Species 8472 After Voyager | Star Trek Online Story Series Lore

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This timeline explores the history of Species 8472, also known as the Undine post-2375 and the last encounter the crew of the USS Voyager had with them.
The Species plays a great role in Star Trek Online, but how did it come to this? They seemed satisfied that Starfleet would leave them alone.
Well, it was mostly the Klingon Empire as well as their own paranoia. Once the Undine had the technology to mimic our realm's inhabitants, they used it to infiltrate the alpha and beta quadrant powers. Maybe to just keep an eye on us all, maybe for more nefarious purposes.
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@robertoluna6606 5 жыл бұрын

Wait a second there! The Gorn have a baseball team?!

@CertifiablyIngame 5 жыл бұрын

S'Yahaza City Talons

@climberly 5 жыл бұрын

@@CertifiablyIngame we need a play by play review of this historic baseball game. I mean, how do they even move quick enough to swing the bat? I'm genuinely shocked.

@robertoluna6606 5 жыл бұрын

@@CertifiablyIngame I haven't felt the sense of child-like wonder I'm experiencing right now since I first found out about the gorns. Now I'm wondering if every race that managed to achieve peaceful cooperation with mankind has a baseball team.

@ZemplinTemplar 5 жыл бұрын

It's a cute detail for a civilisation often considered rather fierce. :-)

@attila535 5 жыл бұрын

They probably really like this sport, as they can use their brutish strenght to their advantage, by scoring home runs.

@theAverageJoe25 3 жыл бұрын

I have always loved Species 8472, for starters unlike most aliens in Star Trek they aren’t humanoids, they truly look alien, they speak through telepathy, they don’t give a crap about anyone, they have weapons and ships unlike that of other races, and they kicked the Borgs asses

@ManicPandaz 5 жыл бұрын

Makes me wonder if changelings and the Undine ever encountered each other while infiltrating Star Fleet.

@shadowhenge7118 4 жыл бұрын

Imagine dumping the founders into fluidic space...... will it blend?!

@gagaplex 4 жыл бұрын

@@shadowhenge7118 Linking with an entire dimensional realm might be a bit overwhelming.

@RichardStrong86 4 жыл бұрын

@@gagaplex They can't link with something that isn't a changeling.

@cytorakdemon 4 жыл бұрын

That must've been awkward.

@JoseMolina-ij3xx 3 жыл бұрын

@Purplekitty Borg can't assimilate changelings, because there is no cellular structure to assimilate. However, the changelings can augment their Gem'Hadar with Borg technology and make them stronger.

@JonoSSD 4 жыл бұрын

"The [Klingon] Empire dissolves the Khitomer Accords." Oh shit, is it tuesday already? Seems like the Klingons do that once a week.

@killmimes 5 жыл бұрын

"When you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail!"

@occultatumquaestio5226 5 жыл бұрын

"The weak shall perish." But United we are Strong.

@HoneyBadgerVideos 3 жыл бұрын

ill just enslave an entire species to root out some infiltrators. Strong enough for you?

@kebabmega6349 Жыл бұрын

Apes together strong

@MBF78 5 жыл бұрын

I've always called it "the soup". I mean look at it, that thing looks like green soup with chunks in it. It's even been referred to as "an organic liquid".

@MrQuickLine 5 жыл бұрын

Tales from the Split Pea Dimension

@theldraspneumonoultramicro405 4 жыл бұрын

*slurp*

@Dweller415 3 жыл бұрын

😏

@defies4626 5 жыл бұрын

Ultimately, the Federation itself admitted that it was ultimately too slow to act, as will be stated later on in the series itself by Captain Shon. Yes, they worked to deal with the problem, but ultimately they became too afraid of stepping on the wrong toes. On the other mek'leth, the Klingons ultimately screwed up, and played into the Undine/Iconian hands. The Iconians wanted war between the Federation and Klingons, and to an extent so did the Undine as a way of keeping the two powers occupied. On the third stabbing implement, in an ironic twist the Klingon/Gorn War effectively started the Klingon Empire down a path to more effectively mirror the Federation. Gorn were subjugated, then... made an essential part of the empire. They became the Klingon's answer to the Vulcans, and set off a chain reaction of several more races joining formally with the Klingons as sort-of-equals. Effectively, while rash, idiotic, and counterproductive, were it not for the further series of catastrophies to come what was done would have created a Klingon Empire that would become effectively an 'Imperial Alliance of Worlds' to act as a counterbalance to the United Federation of Planets. Klingons for humans; gorn for vulcans; orions for andorians; nausicans for tellarites; ferasians for caitians (literally, given they're basically the rom/vulcan split all over again), so on and so forth. If only if it wasn't for what is to come.

@occultatumquaestio5226 5 жыл бұрын

First of all, SPOILERS (not for me but for those who have not reached the Iconian War arc). 2nd; I agree with you on how the Klingons in an attempt to distance themselves from the Federation become more like them. [Spoilers], This along with the renewal of the Khitomer Accords foreshadows the eventuality of the Klingon Empire being fully integrated into the U.F.P. as seen in some of the episodes where you go to the future.

@defies4626 5 жыл бұрын

@@occultatumquaestio5226 It's been nearly five years since the end of the Iconian arc. It's impossible to not come across information on what happens. Chiding me for spoilers is like chiding me for saying "Vader is Luke's Father". A bit like trying to shut the doors after the Fortress Ships have escaped the Dyson Sphere already. As for why the Empire gets intergrated, it's rather quite simple, and was covered much more reasonably. Between the... fifteen bajillion wars coming up, the industrial core of the empire effectively gets ripped out. It's a major point why the Empire actually wants to not fight more wars later on, they simply can't take any more. Integrating the Gorn and others is effectively the right step a century too late.

@occultatumquaestio5226 5 жыл бұрын

@@defies4626 ; 1.) That is not an accurate comparison. Empire Strikes Back, or Star Trek's Wrath of Khan for a more similar film, are both decades old and are a well known and access medium in the tens if not hundreds of millions. Star Trek Online on the other is more of a niche game with only more of the hardcore lore fans who are gamers playing it to a frequent extent so only in the tens to hundreds of thousands. Because of this more people are unaware of the game's existence, let alone over all plot. Plus across the many episodes Certifiably Ingame has made on this series. I have seen a plethora of comments from people who have never played the game before nor no the story. People like you and I make the minority not the majority. However I do like the Dyson Sphere analogy you made. 2.) I do not fully understand you were are attempt the say, the wording for the first sentence throws me off but for the rest of it, I do agree with you and I was just adding more evidence to support that. As far as the Prime Timeline goes, the integration of the Klingon Empire (as well as the Cardassian Union, and the Romulans) is near inevitable. Still it is enjoyable to watch/play out some of the process.

@TheJMBon 4 жыл бұрын

ST Canon has the Klingon Empire combining with the UFP in the future (26th century if I remember correctly)

@shauntempley9757 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheJMBon Yup, The Battle Of Procyon V is where the Klingons join the UFP. The Romulans join a bit later. Both send ships to that fight.

@RRW359 5 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't the Doctor have briefed Starfleet about them during his brief trip to the Alpha Quadrant only a few months after Voyager made First Contact?

@SamaritanPrime 5 жыл бұрын

Dangit, Janeway! Actions have consequences!

@VaciliNikoMavich 4 жыл бұрын

But if there isn't any coffee in the house, there will be consequences!

@Omniroc 5 жыл бұрын

I don't think this mission is available anymore but there used to be a mission where you went to fluidic space and encountered alpha quadrant ships attacking the Undine in fluidic space. This was, analysis of these alpha quadrant ships showed them to be made with materials and processes foreign to the alpha quadrant. It was hinted that the Iconians had used these fake ships to incite the Undine into attacking the alpha quadrant to weaken the alpha quadrant for the Iconian invasion to come. That is why the Undine started to sent infiltrators into the alpha quadrant. The Undine thought the alpha quadrant had violated the agreement between Captain Janeway and the Undine.

@GamerX51 5 жыл бұрын

That mission is still available; I played it on my discovery captain a few days ago. They just made it a side mission instead of a main mission. :)

@Omniroc 5 жыл бұрын

@@GamerX51 cool

@mb2000 4 жыл бұрын

0:48 I’m sure that Starfleet would have known about Species 8472 as early as 2374, as the EMH told them “everything that’s happened to [Voyager’s] crew” when he was transferred to the USS Prometheus. It probably wouldn’t have been an official report on them or anything, but the Doctor would certainly been able to tell them a lot about the conflict with the Borg, fluidic space and their biology. 1:13 “Tripod species”? There’s a race of camera stands in Star Trek!? Or did you mean “tripedal”?

@kitfo18 3 жыл бұрын

The best way to deal with it would have been to stop it at the source. Voyager needed to spend more time talking and show them when they had the chance. They could have built a great ally for the federation if they had done this. Share the weapons technology that harmed them, share the interactions between them and the Borg and just take the time. Species 8472 is a smart species they would have seen the reality of it all had you given them the time. This would have been worth stopping the trip home to make it right.

@BlueCourtingBooks 2 жыл бұрын

That's the thing. Voyager did share the Borg nanotechnology with them. They also ended on friendly terms in the episode "VOY: In the Flesh." Which is why I don't understand why or how any of this drama even happened.

@hollowmstr 4 жыл бұрын

Great video, I have to pick the Klingon Empire's approach. They rooted out a species that depended on secrecy to operate, now everyone knows who is trying to secretly take over the alpha and beta quadrant.

@northernwisp 5 жыл бұрын

That was well made, I enjoyed the video.

@shmee123ful 5 жыл бұрын

If the Klingon empires campian to root out the undine ended Hadn't ended up with the gorn being enslaved and yet another war with the federation I might be inclined to agree with their aproch at least in theory. Go in root them out. Action needed to be taken even if the undine have some noble goal like protecting themselves or uniting everyone against the Borg or some other threat they still chose to do so with secrecy and subvertion rather than reaching out to those inclined to listen like what ever remained of Voyager crew and open ties. And plead their case. But it's clear the Klingons used the undine as an excuse for war. But I don't think star fleet and the federation where in the right with their own secretly. While their methods might be the more humine and ultermaite effective as there unlikely to just kill and undine they find. They should know by now espeily after everything that happened with the changings that it's beter to curtail the Klingon ambitions rather than lie to them and put there head in the sand A task force world be ideal but said it the plot demands everyone be stupid so every one is

@Meshakhad 3 жыл бұрын

You could also consider the potential influence the Federation could have had on Klingon policy if they'd acted as an ally. Maybe instead of annexing the Hegemony to the Empire, they could appoint Worf as military governor, with a joint Klingon/Starfleet task force to occupy the Hegemony, until the Gorn could establish a new government.

@Its-Just-Zip 2 жыл бұрын

I mean, the federation's approach was much more in line with established human methods of anti-espionage operations while the Klingon's went about it in a much more "red scare" method, even if they ultimately did find spies.

@hamishsewell4214 5 жыл бұрын

I think a balanced approach would work. Target a a wide enough group so as to not tip of any infiltrators but don’t wait too long

@WesStacey 5 жыл бұрын

4:10 when i first heard you mention the Vulcan's name i thought you said "Tuvex" and I was WHOA WHOA WHOA did i miss something major here! Had to wait until you put it on the timeline before i realized it was T'Vix

@TremereTT 5 жыл бұрын

It still translates into T'releasesperm! in German....it's a pretty vulgar name, it's basically impossible to take someone serious called like that. "Hello T'JerkOff nice to meet you.." More Star Trek chraakters should be named Jizz or Cunt as it's totally not meaning anything in most languages used by of the targeted audience.

@mjchague001 5 жыл бұрын

I would have loved to see the Dominion deal with 8472...

@occultatumquaestio5226 5 жыл бұрын

Just play as a Dominion Captain in STO and go to a 8472 fleet action. I do know what you actually mean though.

@MorriganQueen451 5 жыл бұрын

a Undine spy disliked this video

@michaelmangraviti6772 3 жыл бұрын

"We must concquer the universe! YOU! Go play baseball with the Gorn, this will purify the universe one home run at a time!"

@carolheward6479 2 жыл бұрын

If the founder changelings can change into clouds and things like that could they turn into fluidic space itself and not only copy the form of 8472 and their ships but actually take on the advantages of doing so like being immune to borg assimilation and making their star ships very powerful. Even copying 8472s abilities to a small degree would make the founders and the dominion alot stronger.

@BlueCourtingBooks 2 жыл бұрын

Why would the Undine even be in our galaxy when only one person in the entire Federation knows how to open a singularity to their realm? Literally no one was a threat to them. They could've just stayed in their realm in lived in peace.

@musicandmoviefan9217 3 жыл бұрын

ok I need a link to your lets plays.....I looked in your video lists and didn't see them unless I just plain missed them. also I subbed as soon as I heard you were doing lets plays as well as the many other awesome things you are doing.

@Delosian 4 жыл бұрын

Didn't the EMH doctor in Voyager find a way of turning a Undine back into its natural form? Surely they could use that as a test?

@derpionderpson1424 5 жыл бұрын

Playing an adversary with a genetic advantage and strategic advantage, in being the only one with units in the others camp, at their own games almost surely a loss. Ofcause brute forcing is also a high cost solution, but it does have a better chance of success.

@Phanto5692 5 жыл бұрын

Considering how the Undine are still around, I'd say neither approach is very effective.

@GamerX51 5 жыл бұрын

Going after the Undine was never going to be something the Federation was going to consider. And the Klingons had many other problems to occupy their attention at the time. It really shouldn't be a surprise that they opted to preserve the pre-Undine status quo after the infiltrators were dealt with, rather than get bogged down trying to punish the Undine.

@searcherT 5 жыл бұрын

In the end a Klingon is gonna do what a Klingons gotta do!

@CRAZYMUGMAN 5 жыл бұрын

starfleet should have teamed up with species 8472 to destory the borg finally

@scottmantooth8785 5 жыл бұрын

whose to say that by doing so would not have allowed something even more nasty to enter the galaxy from an alternate dimension with an insanely large number of eyes or tentacles waving around everywhere and oozing all sorts of ghastly fluids of various pulsating simi sentient viscosities

@guillaumekaas6505 5 жыл бұрын

The better way must be in between. I certainly condemn the klingon approach much easier because of the loss of lives, but Starfleet also should sometimes put more trust in its overall staff and act in a larger scale, keeping the information until operations are on the way to solve the most pressing issues.

@GamerX51 5 жыл бұрын

While I also certainly condemn the loss of lives caused by the Klingons, "putting trust in your staff" is a dangerous mantra to follow when you're dealing with a species that can shape shift. Especially if that species also happens to be telepathic. The Federation's leadership had no idea just how far the Undine's infiltration had spread, or how much of Starfleet's admiralty had been compromised. They had no way of determining who was an Undine infiltrator and who wasn't at that point, which is why they decided to play the long game.

@michaelscarborough2434 Жыл бұрын

Got to be honest if I had the money this channel would not suffer for support

@bmike3000 4 жыл бұрын

the footage you used for the Cochrane, is that from ST Online? according to memory beta was a Sagan subclass of the Oberth class, which definitely doesnt look like the footage shown

@thomashill6347 3 жыл бұрын

HI Ric, This was interesting I don't play online and don't follow it's stories, but it is interesting. I have always wondered why the Species 8472 was not seen in more, do you think we may see them in LOWER DECKS or PICARD? Thanks for the in lighting on this matter BUT is it CANON?

@VergilArcanis Жыл бұрын

i need to know what class starships you had in this video from STO

@Aurora2097 4 жыл бұрын

Undine...Iconians... who pulls the strings? I'm thrilled to see how it will all eventually will be solved...

@NickTheMagnificent 4 жыл бұрын

Is it possible the changings come from fluidic space? Anything to prove or disprove?

@albertschoise8091 5 жыл бұрын

How do the Undine not get noticed when they replace people? They look nothing like any creature in our universe

@fenrisvermundr2516 4 жыл бұрын

They mimic the person almost perfectly.

@mahorosan1 4 жыл бұрын

watch voyager, they have an ep that addresses this

@Cdr2002 Күн бұрын

Honestly too much of this plot felt like a repeat of the Federation-Klingon tensions from DS9 prior to the Dominion War for me

@BNuts 4 жыл бұрын

A collaborative response to the Undine infiltrators would have been best, with both the Federation and the Klingon Empire looking into ways to detect Undine accurately, and then detaining the agents, or killing them when necessary. And some speed is necessary, as we know, for example, that the Undine we escorted early on was on his way to replace the Vulcan Abbot, only being prevented from doing so when the Klingons arrived first and killed the Abbot instead. We also discover various other infiltrators, both Founders and Undine, who, if not stopped, could do great damage. We also find out later on that the KDF has a covert ops section, which recognizes the value of striking swiftly and in secret so as to reduce possible losses.

@jamegumb7298 4 жыл бұрын

Sot out a way to detect them, quickly and effectively, like scanners at every door where they can find something classified above "for public consumption", detain the agents, have Section perform a very thorough questioning, and by thorough I mean them begging to tell about their grandmothers ingrown hair on the bikini line of her 3rd leg, then execute them silently and never speak of it. Put them in an escape pod with 0 internal controls and shoot them straight into Jupiter or the sun, burning every bit of evidence.

@simonwillis1529 4 жыл бұрын

For me in 2020 I got into trek online and for me I like this and I take as canon

@salc8016 4 жыл бұрын

Who was the better shapeshifter species 8472 or the founders

@manoflemancha2407 3 жыл бұрын

To be fair they were saying that to scare people to stay out of their space.

@ShadeMeadows Жыл бұрын

The BEST Species

@iksarguards 4 жыл бұрын

God it must take a Gorn like 10 years to run the bases

@p-mies1192 5 жыл бұрын

Oh the Picard series will totally screw up sto's timeline

@nana-nh1uo 5 жыл бұрын

Dont worry the Picard series is set in the mary sue timeline.

@MasonicKryptonite 4 жыл бұрын

@@nana-nh1uo I.E.: The Picard series won't screw up STO, it'll screw up conventional canon

@JK-gp2rh 4 жыл бұрын

How did Picard screw up canon it's set 10 years after nemesis and STO is not considered canon(eventhough it should).

@gusfringonlyfans 4 жыл бұрын

do a video about star trek discovery and it's spore drive

@occultatumquaestio5226 5 жыл бұрын

I know in STO Undine is the official name for Species 8472, but are there any alpha canon sources that state this name?

@thehumanoddity 5 жыл бұрын

No, the name 'Undine' is a piece of lore that ST:O made up. A nice piece of lore nonetheless tho.

@occultatumquaestio5226 5 жыл бұрын

@@thehumanoddity ; Ok, thanks.

@CertifiablyIngame 5 жыл бұрын

This Sunday's video is a small one inspired by this and similar comments. :)

@occultatumquaestio5226 5 жыл бұрын

@@CertifiablyIngame ; Okay then, can't wait.

@freizeit.gaming.modellbahn6764 5 жыл бұрын

You can tell it so: Cryptic/PWE is in close contact to CBS, because they own all the rights on this brand.. And nearly all things inside STO need to be "confirmed" by CBS, for example; the Odessey Class (Enterprise F) even was/is a design, that CBS or their designers allready had in chart, but never used. Cryptic then just got the "modell" , modified a bit, and brought it as the shipclass into sto.. And as i remember, one of CBS´s storywriter allready invent the name "Undine" . There were also books that plays after voyagers return / after nemesis. And in this timeline, the Undines or their name were also known... So in total, even as the name never been told in any official series, the name is kinda canon, within all the later story scripts..

@Nodd18 5 жыл бұрын

I always thought the Undine were nerfed far too much in STO. Sure, they needed to be taken down a few pegs in order to deal with them. This was a species that could easily thrash the Borg. So they could have simply obliterated every home world of the Federation, Klingons and Romulans if they had appeared with the same amount of power they had in STV. But having them go from purging entire worlds of life with relative ease to sneaking around, spying, and being easily killed when discovered is just too much of a nerf.

@BBradshawProductions 4 жыл бұрын

Wonder what species 8427 think of the Q.

@nilevinsmoke5880 3 ай бұрын

Not even the dominion knew that much about star fleet and a hade a wormhole to go there 8472 is on the opposite side of the galaxy and probably have the technology to go to all quadrants

@EvilXero359 3 ай бұрын

Like to see them go up against the xenos

@jamesmurray8558 2 жыл бұрын

The Gorn.Had a baseball team?

@JynxedKoma 3 жыл бұрын

0:13 Species 8472: *"Assimilate this!"*

@Meshakhad 3 жыл бұрын

I think that in retrospect, the Federation should have adopted the Klingon approach. I'm not sure which was superior, but it's hard to say that protecting a covert operation - even one of great importance - was worth sacrificing their alliance with the Klingons. Had the Federation joined the war against the Gorn, they could have checked Klingon aggression. Perhaps instead of outright annexing the Hegemony, they could have appointed a joint Klingon/Federation administration over the Hegemony, until the Gorn could set up a new government. Come to think of it, Worf would have been an ideal candidate for military governor. More importantly, instead of starting a completely pointless war, the Federation would have reinforced ties with the Klingon Empire, and both powers would have had more resources to throw at problems like the Borg, the Undine, and eventually the Iconians. Would the Borg still hold Vega if instead of fighting the Klingons, Starfleet could have brought the bulk of its strength to bear, possibly supported by a Klingon battle fleet?

@CharlesUrban 5 жыл бұрын

Who would win in an infiltration fight--the Undine, or the Founders?

@jasonskeans3327 5 жыл бұрын

Founders

@leonwoodford 4 жыл бұрын

The founders can change shape at will.

@thesurvivalist. 2 жыл бұрын

Contamination brings death!

@NCC1371 4 жыл бұрын

Same klaa from that one Trek movie we don’t speak the name of?

@amosdean894 4 жыл бұрын

2:21 Data die in end of the movie" Star trek nemesis right?

@JK-gp2rh 4 жыл бұрын

Yep

@HogtreeOctovish 3 жыл бұрын

The "Data" in the _Online_ timeline is actually B-4 with a copy of the original Data's memories He was "revived" in 2385 by Geordi La Forge and the Soong Foundation. However, B-4 (against Copy-Data's wishes) decided to destroy his own consciousness so Copy-Data could rejoin Starfleet. In 2386, Copy-Data was promoted to Captain. He became captain of the Enterprise (NCC-1701-E) in 2387 and remained in command until its destruction in 2408.

@KatanaToraSan 5 жыл бұрын

So is that Species 8472's new name, the Undine?

@MrKevin486 4 жыл бұрын

No u

@DoctorX17 4 жыл бұрын

Was all of this solely from STO?

@Robosapien_ 4 жыл бұрын

My big take away from this video is that the Gorn have a official Baseball team... I mean what's next? A Vulcan Nascar team?

@gmansupreme5139 5 жыл бұрын

Gorn baseball team! WHa HAHAHAHAHHAHA!

@contactxain 5 жыл бұрын

how did you talk about the klingon-gorn conflict without even one making a gorn pun?

@TheBlarggle 5 жыл бұрын

Restraint and not being a hack?

@freezetasticvoyage19 5 жыл бұрын

Wasn't Martok captured by the Undine?

@neilprice513 5 жыл бұрын

SPOILERS!! Martok was first captured by the Dominion and replaced by a Founder in DS9, he was saved by Worf, Bashir (who was also captured and replaced) and Garak. Then in STO after he lost a battle with J'Mpok for the Chancellorship and thought dead, he was revived and imprisioned by Torg, the head of a traitorous Klingon House that allied with the Tal'Shiar for personal gain and then the House of Torg kicked out of the Empire for treason. Torg then tried to trade Martok to the Tzenkethi for resources/favours, The Tzenkethi call Martok "The Butcher of Tzenketh 3" due to his victory over them and was saved by your playable character in STO very far into the storyline.

@dan8t669 3 жыл бұрын

Would you look at that! The Borg were right after all.

@cmbaz1140 3 жыл бұрын

i really dont like the STO storyline... but i like your videos.

@obsidianfury5133 2 жыл бұрын

0:35

@DemonaterTheAce 4 жыл бұрын

Borg and 8472 vs flood

@kanebunce3791 3 жыл бұрын

Seems the writers of that campaign forgot that the Borg already knew how to assimilate Species 8472 thanks to the Doctor.

@shauntempley9757 3 жыл бұрын

No, they deal with it much later.

@kindredwalker Жыл бұрын

Despite hearing the voices ingame refer to them as the "Un-DEEN" why do you pronounce wrongly?

@kennethk.3816 5 жыл бұрын

So if the Klingons were wrong?

@That80sGuy1972 5 жыл бұрын

STO changed what many nerd-debaters were thinking about fluidic space. Basically, it is fluid space (not liquid space), a fluid is anything that flows... anything not solid or semi-solid. That is liquid, air, plasma, even singularity sub-atomic space-bending quantum states. The Undine (Species 8472) "fluidic space" may just be an entire universe inside a super-huge black hole in our universe that is tethered to other realities' version of that same black hole. To get to it... to get to it anywhere... opening up a special singularity must happen to convert our reality vessels and beings to survive there. That backfires. It creates a way for their fluidic being way of existing to translate to our space. Because of the Borg incursion into their space, they can spawn singularities into our space anywhere in our universe. They once existed, like all that exists in their universe, at the apex of what it will ever be. It was a static existence of nothing but the strongest existing in forced harmony. The Borg's invasion drew attention to a new struggle and spawned a gateway to it. STO changed that. The fluidic space thing became an undersea thing in space. Totally cool and interesting, but it is a far cry from the nerd banter that would actually involve the fictional universe imaginations of the worlds' greatest minds. That was actually a smart decision. Most people would lose interest in an online game that involved any compressed accelerated space that could be called "fluidic".

@CertifiablyIngame 5 жыл бұрын

Yes but... Can I drink it? In honesty though, I always considered fluidic space to be a very "small" universe where much of the matter was compressed together, perhaps some force stopped it from ever expanding big-bang style. Any life that existed there would have to be so different from us to survive a realm where physics were so "different".

@That80sGuy1972 5 жыл бұрын

@@CertifiablyIngame You seem like you were part of those discussion groups, yes. It's super-compressed space akin to our universe pre-big-bang. Some of us saw the Borg going into that space as a way to improve their trans-warp technology. The space is so compressed that in order to survive there, the ship must alter itself to survive going through the singularity compression (transforming into super-tiny matter without losing structural integrity). That also provided a way "out", where (since it is quantum travel) a singularity into that tiny universe can be opened from "inside fluidic space" and into our universe were Undine vessels and beings will rapidly expand into matter, machines and beings compatible with this space. Since this space is not fluidic, they would be more solid, and not need nearly as much of their power keeping form... making everything about them far more powerful. That would explain their psychic and shape-shifting abilities as well in addition to why "grown" technology works for them. STO derailed the conversation by making fluidic space "undersea space" in the game. I'm not really complaining, it just killed the mystery and lovely nerd discussions that even theoretical physics fans were weighing in on. It was also a great way to make Undine "solid" enough for gameplay.

@mittensfastpaw 5 жыл бұрын

Neither! You can clearly see a more balanced approach would have done both far better.

@antwan1357 4 жыл бұрын

You give me a strange idea . Theory species 8472 , and the Founders are from the same universe.

@VaciliNikoMavich 4 жыл бұрын

"What of the Klingons? The Romulans?" ......I don't see an issue if these two just....disappeared one day 😤

@followerofjulian1652 5 жыл бұрын

My, "The Little Mermaid" and her people en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undine certainly are grumpy!

@comentnine1574 4 жыл бұрын

I’d prefer starfleet’s approach.

@T--xb8ko 4 жыл бұрын

The Klingons did it better it's better to put fear into

@robertfarr9186 4 жыл бұрын

Sometimes you need a hammer to get the job done.

@Broockle 5 жыл бұрын

Star Trek Online? What's this?

@Vamroc 5 жыл бұрын

You mention Captain Data but isn't Data dead

@Malumbrus 5 жыл бұрын

Probably B4 with Data's memories and personality.

@nostrum6410 5 жыл бұрын

@@Malumbrus wouldn't that be captain 4?

@macknoeth1103 3 жыл бұрын

Why do you make people need a freaking jewelers loop to read the writing on the timeline? Does that make sense to you ?

@danilovonsquawk572 5 жыл бұрын

Undine? When were Species 8472 given a proper name?

@CertifiablyIngame 5 жыл бұрын

Doing a mini video that will be out this Sunday on just that.

@garth56 5 жыл бұрын

Too many holes and too many inconsistencies. Species 8472 were :-)

@ethanspaziani5269 3 жыл бұрын

In my opinion the Klingons did it right it's better not to play someone else's game

@SgtxAnus 4 жыл бұрын

can you just make a seperate all star trek account? i know u got play lists ect but speaking from someone who would love to just sit on one page n let the videos roll when im bored itd also be benifical to you man. Imagine the extra revenue. *rubs hands like filthy feringi*

@mackenzieseib8943 5 жыл бұрын

*******spoilors*** iconian hyppppe i'm really looking forward to that story line

@tuscan9617 5 жыл бұрын

fuck, made me scroll down for about 5 years

@edtacey2257 5 жыл бұрын

If you've played all the missions surely you know its pronounced "Undeen" not "Undyne". They say it multiple times throughout those campaigns, and you even say it correctly yourself at 1:32 then go on to say it wrong for the rest of the video.

@CertifiablyIngame 5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's a habit I need to break. Sunday's short vid addresses this as well as the origin of the term.

@tommycharles4666 4 жыл бұрын

I always hated what they did with this species in Voyager. They were so unique...and then they gave them the ability to appear human to save money. Lame. But this whole storyline sounds like the changlings part II. Not very original.

@VaciliNikoMavich 4 жыл бұрын

It was the 90s; not everyone had a good budget ^^;

@craigmartinj 4 жыл бұрын

This is an identical storyboard to the whole Dominion Founders storyline. Infiltrators... ho hum. Get some new ideas.

@MasonicKryptonite 4 жыл бұрын

I'm sorry I have to be that guy, but I can't believe you just called Kronos "Konos" ant the Undine (Undeen) "Undyne" ......dude.....

@kaloyankatzarov9284 4 жыл бұрын

The Gorn have a baseball team? Why in the name of hell is one of the most boring sports ever the one to become popular amongst aliens?

@anlumo1 4 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't that be cricket?

@kaloyankatzarov9284 4 жыл бұрын

anlumo1 tbh they're both boring, but I'm probably not the best person to talk about that since I only watch combat sports so idk. But I'd definitely see the Gorn being more attracted to something like MMA or grappling rather than baseball. Or maybe it's just about dabbing on the humies, basically like space olympics, the countries than win more get more bragging rights?

@anlumo1 4 жыл бұрын

@@kaloyankatzarov9284 Humans competing against Gorn in MMA would be kinda unfair.

@kaloyankatzarov9284 4 жыл бұрын

anlumo1 oh yes, absolutely. I don't think it's necessarily impossible for an extremely talented heavyweight human to win against a Gorn in a fight. Something akin to Noguera vs Sapp, even better for the human if they're roided up the ass like prime Übereem. But that's basically a million to one, possible but not probable.