This is the testimony the jurors were sent home with for the weekend...a defense attorney's nightmare 😁

It’s heartbreaking how many children have died from child abuse . I had no idea the number one cause of death is child abuse . This testimony brought me to tears. Rest In Peace baby girl .

How tragic and fortuitous that we have people like him fighting the good fight. RIP Laila, out of pain. 🕯❤️

"how much are you being paid to be here today?"..... "I'm not"

God bless this Doctor! I wonder how he deals with the horrors he sees on a daily basis as a Pediatric Child Abuse Physician.

I really don't think the defense bargained on the doctors evidence being so articulate, steadfast and in depth when they cross examined him.... What a doctor....

This doctor was extremely Professional. He nailed the defense into the ground!

The most compelling professional witness. Articulate, knowledgeable, forceful, without being biased. Amazing doc! These kids were gratuitously beaten violently: regularly. See how quick he was off the mark when defense said belt buckles were "round".. he said "mines square".. and whipped it right off and demonstrated! Defense about died! He hung them with their own rope...errr, belt ;)

You hit the defense 💪 below the belt Doc. Kiodous. I must say.....Doc is shownuf fine as wine. I had too get that in. Lol

Ive had 3 kids: been stressed out with everyone of those factors and never touched my kids once. Theyre 3 adults now 21/35/33 and successful and happy and good people . Laying ANY hands on little people os wrong period

This defense attorney is a complete joke. This is the most compelling, professional witness & she comes out with asking about whether or not he’s getting paid for his testimony?! Of all the things to question him on, that’s what she goes with? She knows both this dr as well as the other orthopedic dr have sealed the case. Jennifer is a monster & I hope she gets what she deserves.

Nails in your coffin , Jennifer !

He testified to the injuries that were present on Nov. 17, 2015 on Millie and Laila. He said on Millie there was bruising/petichiae on right side of the face and neck, largest collection of petichiae on the right side of neck, on the face in front of right ear, and bruising on the cheek. He says chances of accidental trauma in this area is less than 1% and to the neck it's less than .2%. Petichiae on bottom of right ear (slap, forceful pinch, pulling on earlobe). Abrasion on the back of right ear (grabbing ear, rubbing fingernail on back of ear, ear being smashed). Petichiae/bruising on the right side of the body with loop marks, lines, pattern, and horseshoe marks (belt). Inner surface of Millie's arm above the elbow - round bruise darker in purple and then a pink/reddish bruise that has a straight line at the top and a 90 degree angle. Laila's injuries: Loop shaped bruise on the left side of lower abdomen and bruising on right side of lower abdomen. Hypopigmentation across her abdomen just below the belly button that is tissue damage typical of a burn. Tremendous amount of bruising all over her back. Starting from the left, on the buttocks, a line of bruising, clusters of round bruises that are over her left lower back. Round bruises that are over her spine and then larger amount of bruising all over the upper back. A cluster of round bruises typical of being struck with a fist, punched, with the knuckles making those bruises. Left ear -- skin is removed on 50% of the edge of the ear, maybe from being burned with a curling iron. Laila and her sister had patches of thin hair on the side, drastically different to the hair on the rest of the head, appearance of hair being pulled. Bruising deep down inside of her left ear. Bruising on left area of chest that extends down into the armpit. Another bruise with a loop shape to it and extends from the front of the body and wraps around into the side of the body. Loop shaped bruise on the right side of the hip and lower abdomen on the right side. Bruising in the genital area, right inner thigh, mons, and right labia majora -- a bruise and abrasion there, a squared off red bruise with a 90 degree angle and straight edges and another one below it (belt buckle), hypopigmentation of the skin right below that. The two squared off bruises and the hypopigmentation with an L shape to it in the genital/upper inner thigh area and bruising wrapping around to the back side. He said there was no bruising in the center of the chest area where CPR is done. Corrine Mull (defense attorney) asked about the square bruises and said "now, the buckle of a belt is usually circular..." and he took off his belt, showed how it is a square or rectangle and demonstrated exactly how those square bruises align with a belt buckle. So, that totally backfired on her. All she had to wrap up with is "which one of these injuries caused her death?" And he said it wasn't any of the cutaneous injuries. And on that note it ended for the day and this will all be on the mind of the jurors all weekend.

If I hear one more "isn't it true" asked by the defense attorney, I will " truthfully" go crazy 💣💥😤

So this is the testimony that seals their fate surely, no other explanation for their injuries...case closed. Well done that man! 👏

Thank God for this calm doctor.

She killed it for the defense when he took his belt off. Big mistake lady!!🤣😂

WTH did they do to that baby!?!? The prolonged torture & suffering that gorgeous baby must have endured is incomprehensible!!😢 It's beyond repulsive.

Do Jennifer and Joseph have 49 counts against them? Did I understand that correctly? This doctor is so good. I applaud this doctor. Bless him and hope he can help in this case that will determine the guilt of Jennifer and Joseph.

Well, on a lighter note, he's quite easy on the eyes hey!?!?!

"Isn't it true that this is a triangle"😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 She's just SAD

Its astounding to me how the rights of the parents concerns to be heard and taken seriously are completely violated. The mother who sure has a drug dependency and wont make mum of the year award was observant enough and involved enough to notice and be alarmed at clear changes she saw in her daughter and yet she was tagged " the junkie' and her concerns fell on deaf ears. The fact she was consistently in contact with her children should have been encouraged and nurtured , her participation in their upbringing as the natural Mum should also have been incorporated in the overall care plan for those children. I feel for her, very much. A Mum knows, junkie or not, a Mum knows

Just a little in love with Dr. Messner. He’s a dream.

Noticed how he looks straight at the jury. Interesting! He’s very professional and will not allow the defense attorney to get away with her twisting tactics! He sealed JR’s fate...prison!

These experts usually get $5,000-$10,000 plus expenses, he is getting nothing above his salary. I fear she will get a new trial blaming poor representation when the truth is she has no defense, she tortured these BABIES.

My abusive dad literally sewed up wounds on my sister and brother on two occasions. He would make us fight one another and if we refused, we were beat, and if we didn’t hit hard enough, we would be beat again and many other things. Believe me, we learned to be “stoic” and Laila being stoic is one of the biggest tells to me. That little one was in major pain and had learned there was no mercy for her so she sucked it up. Poor little baby. 1 hour ago

We hen he took of his belt I was speechless you could here a pin drop ..!!

My heart breaks for Millie...she was abused as well but she had to watch her little sister get abused over and over and not be able to do anything to help her. Although the abuse is over and she has moved on to another family, I believe she still has nightmares and thinks of her little sister often. I hope she is receiving counseling to deal with the trauma she went through and coping skills to help her now and in the future. So, so sad... I am not the type of person that wishes harm or revenge to anyone, as we are all human and we all make mistakes. However, I truly hope her fellow prisoners show her what it's like to be on the receiving end of abuse!

That silly defence woman, doesn't have a chance. I can't even understand her strategy.? She shoots her self in the foot at every turn, trying too blame every one but Jennifer. Crazy.!

That doctor is amazing 👏💕

Much respect for this dr...I worked in the er at children’s hospital after a year I couldn’t handle it anymore the things u see, kids u lose. These two cowards need to be tortured daily until they take their last breath. RIP LAILA I’m so sorry so many let you down. ❤️🙏

I LOVE YOU SO MUCH Doctor. As a child abuse survivor, I wish there were cool, suave, frightened (but not frightened enough not to tell the Truth) scientic doctors who would take a day and the fear of court to go to bat for us. You have no idea how much your testimony meant to me. A clinical description of how injuries occur and what percentages. I feel very, very assured by your testimony regarding belting, it was my Mom and Dad's favourite weapon. They preferred to abuse with objects, rarely punching, though once Mom backhanded me with a ring and it cut my face in 8th grade and a teacher instinctively became concerned (I already wrote a suicide letter in 5th grade though, a teacher found it on pavement as I'd folded it like ORIGAMI but honestly NEVER CRIED OUT FOR ATTENTION) and was horrified to Confront my abusive parents with no protection or backup. They said "what can we do to change this and make you happy?" I said "no belting with my panties down." They compromised to skirt down, in panties belongs and worse. My dad faux drowned me in the bath, and my final episode with my mother consisted of her on top of me in the foyer, holding me by the hair, pounding my head onto the tiles again and again. My Dad came in front door while it was happening and just looked at me. That's when I knew I was on my own. Anyway DOC, loving you. Xxxxx

I don’t know why defence didn’t just pack up and go home.

5 minutes in, STILL ON HIS QUALIFICATIONS! Very impressive!

Looking at the pictures of alive layla, especially the one in her high chair. Looking into her eyes. No doubt she's been suffering a long time. Such a gift from God. How do people hurt anything vulnerable? God bless these doctors .

What is the salary have to do with this how much he makes today come on lady

This is just horrific, this poor baby girl, she was only 2 and in one month sustained all of these injuries !? My god ..

I grew up being hit, slapped, kicked, beaten with switches, raped (from 5 years old onward) and severely neglected and emotionally abused. I grew up to be a psych tech/med nurse working with severely mentally ill patients in maximum security forensic psychiatric facilities as well as in hospice with homeless people, also from backgrounds similar to mine. I am so fortunate to have survived my childhood. Many do not, and if they do, they wind up being the so very fragile patients I cared for.

JAYSUS.... Those wee girls were really worked over. My skin crawls listening to this testimony in regards to the many bruises these girls had. Beaten with belts and whatever ws close at hand, punched, kicked, burned, hair pulled out in clumps .... May these demons get their comuppance.

A big warm supportive squeeze from me to the Mum is sent across the pond.

Those poor babies suffured too much. Poor Lailah she is in better loving hands I pray. These animals should never have been foster parents. The testimony from the foster mother before they were turned over to these animals someone should of protected these babies with all their might. This is unacceptable. My heart breaks for these babies. This doctor painted a telling story of their abusers. I hope they never ever get out of jail if they're convicted.

Finally watching this trial. This doctor is amazing! God bless him for what he witnesses and the knowledge he has! Great witness!

Smart man. Defence is awful.

So.....Jennifer took out a teenage heart break on her competition from 10 years or so ago on the two year old daughter....?

There is a method and clear reason for this madness of the female defence lawyer: “an incompetent or negligent lawyer can so poorly represent a client that the court is justified in overturning a guilty verdict based on the attorney's incompetence.”

The most tragic part of these not fit for purpose child services agency is that all these kids and now Tessas little baby have all died in vain, instead of learning and sharing their mistakes in a robust analytical way, they just rinse and repeat. They are useless par excellence

Ive never understood the purpose of the court reporter who speaks into that cylinder for purposes of recording what was said in court. Why not just use high quality recording devices and then transcribe from the recording? Anybody know why this type of court reporting is used?

she needs to be put in prison for life what she’s dead to these girlsShe should have known how to do CPR she was in the military

The defense attorney sounds like a random grandma they pulled in off the street and just decided to assign as the defense attorney lol

Perfect! He shows where the belt buckle is in comparison to the loop of the belt on herarm. He takes his belt off to show where the max impact was on her skin. This reminds me of the OJ glove dubackle only VERY EFFECTIVE! The defense is dumbfounded by his testimony.

This is so heartbreaking! It’s like they were tortured! It’s amazing they both weren’t killed! She was such a cute little girl! I have a 13yr old and 4yr old girl and couldn’t imagine what I’d do to the person who did something like this to them!

If you are coughiing throughout a witness' testimony, move away from the videocamera or take a sip of water or a cough drop.

I felt sick to my stomache i could not finish it..

The doc was pretty impressive.

God bless the little children ❤️❤️❤️

Laila is buried in Berea Cemetery, a small burial ground in Hampton. The little mound of dirt has no headstone, though people added some loving touches: a small white cross and Christmas tree for the holiday she never saw, a teddy bear with open arms. DFCS paid for the burial. Why is the Rosenbaums not pay for it???!! If theyre so innocent

Convicted child abusers should receive the same treatment in prison that they submitted their victim or victims too. Thank heavens for these kind of doctors who are giving these children a voice. Those poor girl’s injuries tell a horrific story.

Life in prison without no option of parole no private cell for her...

My son in law quit working as navigator / and first responder on his transport of children to Children’s Hospital. He left at about 18 months. He said he thought he would never had children if he didn’t. The horrors some children endure are beyond imagination . No child should ever endure abuse or neglect, yet alone to the level wherein they die. I know my husband hated handling child abuse cases in court. Just breaks my heart and makes me think of all the horrors the children endure. Their inflictors are just wretched individuals. I know they need help, but will it truly help?

He's a great expert witness he outs things simply and easily understood whilst bring firm and unlovable in his opinion in other words a child abusers worst nightmare! This woman needs to be taken out how could anyone harm a darling 2 year old little girl 😭

I will never understand why anyone would do such a horrific thing to an innocent child. I pray that her sister has a wonderful life and this doesn't scar her mentally. Her husband needs same punishment as she. Wow he's a correctional officer? He's about to become someones little bi**h. Are the seeking the death penalty?

Extremely impressed with this Dr. God Bless him for the work he does. A very intelligent and caring man. We need a trillion more like him.

Yay!! Great job Dr Messner😍☺ We loved ur testimony🤘

Over 50% were trauma caused by child abuse? Oh my heavens please bless these kids 😢

The experts in this case have taught me so much.

Not getting medical attention for a child who has and injury regardless of weather it was an accident or not is abuse in itself. It's called medical neglect.

Little angel laila may you be in the arms of angels - being held and loved and caressed - may all your scars and wounds be missed away so that you never ever hurt again -- RIP 👼

My God 😢 this poor baby

That poor baby suffered more in 2 years of life than my 30 years on this planet 😢

The "most belt buckles are circular" comment was ridiculous. I've never worn a belt with a circular belt buckle in my life.

I can't but help watching the court reporter talk into that ufo looking device as if she translating everything that's being said to Jupiter!

I just realized how hard it could be for lawyers to stay through the entire process representing the defense in cases like these, which I think is also relevant or necessary maybe to represent the accused/abusers, for the case to finish in manner of due process. God bless the expert witnesses and everyone whose jobs necessarily exposes them to such horrific scenarios and be able to articulate their professional opinions/findings so justice could be served to the victim/s.

Pulled their hair out? Burned their ears? Huge burn on Laila's abdomen? Laila must have cried a lot. No one came to her rescue. 😥 😥

What was she thinking? Seriously, what kind of thoughts and rage? The fact she asked for these kids. She could have given them up and moved on with the realization she was not cut out for children. Then gotten therapy for herself and dig into why she is a monster. What about her biological mother was she a bad person too? Why was she in foster care? I don't remember hearing about it. Anybody know?

These liars cant lie anymore. They really took this to trial because they thought well no one saw us beat her. They thought they were smarter then everyone but they gonna learn today. I cry and feel hurt everytime my son hurts himself. I try to forced him to wear a soft helmet not just to play but while he walk around because he is so athletic and moves non stop. These. MONSTERS that beat kids to death need the death penalty. They allowed her to have an untreated broken arm. Please give her the death penalty. I wish I was on the jury. Evil Evil People. Please wake up we are in hell. Be blessed in this cruel world.

That doctor is amazing....bravo good Doctor for the selfless, superb human you are.

The lady's lawyer is a quack. Belt buckles are all round? Then that in a triangle on that baby. Really lady??? Really that ignorant? When he tried to explain, she just couldn't get it. How embarrassing.

Those pimples /rash in her genital area she blamed mosquitoes. After seeing the empty cream tube for pain, I am wondering if she put that on her near the diaper area? Mosquitoes don't usually bite inside clothing or diapers.

Is this the Joseph Rosenbaum of Kenosha infamy?

🥰🕯R.I.P.🕯🥰 little angel

Oh my God. I thought I had watched this entire trial, but I had not seen this one. It truly makes me feel sick. What horrid monsters the Rosenbaums are. Sweet Jesus, take Laila with you.

Just remember all atrocities exist within everyone. We should all examine ourselves and identify our flaws, and minimize our harm to others

I just can't watch this it is too triggering - omg

54:00 Funny how quick she took down the photo that he was explaining away her poorly executed version of how a belt buckle would bruise... "And isnt it true..." Uggghh she just makes me cringe to no end with every question starting out as "and isnt it true..." lady, just go away your case was lost long before this child abuse expert put your defense to shame

I’m wondering if Jennifer is watching these pictures as the doctor is explaining these injuries. I’m guessing not.

What a defence... Belt buckles are round, not square???

This doctor is a saint and he’s immaculate in the court.

I have no doubt that these precious children were abused. I do however have a comment about what the physician said regarding children do not typically fall backwards. I have raised 4 children and I now have a 2 year old grandson. Children do throw tantrums and often throw themselves backwards to the floor. In fact my grandson did this just the other day and hit his head on the tile floor by throwing a tantrum. I have no doubt these beautiful girls were tortured and these defendants must be held accountable. RIP sweet angel.

How did no one notice these injuries in the days prior?

Wow he just hung the defense with his own belt!.....good witness he really ended up hurting the defense

Dr. Messner did a fantastic job cementing the child abuse charges that these two little girls suffered.

Millie will likely realize the full weight of the abuses she and Laila suffered upon becoming an adult, herself, and reflecting on this from an adult's perspective. Christ be with her.

His skin is supremely gleaming

That kinda knocks his moms thinking that looked more like a rash....

What a shame all these people didnt meet up and discuss the injuries before she died.

How can you do that to a 2 year-old.. They are so delicate. My daughter is two and this hurts my soul.. at lailas part in this testimony

the only thing I would question about the pediatrician is why didn't he call DFCS when he noticed the other bruises on her body (if not for the broken leg) as well as bruising on millie? As well as the emergency doctor Jennifer finally took Laila to (even though she was supposed to take her there immediately)

I love this doc!!

The defense attorney is trying desperately to grab anything to reduce the defendant’s penalty. They delayed 4 years this case already, but now I guess these two little girls will receive justice.

Holy crap. This guy is not only incredibly credible and professional but he’s also calm and in a yummy condescending way a really smart talker. This defense attorney pathetic.