Well that and the 8pm bed time.

Well, also ludicrous amounts of plot armor. That seems to be his main defense.

I don't think Lion has an arthritis problem since he dunked Angron like it's nothing

​@@immortalwarrior2695wait he beats angronn?

@@immortalwarrior2695 No, he literally says that his bones are aching in the Son of the Forest. The only reason he beat Angron is because he can magically teleport to dodge using the Forest Walking and has the Emperrors shield to magically reflect attacks if he can't dodge.

He probably used to just rip them apart when he was younger

He is still warming up. 10.000 years nap? Have you woken up after 10 hours sleep? You are not a person until some time has passed. Imagine 10.000 years of that. It is going to take time. And I bet he didn't sleep in a bed either.

​@@OfficerIreneEnclaveHe actually addresses this very thing in the book. He talks about being just fractionally slower, weaker and having slightly less endurance. He relies on his sons to support him in battle now where before he says he would just charge in bare hands and rip everything a new one.

​​@@BM-wf9uf I'm imagining a custodian when they "retire." Custodian: Damn! I was a whole nanosecond slower than usual. Oh well, time to screw off into deep space and become an Eye of the Emperor.

Does Coffee still exist in 40k? I ask because people are waaay different after taking some, including myself. It might help if the metabolism isn't insane right? Even the Space Wolves have themselves a drink.

Well it would be a bit rough going to sleep as a 30 year old and waking up as a 60 year old.

Especially in the crusade era (not that they existed long enough to know) but space marines didnt live long enough to grow old Lion el Johnson is the *only* primarch to have sat through 10,000 years - they are literally too 'chad' to even know they age at all, they grew to the size they are and then they could've been there for all eternity for all they knew Guilliman stasis, everyone else either the warp, dead or literal immortal (vulkan)

​@@PJOZeus TBF Dantioch was aged 3000 years by the Hrud, and that seemed to be enough to cause him to have to use a cane sometimes.

Same vibes as Rogal Dorn literally not knowing what fear was until someone pointed out that what he was feeling was fear.

@@AngryHomunculus keeping in mind perturabo was also hit by the Hrud and absolutely felt himself aging. from what i recall perturabo seems relatively unaffected physically, but his armor is damaged (worn out?) by the aging so it must have been a significant amount of time that passed. edit- ive been corrected! perty and his armor were completely unnaffected despite being blasted by the hrud while his surroundings crumbled to dust by the "aging".

Let us all be real. All Primarchs are Boomers. ... Shit I hear a loud whistling sou- *explosion and vox disconnected*

And so the Lion boomed him

Good one😂​@@tefras14

​@tefras14 I think that would be a great way to go because lets be real, the guys back is broken, and they were going to kill him anyway.

This writing is just GWs way of nerfing the Lion

Ah ultramarine plot armor

I mean guiliman was in stasis the entire time, the lion was just kind of sleeping in a cave for 10000 years. The blueberry didn't have a chance to age

@@MO-uy5gq I meant no offense against the lion I am just explaining why would he think he was impeded.

Bobby G also woke up in a full suit of armour with a built-in primarch sized power fist. Guilliman will never not have a weapon while in that armour

Maybe Lionel just had muscle atrophy. He was just laying there for millenia.

At that point, they could just join a space marine chapter and serve among the troops. Their slow is more than the peak of a space marine

@@lego007guym8 They do serve as spies who go into places no one else dares to tread.

​@@lego007guym8retired custodes do still serve tho, like informants back to their active brothers... But most wild thing I heard when they retire is them being recon or stealth... Like how? lol

@@lego007guym8 they're usually required for *much* higher profile missions, at that point xD

@@ashurad_fox5991”is that a golden giant in the bushes staring at us through binoculars?

I guest he might remind him of the past. Though the corruption set in afterwards.

I lions mere presence made marines wish he was their primarch even his brothers weren't immune angron felt fear for the 1st time in 10000 years upon seeing him stride forth

In the book it is written in italics, as if he was saying it mockingly.

I think its either that, or it’s sarcasm

It's true, though. Mr Johnson is the older brother of ALL primarchs. 🙂

He was asleep in the what?

@@Bloodyknite In the Rock that makes you old.

@@SignedWithBlooddon’t be ridiculous. A rock can’t make you old.

@@Thought_Processing_ have you seen the lion? He was young and now he's old. Because he went to the rock that makes you old.

@@Bloodyknite Deez Nuts

No I think he was genuinely flabbergasted that Lion didn't look at a mirror or anything

On the contrary, I think this chaos space marine is actually quite honest to some degree. He's literally in awe of the Lion's prowess and wonders how could such a man possibly be "impeded"

tho I think it would be something sevetar would say to him.

How was he arrogant?

​@XDerNetteMannX You gotta have a certain level of arrogance to worship Chaos to begin with, tbh, knowing full well how they operate. "Oh, I know that the Chaos Gods discard both demons and mortals at a whim. But that's not gonna happen to me!"

The watchers in the dark needed him asleep for one year to heal his wounds, and 9999 years to calm his temperament

They were probably inspired by Kratos when making him wiser in his old age tbh

bro ain't the top dog in strength anymore

​@@danieltukua4527kinda bad writing, his mind is still the same before being put in to the coma

I mean he had a lot of time to think "oh shit, i actually fuck up a lot"

I think it’s stress from the leadership position they’re in. Look at previous US president’s before starting and after leaving the presidency pictures. The job is only 4 to 8 years but they all look like they had the life sucked out of them.

I assure you that is not a theory Majorkill came up with. That “theory” has existed as cannon lore for AT LEAST 11 years now… in the unremembered empire, Euton describes Sanguinius as constantly shifting and changing depending on his and the primearch’s mood. He remarks that many of the primearchs have this trait… but none more then Sanguinius. Sanguinius is also remarked to have constantly changing eye color depending on his mood. His feathers have also been remarked to not be just white, but all the hues of color… his armor also changes color and his hair turns darker when he is in mourning.

@@halofly3most of them were pretty old people before even being in office so 4 to 8 years is still a lot

If you read sona of forest, hie does regain his strengh over time. That's early on. He shakes the rust off over course of the book. Passing trials and gaining more war gear etc. Once he finally ready, he finds some more like his old form.

This is pretty much canon, the whole "Hrud aged marines to dust and the Primarch is just like 'whaterver" thing pretty well proves it.

Reminds me of Nostraman humor lol

Is that Nigel and Marmalade references

​@@notusneo that is nigel and marmelade reference

NIGEL AND MARMALADE REFERENCE!

@@notusneo teeth bird: Lion BAStard

​@@archietiberius5005he's Nigel that tiny wizard riding upon his dog-horse stee-

how many time do we need to teach you this lesson old man

I feel attacked.

LOL Best comment! LMAO

Don't forget his power mower and chainbackscratcher.

HAHAHA! Black stone grill sounds amazing.. With some black and green Jordan 4's

You just know he drives a corvette, too.

Lion aged 10k year gully guy g rob was frozen

They had to nerf him somehow

​@@GHOSTTIEFLater on he takes the belt to five Chaos Terminators and defeats them in seconds. His 2ic just arrived after he put the last one in the dirt.

Guilliman was in a stasts tank. He didn't age a single day. Meanwhile, Lion had to get to the future the old fashioned way.

Logistics

"When I entered my slumber, I did so in a highly advanced stasis chamber, designed to preserve my strength and youth even as millennia passed by like hours. When you did the same, brother, you did so in a cave"

Guilliman has apparently aged RAPIDLY from the stress of managithe Imperium.

Guilliman will have aged more than him in the few years due to stress.

By the power of management. Usually that means you suck the life out of your employees but in Bobbie Gorillaman's case having a stasis chamber around was just good future proofing.

Pretty certain that's implied

@@TheRABIDdudecome to think of it I would also laugh if he first time I meat a Primarch is then complaining about getting too old for this shit

Chainsawman

@@Handles_arent_a_needed_feature ?

Yeah, but even if the Chaos Marine was an O.G. who'd been at the Siege of Terra, it's been pretty well established that the Warp changes the flow of time pretty significantly. Big Bobby Blue was essentially flash-frozen in stasis, and the Traitors have been preserved to some greater or lesser degree by Warp weirdness. The Lion has been in realspace the entire time, just waiting for the alarm clock.

He needs some vicks for sure

TO be fair, it is the lion. Bro's aura commands respect. Hell other primarchs both respect and fear him.

He's making fun of him, the voice acting direction on this channel is just really bad

True

I just love how chaos guy is suprised loyal Primarch still live... but then he got distracted by his wrinkles and laught

🤓 Actually i the word for forest is John😅

Perturabo was aged 3k years by the Hrud. He also said he felt old.

we'll we sure as hell know about corax

@@messiusonline2817 Time in the Immaterium doesn't work the same as in the material universe. And Corax is now a Warp entity himself.

@@terminallove3531 as previously stated, this is false. Stop parroting something you saw in the comments.

@@amonkeigh4970 What's false?

How long till he like dies of old age then

I don't even think he's old. I think he's just out of shape.

Nah, just over-slept, Lion's a primarch, age doesn't rot them.

Probably the second case is the most accurate to his condition but i think even now he is a lot over the Custodes level in everything and anything

I'm also almost positive that he's only slow because he is out of shape, and he just needs to do a bit of purging to get back into that prime physicality. Remember how he grew up on a world covered in monsters? Now he'll have plenty of practice.

He later slaughters a bunch of Chaos Terminators in seconds. He was just getting back into the swing of things. Guy ran a gauntlet against the Primarchs near the end of the book.

I mean Gulliman was not that bad, just shocking... since it's out of the blue. The imperium is losing, Cadia fell (not the guards, they still stand), the Imperium got divided in half... And all of a sudden, with the help of the Eldar. Gulliman is back, bringing the inevitable downfall of the imperium to uncertainty (and a chance for the Imperium)

Initially. I expect as soon as he meets back up with Guilliman he will be handed an armada and a bunch of primaris

@N0T-A-B0T he already has a crusade fleet and a legion. In the book Lazarus it implies that he is calling all Dark angels back to the Rock Successors chapters as well.

@@grayfullbuster1242 thx for the lore update. Lion: Son of the Forest, is the most up to date (chronology) I know of El Johnson. Is Lazarus the newest one?

@N0T-A-B0T Yeah it is. Lazarus wasn't there in the battle against Vashtor. He was given a different mission at that time. But it doesn't give hint of the Lion it just end when he receives the messaged that the Lion is calling them home

He was on a rock for 10,000 years. Of course he is stiff and tired

Just read The End and the Death III and imagine Sanguinius going turbo anime on Horus but replace him with Lion. That would be how I imagine young Lion

No. Sanguinius did all that anime stuff after fighting Kabandha, Angron, a couple Titans on the Eternity Gate, and with half his guts ripped out and no sleep in less than 3 days.

​@@boartankDid you just respond to yourself?

​@@starhammer5247 😂 Same thought.

And the gunshot at the end 😂

It's kinda weird that he aged to begin with. It is said that Astartes aren't supposed to age in some sources, but in other instances, they clearly do (Sigismund, for example).

@@justwannabehappy6735 Ya it's just... such a fixable problem for one in his position.

It's a thing to consider, but also worth mentioning is that Primarchs aren't just Super Space Marines (those are the Primaris). They're weird, and the least removed from the Emperor's weirdness. Reversing aging of a Primarch is probably not a trivial thing.

​@@justwannabehappy6735Astartes do age slowly, really slowly... like atleast 2-3k years before you see them look like in their 50's. (but majority of them rarely get to atleast 1k, excluding the ones on dreadnought) But I guess the reason he aged was him not being in a stasis chamber, unlike Gulliman? and he was gone for what 11k years.

@@shadeofsound23I agree, most medicines and everything are just pointless on a primarch, as their biology is naturally better than most treatment. At the same time, it probably resists a lot of it, considering most medicines are a type of poison, and primarchs are notoriously hard to poison. It’d probably resist most of the changes, if they could even break his skin with the equipment.