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5 жыл бұрын

We look at the advanced weapon all Star Destroyers should have used on today's Star Wars legends lore video!
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@spartanology4695
@spartanology4695 5 жыл бұрын
“I’m reading way too much into a fictional universe.” Take it back Eck. You take that back.
@mihajlo961x
@mihajlo961x 5 жыл бұрын
Haha, I really appreciated that
@simonwillis1529
@simonwillis1529 5 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same you can never read to much into 👍
@rosedruid
@rosedruid 5 жыл бұрын
Isn’t that the mission statement of your channel?
@mattellis5116
@mattellis5116 5 жыл бұрын
Star Wars isn’t fake I’m here
@thalmoragent9344
@thalmoragent9344 5 жыл бұрын
Galactic Republic For the Republic soldier!
@TheAussieNinja84
@TheAussieNinja84 5 жыл бұрын
What secret technology could've helped the empire beat the rebellion? Point defence systems/pickets
@epion660
@epion660 5 жыл бұрын
How to fix the star destroyer: Stick a US Navy CIWS system on it and it would work incredibly well.
@k1sfd1974
@k1sfd1974 5 жыл бұрын
Intelligent well thought out ship designs! It seems like it should be a super power sometimes! At least the ISDs had toilets! I think it's the effect of the intelligence draining effect the dark side has on Sith Lords. I mean, who the hell would approve a ship with just TIEs for point defense! I thought they studied a little to get that Dark Lord certification and admission to the Guild! (I think all future Dark Lords need to study Peter Anspach's list - if you haven't read it: 1) where have you been hiding & 2) search the author name, or article name 'Top 100 Things I'd Do If I Became An Evil Overlord). Most other franchises like BSG realized you needed a wall of protection BESIDES fighters. Visually, it would look great on the big screen (if done right and not just an orgy of projectiles), but it would significantly reduce the chance of damage to a capital ship... Ehhhh... oh well.... C'est la vie. (Yes, it's the Americanized version meaning 'Such is Life', instead of the original French which is more properly translated as 'This is the Life).
@WadcaWymiaru
@WadcaWymiaru 5 жыл бұрын
Point defence was WORKING...but not on the MCs and PIS. BTW - CIWS is bullshit. Easy to jam and die...
@FBI-ju5no
@FBI-ju5no 5 жыл бұрын
@@k1sfd1974 To be fair, good TIE pilots, few in number though they were, absolutely destroyed rebel fighters/pilots. Besides, the design and intention for TIEs need to be taken into account.
@cadeypie
@cadeypie 5 жыл бұрын
Flak
@variousnumber891
@variousnumber891 5 жыл бұрын
Is it Point Defense Cannons? Because those are pretty advanced, when you talk to an Imperial Design Bureau.
@crocfighter.1322
@crocfighter.1322 5 жыл бұрын
What will they do? Stop a little B wing? Pffft, shove an extra battery of turbolasers or something useful on. Like a super laser
@variousnumber891
@variousnumber891 5 жыл бұрын
*Grand Moff Tarkin Liked that* *General Tagge Disliked that* *Admiral Motti Loved that*
@josietherat135
@josietherat135 5 жыл бұрын
Crocfighter .132 actually star destroyers were targeted most by star fighters because of their lack of point defense
@greysonjones5429
@greysonjones5429 5 жыл бұрын
@@josietherat135 he's making fun of that fact
@crocfighter.1322
@crocfighter.1322 5 жыл бұрын
JOSIE THE RAT thats the joke...
@othtorpotato9960
@othtorpotato9960 5 жыл бұрын
Interdiction Missiles Grand Admiral Thrawn Wants to Know your Location
@Puma1Sunfire1
@Puma1Sunfire1 5 жыл бұрын
Damn right!! Thrawn was/is nightmare fuel for rebels
@mobilegamesonly3170
@mobilegamesonly3170 4 жыл бұрын
I mean thrawn had several interdiction divices that he took from grisks... He used it once as a missile when he was fighting 5 ISDs at once.
@theoncomingdork
@theoncomingdork 5 жыл бұрын
Actually, Wraith Squadron encountered the Empion mine on one of their first missions, which utilised a miniature interdictor generator combined with an EMP and ion pulse generator to disable ships jumping in and out of systems.
@Ragnarok6664
@Ragnarok6664 5 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a very useful weapon
@CaptainShack
@CaptainShack 5 жыл бұрын
Interdiction Cruisers are to expensive to build in massive numbers. I have an idea.. Lets make this complex technology smaller and in greater number. O.o That totally lowers the cost of construction right? :D
@brentc2411
@brentc2411 5 жыл бұрын
That was my exact first thought lol If you can pack an interdiction device into a mine or missile, then why would you even bother with interdiction cruisers?
@platiuscyndar9017
@platiuscyndar9017 5 жыл бұрын
But muh tarkin doctrine!
@cc0767
@cc0767 5 жыл бұрын
@@platiuscyndar9017 r/wooosh
@platiuscyndar9017
@platiuscyndar9017 5 жыл бұрын
@@cc0767 alright we playing that game? r/itswooooshwith4os r/ihavereddit Also, if you look at my comment I think it's obvious I was being ironic, so, r/woooosh yourself.
@ironstarofmordian7098
@ironstarofmordian7098 4 жыл бұрын
@@cc0767 you where predicting your future, bucko.
@beckhamhome
@beckhamhome 5 жыл бұрын
A.) reading way too much into a fictional universe B.) Large empire should incorporate all possible tech and improvements. C.) Interdiction missiles, mines and placed on modified shuttle craft to make mobile. D.) Use ion cannons, use droid fighter pilots, make better fighters. E.) Teach your troops how to aim, teach gunners how to aim. F.) Teach capital ship pilots how not to fly into other capital ships. Giant universe and you fly like 20 people in a phone booth.
@AAhmou
@AAhmou 5 жыл бұрын
To be honest D) was a thing within EU empire... At the very least within the Dark Empire.
@ironstarofmordian7098
@ironstarofmordian7098 4 жыл бұрын
G.) Make sure your bridge as multiple decks between it and the outer hull.
@mattdarragh1811
@mattdarragh1811 5 жыл бұрын
Eck out here with 4:00 am vids. Epic
@vts0361
@vts0361 5 жыл бұрын
-1 am for me
@MemesOfProduction69
@MemesOfProduction69 5 жыл бұрын
@@vts0361 how the fuck did you get a notification at negative 1 am?
@casbot71
@casbot71 5 жыл бұрын
For once, being in Australia helps with notifications.
@J_Lag
@J_Lag 5 жыл бұрын
Thrawn would of love your idea, but Tarkin would not approve.
@nichtvorhanden5928
@nichtvorhanden5928 5 жыл бұрын
Why would Tarkin not approve? The greatest fear for enemys or criminals is that they can not run away and or hide, when a ISD shows up.
@caav56
@caav56 5 жыл бұрын
@@nichtvorhanden5928 Because Tarkin does not like making sensible decisions.
@nichtvorhanden5928
@nichtvorhanden5928 5 жыл бұрын
@@caav56 For me the theory behind the Tarkin Doctrin work pretty well. The only failure was the whole Death Star thing because it is sensless to promise security and build a planet killer weapon.
@Hartzilla2007
@Hartzilla2007 5 жыл бұрын
Well seeing as he used the Death Star to blow up a possibly just as effective alternative aka the Empire’s hyper space tracking research just to kill some rebels and a guy he hated...
@nichtvorhanden5928
@nichtvorhanden5928 5 жыл бұрын
@@Hartzilla2007 I wrote about the theory not the execution of the theory.
@DCPTF2
@DCPTF2 5 жыл бұрын
Sadly the plot prevented this idea from working for the empire
@k1sfd1974
@k1sfd1974 5 жыл бұрын
Ahhh yes.... Plot Armor... the thickest and most robust form of armor ever created or even conceived in though. Many, many good men and women have been saved due to fortuitous placement of plot armor. On the flip side, plot armor seems to be random at times and given to fail at the worst possible moment for the character (but best possible moment to add tension to a story). GO, GO Plot Armor! 😏😉 Enjoy the conference Eck! I'm planning on watching some of the E3 Live Stream starting at 11am. Thanks for the content! ✌🏼
@seanlehning1542
@seanlehning1542 5 жыл бұрын
Or evem better: arrogance. I absolutely hate arrogance as an explanation, since it's basically just another way of saying "stupidity" from a narrative standpoint. The Death Star should have had an escort fleet and CAP of TIEs, but why did it go in alone? Arrogance. Arrogance works on a personal level (i.e. Tarkin's refusal to evacuate) since its a character trait, but institutions should be somewhat more rational. I know arrogance can be baked into practices and policies, but in storytelling basic competence should be expected from villains.
@MCJonCRLKLLR
@MCJonCRLKLLR 4 жыл бұрын
Sean Lehning no, the resources for other ships were diverted to the death star
@weldonwin
@weldonwin 5 жыл бұрын
Kuat Driveyards were certainly aware of interdiction mine technology and had been for centuries, since they used them to control the approaches to Rothana
@Dunarcarn
@Dunarcarn 5 жыл бұрын
I bet kuat didn't do build more for the empire because they wanted more orders for ISD's
@nobody4248
@nobody4248 5 жыл бұрын
One trick empire could use is to employ civillian convoys for suppling their warships. That way it would be way harder to damage imperial pressence in a area and it would make it harder for rebells to keep moral high ground.
@ExcaliburHeavyBattlecruiser
@ExcaliburHeavyBattlecruiser 5 жыл бұрын
For a short while it would work, once someone circulates evidence of the empire deliberately placing citizens in danger, people would definitely rebel but they'd also attack the rebellion.
@marrqi7wini54
@marrqi7wini54 5 жыл бұрын
@@ExcaliburHeavyBattlecruiser That's the same reason Imperial Germany sunk the Lusitania back in WW1. It will cause a lot of animosity toward the enemy because the public doesn't know weapons were on the civilian ships. It could cause rebellions but if a good propaganda campaign is run, that might not be such a problem.
@novafire1150
@novafire1150 5 жыл бұрын
because the rebels would just get on those convoys and deliver a load of proton bombs into the hanger?
@GoranXII
@GoranXII 5 жыл бұрын
One issue with interdiction missiles is that they're unlikely to be heavily shielded, and so will probably be fairly easy to take out with fighters.
@DrakeAurum
@DrakeAurum 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I'm not convinced. If the technology could feasibly be miniaturised to that degree, Interdictors wouldn't be so large in the first place. I see the Hapan mines being something that could work when deployed together as a network, effectively co-ordinating to turn many tiny gravity wells into one large one. Deployed individually, they probably wouldn't have any significant effect.
@danielkorladis7869
@danielkorladis7869 4 жыл бұрын
Also it could be different technological strengths. IIRC the Hapans are portrayed as lagging a bit behind in turbolaser technology.
@brandonbeccue2752
@brandonbeccue2752 5 жыл бұрын
No one: Eckhartsladder: here’s a video at 3 am
@yorrickstute9169
@yorrickstute9169 5 жыл бұрын
Wow... that transition at 3:24 had me thinking: "Did Fractal blow those generators up a notch or are they really that bloated?"
@RandomPerson-nd2lf
@RandomPerson-nd2lf 5 жыл бұрын
If the interdiction missile was powerful enough and you had two of them, could you theoretically be able to rip enemy capital ships in half? I mean, it’s basically a gravity bomb, so I think it would work.
@LibertyLocalizer
@LibertyLocalizer 11 ай бұрын
Interdiction only seems to effect hyperspace
@DarkSapiens
@DarkSapiens 5 жыл бұрын
Perhaps this technology didn't see widespread use because the mines were too easily shot down by Rebel ships… Could be an in-universe explanation for their absence.
@3Rayfire
@3Rayfire 5 жыл бұрын
Agreed, if a GravWell Mine pops up on screen, it's immediately the priority target.
@jakejohnson4118
@jakejohnson4118 5 жыл бұрын
I feel interdiction missiles or mines would have greatly helped the Resistance in episode 8.
@shadowslayer205
@shadowslayer205 5 жыл бұрын
Not flying in a straight line would have greatly helped the Resistance in episode 8.
@novafire1150
@novafire1150 5 жыл бұрын
@@shadowslayer205 having a commander who didn't seem stoned out of her mind at all times would have helped the resistance in ep 8. as well as making a random jump. as well as having your pilots know to make random jumps before entering hostile systems AND after leaving them so they would have never been found due to ep 7
@Terminator484
@Terminator484 5 жыл бұрын
@@shadowslayer205 I'm not defending the movie... but I would like to point out that any maneuver you make in such a situation will allow your pursuer to cut the corner and get closer to you... so you'd be wasting any speed advantage you had on these maneuvers, and just hasten your demise.
@godzilla5006
@godzilla5006 5 жыл бұрын
Godzilla Earth vs Css Class Batllecuriser Covenant Ship
@thewretchedpleb7484
@thewretchedpleb7484 4 жыл бұрын
Basically a matter of who fired first. Also of whether the covenant energy projector would actually damage him or just feed him thanks to the radiation. If it's Godzilla earth, he also has a shield that took a hundred or so nukes no problem (when he was still smaller). Unless I'm misremembering the anime. Not watching it again if I am, lolol. Sounds like fairly even odds overall, since the ccs could fire from orbit well before being spotted. But any return fire from the stupid o.p. atomic breath would be a problem for the ship.
@theoncomingdork
@theoncomingdork 5 жыл бұрын
Eck: posts a video at 4am Me: watches it immediately because his content is always top notch
@AutisticGaming2004
@AutisticGaming2004 5 жыл бұрын
Its 2 am for me didn't expect a video at this time lol
@radiumuppet
@radiumuppet 5 жыл бұрын
ok here is what i am thinking: Mass Driver cannons/MAC Megamasers Kyber-powered weaponry or the big one... **POINT DEFENCE** It was none of them...
@blobfish_plays6548
@blobfish_plays6548 5 жыл бұрын
Rocket-powered seismic charges
@radiumuppet
@radiumuppet 5 жыл бұрын
@@blobfish_plays6548 yee that too
@nathanzhao1219
@nathanzhao1219 5 жыл бұрын
MACs won’t help against star fighters that much, star fighters can run
@nathanzhao1219
@nathanzhao1219 5 жыл бұрын
Kyber-powered weaponry doesn’t help if you don’t have point defence
@nathanzhao1219
@nathanzhao1219 5 жыл бұрын
Megamasers fail for the same reason, as they seem to be anti capital ship
@facundopasini
@facundopasini 5 жыл бұрын
Taking into account that the Imperial I-class begun production towards the end of the Clone Wars (it begun as Imperator-class Star Destroyer before the Empire) I think it was not possible for the designers at Kuat to guess that the destroyers would be facing enemies implementing hit-and-run tactics.
@Gooberpatrol66
@Gooberpatrol66 5 жыл бұрын
I can't imagine interdiction missiles last very long or have much range. It looks like mass shadow fields take a huge amount of power to sustain.
@wedgerancer
@wedgerancer 5 жыл бұрын
The tech DID exist during the GCW. I recall someone using interdictor mines against Rogue Squadron in one of the X Wing novels.
@yik-xianghue7249
@yik-xianghue7249 5 жыл бұрын
It was in the X-Wing Novel "Wraith Squadron". The "Empion mines" (EMP + Ion) were created by an rogue Imperial faction and used as a static trap to drag escaping ships out of hyperspace and disable them, whilst also calling for help. After one character comes up with what the mine would likely be comprised of, another character summarises it as: "...a bomb that detects hyperspace arrivals, puts out a gravitational pulse to bring them out of hyperspace prematurely, and then hits them with both ion pulse and electromagnetic pulse."
@wedgerancer
@wedgerancer 5 жыл бұрын
@@yik-xianghue7249 That's the one.
@LionofCaliban
@LionofCaliban 5 жыл бұрын
To borrow some phrasing from another KZfaqr. When you decide to use Mr Mine, he's no longer your friend. He's nobody's friend. Once he's out there and doing his own thing, you have no control of what he does. He's really, nobodies friend.
@jamesm783
@jamesm783 5 жыл бұрын
the difference between a normal mine, and an interdiction mine is that the interdiction mine isn't gonna kill anyone. just keep whoever's there from running away
@LionofCaliban
@LionofCaliban 5 жыл бұрын
@@jamesm783 Anti-tamper mechanisms, self destructs to prevent the Rebel Alliance from grabbing them, using them against you. How do you keep your weapon, in your control, so you don't allow them, the Alliance, to get them and use them against you. That's the part Eck didn't mention and seems to never mention.
@Crosshair84
@Crosshair84 5 жыл бұрын
@@LionofCaliban It would be pretty straightforward. The anti-tamper device would have an IFF transponder. Recovery ship gets close and broadcasts an interrogation signal for that ships interdiction missiles. The interrogation signal, if correct, triggers the anti-tamper devices IFF transponder to hash the interrogation signal with its serial number and transmits it back. The recovery ship knows which interdiction missiles were fired and will now know which interdiction missile they are near. They can then transmit the correct disarm code to the anti-tamper device and it will disarm itself. The missile can then be brought aboard and refurbished. If the anti-tamper device receives an incorrect interrogation signal, it can be set before launch to either not respond or respond with a fake serial number hash. The former would be used if the missiles were being used somewhere with lots of debris. Having the transponder not respond would make them harder for the rebels to physically locate after a battle. The latter would be used when in relatively clear space where the most basic of scans will pick up the missile. In that case, the fake serial number hash would warn the Imperial recovery ship that the missile it is looking to recover belongs to another ship. The rebels will have no way to tell a fake hash from a real one and will continue to waste time trying to disarm the missile. If enough bad attempts are made, the missile self destructs to prevent capture.
@LionofCaliban
@LionofCaliban 5 жыл бұрын
@@Crosshair84 And you've just stepped upped the complexity of the device. You've just made sure that you've need to test, the devices can accept the acceleration and remain functional. Not only that, you've just made sure that the chain of logistics around this device is that much more vulnerable, you need to not only protect the device, you need to protect the systems to talk to the devices. Then, those codes have to be protected, make sure that they don't get into Rebel hands. All it takes it is one leak, you've got to reset your entire system, because once you work out the formula used to spit out the hash key, then you can start to generate them yourself. So..... yeah, not really. Doesn't quite work like that. Also, it's a way for the Rebels to get explosives. Sure, you need to survive, but if you're there, find a couple of these, you can make some pretty good bombs. Especially if they only arm under very set conditions. If they don't and are otherwise armed, meaning to approach them is that much harder. That's the point of mines, after all. Area denial.
@Crosshair84
@Crosshair84 5 жыл бұрын
@@LionofCaliban "And you've just stepped upped the complexity of the device. You've just made sure that you've need to test, the devices can accept the acceleration and remain functional. " Why? This is off-the-shelf tech. This is a universe where they have hyperdrives, inertial dampers, artificial gravity, and repulsorlifts. Making sure stuff doesn't turn to paste when it accelerates would be pretty easy. "Not only that, you've just made sure that the chain of logistics around this device is that much more vulnerable, you need to not only protect the device, you need to protect the systems to talk to the devices. " Why? This is off-the-shelf tech. Capture all the IFF transponders you want. Without the correct programming, they're useless. "Then, those codes have to be protected, make sure that they don't get into Rebel hands." That's pretty easy to do, given that I specifically mention that each interrogation signal is ship specific and changed every time they are used. To the point that a recovery vessel from one ship could not recover the missiles from another. It would be generated onboard and changed every time the missiles were used. You'd have to infiltrate the ship, grab the codes, escape without being noticed, get back to friendlies, launch an attack, get them to launch their interdiction missiles, win the fight, THEN go recover the interdiction missiles with the stolen codes. It would be easier to just steal the plans for them and build them yourself. "All it takes it is one leak, you've got to reset your entire system, because once you work out the formula used to spit out the hash key, then you can start to generate them yourself. " No you can't. 1) You need the serial number of the individual interdiction missile to generate the hash. 2) The disarm code is independent from the hash anyway. 3) That's not how hashing works. Hashing and encryption ASSUMES that the formula will be known by an attacker. The formula for Twofish is freely available. It won't do you any good in defeating it. "So..... yeah, not really. Doesn't quite work like that. " it actually does. "Also, it's a way for the Rebels to get explosives. Sure, you need to survive, but if you're there, find a couple of these, you can make some pretty good bombs. Especially if they only arm under very set conditions. " You are confused about the purpose of an anti-tamper device in this case. These aren't bombs, where an anti-tamper device would simply detonate the explosive filler. All the anti-tamper device is intended to do here is prevent the capture of the interdiction missile. All that would be needed is a few demolition charges next to critical components. You might have a dozen hand-grenades worth of explosives, at most, in each interdiction missile. Capturing interdiction missiles for the purpose of harvesting explosives would be like invading Wisconsin so you can get free cheese. Not worth it at all. "If they don't and are otherwise armed, meaning to approach them is that much harder. That's the point of mines, after all. Area denial." An interdiction missile wouldn't have enough explosives to damage anything bigger than a TIE fighter. You only care about destroying the critical components of the interdiction field generator to prevent capture.
@KamenRiderGumo
@KamenRiderGumo 5 жыл бұрын
Warlord Zsinj and Admiral Trigit made use of the Empion Mine in the "Wraith Squadron" novel - a combination of a sensor suite, gravity well projector, an EM charge to flash-disable electronics (such as astromech units), an ion beam to disable the vessels themselves and a hyperwave transceiver to signal that a ship was ready for capture. It was an ingenius device, really, and had it been developed during the First Galactic Civil War I think the outcome would have been quite different.
@Blatadaba
@Blatadaba 5 жыл бұрын
Maybe the emperor thought they could be used against him. If a high ranking officer brought multiple star destroyers and used them on his flagship he wouldn't be able to escape and if the rebels got a hold of them well
@excubitor3440
@excubitor3440 5 жыл бұрын
Also, in the X-wing series when Zsinj attacks the moon of Commenor while Wraith Squadron is being formed he seeds mines around likely escape routes to catch survivors of the attacks.
@razgriz501
@razgriz501 5 жыл бұрын
The EmpIon mines! IBM glad someone else remembered these!
@brothergrimace3859
@brothergrimace3859 5 жыл бұрын
@@razgriz501 Oh, it was the FIRST thing I thought of when he started talking... starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Empion_mine
@KamenRiderGumo
@KamenRiderGumo 5 жыл бұрын
Saw this AFTER I made my own comment about the Empion Mines. :p ("Wraith Squadron" is my all-time favorite EU book - read it at least two dozen times.)
@luigithegreat1331
@luigithegreat1331 5 жыл бұрын
4am video? I'm having a twilight zone experience right now
@Me-cm5ql
@Me-cm5ql 5 жыл бұрын
Mabye the empire was meant to not have this tech, I mean after all, the emperor WANTED the empire to fail (George Lucas wanted the empire to fail as well) so that might be why the empire had huge holes in it But please don't stop these videos, there still awesome
@carrierominger5534
@carrierominger5534 5 жыл бұрын
Reapers (Mass Effect) vs the Flood (Halo).
@blueispaniard6513
@blueispaniard6513 5 жыл бұрын
Be more specific. At which stage is the flood infestation? Are the Reapers already there when the infection breaks out? In which universe does it happen, Mass Effect or Halo? I'm guessing the factions in said universe aren't present in your scenario, but does the flood have their tech? This kind of thing matters.
@robertwisowaty4295
@robertwisowaty4295 5 жыл бұрын
Yep, new podcast to listen to. Thanks, Eck you are one of my favorite content creators that truly cares about their content and fans.
@DaleESkywalker
@DaleESkywalker 5 жыл бұрын
Hello at 2 AM!
@kingsolomon673
@kingsolomon673 5 жыл бұрын
#AskEck Which SCP would fit in the Star wars Universe?
@weezaby6083
@weezaby6083 5 жыл бұрын
079 lol
@devourerofthots5598
@devourerofthots5598 5 жыл бұрын
Many would be normal
@hyrinshratu
@hyrinshratu 5 жыл бұрын
Wasn't Obi Wan riding a domesticated version of 682 on Utapau?
@valeriebredin7372
@valeriebredin7372 4 жыл бұрын
999 would me a better jar jar binks
@StarWarsGoldfish
@StarWarsGoldfish 5 жыл бұрын
What’s stopping star fighters from shooting it down? It still will distract and slow down rebels and be useful just I don’t think they’ll stay up very long
@eduardopipinel
@eduardopipinel 5 жыл бұрын
The problem was the Empire being so focused on constructing the Death Stars. I believe that all the resources (money, personal, research, etc) were completely allocated in the project so that there weren't much left to improve or to be more creative in other fields. Especially if we consider that while in the midst of this they were building the military as well. So, I believe that even though some of them would like to have better fighters, more suitable capital ships, and explore other options in combat technology, they wouldn't have the resources to do so.
@asdfjoe123
@asdfjoe123 5 жыл бұрын
Who else expected "Tapcaf Transmissions" to be auto-parts?
@DarkNova50
@DarkNova50 5 жыл бұрын
Grand Moff Tarkin: "Unless these missiles are at least 500 meters long and equipped with their own turbolasers I'm not interested."
@hyrinshratu
@hyrinshratu 5 жыл бұрын
"They also have to fire their own equally large missles."
@philippobitz2592
@philippobitz2592 5 жыл бұрын
If I recall correctly, Imperious-class Star Destroyers carried with them several so-called 'Gravity Mines'. So even if the GCW-era Galactic Empire did not know how to manufacture these, we know for sure that they were being used by the Expanded Universe Legacy-Era Krayt Empire at around 137ABY. The Imperious' predecessor, the Fel Empire's Pellaeon-class, was equipped with a Gravity Well Generator onboard, and that was their main capital ship, essentially the Legacy-Era's ISD I, so by that time, the 'Second GE' already solved the problem of interdiction technology being very expensive.
@jackstecker5796
@jackstecker5796 3 жыл бұрын
Don't forget, in the first Wraith Squadron book, there was that combination EMP/ gravity well mine that basically smoked the squardon.
@razgriz501
@razgriz501 5 жыл бұрын
There's also the EmpIon mines that Admiral Trigit used in Wraith Squadron. Though, that did cost him the Night Caller...
@hyrinshratu
@hyrinshratu 5 жыл бұрын
To be fair, no one could have expected a Gammorean to rampage through the ship hip-firing an anti-ship weapon.
@casbot71
@casbot71 5 жыл бұрын
*Other options in addition to the mines.* Refit Interdictor ships to be specialised in AA defence since the countermeasure against them is sending your fighters in immediately for a quick disable. And friendly capital ships can screen them from the rare rebel capital ships. A pair of ISD''s in formation ahead of it can stop any capital ship getting through but they would have no hope of blocking snub fighters from getting to the Interdictor. As for the Interdictors a special version of the ISD with interdictor technology *_hidden inside,_* not as powerful as a standard Interdictor Star Destroyer but still effective enough, that has no external difference to a standard ISD. In a major fleet battle it can't be specifically targeted by rebel ships looking to escape. The extra space can come from completely removing it's capacity to carry ground forces, troops, a portable base, Walkers ect, just leave it a fighter compliment, so that it's still identical in space combat. It's used as a support ship in tandem with a fleet, not as a standard Imperial patrol and system dominance vessel. And it can be moved around to lock down unruly systems or patrol prime targets when not on fleet duty, to confuse rebel forces. They do a hit and run and have the bad luck to encounter it, meaning there is the potential for any hit and run raid to become a *hit and hang around.* Another countermeasure is to load up ISD's tubes with anti fighter ordinance as standard, ready to fire at a moment's notice. Rebels jump in and snub fighter pilots are still getting their bearings while a barrage of guided missiles streak in at them. And just put Thrawn in charge…
@timbartschwolfman
@timbartschwolfman 5 жыл бұрын
Morning EckhartsLadder
@attila535
@attila535 5 жыл бұрын
"That's cute."- dictors in EVE Online
@jacobpeterson4071
@jacobpeterson4071 5 жыл бұрын
Hey man it's late, get some sleep! Awesome video as always btw ;)
@kumardias9348
@kumardias9348 5 жыл бұрын
"First of all because im reading way too much into a fictional universe" hahahaha nice one Eck
@jaymikevillanueva1212
@jaymikevillanueva1212 5 жыл бұрын
Good job Ecks! Also, another cost-effective addition for the Empire to negate Rebel hit-and-runs is to increase the use of Victory-Class Star Destroyers, Vindicator Cruisers, and other capital ships of similar tonnage and arm them with interdictor mines and missiles. All this combined with swarms of shielded TIEs, Skipray blastboats, and TIE Defenders or TIE Advanced can eliminate both the Rebel ships trying to flee and their starfighters. It never hurts to even arm valuable Imperial orbital bases and shipyards with interdictor missiles and an inventory of interdictor mines to minimize Rebel escapes while the reinforcements could be decanted out of hyperspace at specific areas to demolish Rebel lines and crush them.
@bkjeong4302
@bkjeong4302 5 жыл бұрын
JayMike Villanueva Actually, an even better option would be to build a bunch of corvettes and frigates.
@jaymikevillanueva1212
@jaymikevillanueva1212 5 жыл бұрын
@@bkjeong4302 Enhanced and modernized cruisers and frigates armed with interdictor mines and missiles, equipped with better starfighters for deadlier swarm tactics, and have Class One hyperdrives. The Tarkin Doctrine was stupidity and arrogance at their finest.
@bkjeong4302
@bkjeong4302 5 жыл бұрын
JayMike Villanueva Yeah that sort of massed light warship attack would be better.
@jaymikevillanueva1212
@jaymikevillanueva1212 5 жыл бұрын
@@bkjeong4302 That and wolpack tactics. What is needed are dedicated warship squadrons and taskforces designed to hunt Rebels. What also would make them efficient is if they work closely with Imperial Intelligence and special forces units.
@bkjeong4302
@bkjeong4302 5 жыл бұрын
JayMike Villanueva That too.
@Rteezy2012
@Rteezy2012 5 жыл бұрын
Keep it up, Eck!
@corwinhyatt519
@corwinhyatt519 5 жыл бұрын
A nasty twist on the concept would be bomber deployable limpet interdiction mines. Stick one or two to a rebel ship's hull and it isn't going anywhere. Field doesn't need to be that massive, at least compared to the ones created by Interdictor cruisers, it just needs to have a bubble large enough to interfere with the ship it is attached to and some of the surrounding space. Maybe couple it with and induction tap powered automated blaster turret for some more mayhem against any enemy fighters trying to remove the limpet. :)
@carrierominger5534
@carrierominger5534 5 жыл бұрын
United Mass Effect galaxy + the Reapers vs a Yuzhan Vong invasion (Star Wars).
@brian_the_person
@brian_the_person 5 жыл бұрын
If Star Wars used everything from Legends, I'm pretty sure Star Wars would be a different type of lore than it is now.
@TheDrag0nsoldier
@TheDrag0nsoldier 5 жыл бұрын
Wraith Squadron for a 7 ABY example. Empion mines were a Zsinj product with an Interdiction Mine armed with Ion Bomb & Transceiver.
@davidmolnar1072
@davidmolnar1072 5 жыл бұрын
#AskEck Why don't you make a video for answering askeck questions?
@antwan1357
@antwan1357 5 жыл бұрын
Now that I think about it... if Vader had a single ship using a gravity well .. Vader would have had Luke and Lea in a new hope. Or imagine The Empire Strikes Back with an interdictor near the Lando system.
@59rlmccormack
@59rlmccormack 4 жыл бұрын
Fascinating topic!
@AC4ace
@AC4ace 5 жыл бұрын
The novel "Star Wars: Wraith Squadron" actually does feature a single-use interdiction mine that was small enough that a Corellian Corvette could deploy numerous mines, so I don't think it's a miniaturization issue. Instead, I think it's a power issue. I've always read into it that Gravity Well Generators consume so much energy that it requires the use of large generators, and thus large ships, to create and maintain a sizeable enough field. The Hapan mines you refer to were, based on schematics I've seen, were on the scale of a dropship or light freighter, and thus too large to be effectively used in a missile.
@barrybend7189
@barrybend7189 5 жыл бұрын
Viking mech squadron( Starcraft) vs VF-1 Valkyrie variable fighter squadron( SDF Macross).
@generalironsteel5236
@generalironsteel5236 5 жыл бұрын
Congratulation Eckhart sladder For getting 450K Subscribers
@jakebailey1636
@jakebailey1636 5 жыл бұрын
interdiction droids may be a viable alternative. Potentially more expensive but with a droid brain they could target, and avoid fire. It would not surprise me if somewhere the Empire was able to acquire CIS fighters and frigates derelict since the clone wars, meaning plenty of droid ships to practice on until refining it into a cheaper, effective force replacing a TIE squadron with one of these wouldn't be too different to sliding in a bomber squadron to a fighter strike force either
@ig_4220
@ig_4220 5 жыл бұрын
@eckhartsladder Interdiction mines named Empion mines were actually used by Warlord Zsinj's forces before the Hapans did in the X-Wing legends book Wraith Squadron. There the titular squadron were struck by a mine laid in advance on a predicted retreat route that was also equipped with an Ion generator and a communications unit to alert the ship that had placed it to it's detonation.
@daryl0062
@daryl0062 5 жыл бұрын
Yeh man i remember those. Knocked out Phanan mechanical implants too
@nobleman9393
@nobleman9393 5 жыл бұрын
LAAT Gunship(Star Wars) vs Vulture Gunship(40k)
@jamesharrington001
@jamesharrington001 5 жыл бұрын
Totally different animals... True they both use the term Gunship, but that's like asking armed Blackhawk vs Apache... Really LAAT vs Valkyire would be a better fit.
@nobleman9393
@nobleman9393 5 жыл бұрын
@@jamesharrington001 Ok
@Gift0r
@Gift0r 5 жыл бұрын
In one of the Rogue Squadron books, Wraith Squadron was pretty effectively knocked out by such an "EMPIon mine", that combined a gravity well projector with a pulsed ion projector. The Squadron was pulled out of hyperspace and immediately shut down by the ion pulse.
@srg08
@srg08 5 жыл бұрын
Eckharts you forgot the “espion mine” used by Warlord Zjin in the X-wing serie the Wraith. The espion mine is a 5 part mine that detect ship in hyperspeed then set off a interdiction field just before a EMP and Ion burst with a the same blast radius and a hyperwave beacon to alert imperial of it detonation
@purplespeckledappleeater8738
@purplespeckledappleeater8738 5 жыл бұрын
The Empire could have got an old Lucrehulk battleship, turned it into interdiction ship, and had some anti-starfighter corvettes configured to dock externally. The shields of the Lucrehulk would have made it an effective interdiction vessel for a task force of ISD's and provided some escorts/fighters.
@privyetcomrade4841
@privyetcomrade4841 5 жыл бұрын
The Red Hawk isn’t here. My life is over
@darkwraithraziel6362
@darkwraithraziel6362 5 жыл бұрын
That would be one way to slow down a fleeing enemy but couldn't those fighter pilots just destroy the missile?
@samspeed6271
@samspeed6271 5 жыл бұрын
An interesting video. It makes sense to use interdiction missiles. Get a missile, swap the warhead for a gravity field generator, then launch like normal. The only problem I see with this is that you need a decent size of missile. You need to have enough room for the field generator, the guidance computer, weapon computer, transceiver for communication with the ship, fuel, engines, reaction control systems and anything else that may be needed. At the end of it, you may need to refit the weapon systems with a large enough missile tube or launcher.
@justsoicanfingcomment5814
@justsoicanfingcomment5814 5 жыл бұрын
A much simpler, cheaper and faster alternative would be to include an auxiliary point defense battery... A more involved alternative would be to swap the bridge and the fighter hanger so fighters could launch straight at the enemy or to cover the flanks and rear while protecting the primary bridge inside the heavily armored hull and at the same time eliminating the gaping week spot in the underside of the ISD and bridge on top.
@john3260
@john3260 5 жыл бұрын
Wow, nice timing eck, uploading vid in 6 pm AEST. Allowed me to be here before 1k views.
@nickprice2165
@nickprice2165 5 жыл бұрын
When I saw that thumbnail for some reason I thought “Oh he must be talking about equipping destroyers with some standardized mole miner weapon like what Thrawn used.” YA GOT ME
@nbixel
@nbixel Ай бұрын
My coworker said something like, all Star Wars battles make no sense. I am beginning to agree. There are so many examples of 3 ISDs sitting around absolutely not shooting anything... or not launching all fighters, like in a New Hope the Death Star could have like 9000 fighters easy, but they only deploy 20....
@Tom-ug7kt
@Tom-ug7kt 5 жыл бұрын
i suspect you have less problems to destroy a mine or missile, which has to be closer to your ship to work, than a Star Destroyer. So..you shoot your 5 missiles, they get shot down immediatly, aaaand they are gone
@huggiesunrise
@huggiesunrise 5 жыл бұрын
Well I think the biggest issueis that large warheads proton torpedoes included could be shot down by snub crapped and in most cases that was why the empire relied heavily on turbolasers cuz you can't shoot them down but the rebels snapcraft or fast maneuverable and can drop heavy and powerful pay loads.
@copperhamster
@copperhamster 5 жыл бұрын
Grammar note, and this is very nitpicky, but I thought I'd drop it in here, in the decades of sci-fi I have watched and read, when talking about FTL systems, most of the time 'leaving' FTL and returning to realspace is referred to as 'Dropping'. The Falcon 'drops' out of hyperspace. The Enterprise drops out of warp. Etc. 'Jumping' is more commonly used to refer to engaging/entering FTL. I do agree some form of interdiction deployable in small scale makes sense, and the Hapens used them but Hapen ships were, from what I understand, like the X-Wing compared to Imperial Star Destroyers being Tie Fighters. Yeah, ISD's were cheap bulk warships. Relative to some other navies.
@guswee5261
@guswee5261 5 жыл бұрын
Do a sanctuary 2(Thanos´s ship) vs supremacy vid plz!! love your vids btw!!
@mariestidola3573
@mariestidola3573 5 жыл бұрын
These star destroyers are awesome
@patton3rd1
@patton3rd1 5 жыл бұрын
TAPCAF Transmissions sounds like an auto mechanic shop
@darthcorbi
@darthcorbi 5 жыл бұрын
In Thrawn: Alliances there is another fairly small interdiction device, which could probably be modified for such a purpose.
@cappycowan2324
@cappycowan2324 5 жыл бұрын
the missiles would be very larger and require power to make this field. so they would be very variable targets because of there weak or none existent shields. thanks for the hard work man
@NothingisTrue2013
@NothingisTrue2013 5 жыл бұрын
uploading at 4am, noice
@dwaldpilar9309
@dwaldpilar9309 5 жыл бұрын
They would also be very tactically used, such as covering your flanks and funneling an enemies attack
@peternordgren
@peternordgren 5 жыл бұрын
Not sure about the Hapan tech or even what a Hapan is, but pretty sure that the interdictor mines used against the Vong were reverse engineered from Vong tech, so that at least wouldn't have been available to the Empire. To me the easiest (for some pretty hard values of easy) way to get gravity well projectors into the field would likely be an interdiction module for the Strike Cruiser. Smaller than the ones on the Immobilizer even and so presumably pretty weak, but it should still be useful. One advantage might be that if the Empire built a lot of Strike Cruisers and squadrons contained several they might not suffer as the Immobilizers should, by instantly becoming priority targets.
@davidtherwhanger6795
@davidtherwhanger6795 5 жыл бұрын
I'm thinking that any system with major traffic or large orbital facilities could benefit from say interdictor mines. I used to play Star Fire. In that space stations with communication suites could effectively control fields of Independently Deployed Energy Weapons, Mine Fields, or Missile Pods. And they could activate or deactivate several at a time using these facilities. With interdictor mines an Approach Control could effectively shut down specific areas to prevent suspicious vessels from leaving before a security unit could intercept. This also would not be that expensive to retrofit as most space stations would have numerous add ons over the years that could be repurposed or worked into the upkeep budget.
@TK4541
@TK4541 5 жыл бұрын
The thumbnail make me think, "the Empire got GN drives. Shit gonna get real bad quick."
@rjonboy7608
@rjonboy7608 5 жыл бұрын
Well, idk for sure, but a lot of this goes back to Timothy Zahn's Heir to the Empire. The prime reason Thrawn wants C'baoth was to recreate the Emperor's trick of directly controlling his units in battle using the Force. It didn't seem to matter about the equipment or personnel (though it seems to have had bad effects) he could run them like clockwork in his arrogance. It seemed to become personal to him, especially with Skywalker acting for the Light.
@jedigecko06
@jedigecko06 5 жыл бұрын
From the thumbnail I thought... *_Torpedoes!! ALL the torpedoes!!_* (Actually, make sure they have good IFF, or we've just given _Rogue Squadron_ free ordnance. _Jet back!! Jet back....)_
@garronn
@garronn 5 жыл бұрын
So why not make "sticky mines"? Just launch this at a ship, high powered magnets attach it to the ships hull and now they can not flee ever.
@ashipthattriestobotheryou4759
@ashipthattriestobotheryou4759 5 жыл бұрын
They can flee from us, But not from death!
@marrqi7wini54
@marrqi7wini54 5 жыл бұрын
Better idea. Make sabotage droids that attach to star fighters like buzz droids. Only instead of buzz droids make them the size of bullets.
@shadowslayer205
@shadowslayer205 5 жыл бұрын
@@marrqi7wini54 Buzz droids are already small enough that starfighters can deploy them via missile.
@marrqi7wini54
@marrqi7wini54 5 жыл бұрын
@@shadowslayer205 Understood they are a good size but I personally would want something that an R unit in a starfighter couldn't easily deal with and where one missed machine can reek mayhem on the enemy.
@reginaldtyroneshort
@reginaldtyroneshort 4 жыл бұрын
In regards to interdiction I would’ve placed them on bulk freighters like PCL 27 or Kuat Super Transports where a 100 man crew could’ve had the same impact as an IMM 418.
@t3h51d3w1nd3r
@t3h51d3w1nd3r 5 жыл бұрын
interdiction missiles that have limited ai for steering and then attach themselves to their targets like reverse buzz droids, by the time they are located and removed from the hull the battle is over or they could also attach trackers
@kriegscommissarmccraw4205
@kriegscommissarmccraw4205 5 жыл бұрын
Im very tempted to make an animation of star wars, using eck's ideas, an without plot shields, would be fun to watch the empire curb stomp the rebels . . .
@Sandrock999999999
@Sandrock999999999 5 жыл бұрын
I see one major problem with this, a problem which feeds into one of the other major strategies of the rebel alliance. Namely, they take the empire's stuff. You are, essentially, shooting expensive tech at your enemy, hoping they don't pick it up, deactivate it, and take it with them to use against you to far greater effect. Could you imagine the rebel alliance using these to mine hyperlanes, disrupt imperial supply chains, and leave ships relatively defenseless to be boarded and commandeered for rebel use? I do like the idea, but I feel that interdiction tech is far more useful for the rebel's strategies then the empire's. So launching them samples of this tech, while making better use of the tech for the empire, opens that same tech up too much to be stolen.
@andyco94
@andyco94 5 жыл бұрын
What about building a smaller interdictor generator at the nose of the ISD 1? If I'm not mistaken, they could keep up with rebel ships, the ISD could just chase them while the generator is active.
@meowmeowmeow594
@meowmeowmeow594 5 жыл бұрын
How to win: spam a massive amount proton torpedoes, overwhelming defence cannons.
@nonyabisness6306
@nonyabisness6306 5 жыл бұрын
Interdictor Cruisers are expensive because of the interdiction tech, therefore shifting platforms isn't really gonna do much for you. It also seems to me like interdiction mines/missles could very easily be destroyed, so you'd end up with a costly throwaway item that isn't all that effective. If anything the empire needed to build smaller ships and just buy some better fighters from the open market. you could even combine this to build small carrier ships with limited interdiction capablities. Though technically they still had large amounts of clone era fighters that they could've used against the rebels. Personally i think the empire wouldn't have been defeated by the rebels, but seeing as it's a fictional universe where the good guys win....well.
@maxoverdrive6664
@maxoverdrive6664 5 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see a more in depth discussion of Valkorion/Vitiate. Its currently accepted, while heatedly debated, that Palpatine was the most powerful Sith ever. Yet Palpatine's displays of force powers were minuscule compared to the kind of power Vitiate displayed. Vitiate was almost omnipotent and omnipresent, mind controlling entire planets and fleets from across the universe. Theres truly no reason to even believe Vitiate was permanently killed in The Old Republic since everything he experienced was something he had already previously experienced and returned to life from.
@1COMIXMAN
@1COMIXMAN Жыл бұрын
I think what star destroyers needed also was proton missile batteries on the side edges of the ship the top spine and bottom. They have oodles of laser turrets but you never see torpedos. They never show them in movies.they never hardly used torps on capital ships just smaller ships.
@DerAnanasKing
@DerAnanasKing 5 жыл бұрын
these interdiction mines and missiles would be very vulnerable to be shot down by countermeasures. you would need to supply a constant stream of interdiction mines and missiles to oversaturate the enemy countermeasures, or shield them sufficiant. so I think in the end you would end up with a more costsla and more inefficient methode than using an interdictor ship.
@kennethferland5579
@kennethferland5579 4 жыл бұрын
Generally things called 'mines' are only effective when laid in mass prior to battle, shooting them at your enemy as a missile is far less effective, as their speed means they have an energy signature and can be easily target and destroyed such that the number of active units may never rise to a sufficient amount to trap the enemy. A mine-field needs to cover a large enough area and contain enough mines that the enemy can not sweep it in the middle of battle.
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