Rolex Sea Dweller 43MM vs Grand Seiko Spring Drive Diver SBGA229 vs 126600)

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5 жыл бұрын

Contact tmosso@thewatchbox.com for pricing and availability; Either I have it, or I can get it! Rolex vs Grand Seiko has been a marquee title fight from the first day that watch buyers and watch sellers decided to compare the best luxury watches from Switzerland and Japan.
New for 2017, the 50th anniversary Rolex Sea Dweller 126600 marked the return of the famed "Red Sea Dweller" to the Rolex catalog. Water resistant to 1220 meters and equipped with the Sea Dweller's signature helium gas release valve, this is a luxury dive watch for the 21st century that pays tribute to the finest Rolex sports watches of the 20th century. A unidirectional diving bezel with Cerachrom ceramic insert allows easy tracking of time while resolutely resisting scratches.
Rolex fits an automatic caliber 3235 to the Sea Dweller. This mechanical movement features a 3 day power reserve (roughly 70 hours), hacking or "stop seconds" for precise setting, an a quick set date mechanism with Rolex cyclops eye magnifier.
Each Rolex Sea Dweller 43mm includes a stainless steel Rolex Oyster bracelet and diving clasp with both glidelock for incremental sizing an fliplock for full extension over a diving suit.
The Grand Seiko Spring Drive Diver SBGA229 was launched as the SBGA029 in 2008 and refreshed with a new "Grand Seiko" exclusive dial for 2017. This 44mm stainless steel luxury dive watch includes a full stainless steel diving clasp with incremental extension for use over a diving suit, and the SBGA229 is rate water resistant to 200 meters.
Inside its Zaratsu polished steel case, the Grand Seiko Spring Drive caliber 9R65 spins away with quartz watch precision and mechanical watch soul. This unique caliber is accurate to +/-15 seconds per month, and it teams automatic winding with a three day (72 hour) power reserve. A 30 jewel caliber built by a Grand Seiko watchmaker, the Spring Drive system's visual hallmark is the uninterrupted smooth sweep of its second hand. A power reserve indicator on the dial ensures that the owner will not take the plunge while low on mainspring energy.
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The Rolex Sea-Dweller 4000 features a 43mm stainless steel case with a black Cerachrom bezel surrounding a black dial on a stainless steel Oyster bracelet with folding buckle. Functions include hours, minutes, seconds and date. The watch also measures 15mm in thickness and 50.5mm from lug-to-lug.
The Grand Seiko Spring-Drive features a 44mm stainless steel case surrounding a black dial on a stainless steel bracelet with folding buckle. Functions include hours, minutes, seconds, date and power reserve indicator. The watch also measures 14mm in thickness and 50.6mm from lug-to-lug.
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@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын

Now that you've seen my choice, which of these deluxe diver do you prefer? Best, Tim

@DanielJones-du8ud 5 жыл бұрын

Grand Seiko for sure!!!

@rcm4u2 5 жыл бұрын

The sea-dweller!

@Francis0275 5 жыл бұрын

Owning both. GS for sure!!!

@watch_MrG 5 жыл бұрын

GS win this one

@mb-watches 5 жыл бұрын

In this comparison I do definitely prefer tge Rolex, I just cannot der over the weird hour hand and the over all design of the GS. Personal taste though, the GS is just not my cup of tea ...

@vdbdg 5 жыл бұрын

The main difference is you can actually buy the GS while no Rolex AD will sell you their watch.

@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын

Oh, they'll sell you the watch, but it'll feel like waiting for the Titanic to finish its maiden voyage. Wait lists are the dominant feature of the new Rolex market in 2018, but your order eventually will arrive. But even with zero-waits for both watches, I just find the Grand Seiko more appealing. Best, Tim

@russdenney 5 жыл бұрын

A couple of months ago, I went to a Rolex AD I had not done business with previously. I bought a DJ 41mm and asked to be put on the list for the new SD. Got it two weeks later.

@vdbdg 5 жыл бұрын

Russell Denney Now that’s intel I can use. Now I must convince my wife that she needs a DJ rather than a Cartier Tank...

@vdbdg 5 жыл бұрын

WatchBox Reviews Hi Tim, the GS definitely has a lot going for it however I think they haven’t yet nailed the styling of their diver range like their dressier pieces. This version of the SD is ideal to me and god forbid Rolex should remove that red line, its secondhand price will double overnight which will never happen to the GS. The Watchbox asking price for the SD is proof enough of its investment potential.

@awesomises 5 жыл бұрын

If you aren't treating the GS staff like junk, they will also offer a minimum of 20% discount, would you look at that

@richardbaptist5080 5 жыл бұрын

I prefer the grand seiko. Prefer the dimensions, the case finishing, the dial, including the power reserve, and the movement. Rolex wins with the bracelet, however never bought a watch for a bracelet. The GS is almost 50% cheaper than the Rolex with similar quality - no brainer.

@steveottavaino3804 5 жыл бұрын

Having both brands in my collection I will agree with your decision wholeheartedly. When Grand Seiko, more broadly in the US and internationally, establishes itself as an aspirational brand Rolex may wish they’d flooded the market with stainless steel sport watches when they could move them. Love both brands, each have their place, but the proof of the pudding is in the eating so I suggest watch enthusiasts go taste a Grand Seiko and find your own personal proof and truth. Thanks for sharing Tim. Cheers.

@Chris-es3wf 5 жыл бұрын

Wishful thinking. Costs more to maintain a GS than any Rolex. Most watchmakers can service the Rolex movement with their eyes closed. The Grand Seiko will forever be an expensive service proposition. If I'm going to shell out $1,000 USD for a service, I'll stick with a JLC or higher.

@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын

My pleasure, Steve. You make great points about both brands. Owning a range of brands is the best solution since it makes the qualities of these marques complementary rather than exclusive. Best, Tim

@otobotrecords 5 жыл бұрын

@@Chris-es3wf The thing is, the Rolex has to be serviced every 7 years or so latest. The GS Spring Drive has less friction in the drive train and will not lose accuracy at all even after decades due to the ingenious construction of the Tri-Synchro-Regulator. If a spring drive is not forcefully damaged by accident or willingly, it is estimated that it will run perfectly for about 50 years.

@steveottavaino3804 5 жыл бұрын

Chris Hi Chris, thanks for your comment. Not sure how much a service for a Grand Seiko costs, never had to service mine and don’t know anyone else who had to service theirs, they are practically bullet proof, as are Rolex divers. Perhaps you did your homework on the servicing costs, I rotate my watches so I rarely have to service them. My Tag Heuer Carrera chronograph (daily beater watch) is 17 years old and is just now running about 6 seconds slow each day. All that said with a $6K dollar saving (retail comparison) and assuming your GS service cost quote is correct and, of course, you can get a steel Rolex sub for retail you’ve got 6 GS services (or 3 more nice watches) in reserve if you buy the GS. 6 service intervals is a lot longer than I’m going to live for sure, of course you may be considerable younger than I Chris. I own both, as I’d stated I love Rolex watches (own a two tone bluesy & a day-date, had many others I sold) but if you can ignore the brand name and concentrate on what make a watch truly great you’ll find the Grand Seiko is just a better watch. Perhaps not the best watch for you or everyone else (emotional appeal, public recognition, aspiration branding play a role) but superior in all objective measurements none the less. Just my opinion based on years of ownership; but remember always buy what YOU love and enjoy the hell out it!! Be well Chris.

@vgcamara 3 жыл бұрын

@@Chris-es3wf service cost for the 9R65 movement is 430€. not sure where you're getting your quotes from

@e.e9331 5 жыл бұрын

Such a clean and informative video. Thank you

5 жыл бұрын

GS for me. Too many people have Rolex.

@mattpeters6224 5 жыл бұрын

I guarantee you have never seen this watch in public. What are you talking about?

@ZCT808 5 жыл бұрын

I am a frequent flyer, I fly a couple of times a week, often sit in first class, sit in club lounges, and in those places mingle with plenty of people who rock a nice timepiece. I have literally never seen an SD43 in the wild, ever, period. And I've only seen one ever in an Authorized Dealer. It is a truly ridiculous statement that too many people have a watch anything like the SD43. It's kind of like saying I'll never buy a Mercedes because too many people own one. Just weird.

@daniellee8162 4 жыл бұрын

Too many people with disposable income has it.

@Birdylockso 4 жыл бұрын

@@ZCT808 , what city are you at? Here in Hong Kong, two of my friends own a SD43. They are just too bulky for a Chinese wrist, imho.

@adrianw3985 5 жыл бұрын

Love the SBGA229, incredible tech in the Spring Drive.

@RightWingRadioShow 5 жыл бұрын

I wondwe which insert actually looks better.

@vudoodaddie 5 жыл бұрын

GS all day!

@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын

We agree all day! Thanks for watching :-) Best, Tim

@ericzeigler8669 3 жыл бұрын

Does the spring drive movement have a hack? That is important to me.

@marc6652 5 жыл бұрын

Easy to choose : look at the precision after a month. Maybe one seconde with the Seiko. More than one minute with the Rolex... Spring drive is an unbeatable quality.

@Chris-es3wf 5 жыл бұрын

That's a logical fallacy. MVMT quartz beats them both if that's your perspective (not something anyone here would be caught dead wearing).

@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын

I agree with you Marc; GS leads in the luxury sports watch class. Obviously, a cheap quartz watch can keep better time, but nobody's seriously considering a $6,000-$11,000 watch as an alternative to a $200 quartz. The question is which **luxury** class product is the most precise while retaining the qualities of a luxury timepiece. Comparing a cheap quartz to a Grand Seiko or Rolex is missing the point; a $65,000 Corvette is far faster than a thoroughbred Triple Crown winner, but the horse is worth $20,000,000; factors other than outright speed matter here as surely as factors beyond absolute precision matter in the case of the watches. Best, Tim

@algorithm007ify 5 жыл бұрын

Why not look at the water resistance? Resale value? Case materials ? ;)

@otobotrecords 5 жыл бұрын

@@Chris-es3wf What? Show me one MVMT watch that keeps an accuracy of 1s per month. That is HAQ (High Accuracy Quartz) territory the GS Spring Drive can fulfill, but not the cheap cheap cheapo garbage quartz movement of any MVMT watch.

@otobotrecords 5 жыл бұрын

@Dapdoi Ardon You betta stfu, if you don't know that Casio has no HAQ models. If you had said Bulova or Citizen... they have HAQ at good prices. And don't suggest atomic or GPS sync because that's cheating compared to HAQ.

@acorntree404 5 жыл бұрын

ceramic bezel for the GS??

@jacc88888 5 жыл бұрын

Great review. Can’t decide between the two. Both awesome watches with very different advantages.

@TheDerisavi 5 жыл бұрын

Hi Tim, Would you compare the GS sbge201 to a ROLEX GMT MASTER II ? I think it will be a HOT! Comparison. Thanks.

@almoscola8684 5 жыл бұрын

I agree wholeheartedly, GS all the way and I am proud to have the 229 and others in my collection.

@williamwoody7607 2 жыл бұрын

That Seiko case is flawlessly executed. Swing and a miss for Rolex.

@metalobliteration 5 жыл бұрын

Spring drive and that band make me think Seiko is gonna have a 70’s repeat. Where they almost put Rolex out of business during the Quartz Crisis

@Pete_YT 5 жыл бұрын

I'm a Grand Seiko guy as the finish and attention to detail is unlike anything in price range. However the Sea Dweller is my favourite Rolex due to it being pinnacle of engineering and less commercial - a true tool watch and in my opinion the one to get over a Rolex Sub

@eijiroinouye4115 4 ай бұрын

How do you feel about the Grand Seiko SLGA001 🤔❓️

@omarbustos4672 5 жыл бұрын

How much.is it , gran seiko dri er sb

@WatchDanReviews Жыл бұрын

“Click quality”…we are a scrupulous bunch aren’t we? Love it! Great video, Tim!

@Rockthespaceship 3 жыл бұрын

The GS for me - the Spring Drive is on another level entirely. I would brush the polished parts of the bracelet, though.

@AbdulRWatches 5 жыл бұрын

Both great option, one is very cool, and know everywhere. The other is far better made, and more unique. My choice would be also the GS.

@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын

Good call. My choice -- if it were truly my own coin -- would be the titanium counterpart to this steel SBGA229. The SBGA231 is today's GS in titanium with a matching bracelet. I didn't use it in the video because its titanium construction makes the 231 too different from the Rolex to compare fairly. Best, Tim

@nguyendinhquan92 3 жыл бұрын

wrist your size please???

@timetrader6064 5 жыл бұрын

Both are quality and I'd be happy with either but no way the SD is worth x3 times more than the GS.

@davidursini4740 3 жыл бұрын

You should really compare the SBDB011 Marinemaster 600 to the Sea Dweller.

@phupisitsmittinet3988 5 жыл бұрын

I have both, I think GS is really good watch but after wearing for a few hours it kind of hurt the wrist (you can see lion emblem on your wrist). Rolex is more flat and more stick to the wrist and wear better. My wrist is 6.75

@highnrising 5 жыл бұрын

If that's the case with the Seiko, I think you should get rid of the watch.

@chelious1973 2 жыл бұрын

Means its too big on you. Mine wears like a glove.

@dwhat598 5 жыл бұрын

Should have used the seiko 600 marine master to compare.

@Wagnerky 5 жыл бұрын

Man the GS is just stunning. Love em both but i think i prefer GS

@jigrodrigues 5 жыл бұрын

I prefer the GS, but hey, I would be so happy with either one of those super watches

@andrewmancuso276 4 жыл бұрын

It’s like comparing a Toyota to a BMW: the pretty one with better value vs a classic with timeless refinement. Both will get you to where you want to go, but only one makes a statement. Easy choice for me...

@sayedelkady5081 4 жыл бұрын

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@robertd4468 3 жыл бұрын

The bracelet on the GS is lacking. I looked at one and almost bought it but the bracelet was the reason I didn’t. The bracelet links are too thin in proportion to the watch as a whole. Had the bracelet matched the watch I’d be wearing it right now.

@tonycaro1834 5 жыл бұрын

I own both of the brands. Have SSSub, a Deep SD and Seiko SBGE201 and SBGA231 They are very different in many ways and love them both but I see too many fakes Rolex out there and don't like when asked if the watch is real. I don't buy them for investment I buy them to wear them and scratch them. One day it will be given to my son and he will carry on with the fun. PS: Dont buy watches for investment, it's not the way to make money. My opinion

@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын

We completely agree, buy the watch because YOU like it and wear it! Those scratches surely have some interesting stories! - WatchBox Team

@tonycaro1834 5 жыл бұрын

@@the1916companywatchreviews Agreed 100%

@rolandoosis453 4 жыл бұрын

Very well said. Its something that you can past on to your son and will share the story that this watch own by his father.

@inkhaurt5812 5 жыл бұрын

I would pick Grand Seiko. Tim, don't forget also that GS has the upper hand in movement finishing. Grand Seiko's SPRIG DRIVE finishing is on par with JLC and it leaves ROLEX's movement finishing in smoke. It just does not stand a chance at all.

@gmansplit 5 жыл бұрын

The fuck's a sprig drive? I find it even funnier that you edited this comment and it still says that.

@inkhaurt5812 5 жыл бұрын

@@gmansplit "The fuck's a sprig drive?"? .... Well, I don't know. You tell me what is a sprig drive.

@FazerWiz 5 жыл бұрын

The fact that you're even comparing the GS with a watch twice its cost speaks volumes for it. Personally I'd like to see a SBGE201 style bezel on the SBGA229. With the addition of a fully illuminated, sapphire crystal capped bezel, reasons to buy the Rolex would dwindle down to merely investment (assuming the current bubble doesn't burst once the new sink hole of China is filled) and bragging rights. For me the GS is the Nissan Skyline of the watch world: It does almost everything better than traditional luxury purchases, for less money and is the smart choice for real enthusiasts who like to admire their own choices rather than wanting other people to admire them. One last point, you're less likely to get mugged for the GS - something that's becoming a real problem for Rolex owners, even in nice areas.

@andrewbrown5636 5 жыл бұрын

Had the 126600 nearly a year now but would still prefer a BP FF on the x71 bracelet over it any day

@JohnSmith-rm7xk 4 жыл бұрын

Rolex does have their bracelets on point. Love that GS though. Own both brands. Just wish that GS would focus now on their bracelets. If they pulled off a nice bracelet like their watches are built..... WHOO, now we’re cookin’ with gas!!

@jackburtonstwin 5 жыл бұрын

Judged as watches I would go with the GS. It is just a special piece. As a purchasing decision there is some sense to the Rolex as a new purchase given the second hand residuals are so strong. That said, the GS is already half the price (new), technically the superior watch , and if purchased second hand, represents stunning value for money given the irrationally steep devaluation of GS watches in the US and European markets.

@FerriF1A 5 жыл бұрын

Great reviews. Very interesting. Many people lean towards GS in below comments. I have 3 GS, Panerai, Rolex Hulk and have the SD on order because of the new movement. I like GS. Feels good, looks good. I like Rolex. Don’t wear Rolex often due to status but I must admit that Rolex is a must have in the collection. GS is great for daily wear because no one recognizes GS beside a ‘good looking’ watch comment I get occasionally.

@Karina_R40207 3 жыл бұрын

If you have the money you should definitely buy the Rolex. It is not only a future classic, it is also more stable in value.

@brianc8148 5 жыл бұрын

can someone tell GS their diver is oversized

@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын

Compared to this Rolex? The GS is a bit more wearable in person. And there's a titanium version of this GS for lighter feel on the wrist. As for a more direct Japanese Submariner size match, consider the 2017 SLA017 "62MAS" homage watch as a more wearable size from the Seiko/Grand Seiko world of watches. Best, Tim

@Roughdraft214 5 жыл бұрын

You can judge a watch simply on its size. Watches can appear large or small, lug to lug is probably more important because that determines how it fits on your wrist. The dial size plays a huge factor in watch size appearance, a larger case with smaller dial will appear small even if it’s a larger watch (size) while a smaller watch can appear larger if it has a larger dial. Anyway I never let the size alone determine if I can wear a watch you just have to wear it and see.

@vukotabrajovic5988 5 жыл бұрын

For me, GS wins hands down. Tried them both recently and, as much as I love Rolex watches, I think that the price tag of this SD is simply an overkill. Plus, Rolex added that awful cyclops lense, so the only distinctive feature of SD is now gone. Also, 43mm and overall thickness seems pretty ridiculous for anyone, except hip-hop performers, maybe some sportsmen...etc. GS is simply way more classy watch and the case finish is superior. Add to that maybe the most interesting movement on the market and we have a winner here! Btw, I totally agree that the bracelet is much better on Rolex, and its quality is definitely top-notch, but simply it is too large and chunky, as well as overpriced... Anyways, big thumbs up for the review!

@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын

I agree with everything you wrote: good summary! For my money, GS just offers a more appealing watch, and I'm 100 percent certain that the SD43's Cyclops Eye was included solely to create an obvious distinction between this and the Deep Sea. I never really "got" the 50th anniversary Sea Dweller since it replaced the SD40/116600 with a watch that's uncomfortably close to the Deepsea in size and appearance. Plus, for 2018, the Deepdea features reduced lugs and gains the 70-hour caliber 3235 from the SD43... which makes them even more similar... Best, Tim

@damachine3 5 жыл бұрын

@@the1916companywatchreviews I thought they included the cyclops because they finally could. Perhaps both reasons. It may be closer to the new Deepsea with the size (although I really do notice the thickness difference) and the 3235 movement, but it needed to differentiate against the Submariner at the same time. My new (2018, 126660) Deepsea has differentiation with the cool James Cameron dial, no cyclops, and those ugly words they put on the face. ;) Perhaps that all means it's tough to have room to differentiate when you're in the middle. As for differentiation, at least the SD43 has the red line to celebrate the 50th Anniversary. Mine also has the Mk1 dial, which is only offered in the first year of production. I really love my SD43 and I love my James Cameron Deepsea...and I also love my other diving watch, my Submariner Hulk. I also love my...anyway. ;)

@ZCT808 5 жыл бұрын

In all fairness Vukota, who is *making* you buy a Sea Dweller? You don't like the size or the price? You could buy a Submariner for over four grand less money. Because you don't actually *need* a helium escape valve do you? Although honestly, I think you're confused, I've tried on the SD43 and it simply isn't as big as you are implying, unless you have tiny tiny wrists. But again, it's a luxury tool watch, for extreme professional divers. The Submariner is more than adequate for 95% of divers, and still rated 100m more than this Seiko. Let's be real, Rolex also defined this market space. Seiko is merely an interloper trying to cash in on a dive watch trend. Go find me some photos of the early deep divers wearing a Grand Seiko back in the day. As for the 'overpriced' argument, that's just stupid. I just went to a very popular pre-owned luxury watch retailer; they have three SD43 watches in stock right now, and the cheapest is $2K over MSRP and the most expensive is $3K over MSRP. If this watch were indeed overpriced, the value would fall through the floor the day you left the dealership, like buying a Lincoln. When they routinely change hands for MORE than MSRP it is a clear indiction that the price is absolutely fine.

@dpw1989 5 жыл бұрын

Pin and collar on the GS? Really? A threaded aftermarket bracelet is $100, common Seiko , get with it and stop doing 'cheap' on some elements on your watches.

@tomcognilio1816 4 жыл бұрын

Grand seiko precision 15sec a month vs 60sec per month... I’m sold with GS

@SpeedyNeo 5 жыл бұрын

While the GS is made better, the Rolex subjectively looks better. The 2 are very reliable products but one is a better investment.

@Chris-es3wf 5 жыл бұрын

And yet Rolexes have increased in value above US inflation rate for the last two decades.... An investment is defined as: "a thing that is worth buying because it may be profitable or useful in the future". They should not be considered investments when purchased, but they meet the criteria. Only certain Rolex and Pateks cross this threshold. That's simply a numerical fact, regardless of your personal opinion.

@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын

@Hue Man: Fact. Bonds are better investments than Rolex, so logically, we should spend our money on those. Luxury watches are illogical, and the current bubble in steel Rolex (and some in precious metal, too) is a product of the last three years. Before that, you could buy steel Subs and Daytonas all day long at ADs. Expecting the current market to endure is self-deception, and I advise collectors to look at Rolex the same as any luxury brand; owning them will cost you money one way or another. You can get in and out quickly -- break even or perhaps make a buck -- but those who buy to own need to acknowledge that the current marketplace won't endure indefinitely. Best, Tim

@highnrising 5 жыл бұрын

@@Chris-es3wf As a consumer, you have to consider the fact that the dealer is not going to pay you his retail price if you sell the watch. (Or you have to do it yourself on ebay or Chrono 24 and spend hours photographing the watch, posting the listing, dealing with inquiries and finally shipping it out.) There are also costs for servicing the watch every seven or eight years (or maybe more frequently) that have to be factored in. With all the Rolexes being produced today, it's unlikely that the watch will go up in value, unless there's something that makes it odd or rare.

@Solrac924 2 жыл бұрын

I'd prefer the GS. I have the Gold Snowflake & love it. My next divers will be the SLGA015.

@212Hasse 5 жыл бұрын

I smile at myself when you made an excellent fair comparison between these two beautiful time-pieces. For someone who is practical in spending, yet prefer high quality items in design, functionality, and quality; Grand Seiko Spring Drive Diver is an absolute choice I would purchase. With money saved in buying GS Spring Drive Diver - Japanese made, I do not mind getting Tudor Pelagos (Blue) or Tudor North Flag for Swiss made timepiece. Congrats WatchBox Reviews for being fair.

@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын

Hi Hazman, thanks for watching! Grand Seiko won this face-off fair and square; that SGA229 is a worthy winner. And as you note, money saved can be used to build out a collection that includes Swiss watches from the extended Rolex (i.e., Tudor) family. Best, Tim

@En_Gho 3 жыл бұрын

I'll take the SBGA229 any day.

@waynenish4532 4 жыл бұрын

I tend to wear watches 24/7. Between the two, the GS is far more comfortable on the wrist, and under your head at night. With reference to their respective 4000m to 200m WR ratings, the difference is abundantly clear. The Rolex Sea Dweller was designed as a substantial luxury tool watch possibly used in harsh conditions while the refined Grand Seiko Spring Drive Diver was designed for normal everyday use, and wears much easier as a result.

@d.v.r.7173 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I noticed that too. I have worn a Sub since the early '90's. Both 5 and 6 digits. Never could sleep comfortably with any of them. Now, I hardly take my GS of my wrist anymore. I simply do not notice it while sleeping. Strange but true. The bracelet may feel less sturdy but I think they were after comfort first while still being more than tough enough.

@Birdylockso 4 жыл бұрын

I am more aligned with this review better than the one by another channel. So, similar to this conclusion, my opinion is: I own a Rolex SM and GS SBGA031, (Titanium and prettier face), for about 4-5 years each. Hands down, I like GS by far, because of 1) the extendable clasp when I wear diving wet suit, 2) brighter luminosity underwater, 3) the accuracy without having to adjust the time each month, 4) super impressive technology, 5) overall more interesting to look at than the plain Rolex SM. (BTW, I doubt the difference between 200m and 300m is that big of a deal, because no one goes that deep anyway, and I've had no problem going down to 30m with either one of them. And the titanium clasp of GS does NOT feel less of a quality than RSM at all. Also, the 44mm size does not feel or look 44mm.) However, Rolex appreciate in price overtime. Mine is close to doubling in value in the last 5 years. I don't understand it, but it is what it is, (and I'm not complaining). Conclusion: Get the Grand Seiko for yourself, and get the Rolex for you and your kids. Now that I have a couple of entry level luxury watches, one from Switzerland and one from Japan. What dive watch should I buy next, other than these two countries? Italian Panerai?

@bullitt411 5 жыл бұрын

For the proposed money of the SD, you can simply have the best of both worlds. Buy the GS for the tech/innovation and value and use the extra 6-7k you're saving over the Sea Dweller and buy an Explorer for the investment and implied gravitas.

@gman5218 5 жыл бұрын

Good point 👌

@tantu2395 4 жыл бұрын

You only need one of those 2, as they both are good make watches that can last for life if you have a regular schedule for service, perhaps get a G shock for spare in case the service time comes. 😊

@IanD-ut4dy 5 жыл бұрын

If you're an actual deep diver, the Sea-Dweller clearly wins. I also prefer the cleaner look of the Rolex. The spring drive does a hell of a lot for the GS and I have the Snowflake, so I should be bias towards the GS, but in this race, I find the Sea-Dweller a much better option.

@almoscola8684 5 жыл бұрын

I have the SBGA229 and she will never leave the collection!

@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын

Nice! Gotta hold on to your favorites! - WatchBox Team

@afarooq9086 4 жыл бұрын

When you pay 10 to 12K for a rolex you don't really know where the money is going but having known the history behind Spring Drive movement and their finest quality you can easily understand where your every penny spent on a GS is going. The way GS specially their spring drive is getting popular so rapidly I really don't think they will be worth the same in ten years time, definitely time and a half if not the double in value. Cuz demand is getting high and high every day for these pieces. Can't wait to buy myself GS SBGA415, can't think of any other watch since I have seen that beauty. Quality screams on your wrist and no object sparkles and plays with the light the way Zaratsu finish does. People who have no understanding about horology even they get fascinated by the look and ask you what watch are you wearing? That's called a Luxury watch.

@atsikoudis7 5 жыл бұрын

grand seiko all the way

@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын

We agree. For good measure, use the savings to order a few choice Grand Seiko silicone straps for aquatics and a handful of sharp leather pieces for more refined occasions. Best, Tim

@jpgonly7034 5 жыл бұрын

GS ... one day, one day )

@jamesc5041 4 жыл бұрын

if I can buy rolex at the Store with REAL price (retail price) i will 100% buy Rolex BUT its almost impossible to buy with retail price. You gotta top up additional 3000~4000 USD. This is just insane... I will buy GS and probably get Rolex in future.

@jimmyv.495 5 жыл бұрын

hate the GS power reserve

@andrei2023 5 жыл бұрын

GS🏆

@raksh9 4 жыл бұрын

Imagine getting your SD and Sub Date years ago, when they were available without a premium at AD's. Prices have more than doubled since then, and even if you have the money, you're on a long waiting list. The GS diver is incredibly beautiful and well finished, but sadly, it doesn't wear as well as the lighter, smaller SD and Sub.

@Sisu2280 4 жыл бұрын

Small wrists?

@harrykuo2573 3 жыл бұрын

There is also titanium with golden logo that is light as feather if weight is brining u down. I have small wrist but weight has never been a problem. For me fortunately

@larvancioramos9748 5 жыл бұрын

GS all the way and with the rest of the money left, i would buy the GS snowflake and a G Shock Rangeman.

@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын

Nice picks! - The WatchBox Team

@larvancioramos9748 5 жыл бұрын

@@the1916companywatchreviews i only own the Rangeman 😂

@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын

@@larvancioramos9748 There's still time for a Snowflake! 😉

@larvancioramos9748 5 жыл бұрын

@@the1916companywatchreviews :3

@damachine3 5 жыл бұрын

SD43 is the King. I totally respect GS, but SD43 all the way. This watch is on my wrist now...and I have the Mk1 dial. Love it!

@Hollyrock712 2 жыл бұрын

My GS is Titanium also

@theoverlord1925 5 жыл бұрын

Grand Seiko but the titanium version. Rolex prices and their non availability at the AD are pissing many people off. I don’t think they are worth big premiums on top of the retail price, maybe a few hundred bucks that’s it. Also, for me ,too heavy. I much prefer the older , lighter, vintage Rolex, although they have pretty much lost their luminosity.

@ZCT808 5 жыл бұрын

You could buy a Tudor Pelagos, have that titanium you want, pay half the price of the Grand Seiko. Arguably a far better watch. As for what Rolex is worth, the market has spoken on that. They sell out instantly, and sell for thousands over MSRP on the used market. They wouldn't be doing that if people were not willing to pay for it.

@WhoIsSerafin 5 жыл бұрын

For me better move movement GS. Better lume GS. Better finishing GS. Better fit on the wrist GS. As for the bracelet I prefer pin and collar all day. And even my local certified Rolex and Seiko watch maker just from a trouble free stand point prefers the GS clasp from the stories he has told me. Grand Seiko all day.

@itsinthedetail9093 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for some amazing reviews but could you please talk a little slower because sometimes it is hard to follow all the details.

@watchrolex 5 жыл бұрын

On the GS, the backside of that minute hand seems overly wide and covering everything in it's path and in this video covers so much of the hour hand that it makes the hour hand looks so short and fat ... really don't like that. Also, that bracelet is ugly with what appears as a poorly designed clasp with no fit of closure fitting into the clasp as in the Rolex. I own the SD43 and comparing this GS to the Rolex seems like an insult.

@edwardblack7133 5 жыл бұрын

I’m loving my GS SBGE201 GMT as I travel a lot but it’s really tempting to go for the diver....bezel timer and better night time visibility vs the gmt dress watch looks 20atm....food for thought as they say

@DigiDave6 5 жыл бұрын

I'm sure you just didn't have one, but the SBGH255G would have made a better contender... like AP and Rolex had a baby. Loving these versus videos, thanks Tim!

@mchoch4576 5 жыл бұрын

Great video as always, can you please review, Grand Seiko Spring Drive Diver Steel vs TitaniumMy next Rolex will be the sky dweller, I have the Batman and yes I love Rolex, I want a travel beater watch and the Seiko is fantastic for travel needs, and it rolls under the radar which I like, Just my opinion, Thank you

@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your input and suggestion! - WatchBox Team

@mchoch4576 5 жыл бұрын

@@the1916companywatchreviews Even a comparison to The Tudor Pelagos, you guys do make the best videos, Thanks again

@mt24Carson 5 жыл бұрын

@@the1916companywatchreviews Yes and a GS titanium 231 vs Tudor Pelagos titanium might be interesting as well. Spring Drive will likely win in this contest, though both dive watches have similar characteristics.

@ripperx444 5 жыл бұрын

One you had one Rolex you had them all! Once Grand Seiko stops using cheaper parts off their other lines and design a normal clasp they will be even nicer Pin and collar is used in JLC’s new bracelet, Patek, GS... there has to be more that still do it. The way GS does screws is HORRBILE with those tiny little things on both ends. Might as well use pins and collars for all

@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын

The JLC bracelet is a bit different from what it appears to be. The pins in the JLC are spring bars, not proper pin-and-sleeve retention. That's actually a great thing since the JLC bracelet can be sized with only a strap tool and ends up being incredibly user friendly; the true pin sleeve bracelets must be sized with a bracelet block, a punch, and a rubber mallet. Best, Tim

@fpoynton1604 5 жыл бұрын

Tim - wow these get you thinking for sure. Excellent competition and presentation - both pieces are tough and truly spectacular productions by Rolex and Seiko. - Rolex is amazing- however for me- it has become uncomfortable to think of wearing a tool sized Rolex daily " in the field as your daily piece " - this is because it has evolved into such a status symbol and it has reach such a tremendous price. On the other hand the Seiko is very tough, extreme quality, easier to read it in the field, is half the price, and lacks the negative status connotations you can run into when its spotted real world settings . You can grab the Seiko comfortably and confidently to wear daily without second consideration in nearly every situation - it also will retain enough value over time to be my clear choice of the two. 👍. Thanks Tim for another competitive title fight.

@malihajji2870 4 жыл бұрын

I love rolex watches , they are the any time cash on your wrest.

@lenjames 2 жыл бұрын

Hands down the Grand Seiko...Just bought the newest model for 2022.

@thunderlightning9355 4 жыл бұрын

Love my DS SD 43..NEVER leaves my wrist .. it's not about the time .. if you own one ..you know exactly what I mean

@the1916companywatchreviews 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Thunder Lightning! If you have a quick second, click through to our site and write a review of the watch. Our customers love to read about real world experience when shopping on our website. Here's the link: www.thewatchbox.com/shop/Rolex-Sea-Dweller-126600.html Thanks in advance!

@edwardblack7133 5 жыл бұрын

Going with the GS if choosing for looks and form. Im lucky enough to have a couple of GS and the spring drive is insanely accurate...2 secs per month

@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын

It's true; Grand Seiko under promises and over delivers. Plus, the watch has more character. GS is like a small batch bourbon, and Rolex is more like Jack Daniels. Jack is known for decent quality and absolute -- uniform -- consistency from bottle to bottle. Grand Seiko is more like a Knob Creek or Hudson Baby Bourbon; fewer units, more variation from bottle to bottle (model to model, to keep our comparison straight), and a different experience than a major brand blend. Best, Tim

@algorithm007ify 5 жыл бұрын

The question is, can it go 8-10 years without service?

@otobotrecords 5 жыл бұрын

@@algorithm007ify Definitely. I'm citing myself here with my answer above to Chris: The GS Spring Drive has less friction in the drive train and will not lose accuracy at all even after decades due to the ingenious construction of the Tri-Synchro-Regulator. If a spring drive is not forcefully damaged by accident or willingly, it is estimated that it will run perfectly for about 50 years.

@edwardblack7133 5 жыл бұрын

WatchBox Reviews urgh....single malt please! Lol

@cowboyswami2017 5 жыл бұрын

Im going with grand seiko ! Wow that was a Great video.

@stevenuk 5 жыл бұрын

I prefer the GS 😧

@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын

Agreed! For good measure, use some of the savings to buy a strap or two for the sake of keeping the GS looking fresh for any occasion. And if we're comparing the pre-owned $5,000 U.S. price of the GS to a new SD43 at $11,350 U.S., then you could use the savings to go on a diving vacation and tour wrecks in exotic locales. Best, Tim

@stevek8829 5 жыл бұрын

If Rolex were available in something better than steel I might consider one. I enjoy my titanium watches. Steel and gold are soft and heavy.

@user-vj3bn6qo4f 5 жыл бұрын

Without the shadow of SEIKO, independent brands should have their own look, instead of making changes according to the previous ones. Now independence is completely free

@PFNasz 5 жыл бұрын

I own the GS, couldn't be happier. Classy and slick, only a few know

@cliveb15 5 жыл бұрын

Tough choice but I think the Rolex just nicks it for me 👍⌚️

@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын

Close call indeed! Thanks for your feedback Clive! - WatchBox Team

@impexRQ Жыл бұрын

SD43 without even a single doubt

@algorithm007ify 5 жыл бұрын

SD43 is a special Rolex. It's almost blasphemy to compare the GS to it. At least go for the high beat more expensive GS diver with ceramic bezel.

@BenTramer 5 жыл бұрын

Not a fan of either...both too big...Rolex cyclops and dial writing are infuriating...and I hate how GS scars all their spring drive dials with the power reserve indicator. Tim, can we expect only 'informal' VS. from now on?

@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын

Yes, the old style felt too regimented, too long, and too repetitive. I'm happy to say that we're getting the same view volumes on this new style, and I'll be able to shoot more of them. Honesty is the best policy, and this format feels more sincere to me. Best, Tim

@BenTramer 5 жыл бұрын

@@the1916companywatchreviews I like the sincerity of this format but I do miss all the data the previous style provided...would you consider keeping the "fact sheets" (size, bridge type, spring material, etc.) moving forward? We don't need all the music and intense camera work/photography of the previous iteration. Thank you for your consideration.

@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I wasn't a fan of the window dressing and the time it absorbed, but the data tables are worthwhile. The questions I get about the removal of "Versus 1.0" seem to revolve around those data tables. Perhaps I could write them in the description boxes below this one-take Versus? Best, Tim

@BenTramer 5 жыл бұрын

@@the1916companywatchreviews The description boxes is probably the only way to do it in a single take...I did like how they appeared on the screen but that would probably require some editing...you could voice over and briefly hit *some* of the many features you post on the data tables so it's not pure silence as they appear on screen. Thank you for your consideration. I did not feel the previous videos were too long and am surprised you got that feedback...I suspect your audience (like me) is pretty detail oriented/nerdy and enjoyed the deep dive.

@highnrising 5 жыл бұрын

@@BenTramer The data were a pain because they weren't shown side-by-side. You had to back up and forward the video in order to make a comparison.

@ashishpatel350 5 жыл бұрын

gs for the win.

@janez3316 5 жыл бұрын

GS all the way for me!

@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын

We agree! Thanks for watching. Best, Tim

@janez3316 5 жыл бұрын

@@the1916companywatchreviews Tim what would you say, how wears the SBGA229 compared to the MM300 (sbdx017)? I own a MM and love it but was wondering how it compares in terms of size, weight etc.

@vadimdon 5 жыл бұрын

The grand seiko clasp is rudimentary compared to rolex. I would say it's not even half of rolex

@Visitor555 5 жыл бұрын

Yeah and for one metal bracelet is it worth to pay 8 000$ more???? HA OfC NO!

@Chris-es3wf 5 жыл бұрын

I love the GS Snowflake, but the Spring Drive divers simply look 'off' to me. Can't quite put my finger on it. Perhaps it's the case size, the bezel (give me a lumed Bezel please!!!) , or maybe the bracelet.... there's still work to be done. I want to love them, but they simply fall short.... for now. That said, GS is well on their way and is making the right moves.

@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын

Do you feel this way about the recent Hi-Beat 600M, or is it strictly the Spring Drive divers. Perhaps that dial side IRM is the issue...? Best, Tim

@yosefpaskananda4001 5 жыл бұрын

the real diver will choose GS for sure!! the businessman showing status so they will choose Rolex’s brand! Different market... for me I will buy both for the different activity

@patrick7474 5 жыл бұрын

GS is my least choice of watches. Rolex SS sport watch supply , is always a difference in prospective. Already Rolex watch owners would like the supply to be limited for obvious reason.

@sethfeingold 5 жыл бұрын

No matter the specs, I’ll never be able to look at these specific Grand Seiko hands without wanting to vomit

@the1916companywatchreviews 5 жыл бұрын

A few folks have commented on those. I like the hands for the character and immense legibility that they impart, but I acknowledge that we're talking 1930s aviator watch "cathedral" hands on a modern diver, and it's a bit weird to see. Best, Tim

@sethfeingold 5 жыл бұрын

WatchBox Reviews Legibility is certainly there! Just wish I liked what my focus was being drawn to. Even on the SKX to some extent, the hour and minute hands look like they belong on two different watches.

@412JFury 5 жыл бұрын

Exactly how I feel about Mercedes hands.

@dpw1989 5 жыл бұрын

Love the GS but hate the power meter on the dial! Ruins it IMO.

@bluemystic7501 5 жыл бұрын

They're too similar looking so I'd go with the Omega Diver 300.

@rbrant65 5 жыл бұрын

Now if only GS would come up with their own exterior designs instead of copying Rolex. Still awesome-but I would just like to see them come up with something original as I knew very well they are capable of it.

@BioTurk 5 жыл бұрын

THat watch looks completely different to me

@highnrising 5 жыл бұрын

I'd take the Rolex for being the original over Seiko for the design rip-off. The one thing I really like on the Seiko is the power reserve indicator. I have a power reserve indicator on my G-P Sea Hawk II and it's really useful when you're switching among two or three watches, to instantly see if the watch you're picking up is near tapped-out.

@Roughdraft214 5 жыл бұрын

highnrising well if you want to be fair blancpain designed the case for Rolex when the first divers came out so let’s give credit where credit is due. Plus omega and other brands had similar watches Rolex just made the diver watch popular because the thing they are the best at is marketing to the rich

@daqt6079 5 жыл бұрын

Rolex!

@menaseven9093 5 жыл бұрын

I am choosing the the Grand Seiko Spring Drive over the Rolex Sea Dweller because the GS is more beautiful, better polish and have the same quality as the Rolex at a lower price.