This entire Q&A has the energy of an office meeting that should’ve been an email.

TLDR: “Nothings happening, we don’t know when anything is gonna happen, and we don’t know how our game works, bye.”

The Scott in repose. Rest well big man. And for anyone who was wondering: I knew exactly what I was doing when I asked my question at 16:11 because I wanted to see just how criminally low the Twins' pick rate was and see if my prediction about Circle of Healing pushing them into the very low end of kill rates was accurate. Both parts were 100% on the money.

The more they do this, the more does Scott's desire to play Elden Ring grows.

This man, went through all the stages of grief for us. Respect

2 seconds into the video: I can tell this is going to piss me off 4 seconds into the video: I am untethered and my rage knows no bounds

"we have NO plans to add anything you want" "we could, but its hard, so no" there, saved you over an hour of bullshit

Patrick compares a symmetrical team sport to a asymmetrical game. The fact one is symmetrical and the other asymmetrical makes it an apples to oranges comparison. "In hockey..." Yeah, in hockey each team has the same number of players, same positions, and they are working to the same goal (scoring points by putting the puck in the net.) In this, one side has 4 and the other 1, their playstyle are entirely different, and they work toward entirely separate goals (escape vs kill rather than scoring by hitting a puck into a goal) The devs also apparently don't understand basic math. Clearly they needed Almo there with his physics masters.

They basically said “we’re not removing perk tiers because eventually there will be so many perks and characters that it won’t matter” but wouldn’t it be 3 times worse when there are that many people if you don’t remove them anyway? Such a stupid fucking argument

I don't understand how they aren't prioritising some sort of practice mode. Just allow me to load up a kyf solo, I don't even care about bots. I feel like that would be huge for the health of the killer population. I don't want to spend a bunch of matches making an ass of myself repeatedly chainsawing into a wall, etc. As a result, I just don't play killer any more. Such a change would probably get me back in the killer queue.

"Soon" "We're investigating that" "No current plans for that" "Nope" "No" "In the near future" "Next update" "It's on the Wishlist for sure" "Not happening"

14:45 "I know everybody loves that answer" So let's make a hour-long Q&A with nothing BUT that answer!

I hope VHS is watching to learn how to not disappoint your own community

You heard it here first: tunnel and camp survivors to death if you want wins.

2:00:58 it has taken me ~2K HOURS over 5 YEARS to get all survivor perks on one survivor and most survivors at p3, and thats with BARELY leveling more than a few killers, for heavy-casual players the grind is literally so extensive (im not complaining, just trying to put things in perspective for ppl)

15:03 My question got in! Of course though, the BHVR dev team never ceases to fail me with how stupid they can possibly be. Do they not realize how monumental cutting something by 66% is? Yes, we will *eventually* reach the problem of having too many perks to grind for, but do they not realize how long that will take? It would take numerous *YEARS* to reach this problem again. Do they seriously believe that no additional solution can be devised within the LITERAL YEARS it would take to reach this level of grind with no perk tiers.

Every year that goes on that I play this game, the more I hear the devs talk about it and the more update I see, the more I want BHVR collapse and sell the game to a studio that has some semblance of competence. These guys are beyond useless and prove again and again they have the level of understanding of this game equivalent to someone with 30 hours. We need some rich person to buy out the entire company or something.

Bro I can’t fucking breathe 😭😭 “the flow of equipping perks”

I love the fact that they are 'working on' more stuff than they have released whole year

I like how over the course of about 1 hour, the devs barely actually said anything

47:20 Is one if my favorite moments of all time.

you can't under develop the SBMM with the excuse that "when multiple people are winning the MMR gets weird", you have to be able to say that both players can win in a asymmetrical game. At least in the sense of making "shots on goal" which is another thing patrick brought up. Killer is the only role that needs to make multiple shots on goal with no guaranteed pay out. survivors can outplay the games mechanics, killers have to outplays survivors.

Also re: his analogy, he acts like they can't track metrics (shots on goal) when that's literally what their emblem system is based on. So don't say you can't do it when the system is already in the game. Eta: yes Patrick, a guy who gets 8 hooks should be rewarded for PLAYING THE FUCKING GAME vs the guy who camped everyone on first hook. Also, why not offer an incentive for killers during high survivor queue times? Shards? Extra bps?

Also I believe the main issue with BHVR and this game is that the devs are too stubborn, "if I spent time/money on this mechanic then it should be added" it feels like that is the mindset that they have which is not good at all cause by that logic if the newest developer makes it so the EGC starts after the first Gen pops oh well they were paying him when he was working on that so cant waste that money go ahead and add it.

A summary of most of this seems to be everything you want is either impossible, takes a year, or vague information. Feels like a none Q & A.

3:39 At this moment, we see Scott Jund completely die on the inside

What a colossal waste of time. These people are so out of touch with their own game and it's community it is baffling. And yet there are still huge DBD content creators (not gonna name names) that defend these fools.

The next questions someone should ask the dev team is “Is doing gens considered skill?” If they say yes that explains how they view the mmr system as successful and further shows how they know little about their own game

The hockey analogy made me feel like my head was going to explode. Yes, let's compare an asymmetrical game's mechanics and winning conditions to that of a sport where two evenly spread teams face off with the same win condition of needing to score more goals than the opposing team. This Q&A just served to remind me that I don't want a Q&A from these guys so much as I'd just love Scott or Otz or any other prominent DBD content creator to have a sit down interview with one of them every now and then so that we can maybe have some actual meaningful back and forth discussion take place instead of these one-sided and controlled situations where there's all this talking but nothing is actually being said.

performance of circle of healing are they averaging it across all the good and bad players? Sure bad survivors aren't going to take advantage of it. But a good team of four will destroy you with boons. Killer shortage means longer queue times. To shorten wait times they end up putting bad Killers against good survivors. The result of that is killer players quit. Further increasing the killer shortage.

2 and a half hours of "no we have no plans" and "Near future"

"It's hard to test" Is bullshit when I can watch programmers run simulations of things, thousands of times easily. Path of Exile has a procedurally generated map. They run simulations of the generation to make sure it works. It eventually worked after enough testing and tweaking. Then, here's the wild thing, they have a feature in game /bug (explain the bug). Then the map seed gets recorded and sent to the devs. The devs then make sure that seed either doesn't exist anymore, or they figure out what causes it to be bugged and edit the code. However, they managed to get the map generation up to quality that almost no one come across broken seeds. But you know, it's too hard to record information. Just like it's too hard for them to receive information from the players and having it check server side to prevent the basic hacks like flying and moving fast. Or too hard to record the information, the inputs and seed of a map for a replay system. They're just shit at their job or liars. The RNG is the only problem in a replay system. However for some reason, this game has so fucking little RNG compared to World of Tanks. Yet they have a really good replay system. A decade old. World of Tanks has at minimum 3 points of RNG in just shooting. Yet it's recorded. And hell, these points of RNG are a lot more complex than, skill check? succeed? It's +-25% pen, damage and accuracy. Each of these are more complex than what a skillcheck is. Which is likely roll a d100 and see if its above a threshold. Or there's more efficient ways to make a deterministic RNG. BHVR is garbage at their job and lies. It's really unfortunate that they effectively have a monopoly on the genre like World of Tanks does. World of Tanks is pay to win now, and nothing to compete with it. BHVR just exploits IPs and artists instead of making their game p2w. They both ignore the community and make their players mad, but there's no alternative to play. If it's a "we can't afford a bigger team to do the things we need to do." kind of thing, they're lying. Also there's good ways to monetize games without making people mad. Personally, there's no excuse to be this consistently shit except greed and incompetence.

36:28 "We got to keep every aspect of the game viable." And yet, half the perks and addons in the game are straight up useless and the meta consists of like ten perks in total. Oh and green keys still exist.

21:58 IMO this is such a cheap bs answer. I get the answer is reasonably no but "a bot can't accurately replicate a real player" makes no sense when the alternative is literally nothing because they dc'd. He literally says it's a multi-player game, but then says the best option is just to have the player be removed from the game and reduce the over all players in the game. Fucking wut

Mcote and Almo look like geniuses compared to patrick. I genuinely like both of them because they seem like they care about the game and to a degree know what they are talking about, only really following statistics to a fault however. Patrick is a bozo. I can't stand this man. I guarantee he is the main Force driving the game into the ground even more so than the investors and board. I can't stand patrick. Everything he says is so incredibly incorrect and he comes across as quite egotistical and by the numbers. I guarantee he was the driving force behind skill base matchmaking, I guarantee he sees that the last seven out of nine killers that are ranged anti-loop zoners with no mobility average out on two or so kills and decides to focus on that design because it's technically balanced. This man does not seem to understand that fun is more important than balance in an asymmetric game where balance is near impossible to achieve. I hate patrick. Every time he talks he makes me think I took the other devs for granted this whole time. It's honestly insulting seeing someone who knows so much and cares so much about the game like Scott or other streamers, get ignored or turn on each other and fight over balance while this lazy bozo gets to dodge every question in the q&A and insist that he knows what's best for the game. I wish no ill will on Patrick but I wouldn't be sad if he left bhvr.

I love how the devs act like they play their own game 😂

scotts depression arc

Its really great that these game devs are developing a game for themselves and not for the playerbase.

The answer to "Why don't hooks count towards rating" broke my soul

Get some sleep, Scott. You deserve it.

Everytime I hear them say something like "We tried that" and "We tested it", and then followed by something like "it wasn't a fun experience". In my head I just keep saying "NOT FUN FOR WHO". Who tested this, which side was not having fun. The survivors? The killers? I need more clarification.

Innate BT would be amazing, have it deactivate if both the rescuer and rescued remain close to eachother for 2-3 seconds so it can't be abused, forcing players to separate. Kindred basekit would be great too...

"We're gonna make this SO much better. Hopefully we'll have an actual idea for that we can tell you about later."

i got dbd a few days ago on epic game store. my first ever game i was wraith and i ran bitter murmer and predator because i had soem starting blood points. the team i went up against everyone had dead hard. circle of healing, iron will, and borrowed time. also the map was RPD. I dont wanna play dbd anymore. i was literally brand new to the game (yes my first match i ever played as wraith)

Another example without camping about how kills don't necessarily = skill. I was playing a game against a group of 4. They were solo queue. This one Claudette was really good. I had to abandon chase with her multiple times, while her teammates went down like nothing. I only managed to kill one survivor before they got the last gen done (Claudette had an AMAZING play with Adrenaline, where she finished the last generator in my face injured.) After a bit, I downed her, hooked her, and then got into a chase with one of the other survivors. I wasn't camping -- it would've been understandable if I did, but I don't play that way because I don't find it fun. And I'd rather have fun than win because I'm a weirdo. Anyway as I'm chasing the other survivor, a Jane, (who is the obsession by the way, so the other survivor knew they weren't going for the unhook) the other survivor just opens the exit gate and leaves. I down Jane -- and that's a 3K right there for me. And I didn't feel I deserved it. (So I went and let Jane wiggle free and unhook Claudette.) I just didn't feel like I deserved the win. Claudette absolutely outplayed me, but she had a crappy teammate who cared more about escaping than about trying to save from a killer who clearly wasn't even camping.

The part where they said thay taking away perk tiers wouldn't be a good solution to slowing the grind long term blew my fucking mind. What a stupid and just straight up wrong excuse for that.

There are 191 perks in the game(according to the wiki) , that's 573 perk tiers to get every perk on 1 survivor and 1 killer. If they cut out perk tiers right now they would have to introduce 382 new perks just to get back to the current amount of perks we have now. At the the normal current rate of 6 perks per chapter and 4 chapters a year it would take almost 16 years to catch up just to what we have now to buy all perks on 1 killer and 1 survivor. Unless I'm doing horrible math, which correct me if im wrong here, then BHVR thinks this game will still be going in 15 years+ when this becomes a problem again.

From my point of view, BHVR admitted that removing perk tiers would cut off huge amount of the grind, but devs don't want to work on it. So instead of a good solution that will make the game better now and simplify everything in the future, they will work around perk tiers (who knows how long). It doesn't make any sense.

I'd be 100% down for bt for free if the person unhooking became exhausted for 5 seconds so they couldn't immediately dab away with dead hard preventing me from punishing a sloppy unhook.

this was just two hours of the devs answering 103994 questions with the same answer

Twins are the only killer in the 1% pick category. That's really sad

Quick to nerf killer add ons, but keep circle of healing barley touched because it’s “not overpowered”. Bravo

I really hate the part where Peanits says they won't remove perk levels because it's not a perfect permanent fix to perks. Why are so many people so willing to do nothing just because it won't 100% fix issues. Do the simple fix now, and then try to solve the problem before it gets too big again.

15:30 it's like they said" if you turn x^2 into x, at some point the grind will become a problem again". Yea, sure, tell us that you were right in 2 decades when it actually becomes a problem again

9:35 And he actually did. And showcased how truly impressive BHVR's lack of understanding regarding their own game is.

I watched this live just leaving you a like love your content man great job.

Regarding the 2 questions about bots, those QoLs are available on Mobile, which has a smaller team than core, so I’m not sure why they’re that hesitant

56:24 Theres an issue with backfill on crossplay off lobbies, alot of people join and leave on both sides that sometimes it takes 15 mins to fill up players which is annoying so you get alot of new players mixed with experienced players

56:45 The way Scott said this so casually caught me so off guard I almost spit out my food, holy fuck.

3:42 The Huntress noise is so spot on there, at least they planned to nerg circe of healing a little bit

Watching this is making me more thankful I uninstalled this game. What a mess.

I have a theory that the reason why the devs are hesitant to make a practice mode for killers is because everyone would use it to practice nurse and would cause survivors to get upset.

Thank you Scott!

i love thsi kind of video id love to see more of this

watching this live was an experience

Scott: "I have to shit so bad, Ima go make a behavior patch." this made me wheeze

Scott you need to wake up from this nightmare

honestly this is quite interesting to watch now that the stuff they were talking about is actually being revealed.

I haven't played the game in years, hopped on a few days ago to play a match as Trapper, went against presumably a sfw and didn't get any kills. Great game

Checking in around 25 minutes, so far every response boils down to "sorry too much work for us" or "its too harddddd" - I'm guessing it doesn't get better as we go

Idk Scott, I haven’t quite mastered the flow of picking perks yet so I look forward to these changes that will never happen

Everyone: Are you ever going to actually change the game at all- BHVR: no

Justin looks like he has a gun pointed at his head the whole time, I can't tell if it's cause of his expression or cause of the quality of his camera.

When they were changing the HUD, I thought they were adding the hook circle for killers specifically because they were going for a bigger focus on hooks instead of kills. I have freinds who are brand new to the game going against iridescents, but I can't even say that grades don't mean anything because of mmr being worthless.

1:19:30 Scott, actually in old system your best result for 8 hooks was 1 pip at rank 1. Cause you could have 3 Iri and 1 Bronze at best which was exactly 1 pip.

The more I see their answers the more I see myself playing elden ring for a very long time. I'm taking a week off just to play it, but I think it'll be far longer than that.

The q&a got me like the interstellar guy

Solution to survivors insta-finding hex totems: at the start of the game gradually increase the distance the glow is visible from, like for the first 10 seconds hex totems appear dull until cleanse/boon progression reaches 35% (base ~5 seconds, totem would appear fully lit for all after that). After 10 seconds, totems that haven't progressed to 35% every 2 seconds start to light up and appear lit from 4/8/16/32/64/etcm away.

would having Party MMR and Solo q MMR help with SWF matchmaking ? even though SBMM isnt working well

1:00:21 such a based question easily my favorite

We had to use a quantum computer to figure out how to equip perks

3:40 see Lisa! You can pinpoint the exact moment his heart rips in half

Its funny how on the question about nerfing weak/unpopular killers their response was "We dont buff them because of the high MMR" and not WHY THEY NERF THE WEAK

We got an up to date kill/play rate chart, announced circle of healing nerf, and a like 5 second teaser for an event less than a week away

What if they let you improve perks you have by trading in add ons you dont like @scottjund? This would reduce grind AND give them data on which add ons players dont like

For those who don't want to watch the whole video! "No.." "Not immediately in the plans.." "Soon!" "Yes haha shirtless Felix we're in touch with our community haha"

So basically if I face camp each survivor or hide the whole match and don’t touch a single gen then run out the gate, I’m good at the game??

This is painful. I'm so sorry Scott, we're suffering with you.

I think since SBMM started, I've gotten more than 1 kill in about 3-5 games. I greatly dislike the tunnel someone out of the game playstyle and go for 12 hooks. I rarely bring strong addons and don't have every perk on every killer. I never pick the map and just play. While I don't care about winning I do care about bloodpoints and I can't get them if everyone escapes every game with me getting 1-4 hooks.

This would pair really well with The Caretaker's "Everywhere At the End of Time"

justins expression looks like he's eating something he hates but doesnt want to hurt the cooks feelings

20 minutes in have either said probably not or we don't know gotta love it 50 minutes in same story

wow the q and dodge was pretty good

Community: Can we get... BHVR: No. Community: Can we get... BHVR: No. Community: Can we get... BHVR: No. You need to let it go, need to let it go, ...

Do they stream these on Twitch or KZfaq? I ask because it kills me on the inside when Scott is talking over them and I can't hear either of them for shit because I have some mild hearing problems. When he lowers the volume to talk over them it's like a million times better.

Tinfoil hate moment: they don't want a practice mode lest people spend enough time and discover just how broken certain things are

on that topic of practice matches for killers, they can literally take the bot match you do as trapper in the tutorials and just keep the same ai for all the killers. just something so people can practice their nurse blinks or hatchet throws, they already have what they need to do it functioning in the game right now!

got to love bhvr's rational for not getting rid of perk tiers. "The grind is just going to get worse as we add more chapters, so why do it?" Well.. because it takes forever to play a new killer with a good build for one. But mostly.... Just because my floor gets dirty again, doesn't mean I don't sweep it.

I love behaviours QnA. Questions and Ambiguity.

Honestly I just be watching these videos waiting for some good news before I even think about going back to dbd