These Molecules Reversed Aging by... YEARS! [TRIIM Study Explained - Study 216]

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11 ай бұрын

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@ivanverdian1
@ivanverdian1 10 ай бұрын
The aging reversal cocktail is: 1. 0.015 mg of HGH 2. 50 mg of DHEA 3. 500 mg of Metformin 4. 3000 iu of Vit D 5. 50 mg of Zinc
@Benny-dv7xm
@Benny-dv7xm 9 ай бұрын
Thanks get past the ad sense you tube requirements to see if there is anything new to fact check and there ISN'T!
@leebid1626
@leebid1626 9 ай бұрын
Cheers man. This really should be in the description but hey ho 👍
@Batmicheal
@Batmicheal 9 ай бұрын
I have the metformin, D3 and Zinc. What’s DHEA and what safe source of HGH?
@Zhdhcjen
@Zhdhcjen 9 ай бұрын
@@BatmichealDHEA is Dihyedeoandrosterone, which is a hormone. You cam just buy it as an OTC supplement. HGH is Growth Hormone, so you’ll need to get it at a hormone clinic.
@asqs9071
@asqs9071 9 ай бұрын
@Physionic
@Physionic 11 ай бұрын
Notes: 1. [Amendment] I should have mentioned this (a mistake on my part), but the study was not a double blind, randomized controlled trial. It was an intervention trial, however it did not have a control group. I still believe the results of the study, but that belief is not grounded on any foundation of evidence beside the fact that other studies have shown effects of these molecules in other trials. So, up to you if you believe the results to be non-placebo driven. My apologies for not adding it - it completely failed me, and it’s important information. 2. People have been confused on the metformin part - the idea in this study isn’t to use metformin for its life extension properties, but to maintain insulin sensitivity. I’ll look at metformin independently (and berberine) in the future. 3. DHEA was added to control insulin release. So, both metformin and DHEA were added to mitigate potential negative effects of HGH alone.
@sarrazin5
@sarrazin5 11 ай бұрын
Berberine please!
@tomg5405
@tomg5405 11 ай бұрын
But why are the numbers going up again after 9-12 months?
@tomg5405
@tomg5405 11 ай бұрын
But how to get metformin and the growth hormone? 😅
@capnkirk5528
@capnkirk5528 11 ай бұрын
@@tomg5405 Yeah THIS ... BUT if it's INSULIN SENSITIVITY a carefully managed keto diet can help using HOMA-IR if you have a cooperative doctor (I DON'T 🤬). HGH may be possible to be stimulated by resistance (weight) training. DHEA is banned in Canada which I find INCREDIBLY interesting as Canada doesn't ban a number of things that SHOULD be, why is THIS banned?
@JazenValencia
@JazenValencia 11 ай бұрын
@@tomg5405 You can mimick GH and Metformin with GH mimiicking peptides, CJC-1295 and Ipamorelin used together as a replacementfor pure HGH, Di-hydro Berberine replaces Metformin, and Ironmag Labs has a great topical DHEA that's very powerful. This protocol IMHO is a great replacement for the prescription stuff you can't get.
@mcy1122
@mcy1122 11 ай бұрын
A great example of how superb Nicolas is when translating rather complex science to engaging and useful content. Thank you!
@ivarhakuse8572
@ivarhakuse8572 11 ай бұрын
12:38 1. HGH 2. DHEA 3. METFORMIN 4. Vit D 5. Zinc
@MrGriff305
@MrGriff305 10 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@jonnitrea
@jonnitrea 10 ай бұрын
Thank you
@joebartles3986
@joebartles3986 9 ай бұрын
You spoiled the video for me.
@MrGriff305
@MrGriff305 9 ай бұрын
@@joebartles3986 Don't read the comments first 🤦‍♂️
@joebartles3986
@joebartles3986 9 ай бұрын
@@MrGriff305 I have to. It’s a disease. Don’t be hating on me.
@druvaciam5407
@druvaciam5407 11 ай бұрын
Would be great to see separate videos describing how all these 5 components are working inside our bodies.
@barbararitam7355
@barbararitam7355 11 ай бұрын
1:57 1:59
@suj1201
@suj1201 11 ай бұрын
Congrats on 100K, Nicolas! Proud of ya, man. That’s awesome and very well-deserved! 👏👏🥳🎉
@Maxumized
@Maxumized 11 ай бұрын
I am in a study. I’ve been in it for over 40 years now. It involves exercising 3-4 days a week, conscious healthy diet, low alcohol intake, no smoking, have a career working inside, maintain healthy body weight throughout life, partake in hobbies that make you feel good, avoid drama. I’m almost 60 and I weight same as high school…the clothes still fit me. I have a few friends who say I sleep in a freezer. The muscle mass I’ve gained above baseline since a teen makes all the difference I think. I keep my muscles (every body part) working and in turn they demand fuel. This fuel is of course is the little body fat I have and other toxins that build up in the body. The turnover of fat in the body and increased blood perfusion to the entire body keeps the aging process at bay. I’m convinced of my personal “study.”
@frankblakley8249
@frankblakley8249 10 ай бұрын
Anecdotal evidence isn't a study. Your delusional.
@Maxumized
@Maxumized 10 ай бұрын
@@frankblakley8249 …and you’re the drama that ages people when you can’t take a joke…Franky boy
@frankblakley8249
@frankblakley8249 10 ай бұрын
@@Maxumized I'm not aging you fast enough if your still alive.
@Maxumized
@Maxumized 10 ай бұрын
@@frankblakley8249 you’re exactly right. You’re like my daily constitutionals. I flush and forget…Franky Boy
@JeffMcDuffie72MeridianGate
@JeffMcDuffie72MeridianGate 10 ай бұрын
Bs. Lots of people have followed what you said and get cancer. Get realistic.
@stasstarcha
@stasstarcha 11 ай бұрын
Just a week ago youtube suggested Greg Fahy and his trim-x study and now it's all here with details we love physionics for. Amazing!
@homesignup
@homesignup 11 ай бұрын
Fantastic study!! I will have to share this with my friend who is interested in reversing thymic aging. Thanks for the study. 😃 To boost HGH naturally, all you need to do is lose body fat, decrease insulin levels (which is why they likely used metformin), increase arginine, lysine (unless you have cancer or pre-CA lesions), get enough sleep, HIIT exercise (anaerobic exercise that stimulates HGH by up to 450% during the 24 hours after you finish your intense fast workout.), resistance exercises in a load-dependent manner (aerobic exercise), and do more intermittent fasting (those who do 24-48h can increase HGH 3 to 5-fold. But do at least 12hrs if you want to see a bit of a raise, 18-20h is optimal for those who like doing it daily). DHEA is useful in old age due to lower levels. My friend takes pregnenolone instead which is the master precursor hormone of all your hormones. I am not taking of these yet till I get older. Right now don't need it. Berberine may be used in place of metformin because it will decrease both insulin levels + triglycerides + lipid levels in a safer natural way, besides activating AMPK. D and Zn are a no brainer. Thanks again for this cool video!! :D
@jpgrygus
@jpgrygus 11 ай бұрын
12mg of melatonin before bed also helps.
@amperage8032
@amperage8032 11 ай бұрын
Excellent comment!! How closed do you think these natural ways will get you vs if you had supplemented? Supplementation doesn’t even seem like an option. Wonder how they equate to each other in how much they impact HGH, which ones work best?
@dewdew34
@dewdew34 11 ай бұрын
I’d never wake up … stuff is like a 24 hour interrogation for me lol
@PrestonTalbott
@PrestonTalbott 10 ай бұрын
​@@jpgrygusThat's way too much melatonin.. you saturate receptors at like 3mg.
@jpgrygus
@jpgrygus 10 ай бұрын
@@PrestonTalbott i think youre right.
@jaykent1836
@jaykent1836 2 ай бұрын
GH-->IGF1-->'new' skeletal muscle and bone growth (reflected to a degree by increased serum ALP level); there's your 'connection'...you're welcome!
@Jeffreymart
@Jeffreymart 2 ай бұрын
hgh bennefit?
@jaykent1836
@jaykent1836 2 ай бұрын
@@Jeffreymart Yes...but, the highest quartile of IGF1 levels are associated with 'better' healthevity (somewhat elevated cancer risk though); but, the lowest quartile IGF1 levels are associated with the 'best' longevity...sooo...???
@Jeffreymart
@Jeffreymart 2 ай бұрын
@@jaykent1836 quality over quantity every time
@keng7758
@keng7758 11 ай бұрын
Your analysis of these studies is soooo helpful and appreciated! Your well researched work is incredibly well done. On the study molecules…I was on Metformin by request as I’m close to being pre diabetic, but have changed to Berberine to minimize the impact that Metformin has on VO2 max (workout) reductions and the effect it has on reducing testosterone. Berberine has helped reduce my A1c and lipid readings. As a 68 yr old male, I really want to keep my workouts to be as effective as possible and no male wants testosterone reduced by medication.
@rookandpawn
@rookandpawn 10 ай бұрын
I'm a new subscriber and I love your simple but informed communication. Thanks for covering these stories on health and wellness with detail. ❤
@BakamonNO
@BakamonNO 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for the video Physionic! I learn so much from your channel
@requetevision
@requetevision 9 ай бұрын
I think the key molecules are Vitamin D3 (should be taken together with Vitamin K2) and Zinc (3 types). The zinc is a well known Thymus gland enhancer
@xemtuvi-nhiettinh-az
@xemtuvi-nhiettinh-az Ай бұрын
A great conclusion how did you come up to this find out?
@austinzelenka2450
@austinzelenka2450 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for covering this!!! eagerly interested to see your next video on it.
@tomb8430
@tomb8430 11 ай бұрын
As a 58 year old, now understanding more about keto/carnivore, and the benefits it has given me in the last 6 months, I would love to be involved in trials. Experimenting on myself and doing analysis has been a really good and positive experience.
@spaceface2918
@spaceface2918 11 ай бұрын
Have you learned about how ketoacidosis is you polluting your blood with ketones, which are cellular waste, and turning it acidic which is an environment that cancer grows best due to messenger proteins, that tumors send out to get more blood from their environment, don't function in alkaline/ basic pH? You are poisoning yourself for temporary muscle growth. Muscle mass is not an indicator of organ health.
@MsTatli
@MsTatli 10 ай бұрын
I deffinately need that coctail....
@IjzermanPieter
@IjzermanPieter 4 ай бұрын
Funny, 57 here and changed to same diet, no more alcohol and sports routine that totally changed my life. So the additional supplements would be interesting indeed. I am looking into it. This particular study needs to be redone with larger population and blinded etc..
@StKrane
@StKrane 11 ай бұрын
Nice one! The protocol seems realistically feasible. Excited for the data of phase 2!
@adamscottv
@adamscottv 8 ай бұрын
Except HGH ...
@lymphomasurvive
@lymphomasurvive 4 ай бұрын
There are ways to naturally increase it. ​@@adamscottv
@errebusaether
@errebusaether 11 ай бұрын
Interesting. For me, this information is really important because I am aiming to find a way to stop or prolong aging. Thanks a lot for this video, it’s easy to understand and you didn’t skip any major details while focusing on the main point of the topic.
@Libertas_P77
@Libertas_P77 11 ай бұрын
Extended fasting over 48hrs dramatically increases HGH, and I have been taking 25mg DHEA for 5yrs now (I’m in my mid-40’s), along with Berberine in place of Metformin. Great results from my own side, this study merely reinforced my stack and protocol was potentially on the right track to have a positive impact on aging. I recall when this came out at the time, and was surprised to see DHEA in the trial, but it nonetheless left some quite interesting epigenetic results - I just take all of those clocks with a huge pinch of salt.
@RoyBruce007
@RoyBruce007 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing. DHEA √
@waltermagee2305
@waltermagee2305 11 ай бұрын
DHEA+HGH+Metformin, in addition to other components mentioned in this video have yielded signifigant results increasing athletic performance within three months. Nascent iodine supplementation is another important consideration as well as vitamin E. Staggering supplementation times should be considered in order to avoid antagonistic influence that could diminish absorbtion and temporary metabolic enzyme depletion.
@Libertas_P77
@Libertas_P77 11 ай бұрын
@@waltermagee2305 I’m 48hrs into my monthly fast and HGH levels are currently 5x normal. I up my DHEA to 50mg for the next two days with berberine, to further mimic the conditions of this trial and in theory maximise the longevity benefits of the fasted state.
@Helene_experience
@Helene_experience 10 ай бұрын
@libertas_p77 are you a man or a woman ?
@Libertas_P77
@Libertas_P77 10 ай бұрын
@@Helene_experience Man
@matrixfull
@matrixfull 11 ай бұрын
what you do is so precious. I could not reach this knowledge without you translating it for me. My brain can't handle complicated stuff. You make transform information into bearable to understand.
@gaston.
@gaston. 11 ай бұрын
I was hoping the stack was a triple decker peanut butter and banana sandwich.
@MrRockrobstr
@MrRockrobstr 11 ай бұрын
Fascinating! In my mid to late 20’s I was a participant in the human growth hormone study and have since taken three of the other four compounds (excluding metformin) used in this cocktail at various times.
@franciscochacon5542
@franciscochacon5542 10 ай бұрын
That's amazing! Do you feel that it has kept you young? And what clinic or Doctor prescribes HGH? I'm looking to start taking it along with DHEA, Berberine (in place of Metformin), Zinc, and Vitamin D.
@MJ-ge6jz
@MJ-ge6jz 11 ай бұрын
Your dry humor is spot on!
@Santa-ny1yp
@Santa-ny1yp 11 ай бұрын
If you want budget fixes, they are as follows. 1 red light therapy for hgh. 2 apeginen for cd38 reduction. 3 Berberine instead of metfomin. You could always sun blast yourself for vitamin d. Happy living!
@incognitotorpedo42
@incognitotorpedo42 11 ай бұрын
Don't sunblast yourself to save a few pennies. Vitamin D is cheap. We know sun ages/damages the skin. You'll never get rid of those wrinkles.
@jons2447
@jons2447 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for this! I just bought a Mito red light & already take berberine daily w/ zinc (pyroluria) & vit. D (& others).
@Kevin_Street
@Kevin_Street 11 ай бұрын
Hello! KZfaq recommended this video to me, and I'm glad it did. You do a superb job of explaining the results of the study. Definitely coming back to this channel.
@Physionic
@Physionic 11 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@ryuuguu01
@ryuuguu01 11 ай бұрын
same thing for me. just subscribed.
@helmutwilhelm8918
@helmutwilhelm8918 11 ай бұрын
Ditto
@studygodsword5937
@studygodsword5937 8 ай бұрын
@@Physionic You need to go into hiding from the Democrats and big pharma, you mentioned zinc on social media
@verunchik1065
@verunchik1065 6 ай бұрын
Thank you very much! I really appreciate your work, Nicolas!
@AnilSingh-rn3kx
@AnilSingh-rn3kx 11 ай бұрын
Great info thank you Nick.
@jimstormcrow
@jimstormcrow 11 ай бұрын
Bloody fascinating!
@ThiagoBenazziMaia
@ThiagoBenazziMaia 11 ай бұрын
So, that's what I found out so far and why you probably see this "coincidently result". - Epigenetic clocks are sometimes based on "whole blood". - Many times are using something like a "Random forest regression". - The problem of whole blood is that you take a mix of cells, including B and T cells, and make an average of the epigenetics. - Now let's take for example the methylation of cg02162324. - in a sample I have here, the methylation of B cell for this CpG is 0.25 where the methylation of T cell for the same CpG is 0.61 in the same sample from the same patient. - As we age, the proportion of T and B cells change, and probably that's what's happen on this research when they start to play with the immune system. - So when you apply an aging clock like horvath clock trained on whole blood, you are possibly (at least is the conclusion I'm arriving on my study), not calculating the age, you are calculating the proportion of B and T cells and therefore estimating the age. - So although multi tissue ageing clock are great for a lot of things, I believe that for epigenetic ageing must be calculated using single cell methylation.
@herculeholmes504
@herculeholmes504 11 ай бұрын
Thankyou! This sounds like a very good explanation to me.
@kenswanston820
@kenswanston820 10 ай бұрын
Does the ratio remain consistent for both types of cells, or have you determined that one is a better representative of age change/reversal? These detailed blood tests are not normally done in Canada (USA too?) and in Canada a doctor appears to be the only way to even get a 'normal' blood test. How can this information be acquired by a regular citizen not in a study?
@ThiagoBenazziMaia
@ThiagoBenazziMaia 10 ай бұрын
​@@kenswanston820 I still need more data to find something more conclusive. I can see so far that the different population of blood type is enough to change in around 8-14% the prediction of the age. On the other side I couldn't use only the blood population to predict the age of the patient. So, is like, helps to predict the age, but doesn't help enough to be used alone to predict the age. (how much of 8-14% influence the result) NK 100.000% T 76.560% B 65.663% CD4T 60.902% CD8T 28.086% So, this little change in age in the paper could be related to this variation. In many countries a standard blood test can be done directly in the lab, without the need of a doctor for very cheap price, you just need to tell what type of blood test you want to be done.
@stevefoxrox
@stevefoxrox 4 ай бұрын
You can take peptide bio regulators to regrow the thymus, pineal gland etc
@Disasterina
@Disasterina 11 ай бұрын
You are such a tease! Never change tho! Thanks for the info, luv your channel.
@IanRushtonMusic
@IanRushtonMusic 11 ай бұрын
What I find interesting about the stack used is that it didn't appear to include any of the popular and more widely promoted anti-aging supplements like NMN, GlyNAC etc and also the likes of omega3, collagen etc.
@IanRushtonMusic
@IanRushtonMusic 11 ай бұрын
@@WhyteHorse2023 While true, I was also thinking of things that decline with age: NAD+, glutathione etc. and popular supplements that have been shown to be of some benefit e.g. NMN, GlyNAC etc.
@LenHealsU
@LenHealsU 11 ай бұрын
I just love your videos! So professionally done in every manner way shape and form! I, myself, try to retard the aging process by eating a (mostly whole organic) plant based diet, with lots of antioxidants, with just 1 organic pasture raised egg daily. I do also take organic nutritional supplements. At 75, I still mountain bike, hike, swim, etc. Most people thing I'm around 59 or 60.
@jons2447
@jons2447 11 ай бұрын
Plant based diets may not be as "healthy" as claimed considering how carnivore has solved some health issues.
@LenHealsU
@LenHealsU 11 ай бұрын
@@jons2447 It works for me and all my allergies disappeared, etc., etc. . But you are right that it may not work for some people.
@user-wq3hh6eb7e
@user-wq3hh6eb7e 11 ай бұрын
The longest living people on earth eat in a very similar way (mostly plant foods, add in fish). Carnivore diet doesn't convince me as populations which eat the highest amount of animal protein and fat have some of the lowest lifespans (even when looking at populations which do not eat excess processed foods).
@ki4npx
@ki4npx 10 ай бұрын
I started and read Sinclair book,love the concepts, I use some of the Ideas , first year , my blood work was , perfect , my cardiologist, was blown away ...I was 70, now 75 my strength, is real good , I ride bike 25 miles a week , and weight lift , I take NMN , nac, tmg,,,,, some others too...
@orion9k
@orion9k 11 ай бұрын
Very interesting 👏 Thanks for sharing your research journey 🙏
@ConradJupiter77
@ConradJupiter77 11 ай бұрын
My secret to reverse aging. I drink from the cup of the Holy Grail. I chose wisely.
@jmc8076
@jmc8076 11 ай бұрын
Brilliant. Smart man. 😉
@Unsensitive
@Unsensitive 11 ай бұрын
Searching for the holy Grail alone would keep your mind active, and require exercise. You're n=1 is clearly biased. Please invent a time machine and clone yourself then have them live the exact same lifestyle, but doesn't care about the holy grail to correct for this. It's the only way we can know for sure.
@joeont
@joeont 11 ай бұрын
@@Unsensitivefor sure, did you see how jacked and ripped indiana Jones is in the latest movie?
@Unsensitive
@Unsensitive 11 ай бұрын
@@joeont and he only searched for 2-3 hours while I watched the movie over 30 years ago! Those are some lasting gains there! Imagine an entire life searching... Then again.. he did drink from it so this might bias the study using him as a reference.
@Physionic
@Physionic 11 ай бұрын
It’s not the shiny one, Indiana… :)
@starxcrossed
@starxcrossed 11 ай бұрын
Love your videos (and humor)
@Physionic
@Physionic 11 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@johnolaoluwa
@johnolaoluwa 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for this wonderful piece, Nic.
@Physionic
@Physionic 11 ай бұрын
Thank *you*!
@adriapeet3943
@adriapeet3943 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for this type of info!!
@joeont
@joeont 11 ай бұрын
I keep looking at that spider on the wall
@jons2447
@jons2447 11 ай бұрын
Hey, I saw something on the wall, too, but I didn't know it was a spider.
@turenam2772
@turenam2772 5 ай бұрын
I can’t not see it now
@spark967
@spark967 27 күн бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@pierrejeanes
@pierrejeanes 5 күн бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@Dan-dg9pi
@Dan-dg9pi 11 ай бұрын
Very intriguing topic. Like some other commenters, I was surprised at the zinc dosing. It also raises questions about whether the mixture of molecules should change over time and based on other medical conditions.
@statementmark2131
@statementmark2131 11 ай бұрын
I've read before about high doses of zinc causing poor absorption of iron
@alrivers2297
@alrivers2297 11 ай бұрын
​@@statementmark2131I'm not sure about iron, but too much zinc causes poor absorption of copper.
@karlhanso
@karlhanso 10 ай бұрын
Zinc is bullshit you only need 11 miligram per day magnesium dialy requirement is 410mg per day 37 times more that zinc
@Dan-dg9pi
@Dan-dg9pi 10 ай бұрын
@@karlhanso Using this "logic", would you say that magnesium is bullshit relative to protein because we all need a lot more than 410mg of protein a day? Alternatively, is it just possible that we need all minerals within certain ranges and my question had to do with whether the mention of zinc (not a bullshit mineral) in the video was out of this ideal range?
@karlhanso
@karlhanso 10 ай бұрын
@@Dan-dg9pi try to live without magnesium if you can. when heart relaxes uses magnesium-potasium and when it contrancs uses calcium. How they treat torsades despointes with magnesium sulfate. and torsades despointes can lead to suddent dead. I mean you dont need a lot of zinc to function correctly meanwhile magnesium is need to function correcly..
@TiddlesTheBearBaiter
@TiddlesTheBearBaiter 11 ай бұрын
Really great presentation. Thank you.
@reggaespiritdance
@reggaespiritdance 11 ай бұрын
Started Thymus Gland extract a couple months ago and at 41 I noticed a difference in my vitality. But excellent presentation of information, definitely sharing this with my clients who comment on my youthfulness. Most say I look 30 or younger…
@MadHatter11371
@MadHatter11371 8 ай бұрын
Hi what type did you use?
@SAOSIN987
@SAOSIN987 11 ай бұрын
ALP levels can be elevated during periods of rapid growth, such as childhood or adolescence, due to increased bone remodeling so this rejuvenation stack could be improving bones.
@Critterpal
@Critterpal 11 ай бұрын
I came here to say this also!
@Yogiraj1969
@Yogiraj1969 11 ай бұрын
I'm wondering if the increase in ALP was statistically significant given the low power (low sample size)?
@michelezimmerman6430
@michelezimmerman6430 10 ай бұрын
And during pregnancy APL is normally high.
@jayalanlife5926
@jayalanlife5926 11 ай бұрын
Cool job my friend
@diannalaubenberg7532
@diannalaubenberg7532 11 ай бұрын
This was very helpful. Thank you.
@cesarvillalobos5183
@cesarvillalobos5183 8 ай бұрын
Thank you for your objective exposition.
@thierryvidal63
@thierryvidal63 9 ай бұрын
very nice. The fact that the thymus density increased is certainly something. Personally I would love to see a similar study but complemented with Thyroid, gonadal and adrenal hormones. Not just growth hormone, dhea and vit D. All hormones are abruptly down after 50. The production stops, the glands are old. Doesn't matter what you do to stimulate "naturally". Why not supplement everything that is available ? Sterling work Nicolas, as always. Thanks !
@jamesthompson7282
@jamesthompson7282 7 ай бұрын
Well, supplements aren't necessarily benign. Most aren't. In some cases the dose is important: too little provides no therapeutic benefit; too much is toxic. And we're still in early days when it comes to research into long-term side effects & benefits. There's little/no research on conflicts & interactions between supplements, and just the beginnings of research into interactions between them & pharmaceuticals. It's a minefield & most people don't realize just how significant a danger this represents. Worse, there are non-trivial issues with sourcing (synthetic vs natural, environmental toxins &/or unanticipated impurities...) & with production (supplement manufacturing isn't much regulated and is anyhow almost entirely outsourced to China & India, where FDA oversight even of pharmaceutical manufacturing is non-existent & manufacturing standards are, to be polite, highly variable. People assume that the availability of supplements everywhere indicates they're perfectly safe. Not so. They're potentially a powerful aid but also a bit of a minefield.
@michael-bell
@michael-bell 11 ай бұрын
I think the simplest way a person at home can measure if their age is reversing, given that they already have visible signs of aging, is when their gray hair regains its color, when their wrinkles start to disappear, when their skin begins to become more taut, when their thinning hair begins to thicken, and when their receding hairline begins to fill in
@todayipaint4667
@todayipaint4667 11 ай бұрын
..and when they rise from their deathbed.
@Al-vw8qt
@Al-vw8qt 11 ай бұрын
very well said
@michael-bell
@michael-bell 11 ай бұрын
@@Al-vw8qt Thank you 🤝
@errebusaether
@errebusaether 11 ай бұрын
@@todayipaint4667 Indeed. Hahaha. 😅
@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana
@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana 11 ай бұрын
What if those things don't happen, but internal mechanisms get much stronger, decreasing biological age? 🤔
@michaelborza734
@michaelborza734 11 ай бұрын
Worth keeping up with. Thank you.
@rihavran
@rihavran 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for putting in your time and effort into making these great videos. Your work is much appreciated!!! ALKALINE PHOSPHATASE (ALP) plays a pivotal role in the process of bone mineralization. It hydrolyzes inorganic pyrophosphate, a potent inhibitor of mineralization, to produce inorganic phosphate. This inorganic phosphate combines with calcium to form hydroxyapatite crystals, which are the main mineral component of bone. By breaking down inorganic pyrophosphate, ALP facilitates the deposition of calcium and phosphate into the bone matrix. I would love to see if there were any changes in bone density.
@Boiing008
@Boiing008 10 ай бұрын
I think the way you put things across is a gift & really easy to understand. It's a pleasure to listen too :-)
@Physionic
@Physionic 10 ай бұрын
That's incredibly kind of you to say, B. Thank you.
@danaustin5869
@danaustin5869 11 ай бұрын
Increased HGH can come from exercise and/or fasting. DHEA, D, and Zinc can come from easily available supplements. Metformin isn't easy for non-diabetics to get, but Berberine is easily available, has some similar effects, and may work anywhere from less well in this concoction to better than the Metformin. It seems likely that the measured antiaging effects seen in this study are the simple sum total of the effects of the individual substances rather than some 'magical' interaction between them. Anyone else have thoughts on this?
@SkyRiver1
@SkyRiver1 11 ай бұрын
I believe you are correct, and metformin will obviate any physical exercise you do, gains will plummet or become negative especially aerobic performance, and muscle gain.
@ilevitatecs2
@ilevitatecs2 11 ай бұрын
Metformin is extremely easy to get…there are a few online sources that will fill a script within minutes and not having to officially see a physician…and outside of the US it’s even OTC
@andrewrivera4029
@andrewrivera4029 11 ай бұрын
Yea I agree with the exercise and fasting part to increase HGH, the study was done with 50-65 year olds which I am one. I’m trying to stay nattie so will do that before I take a prescription. We also have control over insulin sensitivity by not eating carbs so I try to do these things to stay healthy and all my inflammatory markers are low. Just did a CAC test and advanced lipid cardiac panel and am waiting for the results to compare with the ones I did 5 years ago.
@wiczus6102
@wiczus6102 11 ай бұрын
The ammount of hgh administered is a hundred milion times higher than what you can get from exercise. Even if by mg they meant micrograms, spread it over 7 days and if I would assume that HGH is extremely short lived (high turnover means that the same elevated baseline is equivalent to higher dosage), that would still be way more than what exercise can give you.
@Fullmoonrisingtarot
@Fullmoonrisingtarot 11 ай бұрын
One thought that rose to the top while reading your post, and I have many to ponder right now:) . My understanding is The body produces human growth hormone while you sleep and on an empty stomach . so not eating a few hours before bed gives your body more time to produce it while you sleep . It begins producing it 6 hours after your last meal and only while you sleep and there are Other benefits as well to sleeping on an empty stomach.
@HarrySerpanos
@HarrySerpanos 8 ай бұрын
metformin is raising the ALP, an alternative to metformin would be taurine supplementation.
@melissasanford2051
@melissasanford2051 11 ай бұрын
You are just fantastic! Thank you.
@alisaw4076
@alisaw4076 11 ай бұрын
Interesting review, thanks for sharing. My question is once the reversal is achieved is it locked in or like most things has to be consistently maintained?
@good4ud
@good4ud 11 ай бұрын
Do you think it would be feasible to have a conversation/friendly debate with Dr Anthony Chaffee? he seems to be doing podcasts/interviews everyday but most the people he speaks to arent well versed in the medical literature or already have their mind made on carnivore etc. Would love to see you discuss the topic with him as I really think he is the most eloquent and coherent speaker on this.
@lostinversailles
@lostinversailles 11 ай бұрын
I love how you sustain the suspense 😊
@timothydavis2568
@timothydavis2568 11 ай бұрын
Nice to see the channel taking off, never thought there would be so many nerds on KZfaq. In the end, science will prevail!
@0chuklz0
@0chuklz0 11 ай бұрын
There was another study done in a university somewhere in the NW United States (sorry, I can't remember the one) that was working on an experiment with NMN and NAD. The idea was to check the cell maintenance processes, and they had an amazing response as well that apparently reversed several aging metrics. Are you familiar with this study? This would have been a few years ago.
@sabymondal
@sabymondal 11 ай бұрын
Harvard, Dr Sinclair.
@0chuklz0
@0chuklz0 11 ай бұрын
@@sabymondal Thanks, for some reason I thought it was in the Northwest.
@thebigpicture2032
@thebigpicture2032 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for posting.A few questions - how often was the stack given? Why did they chose that particular combo? I didn’t see a link to the study, were there similar studies that helped them hone in on this combo. I’m thinking the growth hormone alone would have the greates effect.
@lucycooper55
@lucycooper55 4 ай бұрын
I absolutely love every time he says glomerular filtration rate ! ❤ I’m a dialysis nurse so makes me smile to hear that struggle. So hilarious. Love this guy
@wilmerwalton5089
@wilmerwalton5089 11 ай бұрын
You are such a skillful tease. I must be a masochist, because I enjoy it. Science is very interesting, but you turn-on the fun part, without distracting from the information flow.
@davea136
@davea136 11 ай бұрын
I was curious, with what frequency was the cocktail administered? Thank you for the video.
@greggcobb8701
@greggcobb8701 11 ай бұрын
I’m pretty much using this stack now. Good thing I’m a somewhat older man. Losing weight and exercise combined with fasting for the HGH, Berberine in place of Metformin, Vit D, zinc, DHEA all easy to get without RX. You mentioned the rise in Alkaline Phosphatase . For me has always been an elusive marker- could be taking Vit D without K2 could monkey with the calcium blood levels and in turn push AP all over the place. Subclinical - parathyroiditis messed with my calcium & AP for most of my life. PSA is another marker that is easy to push around- Salmon oil - mine is always under 1.0. Good stuff- thanks for the news. 1:16
@kdub7490
@kdub7490 10 ай бұрын
@greggcobb8701 - how is this protocol working out for you so far?
@susymay7831
@susymay7831 11 ай бұрын
Great video!
@shibboleth111
@shibboleth111 11 ай бұрын
I'm a thrilled new subsciber ! This was the channel I've been searching for, thank you for your brilliant work and for sharing it . I am not well, struggling against it and doing that alone, your information will probably save my life. I mean that , with gratitude. Bahia
@Physionic
@Physionic 11 ай бұрын
Wow, Bahia - I'm thrilled to have you aboard. I hope we can find some solutions for you. All the best.
@shibboleth111
@shibboleth111 11 ай бұрын
@@Physionic I am humbled by your response and extraordinary generosity in sharing this with others. I don't have the strength to do this intense level of research, so , I know your analysis and compilation will be just what I need. You've already provided multiple answers , just in two videos. Truly grateful, Sir . Warm regards. 🌸🇨🇦
@TheMaui2020
@TheMaui2020 10 ай бұрын
My grandfather lived to 104, never took a supplement in his life. He was an MD and advised people to eat a wide variety of wholesome foods, but not too much. Sounds a lot like Michael Pollan.
@MorrisLess
@MorrisLess 9 ай бұрын
Cool. Where can I get some of this "wholesome food" stuff? When I go to the store, all I see are chemical concoctions, mineral and vitamin depleted produce laced with pesticides and herbicides, and antibiotic laced meat raised in feedlots.
@TheMaui2020
@TheMaui2020 9 ай бұрын
@@MorrisLess You can actually see pesticides on produce and the amount of minerals and vitamins in them? Amazing! I'm sure the FDA and USDA would love to have your services so they can do these measurements without expensive equipment. When I go into a food market I see carrots, melons, bananas, lettuce and dozens of other wholesome foods. What "chemical concoctions" do you see? You need to get help about your paranoia or you will starve to death.
@OP-lk4tw
@OP-lk4tw 8 ай бұрын
@@TheMaui2020that's not a convincing argument, you have 1 subject, 1, you didn't even specify his health state at that age and previous, maybe he could have lived up to 125 years but he died earlier because of his diet, maybe he could have been healthier at those ages as well, he probably had good genetics, and avoiding processed foods is already a big deal, that doesn't mean he was achieving anything close to an optimal diet
@TheMaui2020
@TheMaui2020 8 ай бұрын
Yes, he could have lived to 200. Sure. @@OP-lk4tw
@pambaughman1579
@pambaughman1579 8 ай бұрын
@@TheMaui2020how do u see it
@zuikis
@zuikis 11 ай бұрын
That's very cool, so when and where can i buy this cocktail 😂?
@robertmercure1740
@robertmercure1740 11 ай бұрын
You are the very best, you made me love science. ❤️🙏🙋🏼‍♂️🇨🇦
@TheIncredibleTurk
@TheIncredibleTurk 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing this interesting and beneficial information to us.
@MrBottlecapBill
@MrBottlecapBill 11 ай бұрын
The most interesting thing about all of this data you show, but that you never comment on is that the positive effects seem to reverse around the 10-12 month mark in every case.
@raffaelecorrente1123
@raffaelecorrente1123 Ай бұрын
the reverse aging process went to baseline after 9 months. But patients held what they got.
@ExtaTer
@ExtaTer 11 ай бұрын
The immune modulation and thymus restoration was probably entirely due to HGH inducing IGF-1. The metformin was added to reduce insulin secretion due to HGH, because DHEA could not do it. The increase of the liver enzyme is most probably due to the high dose of zinc - probably toxic over long term. Epigenetic clocks correlate with aging, but that doesn't mean that reducing methylation translates in actual age reversal - Bryan Johnson has an epigenetic age of 20 years old, yet doesn't look like it.
@ivydune4185
@ivydune4185 6 ай бұрын
Exactly. That's my quest. One thing is to be internally younger, another is to actually be younger. If your skin, muscles and bones are still sagging and shrinking, then you're still aging normally. Healthier, but aging. I can accept living for 80 years, but I can't deal with looking old(er). There's got to be a way to make our tissue, our skin, muscles, bones to regenerate to the stage of 25, the "end" of growth and the start of decaying.
@ExtaTer
@ExtaTer 6 ай бұрын
@@ivydune4185 Contemporary medicine is not there yet, at all. They constantly confuse correlation with causation. Just because aging correlates with epigenetic aging, doesn't mean that reversing the epigenetic aging will rejuvenate you on microbiology level. Apparently aging is not only about epigenetic clocks.
@ivydune4185
@ivydune4185 6 ай бұрын
@@ExtaTer so far, I think the scientists closer to that (and it will take years) is Michael Levin-s team. I wish we got at least some temporary fix until a real cure is found.
@philiptruitt
@philiptruitt 11 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@Kim-vf7rw
@Kim-vf7rw 11 ай бұрын
I am a woman. I take all of this except HGH and I take 25 mg. Of DHEA and 50 mg. Pregnenolone. I take 25 mg. of Zinc.3000 Vitamin D Seems to work! I am 65 and people think I am 55.... thank you for this!
@lindapestridge3073
@lindapestridge3073 10 ай бұрын
@@WhyteHorse2023 could you tell me how you get you HGH checked My dr would say I don't know what you are talking about and could you tell me please What nasty things you get from thymic involution and advice would be appreciated.
@mikewalton7615
@mikewalton7615 11 ай бұрын
Very interesting. I am a fanatic about health. Up until 68 I didn't think much about it. I don't drink or smoke but I did eat mainly fast food. Until 68 I ran 5k and exercised every day.Then arthritis set into my knees, wrists and back. I had to stop running and exercising I gained weight and became a couch potato and KZfaq junket. From KZfaq I learned about Keto the results were so amazing I quickly migrated to Carnivore and for the last 4 years all I eat are animal products. I'm now almost 77 and healthier than when I was at 65. Thank you so much for your information on the age reversal study. Tomorrow I will be ordering HGH, ,Megformin and DHEA. I already take Vitamin D3 and Zink. I am looking forward to 120.😅
@mattsmith1440
@mattsmith1440 11 ай бұрын
Hi Mike, my situation is a bit different to yours, but if yours is osteoarthritis, you might want to look into liposomal fisetin (perhaps with quercetin). This is what I attribute to having fixed my painful joints. I took 1.2 grams one or two times (days) a month, and seem to have rolled back the state of my knees ten years or so.
@christiangrundmann6612
@christiangrundmann6612 10 ай бұрын
​@@mattsmith1440Do you mean 1-2 times 1.2 grams per day for a month?
@mattsmith1440
@mattsmith1440 10 ай бұрын
@@christiangrundmann6612 Hi, sorry that wasn't clear. I take fisetin/quercetin a couple of days per month in total, not every day. The 1.2 grams, a strange number, is a result of the (liposomal) capsules I bought having 500mg fisetin, 100mg quercetin each. So I took two on the first day of the month, which increased to the first couple of days when I saw others taking higher amounts. In my subjective experience, this combo and dose schedule has been incredibly effective in treating my OA.
@peterRobinson10101
@peterRobinson10101 10 ай бұрын
​​@@mattsmith1440i cant guarantee Fisetin is responsible but ive been taking it for 12 months (unfortunately along with a few other sups) and the improvement in health is nothing short of miraculous. flexibility, movement, alertness, recovery. edit: im taking 1000mg a day and swimming.
@mattsmith1440
@mattsmith1440 10 ай бұрын
@@MajesticArtimus You might want to look into Ceylon cinnamon, and/or Berberine. I'm taking the cinnamon myself because I haven't had time to fully investigate the other option. Both have been compared to Metformin.
@towerace1238
@towerace1238 Ай бұрын
glad i found your site.. dealing with doctors and trying to self educate is a shameful dispute that should never take place,, but it does sadly
@SyriusStarMultimedia
@SyriusStarMultimedia 9 ай бұрын
In putting the idea to practical use it is amazing to be able to simply exercise and eat better to relieve pain, increase mobility and have a better quality of life. I can run again for the first time in years.
@lv1985aa
@lv1985aa 11 ай бұрын
Just to clarify, that HGH dose of 0.015 mg/kg was done 3-4x per week and not daily? From what I recall reading the study when it first came out.
@redberries8039
@redberries8039 11 ай бұрын
..and the others daily?
@lv1985aa
@lv1985aa 11 ай бұрын
@@redberries8039 yea the others are definitely daily dosages
@tommasobonvicini7114
@tommasobonvicini7114 11 ай бұрын
Metformin usage always makes me raise an eyebrow: it's known for its reduction in mythocondrial function, that to me seems a big no, at every age.
@RichardAMorris
@RichardAMorris 11 ай бұрын
It's effect inhibiting complex 1 of the ETC chain in the mitochondria may be overblown. That only happen at large doses. I mean, it's not cyanide. Metformin's role as an activator of AMPK is likely more relevant. AMPK is a mitochondrial energy shortfall signal and it's effect on acetyl-CoA carboxylase in the cytosol is to disinhibit fatty acid transport into the mitochondria to be used to make more energy. More metformin = more AMPK = more fatty acids allowed into the mitochondria = less buffering of fatty acids in tissue like the thymus.
@chuckduncan9098
@chuckduncan9098 8 ай бұрын
Very interesting, entertaining and informative. Thank you.
@michellenotherday1482
@michellenotherday1482 8 ай бұрын
Very interesting and I really want to follow up next year with the Phase 2 study. Curious though: I noticed the graphs almost all show increases (or decreases depending how you look at it)…reversals in the improvements. Does this indicate the participants may have to continue taking the cocktail, or increase the portions, or does it stop working after about 12 months? Thank you, and as interesting as you made this, I subscribed!
@evebaker4740
@evebaker4740 11 ай бұрын
Very interesting…so glad you shared this with us, I wonder if you have done a research study on senescent cells?
@jeffreybritton3338
@jeffreybritton3338 11 ай бұрын
It would be interesting to know the participants initial vitamin D levels and Zinc levels, since I hear most people are deficient. However one wouldn’t really expect any benefit unless one was initially deficient.
@lakehuron7733
@lakehuron7733 11 ай бұрын
Really interesting as all your videos always are. Would appreciate your take on Bovine Leukemia Virus (BLV) and cancers
@jons2447
@jons2447 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for this, Nic! I'm already taking 3/5s of this, zinc, vit. D, & DHEA. I also take berberine, a 'natural' version of metformin. Some of the supplements I take are thought to be HGH 'boosters' as well. I started taking supplements because testing showed some deficiencies. Because I was diagnosed w/ asbestosis & COPD steroids were prescribed. They have a tendency to produce hormonal imbalances that cause further health issues. Including nutritional deficiencies. But the supplements are helping just as the Intervene Immune stack has shown. Keep up the good work, & ; Have a GREAT day, Neighbor!
@Canuckster1169
@Canuckster1169 8 ай бұрын
cant get dhea here in canada at least that I know of, and ive looked.
@oneluv11
@oneluv11 4 ай бұрын
@@Canuckster1169banned
@TheFarmacySeedsNetwork
@TheFarmacySeedsNetwork 11 ай бұрын
Man, I would love to see a study where they drop the metformin and increase the vitamin d to 30000 IU, and add some good sunlight exposure, and a few cold shocks. Are so hard to do without extremely technical lab equipment. Just discover your channel, excellent information and by far the best explanation I've seen yet that was short, simple and sweet about epigenetics! Subscribe and thank you!
@cakesteak
@cakesteak 9 ай бұрын
Yeah, and don't forget a few slaps in the face with a rainbow trout! Should be part of every stack.
@bilbo2016
@bilbo2016 10 ай бұрын
Excellent content!
@Physionic
@Physionic 10 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@madelinedelvalle3666
@madelinedelvalle3666 24 күн бұрын
You're such a tease! 😎 I was so waiting for the dosage and supplements. Thanks buddy! By the way the 500 of Metformin really surprised me.
@jayalanlife5926
@jayalanlife5926 11 ай бұрын
I'm the only messenger My 5 are N-acetyl cysteine Vitamin D Glycene Taurine Fish oil I feel so good as well
@arihaviv8510
@arihaviv8510 4 ай бұрын
That's not the stack of the discussed study
@jayalanlife5926
@jayalanlife5926 4 ай бұрын
@@arihaviv8510 yes I know but HGH was the only thing on the list that would have had an impact
@jtk5867
@jtk5867 11 ай бұрын
Could you please provide comment on the potential efficacy of Berberine vs Metformin, as it relates to this application?
@Physionic
@Physionic 11 ай бұрын
Will do.
@jons2447
@jons2447 11 ай бұрын
@@Physionic "Thank you", in advance.
@lindapestridge3073
@lindapestridge3073 10 ай бұрын
Oh good you asked the question that I wanted to know Metformin vs Berberine I take Bererine hoping it is as good as metformin without any side affects
@aanchaallllllll
@aanchaallllllll 10 ай бұрын
0:21: 🧪 A study conducted at Stanford Medical School showed promising results in reversing aging in a small group of men. 3:27: 🧪 The researchers investigated the effects of time-restricted feeding on immune health and found that blood insulin and glucose levels did not change, but they were more interested in thymic involution. 5:27: ✅ Intervention increases thymic fat-free fraction in most participants, but not all. 12:07: 🔬 The study found that people who experienced a six and a half year reversal of epigenetic age also experienced improvements in several indices of clinical health. 8:42: 🧬 Epigenetic clocks are a way to measure and track aging based on changes in epigenetic tags on our genes. Recap by Tammy AI
@JonMagnificent
@JonMagnificent 10 ай бұрын
I will just comment a very well thought out and scientifically sound, "wow!" -- Your videos are awesome.
@janesjourney9564
@janesjourney9564 11 ай бұрын
Good luck getting HGH legally. It took 2 yrs to find a competent endocrinologist willing to screen me. He measured a large number of hormones, many labs, a 24 hour urine, and performed adrenal function IV stimulation test, as well as a several hour long IV GH stim test. Poor GH results began the “application” process. Including a full (rule out) cancer screening (colonoscopy, mammography etc) and body composition/bone density etc etc. Results are submitted for “approval”. HGH is more expensive than many people’s house payments. Which began another process - submitting my 1040s tax forms to be approved for financial assistance. HGH treatment was extremely beneficial on the short term. But it’s no panacea - adverse (painful) side effects had me beginning to wean within a year- until I stopped taking it altogether in 2 yrs. That’s the reality. The need for HGH treatment is NOT for the faint hearted...
@Portia620
@Portia620 11 ай бұрын
What type of side effects?
@janesjourney9564
@janesjourney9564 11 ай бұрын
@@Portia620 Carpal tunnel syndrome is a common side affect. Hands going to sleep would be more of a "nuisance" compared to something like tenosynovitis that I experienced in my wrist - very inflamed feeling - rendering my thumb useless in grasping and in pain. It went away with dialing back HGH and splinting my thumb. Repeat...reduce again...until HGH treatment stopped. My thumb is fine now.
@janesjourney9564
@janesjourney9564 11 ай бұрын
@@Portia620 It also affects "metabolism". HGH treatment can push a per-diabetic into full blown diabetes. (it pushed my A1C over 6. Keto helped to keep that in check - high 5s.
@redberries8039
@redberries8039 11 ай бұрын
I think there are peptides that boost HGH ...sounds a bit flaky tho' it was that Huberman guy that mentioned it
@janesjourney9564
@janesjourney9564 11 ай бұрын
@@redberries8039 I just listened to one vid by Huberman. It’s the usual advice...for healthy people. Here’s the caveat - adults that actually need HGH treatment are not well. Here’s an example. Huberman spoke of sleep hygiene. And mine was restless, even while taking HGH. It gets itself into a circular argument. lol! Then, after HGH treatment, I found a nutritional supplement that has me sleeping like a baby - which helps anyone feel better! Sermorelin Peptide was never got discussed with my doc. (I’ve had pituitary issue, not hypothalamus) I’ve seen other OTC HGH stimulants that are cost prohibitive. Arginine, alone, may help Joe 6pack at the gym. But, for me? - nutritional support has been paramount. Canned cod liver has become my new super food. But, I do need more “building blocks” than I can eat, that I supplement. My doc does well to monitor some vits - like D and B etc. All that, does not seem like bad advice for the elderly - whose HGH is waning. : - )
@chasingshangrila
@chasingshangrila 11 ай бұрын
I heard that 10-20 zinc is enough from another study. Great video as always!
@carpediem673
@carpediem673 11 ай бұрын
50mg daily seems like a lot. I'd like to know if a lower dose is effective.
@chasingshangrila
@chasingshangrila 11 ай бұрын
@@carpediem673 I agree that’s why I mentioned the lower dose. I think it was a study reviewed by Dr Brad Stanfield. I hope I didn’t destroy his last name🤣
@tracymullane8818
@tracymullane8818 7 ай бұрын
I just read the article last night where Peter Attia who is writing about the particulars about this TRIIM study (Thymus Regeneration Immunorestoration and Insulin Mitigation) mentioned it was a weak study because there were 9 or 10 people (the article says 9, the study shows 10) only men (as NV laments during a podcast) and there was no control group. They added the DHEA because the HGH increases cholesterol and the main author of the study, Fahy, added it in based on a hunch- he was right- the cholesterol went back down on the DHEA. Thymus seems very important as the study cites roughly at about age 63 is when cancer, infectious disease, autoimmune conditions, generalized inflammation, arthrosclerosis and all cause mortality increase due to lack of T cell production which happens in the thymus gland as well as lack of t cell receptors. As @physionic points out in his recent podcast, adipose tissue collected around the thymus gland basically kills it off and removing the fat enables it to function again. This was shown in diagrams of the gland in the study! So the conclusion was to mitigate insulin production, and restore immune function by regenerating the thymus gland. (Sorry, I'm very good at stating the obvious.) Regarding the epigenetic effect mentioned, it only gained about 2 and 1/2 years. I'm wondering how that can be true because earlier in the study they mentioned that the immune response in centenarians is still apparent and this was part of their goal. Maybe if we could see a comparison with the blood markers of a centenarian we could measure the effect more accurately. So the goal was to keep the vibrancy of the immune function in order to prolong life. If this is so, why not also prescribe thymosin alpha 1 to everyone? There are no poor side effects. This has the effect of increasing hematopoiesis which is the goal here. Keep everyone strong, apo B and LDL low, a nice low body fat percentage (BMI can be higher because of muscle weight) and take higher amounts of B vitamins for the NAD effect, especially B12 for higher RBC count? I think that would solve many of the problems along with keeping low insulin- very significant because it was perceived to contribute to depositing fat, which needs to be controlled to liberate the thymus gland so it can do its job. A few things I noticed about the study is that exercise is not mentioned at all. The weight of the men or weight change is not mentioned. And diet is not mentioned at all. With no control group and only measuring the blood markers, I am wondering what the real significance is of a study like this could be without other measurements and records. Interesting study but I'm sniffing stacks as opposed to lifestyle changes. I think the focus should be on the function of the thymus gland, and what we need to optimize the whole body response to that which is much broader, and not the stack.
@chuckm2405
@chuckm2405 6 ай бұрын
Well thought, logical, brilliant
@tracymullane8818
@tracymullane8818 6 ай бұрын
Thank you​@@chuckm2405
@surajitgoswami1871
@surajitgoswami1871 11 ай бұрын
Good one. In the very recent past, i'm finding that having zero nuts in my diet lowered for this person nearing 70 from gut barrier leakages (rashes going away) which in turn possibly lowered the immune system becoming hyperactive (not measured) Have no idea if this "demand side" benefit can act in parallel to the "supply side" improvement observed in the TRIIM study. eGFR improvement is my goal as well.
@kdw75
@kdw75 11 ай бұрын
I couldn't even fathom the wealth a company could acquire if they were able to stop or reverse aging.
@ortcloud99
@ortcloud99 10 ай бұрын
Survey says most people dont want to live longer, so not much money there. However another survey says high net worth people would pay half of their assets for another healthy 10 years, so that is alot of money
@kdw75
@kdw75 10 ай бұрын
@@ortcloud99 That is surprising. About 80% of the people in my family I asked say they would like to live at leat another 50 years, but only if they were healthy. My wife and I only have a household income of $145k and we live in a town outside of Kansas City. Both of us would do anything to live longer and see our kids and grandchildren longer. Family is everything.
@ortcloud99
@ortcloud99 10 ай бұрын
@@kdw75 There is an assumption that people do want to live longer, but I cant find any. I have asked around to everyone and cant find anyone who wants to live longer. I have also read articles on life extension and people in the comments are all negative. I would like to see a formal study and get this solidified. I think it would be surprising
@kdw75
@kdw75 10 ай бұрын
@@ortcloud99 it’s funny because I would do almost anything to live longer, yet living to long would be one of the worst fates imaginable. :)
@iraklimgeladze5223
@iraklimgeladze5223 10 ай бұрын
​@@ortcloud99people just afraid, when it's become common people will adopt in new reality
@SkyRiver1
@SkyRiver1 11 ай бұрын
I used metformin for a half year or so. My work out results nose dived to negative results, and I began having cramps in muscles that had never cramped before, like incredibly painful diaphragm cramping that was so bad I thought it was a hernia. Stopped metformin -- work out result returned to normal, cramping decreased significantly. In my seventies I question if the results are more positive than the loss of muscle mass production is negative. Addendum: When investigating the cramping was told by a very experienced nurse that the cramping indicated that I did not need metformin. Which I knew, but I think it did indicate that I was already insulin stable. This may be due to continual benign twitching of muscles in my legs for decades. This will keep blood sugar stable, strangely enough.
@thierryvidal63
@thierryvidal63 11 ай бұрын
Same thing here. I stopped after a few weeks because the metformin triggered what I suppose was an atrophy of the pyriform muscle. This was giving me an excruciating sciatica pain when I've never had any problem.It was totally depressing. Fortunately it disappeared completely when I stopped the metformin and reinforced this muscle.
@Physionic
@Physionic 11 ай бұрын
A great point. I’d argue maintaining muscle mass is more important.
@SkyRiver1
@SkyRiver1 11 ай бұрын
@@thierryvidal63 I was also quite disappointed. Was told by a nurse that had vast experience, that the cramping indicated I did not need metformin.
@jons2447
@jons2447 11 ай бұрын
Twitching could be a deficiency, prolly minerals.
@SkyRiver1
@SkyRiver1 11 ай бұрын
@@jons2447 Probably is in most cases. But I had all that and every test they could think of checked long ago and again and again recently. I forget the exact term that my neurologist used, but it amounts to benign mild involuntary contractions. Someone probably would not even notice it until I pointed it out. Very subtle, but a near continuous kind of rippling of the muscles in my calf and thighs. I can neither feel or control it at all. Can't reproduce it or stop it. Huberman once advised subtle leg movements, if forced to remain seated for long periods as a method of regulating blood sugar, in other words burning glucose in the calf muscles. I believe this constant rippling has done the same for me.
@dianetheone4059
@dianetheone4059 11 ай бұрын
Another fascinating explanation. Do you ever plan to deep dive into bone and joint health? Thank you.
@Physionic
@Physionic 11 ай бұрын
Absolutely, Diane. Unfortunately, the number of requests is overwhelming and I can only release one investigation a week, so I’m limited until I can grow Physionic to hire help.
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