
Me too wish she was my history teacher in school
@stahhpppitttt 2 жыл бұрын
Right
@meowtation 2 жыл бұрын
If I had a teacher like this, I wouldn't have had to force myself to those boring casses back in the days...🙄...❤
@stahhpppitttt 2 жыл бұрын
@@meowtation right an they weren't telling the truth anyways maybe that's why It was so boring
@MandyOviatt 2 жыл бұрын
Asexual here... Even back when I was heavily involved in a homophobic southern Baptist church I thought conversion therapy was BS. Thanks Bailey for covering this topic.
@PurpleReign1401 Жыл бұрын
MySpace was so much better than what we have now. I loved being able to change my background and the song playing whenever I wanted. We’re all mad here 🎩. I remember Zack’s story, or at least part of it. The only thing the parents seemed to fail on is not excepting their son for who he is/was. That’s so sad that someone may be afraid to come out and let the world see who they really are but their biggest gut wrenching realization is to find out the people who are supposed to love you unconditionally are the ones you now have to worry about.
@HeatherRenee2017 2 жыл бұрын
I will never understand why parents do stuff like this. I’m a Christian mom and my son came out to me and I would never send him to a camp. I love him the way he is and he will always be my baby boy even though he’s 21. I wouldn’t change our relationship for all the money in the world. I joke with him when he talks about women, I tell him don’t knock it till you try it 😂 he cracks up.
@yvonnereid1656 2 жыл бұрын
You are a great mother
@amu_01 2 жыл бұрын
You’re amazing. Keep doing you.
@WhisperingMoon83 2 жыл бұрын
As a bisexual parent with a transgender son, this makes me so sick to my stomach. It is heartbreaking. Thank for sharing this horrific story, it needs to be talked about so people are aware and it can end! 💜🖤
@momsdiva71 2 жыл бұрын
Much love to you and your family.❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
@yeenbean3318 2 жыл бұрын
You're amazing!!! 💖💜💙
@WhisperingMoon83 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks y’all 🥰🥰💖💜💙
@eclipseluna-jw1wv 2 жыл бұрын
Same. Every time I hear this stuff I just feel my stomach drop. The video about Stonewall that she just uploaded almost made me throw up. I’m pansexual and demisexual, so even in some parts of our own community I’m not accepted. Videos like this really make you realize how lucky we are, even though there is a painfully large amount of work that still needs to be done. One of my best friends in trans and he’s incredible. He’s so inspiring. I’ve never necessarily been afraid in my surroundings, but living in a small Republican town I don’t always feel safe and happy.
@WhisperingMoon83 2 жыл бұрын
@@eclipseluna-jw1wv well you are welcome here, and you are very loved! 💖
@danielleoliver1734 2 жыл бұрын
Sadly the horse may have been involved in Caligula’s boat, it’s rumoured that one of the gladiator pre-games included a RE-enactment of the the Pasiphae myth (conception of the Minotaur)
@lizziew.1966 2 жыл бұрын
Do one on dark history of animal testing, what companies use/d it for & who started it pleaseeeeee🥰 makeup/medical/etc
@lizjames1613 2 жыл бұрын
Bailey, can you do a dark history on Georgia Tan? She was a woman in Memphis that sold babies on the black market. She even sold Joan Crawford her kids...yea the "no wire hangers" kids 😳
@potato1084 2 жыл бұрын
I wanna see this too!!
@astrowolvez 2 жыл бұрын
Is that the butterbox (?) babies?
@hannahdrake7122 2 жыл бұрын
can you tell some More about this??
@alyssahernandez1055 2 жыл бұрын
Rick flair the wrestler came from her fake adoption ring too. He didn't find out until he was an adult.
@janetturner1931 2 жыл бұрын
I hope she does, I’ve never heard of this lady but I’d like to. She sounds terrible. I bet she’d make a great subject on Dark History.
@rosekashyap8339 2 жыл бұрын
I remember coming across Bailey, last year during the worst period of my life. I started to watch your videos over Facebook and I became a part of this wonderful community n still going so strong. Keep going hard n pretty ❤❤
@jp3032 2 жыл бұрын
Same
@MissAmeROCKana 2 жыл бұрын
I hope things are better now 💜
@leota999 2 жыл бұрын
Same!!
@Upper_echelon_exotics 2 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry I hope things are going better for you now. I have been pretty low lately...I miss when Bailey used to respond to comments though too.
@MarieLaveau56 2 жыл бұрын
She is a breath of fresh air huh?
@LibraLeo325 2 жыл бұрын
Great episode, it reminds of the “camps” in Utah for “wayward” kids. It’s full blown abuse, my former sister-in-law is a survivor. I believe Paris Hilton also had the misfortune of being forced in a torture school also in Utah. Would love to see an expose on those terrible programs.
@bites Жыл бұрын
How psychologists / psychiatrists ethically get to perform these treatments is insane 😢
@jessicarafanan2286 2 жыл бұрын
As a believer, I can never see myself judging or punishing anyone for who they are. The number one commandment is LOVE. Love is what saves people ♥️ Love you Bailey! Thanks for covering
@itsmeAshley84 2 жыл бұрын
Jesus said the greatest commandment is LOVE💘
@juliet1717 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for saying that. I feel the same way
@brittanyjackson7519 2 жыл бұрын
It’s the love of Christ, not the law, and as a Christian we get a bad wrap because of those that use their Christianity as a “stone to throw”
@uhhidkhsh 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly! Jesus didn't say love everyone BUT homosexuals and he definitely died for ALL our sins NOT just the straight ones 🙄😩
@aliciaballentine7507 2 жыл бұрын
Beautifully said!
@drunk3n_sailor 2 жыл бұрын
I was listening to the Edith Wilson episode out loud at work when my boss walked in & asked what it was. I told him my history lesson 🤣
@BaileySarian 2 жыл бұрын
yessss!!!
@APerson-pr2fi 2 жыл бұрын
I just really want to say, I appreciate the closed captions a lot. I have audio processing issues so it can make it difficult to watch videos. It just makes things so much more accesible and easy to watch. Thank you.
@vaibh4vi 2 жыл бұрын
i know it’s the bare minimum but i’m non binary and hearing you use the right pronouns for sam without announcing that you will or messing up is so. 🥺❤️
@MorellaReborned Жыл бұрын
same :_)
@miltoncat 2 жыл бұрын
I was (still am) living in Memphis when all this happened with Zack. Tons of us wrote emails to him telling him to stay strong and nothing was wrong with him. He’s kept a low profile since… he didn’t expect it to blow up like it did.
@lupin5223 2 жыл бұрын
I'm very curious to hear what happened to him...
@patriciaruffner4601 2 жыл бұрын
She's definitely getting more comfortable with dark history I am loving these
@Ash-jn4fb 2 жыл бұрын
Sent to a residential school here in Utah where they convert us into their image . It’s traumatic . Thank you for covering this & would love to hear more . Thanks for spreading awareness .
@toadetteable 2 жыл бұрын
Conversion therapy was just banned in canada last year, i don’t understand why it took so long and why other countries still let it happen ! It’s so sad to hear their stories! I cant even imagine
@CartoonHero1986 2 жыл бұрын
For real though a lot of "Christian" peer groups think like these people that agree with conversion therapy and it's scary. I remember going through high school (Catholic High school) and staying in the closet for two major reasons; the school acted like bullying towards out or flamboyant students didn't happen since the teachers didn't like the out or flamboyant students for living their truth, and two the school included conversion therapy hotlines among the lists of "youth help lines" they gave us so people where legit afraid they'd end up in one of those places. There is a major sense of almost culture shock when you go from these over conservative high schools into post secondary schools where all of a sudden you have advocacy groups and visibility everywhere.
@ivyfontenot6742 2 жыл бұрын
Yesss this!!! I went through that all elementary and some of high school, as soon as I could go to public school I did. And it was a big culture shock for awhile
@Jenahh-aye 2 жыл бұрын
Im just glad you got away from that toxic💗
@emilywarden1979 2 жыл бұрын
Yes! Same!
@mckenziejeanne4508 2 жыл бұрын
Yes to all of this. ❤
@aquatofana9257 2 жыл бұрын
Free virtual mom hug from me to you!
@randommoonphase8602 2 жыл бұрын
I miss the cute MySpace layouts and the Playlist that would play when you went to profiles. I loved it!
@Bodharas 2 жыл бұрын
It was the wild west of the internet. It was what it was supposed to be. Until profits became involved. The internet use to be a free format if creatively and discussion. Then came Facebook and the Google monster.
@brittanyhydorn970 2 жыл бұрын
Me too!!! MySpace was way more fun and gave people an idea of your style and personality.
@MegaBossmare 2 жыл бұрын
Me too!!!
@shalatrivette7837 2 жыл бұрын
MySpace was way better than Facebook, I loved picking a background and adding music, it was great
@ashleighm8225 2 жыл бұрын
The part about the “pain endured therapy” made me think of A Clockwork Orange” it’s absolutely appalling that these camps still exist!
@sugareespruill6651 Жыл бұрын
Bailey`s hair and makeup are so beautiful in this episode
@gemmasaggers4576 2 жыл бұрын
I live in New Zealand and recently signed a petition for a bill that's going through to ban conversion therapy. I was actually shocked that this was even happening in my country and even more shocked that some people supported it! I really hope this goes through. People have the right to live their lives and be who they want to be. Makes me angry that these camps even exist. Great to shine a light on it Bailey.
@Odd_Gott_ 2 жыл бұрын
"if she has stubble she's a witch" I'm dying 🤣
@linden4372 2 жыл бұрын
Sam Brinton was invited to speak at my college’s lgbtq+ alliance student club once, when I was a half-closeted freshman who just started going to meetings. It was a day I’ll always remember. Sam is the most lovely person. I cried and shook with rage listening to their story but I also smiled and laughed as they carried us gently through their trauma. They had this way of positively embodying strength and hope for our futures and treated us like family. I was so inspired by their commitment to love and total unabashed queerness. I’m so glad you included Sam in this!
@tonijohnston5310 2 жыл бұрын
I’m so glad my parents loved my brother more than the knowledge of who he loved.
@tiffanyfaver9801 2 жыл бұрын
I have a suggestion for Dark History, the Trans-Allegheny Lunatic Asylum in Weston WVA. My sister and I went ghost hunting last month and we didn’t receive a lot of the history of the place. You and your wonderful crew could dig up a lot more I am sure! Love all that you do!
@katie_kate88 2 жыл бұрын
I think lights out podcast just covered this recently. Super creepy and terrible 😖
@tiffanyfaver9801 2 жыл бұрын
@@katie_kate88 Thank you for letting me know, I will check that out. Yes, the history there is disturbing.
@heathercarini7284 2 жыл бұрын
I had brought this up when she did the Lobotomy episode. If you're interested in the history, I'm happy to share what I know. I went a few years ago!
@tiffanyfaver9801 2 жыл бұрын
@@heathercarini7284 Yes that would be very interesting!
@kimberlymoxley104 2 жыл бұрын
She needs to do a hx of the Kirkbrides!
@presleynowoselski9949 2 жыл бұрын
Bailey, can you please please do a Dark History episode on the American/Canadian Indian Residential Schools? As of recently 6509 bodies have been discovered in mass graves in Canada alone. Attention is desperately needed on this🙏🧡
@lilichka56 2 жыл бұрын
Yes!
@sunniegb 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, the stories of those children and their families deserve as much exposure and attention as possible. Any and all adults complicit in this horrific crime need to be exposed, and if still living, prosecuted. From the top of the government down to the ones who snatched these precious children out of their mothers’ arms. The people in power now should make it a top priority to identify as many of these children as possible and have their remains returned to their families.
@softlysighing2 2 жыл бұрын
You should consider making merch that notes “Nay, nay” on it 💜💜
@TweetBird216 2 жыл бұрын
As a non-hetero in the South, thank you for this.
@florberdahl9719 2 жыл бұрын
You should do a dark history on the Kelloggs family or the dark history of the food industry in America
@laurenskee2665 2 жыл бұрын
You should do an episode on the Titanic or the Prohibition.
@rivetsquid8887 2 жыл бұрын
I think there is one for prohibition.
@musicandglamour9184 2 жыл бұрын
Titanic conspiracy FOR SURE. How there was a fire no one was told about right before they set sail, and how they switched ships last minute, broken propeller, the list goes and goes and goes on,
@lissey0734 2 жыл бұрын
Is there hidden dark history about the titanic
@musicandglamour9184 2 жыл бұрын
Do it bailz.
@lissey0734 2 жыл бұрын
@@musicandglamour9184 so conspirancy theroys and not actual facts. Is there actual dark history assocoated because as someone who has been to every titanic museum and read hudreds of books on it i have never heard true dark history
@danielhurd2877 2 жыл бұрын
When I’m feeling overwhelmed and need to get away for a minute, Bailey is my safe space. I live for these every week
@mels3932 2 жыл бұрын
The history on Capital Punishment would be extremely interesting to learn about. Lots of love Bailey ❤
@maggssez 2 жыл бұрын
Western colonisation is the reason that all of these topics became taboo. Non-binary people were normal and popular in many indigenous cultures, along with homosexuality, and it was the British colonisers who brought their religious beliefs and western culture over to these countries and made them unspeakable and 'wrong'
@debbystragier2154 2 жыл бұрын
That’s true and it should be talked about it more. I wish to hear about it more too.
@merryEngland 2 жыл бұрын
It was the christian religion.
@audre5065 2 жыл бұрын
@@merryEngland it was the colonized version of it
@chiarabraidwood7805 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly this is such a sad and infuriating story, but the way that you told it with all of the sarcasm and jokes… 10 out of 10
@noahxcuse 2 жыл бұрын
13:45 had me in stitches. Thank you Bailey, I'm facing homelessness ATM and had to sell most of my belongings to pay for a hotel and I really needed a reason to laugh. 😊
@8CheerleadingGirl8 2 жыл бұрын
me too. are u okay right now?
@noahxcuse 2 жыл бұрын
@@8CheerleadingGirl8 still living in a the worst hotel/motel I've ever had the misfortune of stumbling across lol, but slowly getting back on my feet. I hope things are going ok for you too! 🤞
@Joelsellers29 2 жыл бұрын
As a person who survived this trauma. Thank you.
@paolavindigni5825 2 жыл бұрын
There's an episode in the Netflix series: Haunted that talks about this. The man speaks about his experience in one of these "camps" and it's absolutely heartbreaking.
@brendacabrera7163 2 жыл бұрын
It was so hard to watch 🥺😭💔💔💔, made me so full of anger with what they had to go through 😭
@havinajazzmoment1137 2 жыл бұрын
That episode was so sad 😔
@lanagay1735 2 жыл бұрын
I will watch that, thanks for the info.
@annanas9122 2 жыл бұрын
Seen "Pray Away" on Netflix? A documentary.
@ashleyh6918 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, it was horrible to watch...so sad!
@amandaeskew415 2 жыл бұрын
After clicking on the Trevor Project while listening to this episode my heart shattered because the FIRST THING on their website are instructions on how to exit the website quickly and erase the site from the history. I pray to anything that'll listen that one day it won't have to be like this for ANYONE!!!
@aliciaballentine7507 2 жыл бұрын
A powerful prayer 🙏!
@katarina1852 2 жыл бұрын
Bailey deserves teacher of the year award for Dark History. I am being serious.
@ashleyluhvv5244 2 жыл бұрын
I thought this was going to be from like the EARLY 1900’s not the early 2000’s. Hurts my heart! ☹️ We LOVE YOU!
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