Thank you

Wait......on killers, or survivors? I know this is most likely a joke....but not going to lie, that might be an interesting idea

@@chasecrowe5536 He/she's essentially saying that killers don't have a 4th perk untill all generators are done. It's a joke.

Perk: Remember Me - calls upon the entity to block 4th perk slot until all generators are complete Perk: blood warden - calls upon the entity to block 4th perk slot until all generators are complete

@@witchblade9888 NOED, Remember Me, Blood Warden, Rancor: the half a perk for 90% of the game build.

Black Mercury you mean the 4th dumb altruism option? My randos go for a hook save when the noed notif pops up lol

Estrogen Fury jokes on you I don’t have DS. I run unbreakable on bill. (smug face quickly turns into sobbing)

@@Jsaycool Sometimes it actually works. I got smacked with NOED saving a Feng. The Feng ran to 99 a door while the Huntress camped and the Yui and David kept baiting her until one managed to unhook me. In the end we all escaped. Was one of the most tense epic escapes I've had.

Xyex That’s a clutch game, but most times it would go like this: Feng opens door, starting collapse. She either stays for tbagging or just leaves altogether. Yui and David would go for the save, but mess up the looping and both get hit. Then when they both get hooked, they will blame you for being the ones getting them hooked. That, or they leave as well.

Or, worst scenario, they all come back for the rescue and then get hooked.

Why not combine all and use bloodwarden

Evil

Blood warden ultra chad

Cuz remember me was nerfed

@@alejandroviloria7462 it's still good

death to all blendettes

@@connorm6888 fair enough

me maining Tapp and having detective's Hunch , aw shit that last Totem is so far away, he probably won't have noed, 30sec after last gen, everybody slugged on the ground

@@connorm6888 us blendettes will rise again.

@@connorm6888 blendette mains rise up

Punished "venom" scott

how you not gonna say "Scott Spunned"

Lol that survivor ruined your 3 year old not spunned reputation

@@ScottJund so whens the funeral?

Scott Jund fuck that’s actually way cooler Mr Spunned, from now on I will refer to you as requested

Maybe pizza rolls

Hmmmm pizza is round, like a wheel.... which gets spun...

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES *Y E S!*

@@PIZZAloverNUMBERS Are... are you gonna do the ora thing?

mkoll 88 Yes. Yes. Oh my god...

But..."do Bones" IS the fucking solution...just a fact...it is a side objective anyways...when you decide to gen rush and ignore Totems you deserve getting NoED....but i agree with Scott...NOED isn't so OP at all , it technically only costs you as Killer a Perk SLot which you can only use in Endgame...

Daryl MC Death if you’re going up against a good killer you literally have to gen rush

@@DarylMCDeath Its the solution but it accounts for nothing else like who the killer is, how good they are, if the survivors are playing solo or in a swf, what map youre on since some have very shitty totem spawns... and much more saying "just do bones" may be technically correct but its incredibly reductive. use that logic on a meta survivor perk and you get a 5 page essay on why youre being biased but killer will throw out "just do bones" like its an actual response to the discussion most people dont even think NOED is OP, they just think its extremely cheap.

@@simonballs2838 Yeah...always come up with the "good Killer" non sense...even good Killers have problem getiing the "keep 5 Gens for 3 mins up" pip, for sure...thats why most of them don't give a shit and say "RaNk doesNt mAttEr"...How obnoxious could you be call all these people bad Killers? Do you even realize that people leave this Game because of unfucked virgins that have no live like you people?

@@prozenconns7082 "like its an actual response to the discussion" it IS! What is so difficulut? EVERY Surv Match I EVER played I myself at least killed 2 Totems...mostly 3...just don't go away when you see a dull Totem. All what you said is absolutely unrelated to DO TOTEMS! NO? DONT CRY ABOUT NOED! PERIOD! It is that easy! FACT!

He wanted to use tombstone insta saw noed iridescent head stridor spirit on that Quinten Edit forgot about rusty shackles and mint rag

Where's the video aahhaha

Except for clown boi,its just a joke playing as him

@@Artixtra he's still kinda fun, but yeah is pretty lacking. There's also Wraith, though I cannot say much as I don't know his addons too well..

@@pagannova3621 wraith is really only good with bell distortion other than that you're literally giving your position away

That already exists... it's devour hope, unless it sorta does other things in the same sorta way

This is exactly how I feel about NOED, it's not OP it's just unfair.

That's kind of how i feel as well. You can play well all match, don't get downed or hooked. Then at the end you get hit once, hooked, face camped then you die. It's just shitty and feels like a big middle finger. And i really hate when people use the "lol do bones" as a counter-argument. Telling solo survivors to do all 5 totems is asking a lot, and just feels unreasonable.

soo like adrenaline and deadhard? :U

@@manzariat7523 well, there actually is an easy counter to noed: doing bones. Lets portray(and generalize) the 3 most likely scenario's in the game: 1. If the survivors have the upperhand they can easily spare time to break bones. If they dont, they get punished for rushing and a NOED up their ass. AKA it wouldnt have mattered to have NOED. 2. If the game is about 50/50, then NOED doesnt really have that big of an impact. Because enough people would either already be dead or injured by the time NOED can activate. Or survivors have Adrenaline, and NOED counters it. Meaning that it would only matter because you were running Adrenaline in the first place. If you didnt run Adrenaline, NOED wouldnt have mattered in terms of instadowns. 3. If the killer has the upperhand, survivors wont be able to finish gens at all, and in the chance that survivors do finish the gens, they would still be very likely to be injured anyway, meaning the instadown doesnt matter at all, or they have adrenaline, in which case, NOED counters it. These 3 situations, very generalized, each show how little the instadown effect of NOED actually is. So out of all the situations, NOED's instadown ability is preventable. This is why most killers use NOED for the movementspeed boost. And there is actually a ton of evidence for that, rather than it being the counter to Adrenaline: 1. Hope and NOED were designed very similarly: Hope had a 2 minute length and a movementspeed boost and NOED had a 2 minute length and a movementspeed boost. 2. Adrenaline was meant to counter slugging back in those days. It was the only way for survivors to get up from being downed. 3. Later, Adrenaline was considered an exhaustion perk, meaning it was supposed to be more like other exhaustion perks, while Hope and Noed werent changed(well, NOED was turned into a hex earlier, but that was because Old Nurse was simply too OP with NOED, she already didnt need anything to get downs and NOED was simply a 5th middle finger in the face of survivors.

Agreed

completely agreed

Yep them small PP survivor builds..love getting outplayed by DS, unbreakable, dead hard, adrenaline, etc. Rather than survivors actual skill

@@danielmaster8776 You shouldn't have to resort to NOED period. There are plenty of other perks to bring that will slow the game down enough to 4k if you know how to build pressure. Pop, Corrupt, and Thrilling come to mind. I disagree heavily with the argument that gens are too fast because it is still very possible to 4k as of right now, and survivors don't need more EnGAgInG GAmEpLaY of holding m1.

You could also look at it like the killer has only 3 perks until gens are done which puts them at a disadvantage. Plus theres the scenario where totems are done and you never even get your fourth perk.

Retribution isn’t a hex perk. It just spawns a hex totem so it doesn’t need another perk to work

I used to actually use third seal all the time with legion, until his power couldn't trigger it anymore. Same with franklin's. It's a bad perk that could actually have been used to some effect and then just bam one change and my poor Legion can use even fewer casual perks.

@@kylepollack3029 the perk is literally called Hex: Retribution

C&R official because it spawns a hex totem. If that totem is destroyed the perk still activates afterward

I've thought of the possibility of third seal not being a hex perk but idk if it would be too strong and it would still suffer from being easily called out when you're slugged on an swf, maybe having the blindness remain even after the totems down but not allow any more people to get blinded?

If 2-3 gens are done. And the Killer is chasing a Survivor that is close to another Survivor working on a gen, and he doesn't break chase to shoo them away, he's got NOED.

@DonJuan Yates very true. Best advice I can give is you don't want to be in chase when the last gen pops. Lol

"hey guys, Scott here." "hey y'all, Scott here." two YTers with a legendary name.

But at red ranks I always get gen rushed so NOED usually works for me

Focusing on objectives isn't gen rushing

Absolutely.

bruh if you cant win a game at 2 gens left with infinite tier 3 myers you shouldnt play myers

@@rezkookies I mean don't run noed on tuft of hair Myers for the effect, I run it for the M E M E

@@bunbunjackalope4415 oh shit lol srry

@@rezkookies Infinite tier 3 Myers sucks against good survivors. By the time you've got your power the game is already over.

I run tomestone and mirror. this combo is op! you should try it!

Man forgot about small game too

I never (!) played a Survivor Game where I didn't at least cross 3 totems...and that was only me...

Info perks are lowkey amazing.

@@crackgoat9780 small game sucks

@@headrush8535 small game is better than detectives hunch for totems imo

I only care if I peep, dying or leaving alive are just possible outcomes. This game never tells you 'you won' or 'you lose'. Anyway, matches are a few minutes long so I also dont get the salt some players spill

I feel like the exact same thing could be said about Adrenaline. A killer can easily be denied an earned kill because one survivor brought adrenaline.

Ryce Boy at least it can be said adrenaline is earned through the survivors doing their objective, they did what they were supposed to and were rewarded. NOED rewards the killer for playing poorly and losing all of their gens. It promotes bad gameplay with the mindset, “ah it’s fine if I lose that gen, I have noed”. Which is honestly just a bad mindset to have if you’re trying to get better at killer. Your goal should to try and kill all survivors before the 5th gen is even completed. Not to rely on one perk to carry you in the end-game.

Do bones

Hex NOED fuck your bones

Totem need to be lit up beginning of match not till last gen done,,, I died 9/10 by noed camping

Steven Fey that’s a nerf.

@@stevenfey2108 bruh

It's been reworked multiple times. Funny thing, it used to activate after one exit was open!

I think it needs a new endgame function, they should rework it like they reworked ruin.

I know this is a rather late reply, but I think the biggest thing that sets perks like NOED and Adrenaline apart is the killer knows when Adrenanline goes off, but Survivors don't know if the killer has NOED until either they randomly run into a hex totem at the end of the game, or get hit. sorry if you're not interested in this talk, I'm about a year late

but dude everyone gen rushes REEEEEE #SurivorOP

That’s the problem with this game imo. Survivors aren’t op, just SWF. If you play solo most likely one person is doing nothing.

Its so easy to pip as survivor. Like stupid easy

UltimateWATCHER2 which is exactly why it’s easy to win as killer in ranked matchmaking. There’s a ton of survivors in red ranks when they shouldn’t.

@@stfu562 It kinda needs to be that way. Imagine getting the same sweaty 4 man 5 games in a row. That's what you get with functional rank systems; all sweat, no fun, no variety.

Pretty much like a game i had with a Ghostface on Rancid Abattoir. One guy got a gate open before getting hit with noed and moried, while 2 other survivors just waited around until after the mori was finished to start *opening the other gate* instead of circling around the killer to run through the already open gate when he left. One guy even tried hiding behind some barrels really poorly but still didn't move when he was obviously spotted, and of course he immediately got downed and hooked along with the other survivor that tried opening the other gate. I was the only one to escape. This was all red ranks btw...

He talked about that.

@@kristianbojinov6715 And I gave an example from a personal experience. What's your point?

Although I agree, a game shouldn't be balanced around bad players.

@@viridiansun3935 hahahaha you just described the average solo survivors. No braincells and all fear

BT, DH, DS all perks that waste killers time without using it. Your argument is onesided. Surv want secoundary objectivs ..but if they get one.. they dont want to do it. =)

@@Rakzahn How does dh "waste a killers time" first of all and how does dh waste time without using it? You are just trying to discredit it by saying it is onesided but it's not. A killer can facecamp a survivor and then slug two other bc of noed. How is that fair or skilled in any way? That's what annoys people. You get rewarded for playing bad and you get rewarded massively.

I agree that pop is op, but at the same time, it’s the only perk that actually rewards you by slowing the game, not many perk actually do that besides ruin, but pop is still better

I dont really agree with what you say 1: Pop isn't op, because Gen Speeds are too quick. And you make it look like it regresses 50%. But it is only 25%. And sometimes you don't even get any value from pop. Usually because they finish the gen before you get there, or you only find gens that are beraly(i don't know how to spell barely😬. Someone please tell me) worked on. If they nerf gen speeds, then it is op. Also, i dont know if this happens to you, but i usually get mey NOED cleansed even BEFORE it activates. And THAT is why i don't use NOED. 2: How are multiole slow-down perks free wins? Please play at red ranks with pop(or ruin) corrupt intervention, maybe Discordance and if you want to, Thrilling Thremors. Play 10-15 games with that build. Let's see how many free wins you get :). But i have to say: if you are a rank 1 nurse with tons of experience and years of playing then you will already win, or a rank 1 Freddy with all those perks you will probably win. Try to play with Killers under A tier. I usually play with Legion or Deathslinger. Well, i kind of main every Killer but i play the most with them.

@@madalinakernveisz7481 BASE gen speed is completely fine (and I already mentioned items and perks being comparable to slowdown perks and add-ons). Pop however stands above everything else as being OP. It's potentially 275%, which is adding almost 3 entire gens to the game. And as soon as at least 1 survivor is dead, it is very easy to snowball with Pop. 2 dead is game over. And all you have to do to use it is pretty much play the game as normal. There's nothing that counters it (excluding a single non-meta perk that's debatable whether it does much) unless the survivors happen to be running gen builds, which they pretty much HAVE to be because of this. It's making the balance unhealthy. And I play against experienced players with thousands of hours all of the time (ignoring rank since it's a meaningless metric here). I main Wraith. I can 4k with 0 slowdowns. Using slowdowns makes the game FAR too easy for me. It's boring and I don't think the survivors or I have fun. And it's basically the same for the killers I'm playing against (only they're having fun usually). Also riffing off your build suggestion with ones I actually see... Corrupt, Pop, Discordance, a Sloppy add-on or the perk itself, or replace Pop & Corrupt with Ruin & Surveillance. Add Thanat if Legion or Plague. Add Dying Light if it's an asshole. :^) These builds with multiple slowdowns are really common, practically impossible to fail with and REALLY unfun to go against. Also Deathslinger is one of the most popular killers at red ranks now, so that's a pretty funny example ngl. :P Stealth ranged killer with little counterplay and very easy to protect a 3-gen with. (I am not segueing into a discussion on him btw, so please don't.) tl;dr I am an experienced player with many hours playing against other experience players on both sides, builds with multiple (emphasis on Multiple) slowdowns make the game too easy for killer and shit for survivor, and Pop is OP.

@@makkie_3321 no.

i didnt see that until after. im pretty sure we are twins separated at birth because we always make similar videos very close to each other

Say at least two people get hit by it 1 leaves early and the last survivor is left in confusion on what to do. That how I see most matches anyway lol. Or Musical Hooks

Shrew hahahahaha

No, it doesn't. It means the killer will get a free down and the other survivors will leave. It actively removes the fun from the trials endgame.

Anakin Skywalker be like

Shrew

Yeah I mainly only use it when I don’t have any good perks

That's how I use it. It's too powerful in its current state, but if I have a level 7 killer and I'm trying to get a daily done, I'll use noed. It's not like I get to choose which perks appear in the bloodweb. Having less than four perks is a huge disadvantage.

I can fell the meta crying because of this chad build

Fucking hell man get this OP shit out of here before the devs nerf it

Agitation is actually decent.

Gotta have that mad grit for the intimidation

@Xela Flow yeah no, It does have the effect similar to DS, enought that COORDINATED teams that hate noed sometimes run a totem cleanser to remove all totems before repairing the last gen (detective hunch + map for example) but this in himself is rare and usually not needed and in the end just makes the diference betwent a 3 mand a 4 man escape. Unlike DS it comes into play literally at the end of the match, DS will affect the entire match just by being a "may or may not" if any survivor have obsession, noed does not

@Xela Flow try comparing ds with pop. I do the math for you: pop can be used 12 times but only 11 times efficiently. Each time the killer cuts of 20 sec of the gen. That makes 220 seconds or almost 3 gens. I think you know where i am going but here is a vague calculation of ds: the stun itsself takes 5 sec and the average chase if both players are equally skilled 20 sec. So by a max of 4 ds the survivors save about 100 sec. You can argue that you cant use every pop but there isnt always 4 ds either. Additionally the killer can just slug the surv or go after another surv but you dont see repressed alliance other than in meme builds

@Xela Flow please read the second last sentence of my reply and tell me that you arent incredibly entitled that you didnt bother reading it or overwhelmingly stupid for not getting the point (and before you try to use sarcasm on me again explain first if using pop 5 times isnt as effective as 4 ds) . And if you dont have an valid argument or reason please dont bother wasting the space in the comments including replying to this reply.

LEAVE OUR BONES ALONE

"As much as i deserve to die if i fuck up a loop" Dead Hard wants to know your location

DS isn't used to positively reward bad plays. Sometimes the killer genuinely tunnels you on a dead tile, of course I agree it IS used to reward bad plays such as jumping in lockers or doing gens in front of the killer. But the perk isn't made for that purpose. NOED is entirely made for that purpose of rewarding bad plays, 100% though. I definitely agree with you on that, just thought I'd amend your post

Except that Decisive Strike doesn't postively reward the player for playing bad, it is a completely different dynamic for survivor because of the team-based play. DS covers shitty teammates. Being punished for your teammate making a garbage play isn't a very fun experience, hence why everyone runs DS.

@@JustSomeDinosaurPerson Exactly this, that's what I'm trying to explain to the guy above. DS isn't on the same level as NOED. NOED literally requires nothing to activate, and is basically the most valuable perk in the game you can run and that's with it only being active during endgame. That should tell you something there. DS doesn't reward a survivor playing bad, it protects against their teammates playing badly. Does 4 DS get absurd? Yes. But you can't balance around 4 people using a perk. Because 4 people might not always be using it. Plus the game is asymmetrical. The killer is stronger (or should be) so the survivors need...second chances. It's why Friday The 13th was annoying, found once, dead. The same people who want DS changed to basically useless are the same people who think survivors should die on their first hook because they hate X perk. NOED is fundamentally broken. You use NOED. There is no ABUSED of NOED it's used exactly as it's intended. DS is NOT broken, it ABUSED but it is not fundamentally designed broken.

And that's that on that. Alakazam, now people understand how balancing works.

Lithe, balanced landing, borrowed , and deliverance aren’t for bad survivors. Lithe and BL are literally just chase perks to get away, deliverance only activates on safe hook rescue, and BT is for countering tunneling off hook.

Only good exhaustion perk is DH and arguably SB. Lithe and BL are just a get away perk. BT only works when you camp hook and not on oblivious. Deliverance need to unhook a survivor and usually it is a 'smack in your face' perk because you always the 1st one to be hooked. Besides, BL has been nerfed to the ground that no 1 is using it at all

Teo ChungYuan all of them give you a second chance if you make a mistake, and most killers rely on survivors making mistakes

@@b0d626 lol, I totally forgot the '2nd chance' thing. Indeed the exhaustion perks are '2nd Chance Perks', but I disagree some of your listed perks are for bad Surv such as DH

@@dolalayuan123 so is dh and sb dumbass

noed wouldn't even be that bad if it didn't give killer more speed like?? wth?? this just screams "use me if you can't catch anyone". One hit isn't THAT bad if you can just loop normally but if the killer is faster its just dumb af

Imagine if there was a perk that did that maybe it would be called like rancor or something

@@arrozceno2544 true, the only difference rencor gives the obsession ample warning that they are going to die and allow them to prepare for it. But yeah, they serve the same purpose

100% true

*cough* *cough* rancor only effects one survivor who will leave asap if they have brain cells

Shrew

Everyone has been using third seal and everyone is dying on 1st hook. In my last game, the killer complained to us that he didn’t even pop since the game ended so fast since we couldn’t find the hooks lmfaoo

Devon Matthews third seal do be underrated doe

Dumb Shrew I never realized how annoying it was until now

Same, but we cleanse every totem so kek

Clutch implies you actually tried.

xSoporific Yeah it just had a timer when exit gates were powered

@@uvelergle I remember when it was unlimited

Remember when Sprint Burst was on a 20 second cooldown and recovered while running? Good times

No, I do get most of my enjoyment from chases, but you cant expect it to not annoy the living fuck out of someone when they have looped the killer for the entire fucking game and could've escaped too if it wasn't for NOED. You play better, yet you still die.

It's more that d a d d y n e e d s h i s 5000 bp for escaping

Same. I see absolute garbage killers still doing 2-4 kills because of noed. People want to help each other and it just punishes it

If people are trying to save even knowing that noed is up, they are not that good... Or just too altruistic (which is a problem). If the survivors are really way better than the killer, they manage to save everybody despite of the killer having noed (I've been there, and seeing them save and get out, and not being hit... Or flashsaving was so underwhelming that I understood they just were waaaay better than me)

@@DerikHendric "If people are trying to save even knowing that noed is up, they are not that good" "If the survivors are really way better than the killer, they manage to save everybody despite of the killer having noed" choose one

@@witchblade9888 LUL, my head is a mess... Lemme explain that dumbass shit I wrote. The good survivors will know the best call is to back off and leave one for dead if someone is caught by noed. However, they can make the "riskier" call to try to save, and they can actually pull that off if they are way better than the killer.

@@DerikHendric "The good survivors will know the best call is to back off and leave one for dead if someone is caught by noed." unlucky that you cant play altruistic in a team based game which even rewards it. "However, they can make the "riskier" call to try to save, and they can actually pull that off if they are way better than the killer." unless you play like an absolute dumbass, that is not possible because as soon as somebody wants to unhook you have a safe trade and can in a lot of cases get another one off it.

name a few?

@@ikngzdroiid dead hard and DS are the big ones

Shrew

You can just pre-drop pallets and then the killer is down two perks. If the survivors catch on to it Spirit Fury and Enduring kinda sucks.

@@Kezsora You can, and that certainly does make the combo less potent, but if you're dropping early you're probably dropping before exhausting the initial set of loops, so the killer still does get some sort of profit from it. You've also got killers who can easily break the pallet if you drop it early, who sometimes run EnFury to bait people into doing that.

Kezsora I get that, but there’s also situations where you don’t have enough distance on the killer to be able to throw the pallet without getting a stun. and in those instances it’s throw the pallet and die, or don’t and also die. Also, it might be just me but I don’t like having to throw pallets earlier than I have to on most maps, so enfury annoys me a lot.

Ds/Unbreakable is a PERKS that awards you for being bad

@@Mona-xd6kg sorry I do agree with you but reading that made me have a stroke

Mona 1 i dont think turtle pug mentioned the perks you stated, can you stay on topic. comparing something bullshit on one side doesnt lessen the other sides bullshit.

@@Mona-xd6kg Ds timer needs to be reduced yes but it is needed and unbreakable punishes slugging tho it could do with a pre req to activate noed just gives you a free kill even if you didn't get a single down before the gens are done

there are alot of survivor perks that do the same tho

*laughs in Adrenaline*

@@brandonduncan4516 I agree. Unlike noed, though, survivors have like 6 of them, and we only have one. Survivors are just spoiled, boosted, whiny, salty dickweeds. Or at least the ones I play against are.

Ya know what, I have nothing better too do Here are my reworks for annoying survivor perks and NOED Adrenaline: instead of healing, the perk activates for 30/40/50 seconds and if you are hit in that time, you go into deep wound NOED: same thing, except no haste effect. Also, vaulting, breaking pallets, and recovery from missed attacks is slower. DS: getting grabbed from a window/locker/pallet does not trigger DS Ok that’s all I feel like doin, you like these reworks?

@@cookieking725 the adrenaline change could actually be more busted if you think about it a sec. Like the NOED change, but idk cause i dont use it that much, and i honestly think DS just needs a complete rework and different ability, DS in theory is anti-tunnel, but in reality it is survivors can just brainlessly unhook and do gens in front of the killer for free.

But survivor perks like DH & DS also reward bad gameplay and mistakes? Should we rework those?

Like Noed, I'd argue that small game is a crutch perk. Once you get to the upper ranks, you start to get a feel for where the totems could spawn.

That is spot on.

Most people don’t, the main argument is it’s annoying and is a crutch perk bad killers use to guarantee one kill when otherwise all 4 survivors would’ve escaped

looping the killer, you are healed, the last gen is going to pop, killer has 3 hooks, and yeah generators are done and you got hit by noed *this annoying noed sound*, you are om hook and what? Your teammates escaped because of noed

Preach

There is no "smart" way to play around NOED with Killer. Unless the survivors are overly altruistic or just stupid, you will only get 1 kill Max because smart survivors will just leave. You cant camp 2 exit gates and a hook. Thats also not including your totem just getting cleansed outright because of shit totem spawns. And Haunted Grounds is only better in that it can at the least give you some snowball potential; it's still situational, but a good killer can at least make use of it whereas NOED is only good on bad killers on bad survivors.

I was gonna read your comment but...

@@bophadesknutz7798 NOED is literally haunted grounds but works until it's cleansed, and has a movement speed bonus. How can haunted grounds be good for snowball but noed not?

I disagree about how you downplay the usefulness and effectiveness of HG. Your argument of "if it activates at all" applies to NOED as well since survivors have multiple points in the game where they cant prevent and get rid of it. In regards to the implication of 60 seconds being a short amount of time and the perk being random, the killer can heavily influence when survivors cleanse the totems and 60 seconds is a long time in dbd; just look at DS. I would say on average, the effect of NOED doesn't even last that long. Even in the event you don't get a down during the time of HG, you can still force very strong pallets out of the game which in turn preps yourself for a smoother end-game. If survivors choose to not cleanse totems in fear of HG, you can pair it with another hex to punish them and force them to make a decision. Both perks are obviously situational in their own right but I would rather take a chance on HG instead of a perk they can prevent from happening in the first place and get rid of after it occurs.

@@green_the_ninja U can use tapps perk.

@@green_the_ninja Your point is completely irellevant, perk is simply always there so if you want to have an easy counter to noed use it, if you want to save a perk slot than find them by yourself. Also the thing u said is absolutely not true (only the calm spirit one is), detective's hunch can be also used to find other perks like ruin or mabey devour hope. Same goes with iron will it can be used against all killers and gives you a good chance to stay alive injured whole game.

Although I agree that NOED is not really a good perk, doing all the totens in all of your matches is just not reasonable, especially when you're playing solo and when you're at low ranks, which is the rank most killers who use NOED are. Even if you cleanse all the dull totens you see, almost all of your team mates are potatos anyway, and will spend too much time doing nothing for you to afford wasting time out of gens. And even after that, if you're a new surv, you simply don't know the totem spawn well enough to be able to cleanse the non-obvious ones, and that means, at the end of the match the hex will spawn at a super hidden totem and you'll be fucked. This is mostly not that big of a problem on high ranks, but that doesn't really matter because high rank killers aren't really the ones using NOED.

@@anabea3199 Exactly. Even in red ranks most survivors don’t know totem spawns.

So rancor should be nerfed too? (According to your logic)

You could say the same about DS. More often than not it rewards you by not being carefull and going for a suicide hook rescue. Also, if 4 people have it and use it, it would be equivalent to 4 hooks wasted, essentialy a full kill. That not even considering the small pp combo.

Super Sapojin rancour does not have the same effect as killers have to actually work around who their obsession is. It requires some thought which, in my opinion, noed doesnt

Gustavo Copé I guess that’s a fine example of Scott’s ‘whataboutism’ at work. I take ur point but more often than not decisive is used to prevent tunnelling or not used at all. If survivors are using it to hook bomb with the smol pp build then that’s a toxic player not a bad perk

@@Will-cc1co But there is a strong reason for whataboutism in this game. It takes fucking years for the devs to do something, of course you will want your ideas to be inplemented first, how much time it took for bubba to be buffed? I agree with the noed thing, but there's counterplay to that, you don't even need to do bones, just remember where you saw them, in my opinion, it could show survivor that you have noed since the start, so they either waste time breaking the totems or searching for it, or risk the insta down at the end of the game. But I also think that ds should only do what it's supposed to: prevent tunneling