This and That: 2022 Canadian and Korean Figure Skating Championships, Ilia Malinin

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This week, skating got cutthroat at the 2022 Canadian Figure Skating Championships, as Vanessa James and Eric Radford were named to the 2022 Beijing Olympic Games over Evelyn Walsh and Trennt Michaud. Meanwhile in America, people are still buzzing over Ilia Malinin, Jason Brown and Vincent Zhou. Up North, hell froze over, as Meagan Duhamel cried on camera over Kirsten Moore-Towers and Michael Marinaro. Piper Gilles and Paul Poirier proved they are contenders for an Olympic medal. And Keegan Messing, Roman Sadovsky and Madeline Schizas became Olympic team members. Also this week, Arthur Liu told us about his egg donor, and Yelim Kim, Young You, Haein Lee, Jia Shin and Jun Hwan Cha brought their best stuff for the 2022 Korean Figure Skating Championships. We break it all down on the latest edition of 'This and That'.
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@maryspitzmueller669 2 жыл бұрын

“Danny Kwan walked so Arthur Liu could run.” I would buy the T-shirt.

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

@susanfield3680 2 жыл бұрын

😂

@topicdel 2 жыл бұрын

"Can you say something in Russian?" "No thanks". LMFAO. I love this kid.

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

Oh yes!

@rajs7876 2 жыл бұрын

Yes. I prefer direct people. It is nauseating hearing the fake fluff but it did train Michelle well for a career in diplomacy.

@meypuim2951 2 жыл бұрын

Why would they ask him that? I don't blame him for answering that way....a rude question deserves a ride answer

@mariamyousef8269 2 жыл бұрын

I love how these videos are always ready around 11pm/12am in my timezone, it's like a fun bedtime story

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

@nvadqs 2 жыл бұрын

00, 01 am in my time zone. I feel like the naughty teenager that reads beyond the lights-off time.

@rajs7876 2 жыл бұрын

They always pop up while I'm trying to do the work I procrastinated on.

@pgk3052 2 жыл бұрын

@@rajs7876 Exactly! Even my husband will sit diwn to listen!

@bettybleu12 2 жыл бұрын

I started at 1am. How can I sleep now? Love This and That! Twice in 1 week. What a treat.

@JoshuaFazeli 2 жыл бұрын

“We found that Arthur screwed up with the egg.” Omg, Dave. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

Fact.

@JoshuaFazeli 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheSkatingLesson Danny Kwan would have never screwed up the egg. I’m waiting for USFS to nominate him to the Hall of Fame.

@maryspitzmueller669 2 жыл бұрын

The 5’7” egg 🥚 😭

@1chienandalou 2 жыл бұрын

I can sell him an egg, I’m 5’0 on a good day.

@dkeinow 2 жыл бұрын

He should have stayed with an Asian egg (I am Asian so I can say that! 😁)

@Anthony-lh9kz 2 жыл бұрын

Jason is so artistic, but Ilia would have been the proper choice. It was a 6 quad difference. We robbed a potential future world/Olympic medalist of an Olympic experience just for someone else to finish 8th at one more competition and then retire.

@pinky-zu3qv 2 жыл бұрын

I think if Ilia was serious about the Olympics this year he should have had a senior season.

@Person-mh6xq 2 жыл бұрын

@@pinky-zu3qv 🙄

@kristinab3838 2 жыл бұрын

@@pinky-zu3qv USFS decides who gets junior and senior assignments, and the points and ranking from the year before determines who would be granted Grand Prix assignments this year.

@sebastienant6265 2 жыл бұрын

absolutely but unfortunately ice skating is so corrupt

@skatingvids2785 2 жыл бұрын

you are so right about evelyn and trennt. people in the sport, even a large number of very respected and knowledgable people, have a tendency of selectively forgetting the committee's criteria when they see one clean performance and then act so indignant about it in the aftermath. it's one of the most frustrating things about the sport right now

@skatingvids2785 2 жыл бұрын

@mooniexplans im not going to speculate if skate canada knew they wanted J/R to go as soon as they were formed and even if they had why would they be open about that. all i know is J/R met the selection criteria far more than W/M. but i agree they should have told them personally and i also blame the coach and all the other figures in the sport encouraging them to feel slighted when they weren't because it is such a disservice to them going forward. especially when they were in a vulnerable emotional state.

@shasty9 2 жыл бұрын

Haha, yes, being sneakily competitive but not openly cut throat is definitely our Canadian way.

@fzztsimmons 2 жыл бұрын

also haven't even got to that bit yet but meagan sobbing for W/M and MTM as she commentated was my favourite bit of CNats. You KNEW she wasn't just emotional for them - she was crying for every pairs lady who's been effed over by a pairs man.

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

My moment of the week!

@JoshuaFazeli 2 жыл бұрын

I will never forget what dumpster fire Meagan was put through from Eric and Julie. That interview on TSL is my moment of the season.

@fzztsimmons 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheSkatingLesson my second favourite was when meagan said in interview "all canadian pairs sucked all season" like girl ur not wrong!

@iamdee2615 2 жыл бұрын

Meaghan showed her true colours the bitter butter lol

@dkeinow 2 жыл бұрын

11:00 ish. I really appreciate it when you bring in what people who do not watch skating as much might think when they watch the Olympics. I am still processing how some people in the arena in Nashville do not seem aware of the depth of figure skating in other countries.

@maryschreck2557 2 жыл бұрын

Again, we should be discussing how the USFS followed their own criteria on this one. Whether said criteria was fair is another question, of course. But they followed their selection criteria, full stop. That point should be emphasized.

@gdfhnt 2 жыл бұрын

Raf’s comment: “ I called one of the people in charge of the development of figure skating in America and asked how he will look into the eyes of this boy and his parents? What did this guy do wrong? In addition, I called Ilia’s parents and said that I wanted to apologize to them for what happened on behalf of all American figure skating. I am really ashamed of this decision …”

@rajs7876 2 жыл бұрын

Agree he should go hug Raf had Ashley and Adam get the go ahead. Was he calling and apologizing to Mirai's parents or that creepy weirdo Ross' family? No one is consistent lol

@tracienieto2722 2 жыл бұрын

Wow

@MsTeach3 2 жыл бұрын

I am continually amazed at the unkind comments made towards skaters past and present.

@AT-jm4dl 2 жыл бұрын

@@rajs7876 Mirai and Ross did not have the potential to disrupt the favorites at the Olympic. Except for their families and friends, nobody cared that they were left off the team. Ilia's performances and scores at Nationals suggest that he could make quite an impact at the Olympic.

@corgeousgeorge 2 жыл бұрын

Roman Sadovsky's quad sals were just so smooth and so fluid, looked like triples, so easy peasy.

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

💯

@pandaz1993himick 2 жыл бұрын

I'm glad you didn't wait for your other video, it means we get more content 😍😍😍

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

More to come!

@maria375s 2 жыл бұрын

Love your discussions as always! Thank you Dave and Jonathan!

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

@L.Spencer 2 жыл бұрын

If judging were more accurate then it'd be easier to say. Call the mistakes, reward the artistry. I don't know why skating has to always have the same winners, if a new skater outskates the veterans, let them win. I don't know Vincent as a person but I like him as a skater.

@MrChaseBlue 2 жыл бұрын

Because it causes a ripple in the intl skating scene, which rides more largely on politics and reputation

@shelleyc853 2 жыл бұрын

I'm sorry I missed Ilia's live, it sounds truly incredible. Probably inevitable that it will get trained out of him, but I love it.

@pandaz1993himick 2 жыл бұрын

The key takeaway for fans is that selection processes are not to be blamed on the skaters, everyone worked very hard to get what they got (and you guys are always super respectful about that delineation). It must be very difficult to think that nobody believes in you/ thinks you should be stripped of what ought to be a huge accomplishment. Onus on selection committees and judging panels to act robustly and in good faith.

@louisehancock324 2 жыл бұрын

Aren’t there witnesses that were in the area that said that’s not what they heard. So let’s not judge until we find the truth.

@sol62442 2 жыл бұрын

Vincent is inconsistent, but people forget that Ilia is as well. Ilia had one good competition, which just happened to be at nationals. Considering Ilia’s history (JGPs, Skate America assignment last year were all very shaky), it’s just as likely he makes mistakes on every quad at the Olympics than it is he goes clean. That being said, that statement is also entirely applicable for Vincent as well. That’s why it’s probably better to send Vincent, just because at least he has more international reputation that could help him on the PCS side.

@MidnightRain111 2 жыл бұрын

Every single men's skater is inconsistent except Nathan, but even Nathan bombed the previous olympics. Ilia earned his spot and not sending him because he "might make mistakes" is nonsense, what was the point of holding Nationals then? A clean Brown can't get a medal, a clean Malinin can

@a9029k 2 жыл бұрын

Didn’t Ilia win gold at both of his JGP events this season?

@sol62442 2 жыл бұрын

@@a9029k it’s better to look at the protocols, not the standings. Ilia had very messy competitions, but it’s not reflected in the standings because the men’s JGP is not super competitive

@sol62442 2 жыл бұрын

@@MidnightRain111 oh I agree that Ilia should have gone over Jason. But I don’t think he should necessarily go over Vincent, which has been the argument a lot of people have been making

@a9029k 2 жыл бұрын

@@sol62442 yes but that isn’t a serious argument.. everyone surely knows that Jason has no chance at a medal even with the best skate of his life

@tanyawade4954 2 жыл бұрын

Jonathan, I am so glad your Canadian Bird Children made it. Because now I get to see their Frank Stallone RD on Olympic ice. Camp dreams do come true!

@narusasu813 2 жыл бұрын

Ilia malinins interview answers are everything. And I am sure that if nathan / Vincent/ brown believes someone else was robbed of the team. They wont say it.

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

He is so honest.

@narusasu813 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheSkatingLesson my favorite was say something in russian. I dont think so lol

@shantarakelian1998 2 жыл бұрын

Timestamps (in progress): 0:00 Introduction Edit: video now works!! 1:47 Vincent Zhou (3rd at nationals). Did well in short bad long. 5:51 Jason 15:18 Ilia, rising star for the United States. So much talent. 20:18 Alysa Liu article 26:36 Canadian Tire Nationals 26:38 Evelyn and Trent, I’m shocked that the Canadian federation didn’t send them. (Filling in the bubble here!) 56:24 KMT-redemption at nationals after a horrible season so far. 56:40 Deanna going to 4CC, good for her. 1:01:31 Canadian men, I’m so glad that Roman made the team. Sad for Nam. Great for Keegan to win his first ever national title! Wesley Chiu is a rising star in Canada. He has some great elements. 1:12:02 Canadian Ice Dance. Piper and Paul looked great and are one of the top contenders for that bronze medal (I think) at the Olympics. I believe that they have momentum after a great season so far and that medal at worlds last season. 1:17:17 Canadian Women. Possibly the weakest for Canada at the moment (apart from Schizas who skated well). I wanted to mention that I loved Veronik’s skating even as far back as 2014. She has wonderful elements. I wish they had two spots! I hope that they can send Veronik to worlds or 4CC 1:20:43 Korean Nationals 1:21:00 ladies. Where can we find the protocols? I’m so happy that they are sending Young You and Yelim Kim. Too bad they only have two spots. Lots of upcoming talent in Korea. 1:24:01 Korean Men

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

works on my end

@tracienieto2722 2 жыл бұрын

Im still reeling by the fact that our ladies gold medalist cant do a triple triple our silver medalist cant rotate a triple triple and our other olympian doesn’t want it. As much shit as Michelle got over the years about not upping the technical in her programs SHE WOULD STILL BEAT ALL OF OUR SENIOR LADIES 🎶 like it’s 1999! 🎶 😭😭😭

@fionan7311 2 жыл бұрын

What do you mean, of course Alysa wants to be an Olympian! She just wants to keep social media separate from skating.

@thesovgc 2 жыл бұрын

@@tracienieto2722 Karen is so gorgeous when it comes to everything besides the jump rotations though 😂

@tracienieto2722 2 жыл бұрын

@@thesovgc she is one of my very favorite skaters! At least she tries! to do a 3/3

@timcarwinski8142 2 жыл бұрын

When Ross Miner was passed over, TSL talked about the importance of having clear criteria to inform skaters in advance of how selection would be made. Jonathan seems to have changed his mind in arguing for a more holistic analysis. I'm still in favor of having strict criteria because I think it reduces the potential for cronyism, corruption, or unfair favoritism. (You see this with big companies, which create strict criteria for hiring and promotion to address the effects unconscious bias.)

@marycoyne1889 2 жыл бұрын

I agree with this. But it will always be subjective. "Body of work" means this past season? Or their entire career, or how they matched up against the other American skaters? It can be swung all kinds of ways. For a young skater who does not have a track record as a senior, there is no "body of work" compared to skaters up to a decade older. If it is straight up top three, the way it used to be, that is more honest in a way, but also complicated with covid-postive withdrawals here.

@anthonydolio8118 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for two fun and interesting broadcasts this week,

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

❤️❤️❤️

@nvadqs 2 жыл бұрын

The fact that Weaver supported W/T over Eric, considering how close Weaver is to him, made me root for W/T

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

Weaver is a bleeding heart.

@nvadqs 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheSkatingLesson Fair enough

@skaterboy-cz9wj 2 жыл бұрын

Who is WT

@Cooltiger28 2 жыл бұрын

What joy two videos in couple of days? What a joy for the start of the new year? Happy NewYear everyone

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

Enjoy!

@user-jy8zb2wc8l 2 жыл бұрын

I don't understand how hard it would be to adjust the TES:PCS scales each year based on previous season's scores- the same way educators might do sliding scales to exam results. This encourages skaters to keep developing in all areas.

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

Great point

@shelleyc853 2 жыл бұрын

This makes far too much sense for the ISU to adopt!

@clcamden6489 2 жыл бұрын

Yessss! Love the background, Johnathan! ❤️

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

@frodogollum829 2 жыл бұрын

I love your videos, I only wish you could show some pictures of who you are talking about at the moment since sometimes I dont know people. Would love to learn more :)

@JackAShepherd 2 жыл бұрын

I can't believe Raf has been criticizing the selection... It's not like he's ever had a Pewter skater be deservedly selected over a Silver medalist -- twice

@tracienieto2722 2 жыл бұрын

What did Raf say?

@SecondPlaceYuya 2 жыл бұрын

I'm also really glad I watched to the end. I have said "Good for you, Lucinda Ruh" to my husband so many times, and he has no idea what I'm talking about.

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

@66bayouboy 2 жыл бұрын

I say it to my coworkers at work 😆

@SecondPlaceYuya 2 жыл бұрын

@@66bayouboy It's soo good when someone understands your 25 year old excruciatingly niche references. Bless the skating community.

@SecondPlaceYuya 2 жыл бұрын

I was a lifelong SP Teri fan until like 2 years ago when I bought new skates and the composite material weighs like half of what my SP Teris weighed. We're living in Star Trek times.

@aalegalfocus 2 жыл бұрын

What kind did you get? Edeas?

@kristinab3838 2 жыл бұрын

Ilia needs to hire Polina to be on his PR advisor. We need someone in Team USA with an actual personality. I hope that they don't hire him an agent who will ruin him.

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

100%

@fionan7311 2 жыл бұрын

They should review their criteria for 2026. (Ilia's quad technique is brilliant.) Even if Ilia won nationals, he'd still be left off the olympic team for not having body of work! Actually the whole U.S. Olympic team was as predicted. Rather than holding nationals and risking exposure to covid they could have monitored skaters progress instead.

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

They sure could have protected them!

@junglesuperstar9270 2 жыл бұрын

American nationals were ridiculous .

@harveygirl95 2 жыл бұрын

As it should be. Have any of you actually watched Ilia on the Junior Grand Prix? He had two rough outings and the Junior men this season were incredibly weak. One could win easily with just a few triple axels. He even lost points with a 3Lz-popped single loop. There is plenty of work to be done on the second mark. He has nice skating skills and a good foundation but the programs are a snore and the packaging is not great. Give this kid more time. I bet the Olympics wasn’t even on his radar a few months ago. I am impressed by the progression of his technical elements in such a short amount of time but hesitant to send him based off two great performances at Nationals. The team should have thought about having him compete on the Senior GP (like Yuma) before complaining about not being selected for the Olympics

@junglesuperstar9270 2 жыл бұрын

@@harveygirl95 it is federation who assigns gran prix.

@mocneeuq 2 жыл бұрын

@@harveygirl95 "Give this kid more time." Yes so why not give him experience for the Olympics? At least he has the quads unlike Jason who will never medal. He is worth the risk because he is the future unlike Jason and Vincent who are going to retire after this quad. Why would you give chance to Jason who will never medal anyways and at best top 10 or Vincent inconsistent ass and always flop? But you don't want to give chance to Ilia? I don't get your reasoning at all. Jason and Vincent were already given too many chances.

@bergherp2611 2 жыл бұрын

This episode's take on pairs in Canada was so refreshing. IMO, going into Nationals, J/R were the number #1 team and almost a slamdunk to go to Olympics. Despite competing for only 5 months with mistakes, they managed to score 30-40 points ahead of W/M. Then they got COVID. I'm frankly aghast at Walsh's reaction, she threw around the term "bullying" and complained to Skate Canada, even though she admits that James's comment wasn't directed at her. Walsh basically did the skating equivalent of complaining to her manager. Getting your feelings hurt doesn't mean you were bullied. I don't know in what world "Our spot is secured (sic)" amounts to bullying. The sentences before and the sentences after that were conveniently left out of the article. There was just no context. For example, what if James was feeling unsafe doing the free due to deconditioning and speaking to someone who was trying to convince her to risk her safety and skate? Why didn't Walsh think she could beat KMT/M for that Olympic spot? Why didn't W/M up their technical content and skate lights out at Nationals? W/M are the obvious alternates and with covid, still a good chance that they are going to skate ALONGSIDE J/R. Ho'w's that dynamic going to work for Team Canada? Agree Keegan bringing his phone to the camera for a close up of his baby was obnoxious. That's what Instagram is for. He's a dad, yay for him. But who is this grainy close up for? His wife knows what the baby looks like. Also didn't think that free was anything to celebrate, it was a fight for the jumps throughout the free.

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed the show

@kmo6993 2 жыл бұрын

I was shocked at how gracious Keegan’s scores were for sure. And I was also taken back because I didn’t feel they gave Roman the appropriate PCS. And yeah, the gossip and complaining in pairs world is frustrating because it is beyond unnecessary. 🙌🏽

@gymerin 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for clearly showing the difference between the emotional choice and the objective one. It's often hard to distinguish between the two in skating

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

@kristinmiller1568 2 жыл бұрын

“You put that on Scott Hamilton where it belongs!” 😂

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

;)

@kalpanapatel5765 2 жыл бұрын

They could have put Ilia on the olympic team because he made that standard and put Jason on the world team. Ilia would likely make the world standard at the olympics and if Nathan drops out of worlds, Ilia would go to world too.

@narusasu813 2 жыл бұрын

Yes. Go with the future. He needs experience.

@narusasu813 2 жыл бұрын

Not to mention he has medal chances . Unlike jason except for team sorry not sorry

@jjh2456 2 жыл бұрын

@@narusasu813 Jason wasn’t even going to be put on the team.

@o_valencia3038 2 жыл бұрын

“ The judges will decide “ - that seemless ABBA reference had me on the floor!

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

@Wafflinson 2 жыл бұрын

All I can say is I am glad not just the USA is having selection drama.

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

@fzztsimmons 2 жыл бұрын

at the end of the day, USFS followed their own selection criteria. now whether the criteria in itself is fair is a different story but it would be EVEN MORE UNFAIR and morally wrong to disregard criteria that was published at the beginning of the season. everyone had access to the criteria and knew what competitions and scores would be weighted more heavily. it's exactly what adam did - know that criteria back to front so you have an impenetrable argument for selection. i can't believe i am defending USFS but here we are. maybe next quad their selection criteria will be different and placements at nationals will be given more priority. but it was clear from the start of the season what was most important for the 2022 team. it also makes me very sad to see some of the comments towards jason - of him being not deserving of a spot, of 'robbing' ilia and in addition the oh so lovely outright homophobic comments towards him. does it need to be reminded that without jason there wouldn't have even BEEN a third spot for which ilia would have been contending for. disagreeing with the selection process is one thing, acting as if jason or vincent unfairly "stole" a spot is another.

@Tenorboy29307 2 жыл бұрын

I watched Ilia’s live last night. Very happy to hear him mention Nathan, Jason, Vincent, and Yuzuru as the skaters he looked up to. Jason’s skating skills and performance level are soooooo good. He is refreshing.

@SkunkyLorrie 2 жыл бұрын

Agree

@MidnightRain111 2 жыл бұрын

What does this alleged homophobia have to do with anything? Regardless of sexuality, Jason Brown has not landed a single quad in his career and he got gifted a spot over the National Silver medalist who was twelve points better than him. It's blatant favoritism. The Adam vs Ross situation is nowhere near the same, Ross was nowhere near close to landing multiple quads and scoring +300 points as Ilia is.

@fzztsimmons 2 жыл бұрын

@@MidnightRain111 I was talking about comments I've seen that denigrate Jason's skating by calling him a slur or that he only got a place because of his sexuality. And Jason was not "gifted" a spot - he met more of the criteria than Ilia did, that's fact. It's not favouritism - the criteria was available for everyone to read. Jason's median score was significantly above Ilias. Ilia only competed in one senior challenger event where he bombed and missed the minimum tes for worlds. If Ilia had not bombed and earned a higher score above Jason's season average he would have met more criteria and would have gone instead of Jason. It actually shows that his team didn't prepare for the chance he would do so well at Nationals otherwise they should have sent him to more senior competitions to improve his scores. You want to have a look at his protocols on skating scores for his last few competitions - they are littered with qs and underrotations. Also if you think Ilia will earn 300 points on the international circuit you're delusional. His PCS at his only senior international competition was in the 7s. There are many men who would and should score above him - Chen, Hanyu, Shoma, Yuma, Vincent, Kolyada. Nationals inflation isn't real.

@a9029k 2 жыл бұрын

Vincent is the one who got the 3rd spot for the US, not Jason

@katrinastack5245 2 жыл бұрын

I so loved y’all having the conversation about the men before the announcement!

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

@mainaalmeida4246 2 жыл бұрын

I thought I clicked fast, but even timestamps lady is already here 😂

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

Amazing!

@snezhanagorelova9008 2 жыл бұрын

As for comparing Keegan & Roman for the team event. Actually this season Keegan does not do very well the long program. As for the short he has 90 points in Zagreb but he struggled a lot with free at both gran prix events he participated. it will be interesting to see the choice which will be made by Skate Canada. Personally i would like to see them both at the team event.

@stuckin2003 2 жыл бұрын

I really like VIncent, I think the short program is amazing. But the lack of calls in the LP was worse than anything we saw at Russian Nationals. None of those quads were close to rotated.

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

Stevie Wonder could see those cheats!

@tracienieto2722 2 жыл бұрын

Re: worse than anything we saw at Russian Nationals… uh may i remind u of the sudden onset of a back problem and the sudden onset of a silver medal for a certain dance team with a chronic condition of”not an edge in sight-itis”?😜

@stuckin2003 2 жыл бұрын

@@tracienieto2722 I don't watch dance, lol. I meant women's singles.

@JoshuaFazeli 2 жыл бұрын

@@tracienieto2722 Diana with resting bitch face with her dog in her arms lol Apparently Trusova gifted her the dog. 😂

@tracienieto2722 2 жыл бұрын

@@stuckin2003 the Russian ladies are such insane athletes they are amazing and yet i am bored. If u told me the content of kamilia’s program and her mastery of EVERYTHING in it and you told me i’d be bored I wouldn’t have believed you. If im honest i think i dislike eteri more for ruining skating for me than harming those children. Yikes

@stuckin2003 2 жыл бұрын

1:21:30 🎶🎶🥕 Tammy Gambill....TAMMY GAMBILL 🥕🎶🎶 Need this jingle every time we see Tammy in the K&C 😂

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

@elizabethburrell4756 2 жыл бұрын

Polina Edmunds' Russian ladies commentary was better than watching the competition.

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

It was FANTASTIC.

@Essylte 2 жыл бұрын

Watched some clips of the Korean skaters. It was obvious the way US Nationals, Russian Nationals and Japanese nationals went, with the top 2 skaters on the podium going to Beijing. The Korean women were packaged beautifully; Haein Lee's free costume and Yelim Kim's Turandot's dress were the best ones to me. IT's too bad that only two spot for the women are allowed. Haein Lee would have gone if there was a 3rd spot. Agreed on You Young's 3A and Kim Yelim's 3-3s. At least KSU is smart enough to send their best skaters who have the potential to go 5-7. I'm not worried about the US men, because Nathan will be on the podium in Beijing anyways. Ilia Malinin could potentially be sent to Worlds if Nathan or Vincent do not go.

@laudese 2 жыл бұрын

Did anyone else notice that Eunsoo's first jumping pass in the free was a triple lutz-double axel (that she did beautifully)? I was wondering if that was some Mariah shade...

@mix4715 2 жыл бұрын

@@laudese Eunsoo did it first before Mariah. I think she did it in the previous year leading to World or her GP free program this year. I forgot which one but i m pretty sure she did it first. So no shade to Mariah.

@Tronipule 2 жыл бұрын

"nothing bonds two people more than their love of skating and a common enemy"!!!!

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

@JoshuaFazeli 2 жыл бұрын

Polina Edmunds is the Maya Angelou of figure skating. I’m inviting Polina to my Oprah luncheon in Montecito, for sure!

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

@Frenchie100 2 жыл бұрын

@TheSkatingLesson Hi! About your opening discussion on Vincent Zhou's calls and marks: Did you catch the discussion about the GOE marks for his SP 4Sq? The other marks and calls can always be criticized for being "too generous", but in that case, 5 out of those 9 GOE marks were "not in compliance with the rules": It's not "to the judges' discretion", but a rule that a q means they have to go down with whatever mark they would have otherwise given by 2. Therefore, the maximum they could have given for that 4Sq was "+3". Yet, there were 4 +4s and even one +5. This "judging mistake"(?) alone would, if it hadn't happened, be enough to change the end result of the competition between Vincent and Jason. Vincent won by 0.38pts, if you were to lower those "illegal" marks by 2, he'd have earned 1.3 points less. Yes, I think Ilia is the "not underrotating" alternative to Vincent and should go to the Olympics instead of him. Jason offers something different. Different that a bland "Starry < starry

@adrianacalderon6374 2 жыл бұрын

Agree, judges need to comply. There were falls and yet some of them did not follow the rules on lower/max PCS to be given when serious errors happen. I think 3 or 4 out of 9 (!)...

@MarshaNovak 2 жыл бұрын

Can anyone explain how the “factor” for components is selected? Thanks so much.

@fw7103 2 жыл бұрын

Oh my god I love Jia Shin so much. She is like Korean Kostornaia. Huuuuge jumps. The Korean junior girls are so good.

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

@wlecheng3467 2 жыл бұрын

Question: Is the slo-mo replay we see during broadcasts used by judges to review specific elements before issuing their marks?

@JohnnyOpera1 2 жыл бұрын

No. They use a different set of cameras

@alexiac7223 2 жыл бұрын

Omg I can’t believe I missed Ilia’s live!!! Do you have the video or the transcript? Lol

@pandaz1993himick 2 жыл бұрын

New merch "I don't know any synchro teams"

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

Amazing.

@lexismith8325 2 жыл бұрын

Ilia is hilarious 😆

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

100%

@tracienieto2722 2 жыл бұрын

That talented, cocky, angelic faced little devil…I can’t wait to see his journey these next 4 years! Woo hoo.

@tracienieto2722 2 жыл бұрын

Im having so much fun seeing all these children of skaters i watched so many times, and thinking….. my kids suck…LOSERS!!! 😆

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

@@tracienieto2722 He is a gift to us.

@tracienieto2722 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheSkatingLesson yes he is! and to quote u Dave….”we have been so good to deserve this”

@wleb1 2 жыл бұрын

I am cackling at your PR expertise for Americans and Ilia LOLOLOL!

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

Where is the lie?!

@MyKombucha 2 жыл бұрын

Question: is there a particular advantage to sending J/R if they're not medal contendors? I'm not disputing their place on the team, just wondering if there is anything to be gained with their particular entry...

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

Placements in the team event.

@daphenaxa 2 жыл бұрын

Japan didn't send Satoko, who is the ultimate fan favourite and the most beautiful skater, they sent the new young girl with the 3A who is on an upward trajectory. USA left the new young boy with the quads who is on an upward trajectory home. It still blows my mind that you would pass on a potential future superstar of the sport like that. Jason and Vincent went to the olympics at 16 and 17 yo respectively and they were far less promising.

@ColonelGreen 2 жыл бұрын

Satoko was fifth at nationals and has struggled for the last two years. Not really comparable to Jason at all.

@toxic-low-key-ghost7934 2 жыл бұрын

Let’s not forget about the empress!!! justice for tuktemysheva

@lyali3289 2 жыл бұрын

You got your ages mixed up, jason was 19 at his first olympics, maybe you meant nathan , but he was also 18. Only vincent was 17.

@rachelheller1396 2 жыл бұрын

I am happy that Jason made the Olympic team and I also think he will the team event at the Olympics because Vincent bombed in the Free Skate at Nationals. I also think Jason will to Worlds because Nathan or Vincent will not go to Worlds. I hope that Iilia Malin has a bright future in skating. Do you think that Jason, Vincent , or Nathan will retire after this season? I think that Jason will skate competitively for one more season. I have no idea what Vincent will do and Nathan is going to Yale.

@sabrinahughes9699 2 жыл бұрын

I have been listening to you guys for a long time and really enjoy you. I always l"Like" the post but have never made a comment until now. My comment is in regards to Vanessa and Eric. I think we all have dreams and it is their dream to go to the Olympics even at their ages. Are they perfect, No they are not. But they continue to strive toward their dreams.

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@anastasiaorlova2062 2 жыл бұрын

Do you think other athletes don’t dream to go to Olympic? That’s sport, not a dream.

@marydimuro2953 2 жыл бұрын

I would also add that Vincent did not look great at NHK either. He peaked at Skate America and as the season progressed, so did his usual unreliability. Bench Vincent. Bring on Ilia. Having Vincent is worse than having Jason because at least the international judges like Jason.

@rajs7876 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah peaked way too early at SA

@meypuim2951 2 жыл бұрын

You guys counting him out. Olympics hasn't begun yet. All I have to say is he needs to change his lp outfit. With that belt...just NO! Ilia just gonna have to wait his turn.

@GG-md2fx 2 жыл бұрын

Vincent's in trouble if the caller from NHK is at the Olympics. He didn't call once at NHK. It was URs (and 1 pop) that brought him down.

@jonathanong6675 2 жыл бұрын

50:50 deep cut with the "Dominique Dawes 9.4 start value on beam" YOWCH. Was also on Team Vanessa in 00. Who's coming thru then like a Tasha Schwikert lol

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

The 9.4 SV is a fact! Watch how Elfi sold Dawes!!!

@haikushfotlyan4367 2 жыл бұрын

Yay! Another video.

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

Hope you enjoyed it!

@haikushfotlyan4367 2 жыл бұрын

Yes!!!! Thanks so much

@nolancarney2728 2 жыл бұрын

Great video!!!!!

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

@swurvestar1 2 жыл бұрын

You were so great on Patreon this week. Thanks for making watching Nationals so enjoyable Nolan!

@oceanle 2 жыл бұрын

I love Zachary Lagha!

@JackAShepherd 2 жыл бұрын

"Danny Kwan walked so Arthur Liu could run" 😹😹😹

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

@aalegalfocus 2 жыл бұрын

That was hilarious. Maybe Danny has some good advice for him.

@arthurtheaardvark13 2 жыл бұрын

Gotta add that I freaking love VIncent! I love his free program - its absolutely beautiful and I think his high PCs are justifiable when he skates it well. I know he's a bit of an oddball, but I love unique people. It makes me sad to hear that he doesn't have that much of a fanbase :( I'm so excited to see him compete at Olympics and think he will perform wonderfully.

@bonnie9131 2 жыл бұрын

Lets hope so

@rosie94204 2 жыл бұрын

I love Vincent 💙

@aalegalfocus 2 жыл бұрын

Vincent fan here too. Sure, he didn't do well in the free but I thought he could've won the short.

@arthurtheaardvark13 2 жыл бұрын

@@aalegalfocus I think he was very close to Nathan in that phenomenal short!

@MsTeach3 2 жыл бұрын

I also love Vincent and am confused and saddened by people who seem to be so triggered by him. His programs are two of my favorites this season.

@almourie 2 жыл бұрын

Another angle i think is important to look at and discuss regarding team selections is the whole age argument. USFS and JSF (+ and other federations) can’t make an argument for raising the age requirement if they are sending the new fresh skater. It would look bad if they sent 17 and 16 yr old skaters while advocating for an increase in age. Sending skaters like Mariah and Jason imo makes a statement (even if the technical content isn’t there) when they have amazing performances like they just did at nationals. Just a thought!

@MidnightRain111 2 жыл бұрын

If there is one older skater who deserved an olympic spot, that is Liza tuktamysheva. But she was also snubbed as Ilia was.

@TraCarol83 2 жыл бұрын

That is very interesting take!

@paulinayaeger9691 2 жыл бұрын

True, but has USFSA ever given any indication they actually want to raise the age requirement? I never got that sense. US media likes their fluff pieces about Mariah being a fighter and all that (I actually feel bad how they were all acting like she was so old), but if Isabeau Levito was just a year older, she'd have rightfully won USNats and they'd have put her on that Olympic team. In 2020, arguably Mariah should have arguably won USNats, but USFS gave the win to 14-year-old Alysa with her under-rotated quads and triple axels. I also think USFSA wanted to put Malinin on the team, but like... felt that they couldn't in good conscience cut either Zhou or Brown.

@tatianar9429 2 жыл бұрын

They are sending Liu, who didn’t even compete at nationals because of Covid. Nathan and Vincent were baby skaters at 2018 Olympics. Two people do not an argument make.

@iamdee2615 2 жыл бұрын

@@MidnightRain111 true her longevity with her sports is astounding! She may not have quads like the younger skaters, but her body of works speaks How she really honed her craft for her sports! Theres politics in FS especially in Russia. Imagine, all those figures skaters stars in Russine come and Go but Tuktamysheva is still there and polished?! Theres more talent than doing the quads, plus i admired her loyalty to her coach the legend Minchin

@zb6070 2 жыл бұрын

should spins and footwork sequence be rescored because now with jumps being such a bigger compartment, spins are less and less important.

@isabellao18 2 жыл бұрын

I'm so confused lol - there are 3 stories going around about what Vanessa said and 2 of the 3 don't match Evelyn's version? Is that the gist of it?

@verycooltricks8176 2 жыл бұрын

Dave and Jonathan, have you guys been in contact with Megan at all over the Pairs results? She’s made her feelings pretty clear but I always enjoy when she joins your channel, too! Any more Megan TSL content planned?

@1chienandalou 2 жыл бұрын

Yes moar Meagan!

@loc1976 2 жыл бұрын

I'm sorry. Vincent did a great SP, but a 112 SP???? No way in freaking hell!!! And it was that buffer that saved him from a 4th place. Jason should have been 3rd, he earned all his scores. But Jason is a massive fan favourite, USFS and NBC know it, and it's easier to bump him up than it would have been to bump Vincent.

@loc1976 2 жыл бұрын

Some people were making the same comments that USFS doesn't notify who wasn't selected, but Canadian journalist (London Press I think?) said on Twitter that Skate Canada does inform those who were not selected for the olympic team, or at least they used to.

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

I talked to Meagan about this and she doesn't remember if she was notified about not making it in 2010 or not.

@SonOfAGun1814 2 жыл бұрын

vincent didn't really place top 3 though. he was scored 30-35 points over what he really did in the free alone. him and nathan were way overscored in the short as well. let's get some real judge panels to correctly judge the event.

@SonOfAGun1814 2 жыл бұрын

ilia, nathan, jason is the real factual placement at nationals, as you know.

@sol62442 2 жыл бұрын

There is no world where the “factual placement” has Ilia over Nathan. Even ignoring PCS (where Nathan is definitely still objectively better than Ilia), look at the differences in base value alone between the two. Yes, Ilia had quads. But Nathan had more quads, harder quads, and way more backloaded tech content.

@SonOfAGun1814 2 жыл бұрын

@@sol62442 Ilia had better everything, including everything.

@tatianar9429 2 жыл бұрын

@@sol62442 harder quads how? 4F is not harder than 4Lz, and is actually cheaper. Yes, Nathan had a more expensive layout and one more quad, but he also fell on that quad. Their difference is from components and a couple combos. Ilia had the exact same difficulty quads as Nathan, his GOE was judged lower (in terms of his 4Lz unfairly, that was a thing of beauty, prettier than any other 4Lz anyone ever attempted). Nathan was entirely fairly placed first, but his advantage in TES is not humongous as it normally is.

@JoshuaFazeli 2 жыл бұрын

Why did Drew Meekins NOT have it in the contract that he must be in every kiss + cry? I’m shocked at Drew.

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

SHOCKED

@khinsushein4906 2 жыл бұрын

I did not watch CAFC, but watched top 3 Ladies S.Ko FC, the 3A done by Young You was really good (for me she spinned 3.5 times) but underrotated by judges and got only BV 6.4-0.64 = 5.76 only, and all GOEs + PCS scores were quit lower than those of RU and JP (much exaggerated). Young You was really good in both SP/FP especially her FP with Misérables (Do You Hear the People Sing) looks really nice. The other two are just so so...

@scperry2012 2 жыл бұрын

What was the reasoning behind changing the GOE from -3/+3 to -5/+5? Feels so unnecessary

@KingJasonSlots 2 жыл бұрын

Dave, your jacket is a vibe! 🔥

@louisehancock324 2 жыл бұрын

Everyone needs to chill. Most of the countries had probably made their choices before the nationals, especially in the USA and Canada, because we have a limited number of Olympic medal level skaters. Winning the nationals have never been a guarantee of a place on the Olympic team.The USA chose a pairs team that did not compete at the nationals, a single skater only competed in the SP. Instead of bitching about the teams, let’s wish them all freedom from Covid and much success at the Olympics. Go team USA and Team Canada.

@bassethound1 2 жыл бұрын

You’re not the boss of us.

@lorimcgrath1522 2 жыл бұрын

I really appreciate the discussion on the Canadian Olympic selection "scandal". I actually had cancelled following a lot of skating related accounts on twitter in the last few days where there was a ton of online hate towards Vanessa & Eric. I actually appreciate all three top teams (am a huge fan of KMT!) but the backlash of the decision to select V&E has been ugly and absolutely overshadowed KMT & MM's championship win with the bad media coverage and online hate. And that newspaper article was totally strange, like a gossip column hit job; you are so right about the repercussions for this still young team (who I look forward to watching grow and develop) and their future relationship with Skate Canada. I'm also a fan of the new team of V&E (saw them compete in Vancouver in the fall - they were great!) and it's a shame that many skating fans have now turned against two of Canada's 2022 Olympians - are they going to be able to cheer for Team Canada figure skating during the Olympics or will they continue to spew hate? And how is all this drama going to affect KMT just when they performed so well? Will they be able to bury the hatchet and be good teammates together to fight for a medal in the team event? Perhaps they all need to get mad at Russia or the US or Japan for likely taking away their title as reigning Olympic gold medalists and their medal chances this time around?

@JoshuaFazeli 2 жыл бұрын

All this Strum and Drang in Canadian Pair figure skating is making me consider pulling a Pasha Grishuk and just cut my hair and dye it white blonde by the time Worlds gets here.

@thesovgc 2 жыл бұрын

Happy Bursday, Mr. President!

@JoshuaFazeli 2 жыл бұрын

@@thesovgc I continually imagine myself hardly able to skate off the ice and crying into Tarasova’s fur coat made of bear 🐻 as I’m being swept into the kiss and cry.

@stephaniejoyce1240 2 жыл бұрын

Does anyone have a link to the Alysa article?

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

defector.com/alysa-liu-has-been-through-it/

@stephaniejoyce1240 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheSkatingLesson Thank you!

@SonOfAGun1814 2 жыл бұрын

what is a project? what is a rule?

@JoshuaFazeli 2 жыл бұрын

Tatiana Malinina IS EVERYTHING. The REAL housewife of Figure Skating.

@tracienieto2722 2 жыл бұрын

All i know is I couldn’t take that freaking Aladdin program one more time

@JoshuaFazeli 2 жыл бұрын

@@tracienieto2722 I can. Every time. Watching Tatiana beat Amber Corwin for gold at 4CC is just so appropriate for the 1998-99 season.

@tracienieto2722 2 жыл бұрын

@@JoshuaFazeli i loved her jumps… god i hated that program!

@JoshuaFazeli 2 жыл бұрын

@@tracienieto2722 those late 90’s programs with zero effort to choreography other than the US ladies really are hilarious and wonderful to watch. Vanessa Gusmeroli doing that split on the ice 😂

@tracienieto2722 2 жыл бұрын

@@JoshuaFazeli omg! I haven’t seen that in SOOOOOOO long SO HILARIOUS! I remember always them going on about her being a water skier. I do miss Victoria Volchkova’s beautiful Lutz

@brittlaroche3080 2 жыл бұрын

Tracy and Rod are CTV. They are my childhood commentators.

@dannyhayes4474 2 жыл бұрын

1:16:05 “do we like girls, do we not?” Honestly the best question to come out of this channel 😂

@gwenr2854 2 жыл бұрын

Ilia was amazing, not historic though. When Nathan was 17 he won Nats by landing 7 quads after having come in second at Sr GPF. Kind of like everyone just forgot.

@TheFadingMan 2 жыл бұрын

Jason Brown is not amazing. He sucks.

@meypuim2951 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheFadingMan yes I've never enjoyed his skating.

@trylogic4084 2 жыл бұрын

I read online where they were naming the Olympic and World teams that Ilia will be going to senior Worlds pending his achieving the minimum technical scores. I don't understand. Did he not qualify at the Cup of Austria? I don't know the qualification minimums. My next big question is :Where is he going to compete to get the qualifying scores?

@flywings111 2 жыл бұрын

He bombed the short program so he missed the minimum TES for the SP by 0.2 point. He can go to Challenge Cup and get the minimum there.

@KatieGregoire 2 жыл бұрын

For Jonathan’s sake I’ve tried and tried and tried to like Hubbell/Donahue for four years. And I just can’t get into their skating, it does nothing for me 😝 I think they’ve never come close to their Caught Out in the Rain program. Here’s rooting for a Chock/Bates vs Piper/Paul bronze medal fight! 🤞🏻

@MyKombucha 2 жыл бұрын

Lol. I tried to like H/D too based on Jonathan's endorsement of them to no avail. If their power is their strength, perhaps I would "get it" if watching them live.

@toxic-low-key-ghost7934 2 жыл бұрын

What you said about the C/B and piper and Paul fight for bronze… I hate to be this person but have you seen the scores the Russians are getting? I actually think that it will be the Russians for 2nd and 3rd. Although I don’t think it should be, and that chick and bates and piper and Paul should be in it for the fight, I doubt they will be given a chance, that’s the way it’s looking.

@KatieGregoire 2 жыл бұрын

@@toxic-low-key-ghost7934 I absolutely see what you’re saying, and you 100% have a point, and I’m also actively choosing to bury my head in the sand and ignore it for my mental health 😂😂

@RED-cy7ig 2 жыл бұрын

It's sad Ilia Malinan will not be going. He did everything he could to make the team.

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

He has a bright future

@aalegalfocus 2 жыл бұрын

I agree!

@shantarakelian1998 2 жыл бұрын

I will do timestamps tomorrow!! Sorry everyone!

@mainaalmeida4246 2 жыл бұрын

no problem 😉

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

@shantarakelian1998 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I have to be at work super early and I was also concerned that I may have contracted covid after feeling not so well and sluggish for many days. I was negative which is a huge relief

@StellaChenViolin 2 жыл бұрын

Dave if you ever do PR I’m joining your waitlist immediately

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣

@AMAskating 2 жыл бұрын

How tall is Arthur Liu? One of my fully-grown daughters is 6" shorter than I am, and the other is 4" shorter. Their dad is not tall, and they took after him!

@matthewhines9787 2 жыл бұрын

OMG. Remember when Angela was asked if she would say something for them in Bulgarian and she basically snorted and laughed "no".

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

Ha!

@jenna5578 2 жыл бұрын

Long time watcher here! I just started taking a class on Russian sports and lemme just say…I cannot wait to cite some your guys’ ru sport interviews during this Olympic season 😌

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

@jenna5578 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheSkatingLesson Thanks for the response :) Definitely will be reading it!!

@JoshuaFazeli 2 жыл бұрын

I’m thinking Piper/Paul will be 4th. It’s looking like Hubbell/Donahue will be 5th. Madison Chock: She is THE MOMENT. (Wendy stare)

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

It's all about the 'duh' on the music!

@GF2445 2 жыл бұрын

Unlike the meticulous work done to refine and reform the Technical Element Score, the second mark has pretty much only seen minimal changes in terms of definitions of words. The ISU have decades of data- skaters, videos and scores. The ISU should consider providing clearer guidelines as to what each component looks like across the range between 0.25-10.00 and use their extensive data as evidence. E.g. they should be able to difinitely describe what skaters who earn 9.00 display with explicit examples. The should, as you suggest, refactor the components score. This will make this more balanced. This will not solve issue of judges using the PCS score to essentially rank the skaters like 6.0, but at least there will be more balance. One other consideration would be to adjust the component incriments. at the moment components increase from 0.25 to 10.00 by incriments of 0.25 Maybe reduce the incriments from 0.25 to 0.125 to provide more room for differentiation.

@JoshuaFazeli 2 жыл бұрын

Some people find it exciting when the Olympics come around every four years. I find it exhausting having to tolerate new fans who do not understand the dynamics and politics of the sport and think that our beloved comment section is supposed to behave like Hoda Kotb.

@1chienandalou 2 жыл бұрын

Lol