THE ORDER Polygamy Cult: “My Dad’s 3rd Wife is His Half Sister” ft. Amanda Rae

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"The Order" or the "Kingston Clan" is known for their incestuous practices of polygamy in an effort to keep their "bloodline pure". They are a fundamentalist branch of Mormonism in Salt Lake City where marrying 1st cousins and even half siblings is seen as perfectly fine. Amanda Rae, who was raised in this group, escaped at 17 and was seen on the TV show "Escaping Polygamy" helping others to do the same. Learn the ins and outs of this cult and why she so badly wanted out.
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Chapter Markers:
00:00:00 Intro
00:03:41 She didn't know who her dad was...couldn't call him dad
00:04:21 The Kingston private school
00:05:30 Did the Kingston group split from the Warren Jeffs sect?
00:07:00 How the mainstream Mormons are "doing it wrong"
00:07:58 Shady banking
00:12:42 Deleted scene from "Escaping Polygamy" during her brother's escape
00:13:28 How her family cut her off when she left- Sad birthday story
00:15:15 Her enormous immediate family tree
00:18:04 How her mom feel about her children leaving The Order
00:19:25 Amanda's early views on polygamy
00:20:01 Her mom's struggles with being married to her sister's husband
00:21:11 How her spirituality influenced her decisions
00:22:38 She was assigned to marry her 1st cousin!!!
00:24:34 COMMENTER Q: Degree of information control?
00:26:58 COMMENTER Q: Most shocking thing after leaving The Order?
00:28:40 She unconsciously became a compulsive liar due to indoctrination
00:29:58 Her opinion on the outside world
00:31:53 Let's talk RULES
00:33:27 The origin of the racist teachings
00:37:41 Additional rules of "The Order"
00:38:58 They think being gay is made up....
00:40:57 What if you're a gay woman?
00:42:25 Do all the wives live in the same house?
00:44:36 COMMENTER Q: How to spot and/or help people in cults
00:46:58 How she can identify a Kingston
00:52:22 Polygamy in my OWN hometown??
00:55:17 Linda, Listen
00:55:42 RESOURCE: Holding Out Help
00:57:03 Find and support Amanda
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@betsyvanek9275 Жыл бұрын

I'm a product of the LDS Indian Adoption Program ....or as I refer to it as Save the Little Savages Program. I just turned 65 and recovering. Married at 15, divorced at almost 18. Third marriage dissolving (DV in all) my suffering to earn my kingdom. I always wondered why I stayed for so long and suffered. You young women helped me reason out why. I was raised very strict Mormon both parents high positions in the church. I was SA by an uncle (LDS) and abused in my home...too much spirit I guess that they tried to break. I was messed up mentally but tough. Please keep doing what your doing and the Indian Adoption is also something to look into❤

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

Hi Betsy! Thank you for sharing. I’d love to chat with you further. You can email me at cultstoconsciousness@gmail.com ❤️

@alexwyatt2911 Жыл бұрын

I’m incredibly sorry that you were subjected to such awful abuse. I can’t imagine how much deeper your suffering has been due to your “adoption” (which is a wildly generous term) and the erasure of your heritage. I don’t know if it’s any solace to you but today, the US Supreme Court upheld ICWA. It’s a relief to know that even _this_ Supreme Court has its limits when it comes to rolling back the meager equality this country has attained.

@sky-pv7ff 10 ай бұрын

One thing to think on is the uncle wasn't related to you by blood. I know someone who was groomed and R by her biological father.

@deisyrosales9845 8 ай бұрын

Wow I’m sorry you went through that.., 😢

@louisebarradas8750 8 ай бұрын

I am so sorry you have had to go through this.❤

@MarkLee-dc2sl Жыл бұрын

Who is actually shocked Amanda is the most requested? She's a badass in exposing these nasty cults!

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

Riiiiight?! 😎

@heartgirl40 Жыл бұрын

it's because in a world where silence is violence, speaking truth so openly is SO powerful!

@albertmedel6130 9 ай бұрын

Amanda is a bad ass and a beautiful young woman.

@trollnystan Жыл бұрын

The way she's explaining how the wives had to raise the kids by themselves and support themselves financially, it kind of reminds me off my brother's former downstairs neighbour who was a muslim woman married to a muslim man with multiple wives, and she had three kids I think. That's of course not legal here in Sweden so every wife had their own apartment where they lived with their kids and he'd come by and visit now and again, but he couldn't financially support all of them, so some of them were on welfare as "single mothers" while others worked. Personally, I don't give an ish how many spouses you have as long as it's consensual, but don't have them if you can't at least contribute financially to the household and certainly don't have so many children that you can't have a personal relationship with them or support them.

@Rachel-yr7ch Жыл бұрын

Right? Really shows the order of that guy's priorities

@crowredeye8066 Жыл бұрын

In Warren Jeff's group (he is in prison) they did a similar thing for government benefits. I've heard it is called "bleeding the beast". The "beast", of course, is the government.

@bebeenderson7863 Жыл бұрын

Literally what is the point 😂

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

I agree. So wrong to do that to these women AND the children.

@joannetompkins7833 Жыл бұрын

That's very common among African muslims even if all the wives are in the same family compound. I live in West Africa so I see it often.

@writerj9129 Жыл бұрын

One of the hard parts of being a woman leaving a cult is not having someone to tell you what to do for the first time, I still struggle with decisions almost 7 years later

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

Absolutely. When your life is mapped out for you and you literally have no choices, once that door opens, it’s overwhelming!

@nellybagg5188 Жыл бұрын

one day at a time ..

@andie3448 Жыл бұрын

I feel that way and haven't been in a cult, I can only imagine how y'all feel 🥺

@francisnopantses1108 Жыл бұрын

I grew up in what I would call a family cult and had exactly the same problem. It was so hard to take charge when that was literally beaten out of me.

@shaisag1 Жыл бұрын

Yes it the most difficult and challenging thing for me to learn how I’m what is my purpose in life for me self if I’m not doing what “I’m supposed to do or be” so if it’s not the right way and everything I knew about myself and the world is lies and deception what is the truth and what is the “right way “ and I know it doesn’t make sense but 10 years later I’m still learning how to live for myself and do what I want i don’t have the normal way of thinking freely and just do whatever I want is still scary to choose to get to know myself and to to learn my own belief and desire but it’s guts better the work with my therapist is hoping and close friends ❤❤❤

@DalTronPrinting Жыл бұрын

My best friend in high school was a Kingston, his Mom was my Mom's cousin. He was a good guy, but he was definitely brain washed and couldn't see the stuff going on in his religion. He had been working since he was 12 and he was only paid in "Kingston Bucks" and it took him months to realize that.

@anitaboneshow Жыл бұрын

We're all brainwashed by our society to belleve that all sorts of nonsense is "true" when they are actually just arbitrary, made-up, cultural ideas and opinions used to establish order and control on behalf of the powerful.

@beesarelife2721 8 ай бұрын

😢

@jenshahhater Жыл бұрын

my son dated a kingston girl for a few years 😅 her mother left with her and her sister but her father would still lurk, offer her money, ect to come back. She’s a great girl and she’s out here thriving now! As “never mo’s” it was a learning experience

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

Oh wow! I’m glad she got out and is doing well!

@nickywal Жыл бұрын

They always want the girls back, one of Amanda's cousins was saying her dad would always talk about how he'd never been to prison or had a wife leave. Only for them to discover a wife had and taken all her children when one of the daughters came back wanting to meet her dad. They were immediately trying to push her into marriage, she ran as fast as she could thankfully

@ladyv5655 Жыл бұрын

I lived in Salt Lake City in the 1990's. I remember during the time about a big story about a girl who was forcibly married to her uncle. She tried to run away several times until her father took her out to the middle of nowhere, beat the snot out of her and then left her there. Maybe he meant to go back for her, but she made her way to a convenience store and the police were called. There was a trial and a lot of ugliness was made public. I think this was the Kingston group and apparently, incestuous marriages were/are the norm.

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

Yes I think Amanda talks about this on her channel actually. Or at the very least it was in “Escaping Polygamy” on tv

@kazferns64 Жыл бұрын

That's just horrific. I'm glad she got away and the authorities believed her.

@mienafriggstad3360 Жыл бұрын

Amanda has talked about this on her channel; they are her relatives 😭

@albertmedel6130 9 ай бұрын

I was living in SLC them. I remember that incident.

@theresenorway 9 ай бұрын

How terrible! 😢 I hope she have a good life now.

@topher2113 Жыл бұрын

Amanda & her sisters show (Escaping Polygamy) is what started me down the cult rabbit hole. I remember being shocked this kind of cult was operating so openly. I love the work she is doing to help others escape and bring these horrible people running the the order into the light. I think her brother Eskel would be an incredible conversation as well. Thanks for another great episode!

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

Yes! I’m going to see if he’s willing to come on 😁

@libertyrings7575 Ай бұрын

You'd also like Leah Remini : Scientology and the aftermath

@heatherrisberg8757 8 ай бұрын

I cannot imagine having a convo with my spouse and referring to mom or dad and it being the same for both of us!

@CultstoConsciousness 8 ай бұрын

😬

@morganmann5366 Жыл бұрын

I’m so happy she’s on here!!! I came out about 2 years ago and told my story in the comment section of one of her videos, and every now I then I still receive replies asking how I’m doing, she has a beautiful community, and a good heart.

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

I love that! We have a C2C guest application form if you’re ever interested in telling it officially 😊 it’s on my page in the links under “about” section

@morganmann5366 Жыл бұрын

@@CultstoConsciousnessthank you for presenting that opportunity to me, I’m not quite ready yet to share my story but I’ll definitely look into it when I am!

@lisapassarella4603 9 ай бұрын

⁠@@morganmann5366it might help you to share your experience. I understand that it’s difficult to talk about at this time but it will help you get it out to set yourself free from the madness of this evil cult

@Amandaaa2244 Жыл бұрын

When I worked in the temple, there was a temple worker who refused to let someone enter with an active temple recommend because he had a tattoo and the temple president lost it on that temple worker for being so heartless. The temple matron had a meeting with all of the sisters who were temple workers to tell us that we can’t tolerate that, and should correct the male temple workers who are denying people entry due to tattoos. It was my favorite meeting at the temple worker ever haha

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

Wowwwww! I’m glad they stood up for that person. Imagine how ashamed he felt for being shamed about that

@sherrig7752 Жыл бұрын

whaaaaaaat?! thats terrible. He doesn't know that persons story. They could be a convert. They could have been inactive and returned to church. Heck, he could have always been active and gotten a tattoo

@Amandaaa2244 Жыл бұрын

@@sherrig7752 that’s exactly what the temple president/matron said. Who cares about a stupid tattoo? It doesn’t determine worthiness

@Maiju86 Жыл бұрын

@@Amandaaa2244 Money is money right? 🤑

@michaeldavis146 9 ай бұрын

@@Amandaaa2244and there will born a child with a picture of a lion as it were on his left hand . There talking about visible Judah. He literally has a picture of a lion as it were on his left hand . Judahs Father is Lord Jesus Christ . I think it is in the testament of Joseph or Judah. Came out of his Father's loins . Jesus is God .

@sngray11 Жыл бұрын

I’m familiar with this cult from the TV show Escaping Polygamy. It is mind-boggling to me that the Feds haven’t come in and closed this cult down. Thank you Shelise for having Amanda onto share her story with all of us. 💗

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

I agree! It’s crazy! Thanks for your support!❤️

@brittanysauer6416 Жыл бұрын

The feds are probably in on it.

@bripearce45 10 ай бұрын

Money.... that's why... or at least that is what I think. I believe they are paid to stay away.

@ktown8139 Жыл бұрын

I’m so glad that you also noticed Kody Brown’s Personality Disorder! I would not be surprised if he was diagnosed as a Narcissistic Sociopath. He is cruel, thoughtless and lacks insight into himself and others. He ALWAYS puts himself and his situation before others - including his children - treating them dreadfully, unless it also benefits himself. Moreover, Kody lacks empathy, the ability to see things from other perspectives, how certain things or actions affect others, etc.

@GL-yg8uc Жыл бұрын

I relate to her so much. We were non active mainstream Mormons, and my parents had us isolated on the side of a mountain, in what I understand now was a family cult dynamic. Most of us were “homeschooled” with no real education outside scripture lessons. As the third oldest, I was assigned the nurturing role. I developed a very motherly bond with my baby siblings as I was a teenager when many were born. There were 12 of us. When I dared come against my abusive parents by trying to report abuse, the family system worked tirelessly to sully my name in the family, and alienating me from all of my siblings that I raised. Though most of them are grown now, and are slowly coming back to me when they need help, the damage is still done. The kids still internalized those years of negative beliefs about me. I was diagnosed with ptsd and still have dreams they’re all babies again and I’m able to protect them. Years later and I still feel as though my kids were stolen from me all because I fought the family enmeshed cult. I’m 38 now, and refuse to have my own children. I will never let anyone ever control me or blackmail me through my love for my children again. Raising children is the most dangerous risk to heartache. People that knew these were my children more than my mothers new that they could dominate me and threatened me, and discipline me through withholding my kids. Never again. I lost them. I will never let myself be that vulnerable again. Motherhood is so vulnerable. If an ex, or anyone wants to hurt you, they always go through the kids first.

@motomom1311 9 ай бұрын

🤍🤍🤍🤍

@karrie7102 8 ай бұрын

🩵🩵🩵🫂

@kerstinklenovsky239 Жыл бұрын

Shelise, you are turning into a "cult buster" to be reckoned with! 😎 Love you, love Amanda. ❤️

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

Hahah yesss I love it! ❤️😁

@nerysghemor5781 Жыл бұрын

Have either Shelise or Amanda discussed anywhere the fact that a cult basically runs the entire state of Utah? Realizing the implications of this has become more and more disturbing the more I’ve learned.

@kristazabriskie1250 Жыл бұрын

Utahn here. They don’t basically run it, they do. And we all know it. They own the local Coca Cola bottling company, but caffeine is against the rules. Our downtown area’s streets are literally named after and routed entirely around the temple. As a kid, non-Mormons are the “bad” kids and aren’t allowed at Mormon homes. We know, and we’re very separated.

@fduranthesee 7 ай бұрын

@@kristazabriskie1250 Utah sounds like hell

@jayterra2060 4 ай бұрын

@@kristazabriskie1250 omg!

@aliciasmith4421 Жыл бұрын

I remember being paired with some order boys in High School for a "group project' and I had to tell my teacher that I needed SWITCH bc they would not even talk to me, they only talked over me, and were so rude.

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

Ugh. The worst!

@oonaellaa Жыл бұрын

47:30 I so relate to this. I was born in a cult in Finland and I can always spot a member of that group. I can’t explain why but I just can.

@lisal.1114 Жыл бұрын

Maybe your brain atunes to them, since they are the closest danger that u had to experinece while growing up? I know people that grew up with narcissistic family members or emotional unpredictalbe onces have that. U just know, since your subconcious tries so hard to protect u from new people like that.

@Maiju86 Жыл бұрын

Mitä? Onko Suomessa kultteja? 😳 Olisi mielenkiintoista tietää enemmän.

@oonaellaa Жыл бұрын

@@Maiju86 kultteja tai lahkoja. Kääntyy molemmiksi. Vaikkapa ihan vanhoillislestadiolaiset tai MAP-kirkko on lahkoja/kultteja BITE-määritelmän mukaan.

@emmelinesprig489 Жыл бұрын

I GASPED. Two powerful warriors fighting for freedom and peace ❤️

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

😁😎🙌

@notheothersarah Жыл бұрын

Watching Amanda's glow up over time has been such a joy.

@lexilee5 Жыл бұрын

Genuinely love her

@GoldenMom815 Жыл бұрын

💯

@thandikente7646 Жыл бұрын

She has such courage…there is so much enlightenment she carries.

@WohWoh91 Жыл бұрын

I wish they’d do more seasons of Escaping Polygamy!! That was my favorite show to watch when I was in clean and sober housing!

@michaelspurling4376 Жыл бұрын

My great grandmother was one of three Mormon wives and 100% native American. I can't imagine how horrible her life must have been.

@dobbysboggart6883 Жыл бұрын

Was she part of the fundamentalist groups? Because 19th century plural marriage was different.

@michaelspurling4376 Жыл бұрын

@@dobbysboggart6883 No, mainstream Mormon but women were and still are second class in the church and people with dark skin were below that.

@alexwyatt2911 Жыл бұрын

@@dobbysboggart6883Different how?

@dobbysboggart6883 Жыл бұрын

@@alexwyatt2911 ... For starters, in the 19th century, women got married no younger than was typical of the American frontier. And they entered these marriages of their own free choice.

@alexwyatt2911 Жыл бұрын

@@dobbysboggart6883 So the polygamist marriages within the Mormon church-especially Joseph Smith and Brigham Young-just didn’t happen?

@thecrafterscauldron Жыл бұрын

I’m so excited to see Amanda on the other side of the interview!

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

😜

@Brembelia Жыл бұрын

@@CultstoConsciousness I've known about Mormonism for a long time, but this is interesting. Does anyone know if there are any Shakers from Western Massachusetts still living? That, too, would be interesting to hear their take on things.

@aimeegallant-bruns5784 Жыл бұрын

I remember Amanda from her show Escaping Polygamy! I was obsessed with that show because it was so heartbreaking. I probably cried at every episode. I am so happy to see what she has done since then and she is continuing to heal out loud. You are so amazing Amanda!

@Tess-163 Жыл бұрын

What a beautiful woman I’m so glad she got out instead of wasting her life in that revolting cult

@barbh1 Жыл бұрын

Marriage to such close relatives, the children could be a lot worse than 12 toes. Are these folks not aware of the danger to the children?

@DimaRakesah Жыл бұрын

They don't care. Kids are a status symbol. They want women to have lots of kids to expand the church, provide more labor and provide more young girls to marry back into the cult.

@nickywal Жыл бұрын

The leaders claim there's no issues, but they're now genetically testing kids to see who they can safely marry. But its all "direction from god" of course

@amberinthemist7912 Жыл бұрын

They don't care about the danger to the children. It's all about the ego of the man.

@brianwaller7383 Жыл бұрын

At least I’ll never have to deal with it because nobody wants me nobody. And I got the receipts to prove it

@maroonblue7064 Жыл бұрын

@@brianwaller7383 Twitch subscriptions receipts?

@domsmom725 Жыл бұрын

I have a dear friend, a gay man, who grew up in a strict catholic household and was forced to go to a conversion therapy camp in his teens/20’s and he dealt with so much pain and internal torture from the whole experience… he felt forced to live a lie, believing he was going to rot in hell because he was broken and not good enough to make it to Heaven, seeing close friends of his taking their own lives.. caused a lot of damage in him. It’s heartbreaking stuff, does wayyy more harm than good. Thank God, thru time and lots and lots of therapy, he got away from all that and is living his best life, as 💯 his authentic self, happily with his life partner of 25+ years.. (and has a beautiful relationship with God even), so I couldn’t be more happy for him! Not everyone’s story has a happy ending though:( those kinds of programs should be illegal imo

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

Wow! That’s so awful what he went through. I’m so happy that he is doing better now!

@domsmom725 Жыл бұрын

@@CultstoConsciousnessme too:) thanks Shelise! Love your show 🫶🏻

@kazferns64 Жыл бұрын

So heartbreaking. I'm glad he's doing well now!

@rhondadearborn3265 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for having Amanda on...I was one of the many who requested it. I think you could do multiple videos with her, as she has so much to share.

@Red-rose-garden Жыл бұрын

Even leaving an abusive marriage no matter what religion or belief system is super difficult and frightening because where can a woman flee to with her kids! She has to leave the home and then go where? What if she doesn’t have relatives or close friends?

@nickywal Жыл бұрын

Yeah children are the reason a lot of women stay, especially in these groups where the first wife is also legally tied to him and the fathers are actually on the birth certificates, so can and will fight to keep especially daughters in the group. Increasingly pets are also a concern, especially as most domestic abuse centres won't take pets that aren't service dogs

@micheleosullivan4430 Жыл бұрын

I started asking a lot of questions in church as a teenager. After deciding religion wasn't for me, some family members weren't happy, but eventually accepted my choice. I cannot even imagine what you went through. Your strength is a testament to your character and I only wish the best for you! Some of the best families are the ones you choose, not always the ones you are born into.

@qtmisskris8743 11 ай бұрын

How have I not heard of this channel before??!! I really enjoy learning about cults and whatnot. This is amazing ❤️

@DiannelLaird Жыл бұрын

I’m so happy, that this interview finally happened and I can’t wait for the next one. This was a really great episode and both of you have so much information to share about all of your experiences. I hope you both have a wonderful weekend and I can’t wait to see your next chapters on both of your channels. Hugs to both of you amazing young women.🤗🤗

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

Wooo! Thank you! Glad you liked it! More coming soon 😁😁

@ms.fancypants8548 Жыл бұрын

I am so happy that you interviewed Amanda I love her channel and I've been following her since "Escaping Polygamy"!

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

Wooo!🥳

@mostvaluableproduction Жыл бұрын

This is so mind-blowing. Amanda, you are amazing. I can't believe I haven't seen the show. I knew of these various groups that broke away from mainstream LDS and continued polygamy, but I never realized the horrible depths they reached. I probably didn't want to let myself discover these things when I was younger (for example, even the silly reality TV version like Sister Wives was difficult for me to watch).

@nickywal Жыл бұрын

Yay Amanda, her channel threw me down the whole rabbit hole of cults. Watching her grow and change has been great

@cicilg Жыл бұрын

I am in aw over how intellectual this woman is and how intuitive she is. Such an inspection to people just thinking outside of what they are taught. It is so very hard to put yourself out of everything you have ever known.

@bianca_boop Жыл бұрын

Such a great interview! For the commenter who asked about how to identify and help people in cults, where I live there are signs in most restrooms with information on resources + hotline numbers for people in abusive/trafficking situations. That way anyone who needs help can use the info when they're ready to leave, without feeling like they're being confronted by a stranger (and possibly with the interaction being reported back to their abuser).

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

Thanks, Meli! That’s a great idea!!

@maroonblue7064 Жыл бұрын

"interaction being reported back to their abuser".. You mean the KZfaq comments section. I've reported some fake profiles conversing on false narratives with several videos from people who have never been LDS but make up rumors. The Mormons Forgotten Disabled and the two Zelph videos.

@sidstovell2177 9 ай бұрын

How good!!

@GoldenMom815 Жыл бұрын

Yayyyyy!!! I can’t wait to listen to this. I was one of the requesters! I even saw my name in the intro 🤣💗

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

Haha yessss love it

@amberrhodesofficial Жыл бұрын

This was such a great episode. Thank you both!!! Also you guys have SUCH good chemistry!!! Would love to see you guys do something even once a quarter on different topics or to continue raising awareness for holding out help

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

Thank you!! I would l love to continue to have her on 😁

@megonatoreliminator7445 Жыл бұрын

Yall ladies got your emotions in order tbh! I appreciate you educating us and keeping yourself in tact!

@laurengarcia1023 Жыл бұрын

I was so excited to see this. I love Amanda. I appreciate her honestly so much. She's so knowledgeable, kind, and I love her quirky, sometimes dark humor. Her channel is great. I highly recommend her video on weird foods order members eat. This episode made me so happy.

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

Yes! I watched that one. So funny 😂

@atherisGAY Жыл бұрын

I am so, so sorry what you had to go through. These incestual relationships made me shiver multiple times. I am happy you're out and talking about it. ❤ stay safe

@sidstovell2177 9 ай бұрын

Surely, there are some damaged children. When I married in the Episcopalian church, we had to sign a paper to swear that we weren't first cousins.

@BeachLover1965 Жыл бұрын

I've been waiting for this!! I've been following Amanda’s channel for months - it's wonderful to hear her share her story on someone else’s show. Amanda, you're amazing!!! ❤️

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

I totally agree!

@tigerkitten8352 Жыл бұрын

Excited for Part 2. This is fascinating and terrifying stuff. She is so strong.

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

Wooo! Coming Saturday 😁

@rickipacaci1338 Жыл бұрын

Terrible growing up in disfunction and then leaving to see reality of the disfunction. It must have been extremely difficult. I am appalled that this exists. Simply unbelievable. You are helping others as well as yourself 🙏🏻

@racheld7528 Жыл бұрын

I requested this!! I’ve requested to watch Amanda on a few different peoples channels! Love her! So much knowledge and so amazing at helping others! So excited to see her here! ❤ 5:35

@tiffanyhasleftthebuilding9070 Жыл бұрын

I loved this!! I loved Amanda’s show, “Escaping Poligamy”, and I love all that y’all are doing to help those who are trapped in these cults!

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@jojowynne233 Жыл бұрын

I’m playing catch up on your videos and I find this lovely ray of sunshine Amanda ☀️ I’m going straight to part 2 to hear more of her courageous journey ❤️

@tinselbmerryweather Жыл бұрын

OMGOSH!!! I watched as many Escaping Polygamy as I could. This is my favorite interview

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

Wooo! 🥳

@geekygardener1730 Жыл бұрын

Omg, having to write an inventory including your own bed is insane! These little details are mind blowing🤯

@michellem4692 Жыл бұрын

My mother isn't allowed to have a relationship with me due to her craazy abusive husband...its only a tiny sliver of what you explained but it hurts so nad. Amanda and everyone who has left are amazingly strong!!!💜💜

@gaiagreen2690 Жыл бұрын

Five minutes into the interview and I literally have no idea who is whose sister, father, uncle, half brother etc any more.

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

Same 🥲🫠

@empyrea_2546 Жыл бұрын

I was also confused... that's a family wheel

@justin6354 3 ай бұрын

I was so confused too, lol

@mambisa2690 Жыл бұрын

I was JUST binge watching Amanda’s channel, what a great collaboration.❤

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

Amazing! Enjoy!😁

@jaynap8046 Жыл бұрын

Omg TREMONTON.. Shelise 😂❤ I'm from there!!! I'm sure we didn't cross paths because I'm Hella old.... But.. maybe it's time for my story as a believing Mormon for 63 years.... But now I'm out!!!!! Divorced, and have a boyfriend and happily drinking coffee and wine, life is amazing. It might be time for an older white post morm woman... L0L let's talk. 🎉🎉🎉😂😂😂❤❤❤ Love your channel

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

😂 are you really? You may know my mom. She’s your age. You can reach out on IG @cultstoconsciousness

@mrs.b4604 8 ай бұрын

This is quickly becoming my new fav KZfaq channel.

@CultstoConsciousness 8 ай бұрын

Happy to hear that! 😁🙌

@justin6354 3 ай бұрын

I found this channel 3 days ago and can't stop watching. She is doing such a good job exposing all these cults. This is a very important channel and she is helping so many people and I love it .

@LumpyspaceLegend Жыл бұрын

Been waiting for this!!!🎉

@laurenshanahan6652 Жыл бұрын

I love listening to Amanda because of her honesty … she’s come a long way

@RuthMcL1979 Жыл бұрын

Woohoo!!! It’s Amanda!!! Btw, my 26yr old daughter is also Amanda, named after my childhood best friend, two of the most amazing people in the world!! xx

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

Love it❤

@kathleennelson6692 10 ай бұрын

The level of control, implied or otherwise in the "regular" LDS church is over the top. I am so sorry for your experience and relieved for you that you figured it out. I was an all in adult covert, age 25 to 65.then ...extracted myself. What a relief. I wish you the best.

@cyndeetaylor Жыл бұрын

I SO enjoyed this interview. Both of you deal with the nitty-gritty in such a classy and intelligent way. Cracked me up when you said "ornery" was a Utah word - I grew up in Texas with family trees in Oklahoma and Louisiana. Very common usage in the South! This made me thankful that I grew up with a Baptist preacher dad who was very knowledgeable about cults but never used that word, just taught me a few things, beginning with Catholicism. By the time I was a teenager, I kinda felt sorry for the JWs or LDS that showed up at our door - like, are you sure you wanna come in? - not because he would ever berate them but would try his best to show them scriptural truth. I never once heard him put anyone down or say a bad word like we were superior. With him, race, gender, age, religion, money didn't matter.

@karenbanford863 Жыл бұрын

So pleased to see Amanda, hope she and all her friends are well

@kaitlynpowell8100 Жыл бұрын

This is my new favorite episode!!! Thank you and Amanda for spreading the word and helping as many people as you both can. Two amazing and beautiful people making the world a better place ❤️

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

Aww thank you so much! ❤️

@lizzie1592 Жыл бұрын

I've been waiting for this! I'm so excited!

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

🥳

@alexandriawells9658 Жыл бұрын

So excited to have my question answered! And thank you so much for pronouncing my name correctly 😊

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

Wooo! So glad I did 😁 thanks for engaging!

@jaynekendall3049 Жыл бұрын

I wanted to see Amanda on here ❤🎉 i loved this interview, i can't wait for part 2

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

Wooo! Coming on Saturday!

@jaynekendall3049 Жыл бұрын

@@CultstoConsciousness I love Amanda I have watched all her videos and subscribe to her patreon and I have been listening and watching your videos for ages so love the both together 🥰

@laurag502 Жыл бұрын

both of you ladies are so intelligent, eloquent, classy; all of the lovely things. thank you so much for sharing your stories with us.

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much!🥰

@shaunah-eq5nk Жыл бұрын

Never been on this channel before but really lovely watching you guys be so open in your experiences and to see how you're thriving! Congratulations x

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much! Welcome to C2C! 😁❤️

@Enoch840 8 ай бұрын

I feel so validated listening to Amanda’s story along with each person’s story. Stay strong Amanda and keep telling your story! 💪🏽🙏❤️

@casperswift Жыл бұрын

Im a new watcher and you both seem like extremely strong women. Im glad you escaped your situations.What you are doing is amazingly valuable. Keep up the good work.😊

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much!! Welcome to C2C!

@melissasecondo4288 9 ай бұрын

The more I listen to these the more I realize I grew up in like a "familial cult" idk if that's a thing but all these experiences really remind me of my childhood 🤔

@oscarmasias5896 7 ай бұрын

Great Job on this interview ladies! Had to subscribe 🙏♥️

@LadyGigglesnort Жыл бұрын

awesome interview!

@anntares172 7 ай бұрын

My friend, raised strict 7th Day Adventist (also a cult!), was always "encouraged" by his mom to keep going to church when he became an adult. He didn't but he told her once that he was going to Mormon services and she was appalled.😂

@alirussell4595 Жыл бұрын

I didn't request it oh here but I requested on mormon stories that amanda and ezkel be interviewed, ezkel is active in the main steam lds church. I'm really excited for this interview.

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

Oh he is?! Very interesting! We will reach out to him

@Mrs.Dreadfulbliss Жыл бұрын

Amanda is an awesome humanbeing ❤ I have been watching her channel for a long time now and found your channel a few months ago and been enjoying your content as well. Cannot wait to see the interview with both of you!

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

Amazing! Yes, she’s awesome

@marionmoulton5847 Жыл бұрын

Can’t wait for interview # 2

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

Coming soon!😁

@fairwindsemptyroads Жыл бұрын

Love Amanda's channel so I'm so happy to see her on this channel too!

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

Same same! 😁

@TheNurseWhoLovedMe89 Жыл бұрын

That was the fastest hour, it just zipped on by! I could listen to you guys talking for hours and hours! 💞😇 I know I’ve suggested it before, but are there any updates on maybe interviewing Sam and Melissa from @GrowingUpInPolygamy? 🤗

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

Coming tomorrow! 😁

@TheNurseWhoLovedMe89 Жыл бұрын

@@CultstoConsciousness Omg! I can’t wait!! 🤩😍

@rubeusswagrid6039 Жыл бұрын

Been waiting for this one!

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

😁🥳

@tylerboyce6502 Жыл бұрын

I'm so looking forward to the next interview. I really admire both of you. You're doing the right thing by exposing polygamy and cults.

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Hoping to drop this Saturday!

@YvonaLive4Love Жыл бұрын

I am huge fan of “ escaping Polygamy “ show so excited about this interview ❤❤❤

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

Wooo!🥳

@tatorh65 Жыл бұрын

I adore Amanda. I've watch every one of her videos. And also subbed to her brother. 😊❤

@zippymacadoo6336 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for always spreading the messages of help, change, and hope 🎉

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

😁🙏

@zeldarobinson3382 5 ай бұрын

God Bless you young ladies for getting the truth out about these cults and the destruction they are doing to so many children.

@cassiefriedman1446 Жыл бұрын

Being a Christian ✝️ woman it just makes me so mad when people use God for the wrong reasons or make up things like cults do and I hope you are having a blessed life Amanda 🙏

@Minimojojoy Жыл бұрын

Many view Christianity as a cult! And personally, it’s the same type of population control and propaganda! And Mormonism is a religion just as Christianity is, their beliefs just slightly differ. But the end goals are exactly the same.

@lilyyoung1002 8 ай бұрын

Agreed

@katiempojer Жыл бұрын

I remember watching her on Escaping Polygamy that was such a great show!

@deisyrosales9845 8 ай бұрын

The fact that she’s almost in tears most of the video. You can hear the pain and heartbreak in her voice! Awww my heart goes to her and everyone who has gone through this form of manipulation and has loved a life of lies!

@sandrasan1313 Жыл бұрын

Love Amanda! So happy to see her on your channel.

@SatansRoerhat Жыл бұрын

Thank you Amanda, for talking about in🌼est and sex without beating around the bush. I can tell people about my r🌼pe and get pushback or support, but NO ONE wants to hear about in🌼est (and csa). The silence is deafening. Thank you both, for standing in the discomfort of verbalizing the reality of it 💖💖 *Sorry for the flowers, I just don't want to get this amazing video suppressed by YT 🌼

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

Hi Sara! I appreciate your consideration and also your comment. I agree it’s too uncomfortable for most to talk about. But things won’t change until everyone gets REAAAAL uncomfy

@mads597 Жыл бұрын

Idk how to describe the sense of empowered communion this discussion offers. Thank you ❤

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

I love that! Thank you 😁❤️

@beauchampar Жыл бұрын

So happy you had Amanda Rae on! She's amazing!

@mekhiahillgren6038 11 ай бұрын

Amanda I definitely heard an accent when you started speaking! I don't think it's a Utah accent but what do I know. Thank you so much for sharing you are so fun to listen to!!!

@hopejohnson6347 Жыл бұрын

I'm not in a polygamous relationship right now, but I'm atheist and was in an independent polygamous relationship before the difference being: I (f) was openly bisexual and the driving force. All three of us started out as friends first and grew closer in a triangle and had a sit-down and decided together to be in a relationship with both other parties simultaneously... but yeah - I guess that's not very common.

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

That’s very mature of all of you. And I fully respect people who are in consenting (not coerced) relationships with other adults 😁

@lydiaj7492 8 ай бұрын

Eh, it's actually pretty common

@deannapowell7237 Жыл бұрын

I love Amanda!! She is amazing. ❤

@SatansRoerhat Жыл бұрын

Another amazing interview ❤❤❤

@prrtygrrl1 Жыл бұрын

Ibapah! I can’t believe there’s order members there!! My little brother was from the Goshute Tribe. That’s their town. It’s so tiny-tiny. Crazy! I’m shocked. On the other hand, I’ve been waiting for you to interview Amanda Rae!

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

😬❤️❤️❤️

@devadii24 Жыл бұрын

The part where she is able to identify ‘one of her own’ in Vegas or at the gym is interesting 🧐 When you are in something so removed from regular society, it’s us vs them. Great guest, she seems like such a cool person ❤

@CultstoConsciousness Жыл бұрын

Yeah! Wild. Amanda is so awesome