It was a sequel for a sequel for a sequel. Sequel ception

timrhicks1234 just mute the tv and play red alert or c&c 1 soundtrack 🕺🏻

Though there were quite a few unreasonable levels in the other campaigns such as gdi Croatia, which is nigh unplayable if to go through it as intended and nod's kane's tower.

So what was kane's wrath then?

​@@Litterbugtaylor an add on.

My feelings, too.

because simple game design leads to repetitiveness and becomes boring real fast, and he doesn't need to have the same opinions as you, he can feel different about games that you like

I've watched a lot of his vids about RTS's and I have to agree with you, most of his points about certain aspects are completly bullshit. Usually what he finds bad is the sole reason the entire community still plays the game. Kinda weird but oh well.

Yeah, C&C3 really lacks of tiberian flora and fauna.

Simplicity in RTS's is generally problematic. It's never good to have fewer tactical options.

Generals is vastly superior to TW in almost every aspect excluding proper mission video briefings. Factions are too generic, as each TW faction has some siege heavy "tank" unit, some heavy air bomber and most importantly all factions have the same gathering and building method just with different construction animations, hell even Scrin faction need to build powerplants and harvesters while able creating wormholes for structures with its "construction yard" even without having power plant... Units in TW are too generic even in design & unit voices, there are hardly any favorite units or quotes being remembered from this game that weren't in previous C&C games. TW UI is a mess compared to Generals, wherein Generals you can build and command superfast due to build/unit abilities shortcuts, with TW you enter 90 era of Tiberian Sun before the times of Starcraft again. Like literally, I don't know why they even produced TW that copying story from TS and also copying a large portion of his mid-90ties crappy user interface while having between mission video briefings that cannot even compare with the quality of decade-old Tiberian Sun (just look on story introduction videos in TS and then TW on youtube and try to tell me that TW CGI story videos from a decade later are actually superior). TW was a game design disaster that was gameplay evolution wise even behind Generals and likely the reason why EA was not willing to put as much money for further C&C projects as was needed. Even with that fact RA3 ended being a somewhat better game than TW that apart from adding CO-OP singleplayer had far more diverse factions and more memorable even though often graphic design wise fugly units even though RA3 development was clearly rushed.

Marfidude It's gonna be an FPS.

Actually you don't know that for certain. There could be something in-between.

The servers have been restored for 4 years now.

I didn't particularly care for C&C3 or Kane's Wrath, but the latter's for another video.

DWTerminator yeah, and I'm sure someone who's played or interested in more complex strategy games wouldn't necessarily care for the C&C games anyways. It's just too bad that EA turned these games into more of a cash grab before killing it off.

TW's campaigns are _way harder_ than KW's.

I don't review mods.

The one I play the most is Age of Empires 2. These days I mostly play "HD Edition" but I've had the original game since it came out back in '99. I also occasionally go back to Dawn of War 1 & 2 and Company of Heroes 1, though I haven't gone back to the latter in a long time now. Other than those, I don't really consistently play a lot of RTS's. It's a big time investment.

+DWTerminator Yeah I know what you mean. I constantly play dawn of war soulstorm skirmish mode but only after getting the Ultimate Apocalypse mod. It's a huge time sink but totally worth it, even when playing with the AI.

You should've asked this on the Duke 3D review instead of shoehorning it into the C&C3 review's comments section. I can't really help you much since I don't mod Duke 3D much (at all, really), but maybe someone else can.

DWTerminator I thought to do that, since it'd be more relevant there, and since you reply to quite a few comments. :/ I guess I didn't because I was being stupid? Thanks a bunch for the answer though!

Stone Heart it’s one reason why I kept my 360 to play such games. Been really enjoying KW a lot recently.

They are backwards compatible on xbox one now if thats what you mean.

RA 2 all the way friend :)

Halo Wars is an abomination.

+DWTerminator Really? no wonder no one is talking about it, more people talk about Halo ODST more than Halo Wars. Interestingly, Bungie had a case against a CnC ZH mod that feature Halo units that eventually caused it to be cancelled (though there was another Halo mod for ZH and its good) and the fact that it was Ensemble's last game is even sadder.

Yep, it's extremely depressing.

It tends to do that pretty often. It's worth checking out most of the games (except C&C4 anyway) just on the "the entire series was $5" basis at least.

Yeah, im pretty sure i'd get $5 of enjoyment out of it. How hard is it to run the games on new OS's?

All the 3D ones run fine without any tinkering. C&C1 and RA1 both need fanpatches to work properly, and Tiberian Sun & Red Alert 2/Yuri's Revenge run alright but have some pretty significant stability issues on modern systems.

Oh alright. Think i will go for it.

If nothing else, you'll be getting a bunch of games for a really low price.

There is tonnes of strategy, look up some games on Syberts channel and you will realize the game has a lot more depth to it.

This game's expansion, Red Alert 3, RA3's expansion, and C&C4.

DWTerminator How the hell were you able to play them all without getting bored?

I wasn't. It's why I took frequent breaks to do other things.

Nope.

... I think you meant "genre." Anyway... you're basically saying that we should stick with the exact same thing over and over again (thus languishing in mediocrity) instead of innovating. C&C3 is not "old school." It's simply downright *primitive* compared to other RTS's out there by that point. People are willing to accept that for retro games, HD remasters, or remakes of old games... They (rightly) aren't willing to accept it for fresh releases.

Yes i would be so happy to have a new RTS with resource gathering, base building and good AI! And in a Command and Conquer game that is a must. And of course it hast to implemented in a good campaign. Not like Star Craft 2 which campaign feels so wrong. The AI is none existing. There are just scripts that spawn enemies in a loop while you enter checkpoints. If you observe an enemy base you see that the harvester never actually harvest minerals its just for show! Even in skirmish the AI just makes a huge army and attacks. Barely using any other tactic. Star Craft 1 AI was much more complex.

You may want to take a look at Grey Goo. I've not played much of it yet but it's trying to be a "spiritual successor" to C&C.

Cossacks reviews are on the "to do" list but I don't have any time table for them right now.

Okay. Thanks for the info. These games have some great mechanics. Looking forward to it.

You act as if balancing issues haven't plagued the entire series since the beginning. People like to conveniently forget that.

This has nothing to do with the older games, this game and it's succesors have a different case - they wanted to make a ballanced, e-sports style game, but they failed because of the publisher, EA. This time they really wanted to make something out of it but EA didn't get it and\or didn't care that you need to put a bigger effort if you want to make a succesful, balanced RTS. It might ended up as unballanced as the older games in the series but the reasons for that were totally different.

Really not seeing where you're trying to dig "e-sports" out of C&C3 & RA3. The game came out in 2007. E-sports didn't really become a big thing until more recently (ie. 2010-on), and there are a handful of games that have always dominated them, Counter-Strike and StarCraft being the two that are apparently incapable of being unseated. I see absolutely no information *at all* to suggest EA was interested in doing an "e-sports" style game. Hell, RA3 was built *almost entirely* around co-op, which is as far from e-sports as it gets.

I used to keep up with what was going on in the community back then in the Game Replays and CnC forums. Like you said EA as a publisher didn't want to make it an e-sport, because for that to happen you need to put an effort into patching and think less about churning sequels, but the community and devs tried and were enthusiastic about it. They came close but ultimately they failed because of many reasons...

C&C is inherently too unbalanced to ever work as an e-sport. Superweapons pretty much entirely destroy what semblance of balance the game has to begin with, let alone the unit issues. Frankly any efforts to turn it into such are a wasted venture and actively go *against* what makes the series entertaining in the first place.

The devs of C&C had EA's backing... their budgets were high enough to afford the big name actors, though they went kinda overboard with RA3's cast. And kudos for mentioning the FMV's in Jedi Knight. I'm still amazed by how well those hold up even 18 years later.

DWTerminator Thanks, man. Jedi Knight doesn't get enough credit for how well it pulls off its FMVs. I've seen people dismiss those FMVs as being bad or cheap, but I found them to be better quality than the FMVs of the Command & Conquer series, Rebel Assault II, and even the Star Wars prequels. The scene in particular where Kyle kills Maw is an example of the kind of acting you don't see in other FMVs. I think that any modern game which wants to use FMVs should study the FMVs in JK. I still want to see a Dark Forces sequel which continues the FMV tradition from JK.

At the end of the month.

It's been pretty rough.

life definitely aint easy bro. DWTerminator

I didn't particularly care for it, no. It's not particularly bad either though, so there's that. And I don't even *want* to know how atrocious the game is to play on console. I played Halo Wars... that was *more* than enough for me to know how awful an RTS is on a gamepad.

DWTerminator Well i gotta say i actually quite enjoyed Halo Wars to be honest but just Tiberium Wars and Kanes Wrath i just look at it and think What the hell happened

Halo Wars is an absolute disaster. That said, a base-building RTS like C&C has no place on console. There *were* attempts to bring it to other systems (ie. PSX, N64) in the past but they were pretty pathetic.

ign: 7.4/10 cnc 4

@@radalert6310 it would keep the high rating if the game is not named cnc 4 :)

Literally every single RTS I've ever played on console has been an absolutely miserable experience due to the controls simply not being suitable for that style of gameplay. C&C3 would be no exception.

I find that extremely hard to believe.

Who cares what you belive. You gave Dark Cruasade 2,5/5. But from all console RTS games, Supreme Commander 2 have best controls.

Oh boo-hoo. Dark Crusade's absurdly overrated. It got what it deserves, which on my scale translates to "underwhelming." From what I remember, Supreme Commander requires a lot of micro-management. I can't see that translating to good or even acceptable controls on console. Hell even a game like Halo Wars made exclusively for console has crappy controls.