Is it really that hard to separate fiction from reality? Can a normal person no longer indulge in a action flick? These twitter users need to realise not everyone is as pathetic and miserable as them

Godzilla is out here exposing media critics and I am HERE for it

I swear people are trying to find reasons (no matter how illogical they are) to hate on Godzilla x Kong and it's DUMB.

I mean...they ARE giant monsters, just by existing they pose a threat to humanity, let alone in a fight to the death.

At its simplest, we cheered because Skar King and enslaved Shimu drops into Rio with the intent to wipe out humanity world wide and the hero monsters body him while even freeing Shimu. The worst case scenario doesn't even get off the starting block. These critics didn't catch many Showa, Heisei, or Millenium Godzilla movies. Nor any Gamera movies. Nor the original king kong, beast from 20,000 fathoms, the original the lost world. Or any Die Hard movie.

Don't these critics cheer though when superheroes defeat the villains, while levelling the city in the process. I mean I really doubt those cities where empty when they began fighting. But as soon as a radioactive Lizard or giant Ape start doing it suddenly it's 'bad'.

I unsubscribed from a fair number of “critics” I used to like over the years precisely because they dropped any shred of objectivity by pointing the finger at the MonsterVerse as “all bad” (like not even trying to find any positives whatsoever) only to turn around and praise infinitely worse movies that had far worse problems (even completely ignoring the issues they ranted about when they popped up regardless in those other “favorable” movies). There’s others that are far more objective where they point out legitimate flaws or have another person on who explains things better, or just gave the franchise the old college try and it just wasn’t for them, and in those cases I’m lenient.

I swear there is just no pleasing these people anymore! The critics who don’t like this movie are those who don’t like to have fun.

Don’t critics realize that these Titans fighting in Rio are just colossal animals, not anthropomorphic superheroes or villains?

i mean, sure, the good monsters cause a lot of colateral damage even though that's not their intention, but the alternative is to have ALL of humanity wiped out by monsters who WANT to destroy humanity. Also, given that we saw in this movie that the world Goverments still want (and we see them trying) to take down Godzilla, i doubt he's too fond of humanity. He's kinda like 90s Gamera, he's the defender of Nature, not Humanity specifically

When you think about it, a lot of collateral damage was avoided in this flick!

How dare a movie about giant lizard and giant monkeys fight not have any realism!

No one complained about collateral damage in the showa films. Nobody questioned it in most of the superhero films we love today. There are legit critiques to be had with the MV, but the collateral damage thing is just haters scrapping at the bottom of the barrel.

I hate to be that "actually" guy, but in the first Avengers it's even worse. Hulk doesn't stop that space whale from crushing more of that building. Hulk AND Thor CAUSED that space whale to crash into the building by killing it. Hulk stuck a massive and sharp piece of debris into the back of that creature, and Thor used his hammer to drive that object into further into the beast, killing it and then the pair posed together for a moment in the building they had demolished (before Hulk punched Thor for laughs).

I get that they’re fair critiques but the ones who compare it unfavorably to Minus One makes me laugh.

Some people are allergic to escapism. Anything that takes them above misery isn't allowed for ANYONE

People are upset over this, jeez. I had the dark thought Scar King when looking down on the beach was going to start munching down on the people like Chaos from Primal Rage! Man this could have been real dark.

Honestly I kind of expected this to happen. This is JUST LIKE what happened with King of the Monsters.

I sometimes think about this while watching an Ultraman series. With the exception of Nexus, they only focus on the collateral damage when the story requires it. That doesn’t stop me from thinking about the implied deaths, though. But that probably comes from over a decade of discourse on the subject.

Age of Ultron made superheroics and saving people seem downright exhausting and I rather like that about it.

This is part of the reason why I really _hated_ Civil War. Yes, it sucks that the Avengers aren't always able to save everybody, but that's a far-cry from holding them _responsible_ for their deaths as if they somehow caused the incident that got those people killed. To me, it's nonsensical, because the parties who defend Civil War's rhetoric want to have it both ways... A huge part of Civil War is Tony feeling guilty because people have been saying he's reckless and that one woman showing him her son who died - quote, "You dropped a city on him." Yeah, that really doesn't work on me, when Age of Ultron literally showed Tony carrying an entire family out of an apartment in a bathtub, and the Avengers _refusing_ to blow-up the city until they evacuated _everyone they could._ In regards to the both-ways argument, the defenders then say, "saving those people doesn't justify losing everyone else, because the Avengers should have been able to save everybody. It's like when after a train-crash, everyone who survived is called a miracle while forgetting everyone else on the train _just died."_ So they want to play the "big-picture game" huh? Well, the Big-Picture Game doesn't work in their favor either for this argument, considering the Avengers saved _a lot more_ than the few who were lost, so Big-Picture, the Avengers still did the right thing. On that note...if we _really_ wanna talk Big-Picture, the Avengers should've blown-up the city from the get-go. Ultron was going to turn the city into an Extinction-Level Event Asteroid, killing _Billions_ of people in the process. The Big-Picture Numbers Game tells us, sacrifice the few hundreds to a thousand people in the city, blow-up the city, and save the entire human race. And that's where I always land on the spectrum. The damage done to Tokyo in Godzilla vs. Gigan or Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla is negligible, compared to what would happen to the _entire planet,_ had Gigan, Ghidorah, or Mechagodzilla went unopposed. The damage done to San Francisco is meaningless compared to what would have happened had the Muto's succeeded and propagated unopposed. And with Skar and Shimo, considering how much I hate cold weather and their plan was apparently another Ice-Age, yeah, Big-Picture wins every time.

Man, i couldn't agree with you more! I cannot believe that people can watch a movie as fun and lighthearted as GxK and complain about this!

I find it very ironic that these critics complain about the human characters and whine when the movie focuses on them for more than a minute, but are now super caring about the collateral damage that the Titans cause to the human civilians. And I find it even funnier that they're complaining about the collateral damage in this movie, while they most likely didn't use this stupid excuse for Godzilla vs. Kong.

You know the irony from this, there is one clip that complete parody where the Superman was hated while Godzilla got praised as the hero and Superman rant to the people about it. Talk about the irony.

How do we know that all these deaths and destruction aren’t building to the governments of the world uniting against the titans and Hollow Earth to Destroy All Monsters..?

I find it hilarious that this should have to be addressed in the first place. Oh twitter...

I really don’t understand why these critics are having issues now when tbf monsters are mostly literally the major issue for humanity when they walk around in cities and rampage. At least Godzilla and Kong is there idk why they’re this much of an issue with collateral for the humans it’s just a dumb argument in general. At least it makes for a good future story for the MV how much humanity at the other side is affected and isn’t okay with this new norm.

I do think there’s an argument to be made that the overall cost of the monster attacks in GvK and GxK should totally be addressed in a future project (Sort of like how G Day has been a recurring topic recently), but it shouldn’t detract from the entire film

This movie brought a lotta weirdos out the wood work. I was arguing with some one and they said the reason theyre going hard against G x K is to stop the misinformation of criticisms of movies that us Godzilla fans are allegedly spreading... Figuratively I laughed in their face at their dumb take. These people are off their rocker

I really admire how You make such intelligent counter arguments. I However can only make basic points. In the event of an unexpected Kaiju attack People will run for safety (The People on the beach ran away from The Scar King). It was shown in The Monarch Series that Japan had Godzilla shelters in place after the attack on San Francisco in 2014. It is very plausible that major cities around the world have Kaiju Shelters by now. If for the sake of the movie We believe Kaiju are real. Why can't We believe that all the civilians got to safety? In comic books random civilians somehow survive superhero battles all the time. As long as We don't see bodys or some kind of memorial (At the end of The Avengers movie, it was a very brief, blink and You miss it news clip) There is no reason to not just assume the random movie civilians survived too

Omni, I love ya, man, but Man of Steel isn't a bad movie because of the implied collateral damage, its a bad movie because its poorly written, doesn't understand Superman, and though Zack Snyder is a genius cinematographer, well... he's not a great director. I know you like it, but i seriously do not understand why. That said, I agree with you that saying collateral damage makes GxK bad is a bad faith criticism.

It kinda just sounds like people are looking for reasons to complain and nothing more.

Yeah unlike the Avengers movies where they try to minimize the amount of damage to both people n property they still got hit with the bill 4 all the damages n therefore had to bare the responsibility but in the Monsterverse I would love it if somebody tried to talk down to Godzilla, King Kong, Mothra n Shimo that they’re causing too much destruction in the midst of their battles it would b ridiculous that anyone would think that they could shame them into feeling bad about it

No matter what,when, were and how there are these people who I like to refer to as part Time fans who no matter what film is released will bash, critique and criticise nothing is good enough for them.

To mention your point on why Infinity War seems to be on Thanos' side, it is. But here's the thing, Thanos is the protagonist in Infinity War. It's his movie, that's why his point didn't get countered until Endgame. Excellent video btw

Putting aside the fiction vs reality point for a bit, why wasn’t the “Why are you cheering when people must have died” complaint not been a thing years ago. Why is this such a big problem now? Are people just growing up to be so uptight that they can’t even separate what’s real from what’s not real?

(14:55) Exactly, Godzilla and Kong didn't stopped Skar King and Shimo from destroying half of Rio de Janerio, but they did obviously prevented the Skar King form taking over the surface and causing more harm for both parts of the earth. And I find it ironic that no one made a similar criticism with the latter Showa films because they pretty much did the same thing in regards to human casualties and the destruction. 🌎🦖🤝🦍🎉 (0:34) "Silly rabbit, Twix are for kids" lol. 😏📲🐰🤭

Then again, how the hell are we going to figure out which of those reviews is in bad faith? Because it doesn't help how they would make a statement that sounds legit but comes off as pretentious and manipulative. Like with certain KZfaq web critics that used to be appraised, but now are seen as an example of what you shouldn't do with film criticism. Cinemas Sins, NerdStalgic, and Channel Awesome anybody?

The other thing is that it makes some sort of sense to hold superheroes accountable for their actions... they're superheroes. And also humans. You literally can't put Godzilla on trial and he could give a shit about collateral damage. I feel like people are applying Man of Steel logic, where they complained that Superman's whole thing is saving people and he didn't save enough people, to forces of nature that just don't care.

When Boys are about Four years old, part of their development is to Build Towers Up, then Knock Towers Down. This a normal and natural part of human development. Watching giant human-shaped monsters tear buildings down, with the implication those building will be completely rebuilt for the next movie, are a part of the appeal of the genre. It allows us to re-experience those childhood fantasies again for a few hours. I don't see anything wrong with that.

Thanos was a psychopath who I believe just needed a reason to justify his actions if it wasn't the environmental crusade groundhog's Day would have been just as good of an excuse he repeats his rhetoric key rehearsed it at nauseam

Here's the quote I saw, "do all monsterverse movies end with the characters celebrating winning a fight that caused the equivalent destruction of at least five 9/11s." I feel like that is a good observation pointing out most of the MV movies end in similar ways. I don't even get why hate that comment? From the quote that I saw, it doesn't seem like a mean spirited comment, but an observation about the endings of the MV movies.

Before anything else I want to say I agree with you for the most part. With that out of the way, for me at least I think the problem with Man of Steel was that I already didn't like the rest of the movie leading up to the final fight. Something I've noticed, both in my own experience and watching others review films, is that two movies can have a similar joke, plot point, or scene, but if you already aren't enjoying the film you'll tend to judge it more harshly. To use the example of Avengers vs Man of Steel; I watch one and think, "Alright! These characters I like are having an exciting fight scene!" I watch the other and think, "Oh great. This character I don't particularly care for is causing a ton of destruction." In addition, Man of Steel spent a lot of time philosophizing and musing about Clark role, and if he should or shouldn't save people. This combined with the films overall serious tone gives the impression that it should be taken more, well, seriously. To tie it back to topic of the video, it would be like if Minus One ended with the characters building Mechagodzilla and duking it out with Godzilla in the middle of a major city. Sure many monster movies have ended that way before, but that sort of ending wouldn't fit with the tone of the film or the points its been making. Anyway, just my thoughts. Thanks for reading

twitter is where intelligent, media literate film discourse goes to die. These people are brand new to the Godzilla franchise but wanna act like they know what they're talking about. This kind of collateral damage has been happening in the Godzilla series for 70 years. Only a few select films make it a point to center the destruction in a tragic, dramatic way. The MCU hypocrisy is really telling, especially when you get to Thanos. Infinity War ends with Thanos winning and wiping out literally HALF OF ALL LIFE IN THE UNIVERSE. And what do we actually see? Just some heroes getting dusted. That's it. There is no sense of the impact of Thanos' actions because all we see are some superheroes disappear. It has no real sense of widespread impact. How hard would it have been to take a few minutes to show people on Earth dusting, aliens on different worlds dusting, animals, etc. But no, we just see Spider-Man go bye bye and we're supposed to weep. Infinity War and Endgame are about cosmic scale disaster....yet the narrative is so narrowly focused on the heroes the outside world barely exists. We get one minor scene TALKING about the outside world with a few civilians, but other than that the MCU films are pretty much a bottle world where only the heroes matter and exist. There is no sense of humanity in a lot of later MCU films - no sense of the civilian world, no sense of texture or personality in this world. Part of what makes superhero stories impactful is how they incorporate the world around them, the people, the civilians. In the Raimi Spider-Man film the people of NYC are given personality. They're integral to each film. Even Man of Steel, the film that kicked off this pearl clutching over collateral damage discourse, shows Superman saving more people than most later MCU films. Not only that, it shows OTHER PEOPLE saving people, too. But I'm supposed to think MOS, a film with far more of a conscious about collateral damage and death, is somehow bad and wrong for ACTUALLY SHOWING IT!? Even GxK has enough shots of people reacting to the carnage/running away, etc.

I loved the movie. However, I'm getting really tired of the writers not knowing what to do with the human characters.

The point of Man of Steel was to show what would really happen if 2 god like beings did fight. The only problem I had with the climax of that movie is that ot went on slightly to long. With that said theres no way logically Superman could have stopped during that battle with Zod to save literally everyone it would have been impossible. What it really was is expectations because it was Superman some people went in expecting a more fun movie with Superman literally saving all the humans but that wasn't the direction MOS wanted to take. Those people are making the mistake of comparing the movie directly to the Reeves universe as if it's a continuation and not it's own reboot.

I've seen collateral damage when Power Rangers has megazord fights with buildings blowing up. And if anyone was inside (in the case of seasons 20 and 21) they would be trapped in rubble or injured, or in the most common instances, the building was empty.

That was a great discussion on the topic. It's amazing how some individuals got so much time to a complaint about fiction. But then again, that's modern philosophy in our times. Sad.

If you are searching for a well-done GxK negative critique, a small youtuber called C Animus just started a review series where he'll break down the movie's multiple components. The first part is already out. Feel free to watch. It will most likeky be worth your time, even if you don't agree that much with it. Also, feel free to check out the rest of his content. It's generally good stuff as well.

Godzilla KOTM is more my type of Monsterverse Godzilla movie, I prefer that tone and atmosphere. For me personally the monster fights had more weight and the stakes felt higher. I get people didn't the fights obscured by smoke and rain, and snow, or whatever it might be, but those felt more epic then two monsters brawling it out in broad daylight, or weightless in Hollow Earth. I guess if all the viewer cares about is monster fights and seeing them in bright light fine I guess, but I'd like a decent story to go with it. I've seen a lot of videos coming out to defend Godzilla X Kong which would be fine if it was actually a good movie. I don't know why people care so much the movie is making tons of money and they're going to make more so who cares if some critics or fans of these types of movies don't like it. I liked Godzilla KOTM which underperformed and sadly that tone and style that I liked was scrapped in favor for a more campy bright tone. I don't know what people expect, Godzilla Minus One is an actual well made movie, Godzilla X Kong is just a fun silly movie. It's okay to like one or the other or both, but you can't expect the same type of critical response when one is attempting to be good, and the other is just attempting to be mindless fun.

yeah, like you said I'm fine with all the death and destruction that happens in this movie because i know it's not real, i know those buildings that are being destroyed are not real and no one really dies in this movie. it would be a different story if those things happened in real life.

I think it’s both childish and stupid that people insist on arguing about a fictional character and acting like their opinion stands strong, like it’s all their good at in life.

You keep saying "trix" but can we not connect an alright chocolate bar to something ruined by musk.

-Thanos basically is the protagonist(still villain) in Infinity War. That is why he wins. The protagonist in any story always wins. Even if it is a villain that is the protagonist, and the hero is the antagonist.

The movie is all fiction. There's no need to get upset over a fiction movie .

Finally we have a godzilla movie with lots of monster fights and very little human crap and people still moan. ..those dudes need to touch and eat grass

There was plenty to hate about The Man Of Steel but not with the action scenes revolving around the fights n the destruction of towns n cities bcuz with superhero movies it’s to b expected that property damage will happen n anyone who went in n got all shocked about it should’ve seen it coming

I thought it was an entertaining film that knew what it was. Fun ride that was like a fighting video game or wrestling match . I thought to me King of the Monsters was a better overall film I enjoyed more in terms of what I like in a film.

I’ve always had the amount of collateral damage in the back of my mind when watching Power Rangers 😅

Thorias Unlimited also did a bad review of this film too.

13:09 I really hate the most. So many edgy kids are too cringe for me to watch.

Twitter users... I mean snowflakes

Excellent take, Omni viewer!

The one thing I will correct you on is that Civil War's plot came directly from the comics, it had nothing to do with Man of Steel.

These arguments that people make no sense at all.

I agree with what you are saying, It is very sad that you have to say it.......

I loved Man of Steel and still do. The destruction was awesome and at no time did I go home heartbroken bout anyone being in the buildings.

Isn’t that y people always put down into the end credits saying “no people or animals were harmed in the making of this movie“ to avoid catching verbal crap like this

Good god, have these guys seen literally any other Godzilla movie?

There was definitely more destruction and death in Godzilla King of the monsters 2019 because of King Ghidorah

Well said, and explained.

This is so crazy it's just a movie use yore head guys

Godzilla and Kong was a ridiculous and stupid movie 🍿 But I just loved it! Movie really took me back to the 70s Showa era of my Childhood which were also ridiculous but fun! Godzilla and Kong was a fun ridiculous movie. 😊

Thank u Omni 4 calling out Marvel on the crappy way they used Thanos in the movies

This sounds awfully familiar massive destruction in Man of steel this isn't good terrible to have that much destruction an entire city gets vaporized in avengers age of Ultron this is amazing

Very simple answer, IT ISN'T REAL. 😂😂😂

Godzilla movies are love budget b movies

These cancel culture crap is getting worst

I think it's a moralistic fallacy.

I feel like the decline in media literacy is also at work.

FUCK WHAT THE CRITICS THINK, THE MONSTERVERSE AND AVATAR REIGN SUPREME! AND FORGET THE OSCARS TOO..I MEAN, LET's BE COMPLETELY REAL HERE, HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY SAW "GREEN BOOK"? Lol...not being offensive but the Academy Awards and critics don't mean anything!

It doesn't make any sense, something could be bad and then a bunch of people cheer it on. Calling it hype and "fun". At times it feels like no matter how bad or illogical something is, the amount of people attacthed to it are going to defend it until the day they die. But sometimes it just ends up being funny when people know it sucks, and proceeds to get praised like some glowing alter attracting moths. Atp some of us just need to leave it alone and dedicate time to something better smh 😮‍💨

The movie to really compare GXK to is Batman and Robin. Both are silly films filled with over the top action scenes and pretty colors, make little to no sense, and are love letters to earlier and goofier eras of their IP's. Theyre stupid becuae the past eras were stupid, and thats why they're good.

I dont get why people always bring up the mcu fir these questions. The mcu has multiple scenes where the heros worked to reduce civilian casualties. The avenegers get a pass cause they worked to avoid that. At leadt thats my view on it.

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This is dumb, there are plenty of logical reasons to hate on GxK or the Monsterverse, especially hating on the Monsterverse past Kong: Skull Island.

The people who dislike the movie for those dumb reasons I don't agree with... However, I do think the movie was terrible. Probably my least favorite human characters in a Godzilla movie yet, insufferable. They are basically there to narrate what is happening because they assume the audience is so idiotic they can't figure out what they are seeing without explanation. The monster fight scenes I also largely didn't like. I didn't like the decisions they made with Godzilla, he's way too athletic, leaping into the air running all over the place. I was fine in the previous, he was certainly a lot more mobile than previous ones... He was able to run ect... but he still felt like Godzilla. In this one it doesn't remind me of Godzilla at all... The writing is absolutely horrific, I can't stand a single character. A ton of the things that are happening doesn't make any sense whatsoever... Why is Godzilla supercharged exactly? What effect does it have? he doesn't seem any more powerful to me. It just seems like pointless add. The half mech Kong is just dumb... Instantly "diagnosing" kong with frostbite then wow!!!! what a coincidence ! I have a replacement hand ready right now! booya! So stupid I can't facepalm any harder... I hate the inclusion of Mothra.... Seemed utterly pointless and didn't pay enough respect to the character. The only good in this movie is the segments with Kong early on without any humans. I enjoyed those scenes. The rest of the movie was one facepalm after another for me.

Godzilla minus one has really good visuals despite having less than half or half of this movie's budget, why is that? Its not just the plot or writing being compared this doesnt sum up the entirety of the movie, gxk's visuals and cgi are mid, after hyping up the villains and gman for so long they were severely underutilized in the movie, there were many monsters sure, but majority are just fillers, forgettable and just there just so "the more monsters" can be achieved. Fighting scenes especially the final fight was very short and underwhelming, after a few punches thrown, blast breathe it cuts up to a 2 minute or so farewell scenes like wth? The trailers revealed almost the entirety of the final fight, they barely added anything. I even forgot mothra appeared in this film for a moment cause she played no main role in the film, she's just there as prop fir the "more monsters" thing 😂 This is a billion dollar company movie, and you are describing the type of content skibidi series are doing, no story just giant monsters fighting, but they have way better visuals and sound effects, and idk for sure they may actually have a decent plot going on im new 😂

The only bad critique is saying this dumb movie is any good.