Three Ultimate Euro Superbikes Compared: One Is a Clear Winner

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Жыл бұрын

Cycle World tests the Aprilia RSV4 Factory, BMW M 1000 RR, and Ducati Panigale V4 SP2 head-to-head in a racetrack shootout, naming the best superbike of 2022.
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The only things required in the modern-day superbike are the essential go-fast elements of mass horsepower, wicked handling, and a heck of a lot of technology developed at the highest levels of racing. Anything else? Scrap it. Extra interferes with the ultimate goal of the ideal lap time. This is the category that has revolutionized outright road-going motorcycle performance as we know it.
It’s what has made superbikes so super. And every so often, one of these machines comes along and defies the perception of what is possible on two wheels, completely changing our expectations for a high-performance race-bred streetbike. To put things in perspective, a former Cycle World staffer purchased a late-’70s Suzuki GS1000, leaving it in the crate, convinced that performance of such an astonishing level would not be outdone. Boy, was he wrong.
Era-defining motorcycles like the legendary 1986 GSX-R750 followed with its remarkably low weight, high rpm, and unflinching sporting focus for the period. Other milestone machines include the wicked 1998 Yamaha YZF-R1, then the fabled 2005 Suzuki GSX-R1000 otherwise known as the K5, and more recently the technologically sophisticated 2015 Yamaha YZF-R1. Each represents a new realm in conceivable performance relative to its period and was built with the rules of production-based Superbike racing in mind, in order to win on Sunday and sell on Monday. Because if you want a great racebike, you have to start with a great streetbike.
What’s different in this test is that two bikes arrive here flouting any racing rules while one aims to perform within superbike regulations to deliver the best possible racetrack experience. None of these motorcycles are cheap, but considering their relative performance and their high-level industrial art, you could argue there’s a ton of value here. There is nothing better available on two wheels for total sportbike performance-these bikes are it.
The Ducati Panigale V4 SP2 is the best example of no-holds-barred performance, packed with the oversized 1,103cc Stradale 90-degree V-4 and a whole lot of carbon fiber. Think of it as Ducati building upon the performance of the super-exotic Superleggera V4, Cycle World Ten Best Superbike 2021 champion, and delivering it in a package that’s 60 percent cheaper and more readily available to the customer. It feels as if it was hand built on the workbench alongside Bologna’s World Superbikes.
Aprilia’s RSV4 Factory has a similar story. The winner of Cycle World’s last superbike shootout has a lot on the line. Since that time, Aprilia has bumped displacement of its unrestricted 65-degree V-4 to 1,099cc, fitted top-shelf semi-active Öhlins suspension, and an updated swingarm, among other changes. Aprilia may not be actively competing in superbike racing, but recent MotoGP results are proof of its ongoing expertise.
In this group, BMW’s M 1000 RR is an outlier by being a homologation-special racing model. It has to be 1,000cc, but it’s the finest, fastest machine Motorrad has to offer. That means it’s the competition-minded descendant of the capable S 1000 RR with every bit of the design focused on finding advantages within the scope of the World Superbike rules package. Yes, there is street-spec equipment, but BMW is just squeaking through DOT and EPA requirements to qualify the M as a for-sale streetbike so it can go racing at one of the highest levels.
Evaluating the true performance of these open-class machines is a serious task, and for the 2022 Cycle World Superbike Shootout, that meant two full days of highly focused testing on Thunderhill’s 3.0-mile road course. It is a lot of fun and also very intense, particularly with ambient temperatures around 100 degrees. This track is demanding. Packed with dramatic elevation changes, a variety of tight and fast sweeping corners, heavy braking zones, and fifth-gear straightaways, it puts every aspect of these superbikes under the magnifying glass of our handpicked testers. Legendary CW road test editor Don Canet returned to deliver objective evaluations and do the timed hot laps, while in-market editor and experienced professional roadracer Bradley Adams and motorcyclistonline.com senior editor Adam Waheed also handled testing duties.
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@kevinbacker7477
@kevinbacker7477 11 ай бұрын
In my book just comparing a $26k bike to a $40k bike speaks volumes. Aprilia does an amazing job for the pricepoint. You could just take that extra cash and upgrade the bike and it would be way better than the other bikes.
@fredapril8384
@fredapril8384 9 ай бұрын
A tune, a race exhaust (without that low-end limiting valve) and some carbon fiber wheels and you are still cheaper but more nimble and really fast. Aprilia people know you spend 99% of the time commuting with those, not track day'ing. I prefer the colorful version of the RSV4. As for the sound, no contest, Aprilia!
@lonpfrb
@lonpfrb 2 ай бұрын
Aprilia AMX data logging is not cheap so needed to equal the Yamaha R1M package.
@a-a-ronenduro6969
@a-a-ronenduro6969 Жыл бұрын
The Ducati wins but you could buy an RSV4 and a Tuono for the street for the SP2s price 🤔
@borivojpandurovic3625
@borivojpandurovic3625 Жыл бұрын
You can also buy 40 000 bureka
@patthonsirilim5739
@patthonsirilim5739 Жыл бұрын
but here the thing people who are interested in this types of bike are nnot as price sensitive coming from a person who owns a v4sp2 and a v4 speicale its all about the drama the fit and finish those are who value bang for buck alaways ride japanese there simply better in every regard when it comes to value cheaper more reliable part are more available and labour or diy work is far easier.
@kodyking3090
@kodyking3090 Жыл бұрын
@@patthonsirilim5739 holy run-on sentence
@monkeyCmonkeyDoo
@monkeyCmonkeyDoo Жыл бұрын
@@kodyking3090 he lost me when he started the sentence with "but"...
@durim187
@durim187 Жыл бұрын
@@patthonsirilim5739 agree, bang for buck Japanese are still kings.
@daniilrusanau5849
@daniilrusanau5849 Жыл бұрын
Right off the bat can say, that I love this conversational format! More commute old-fashined videos in 2023 please!
@gigi9467
@gigi9467 Жыл бұрын
Can get a lil. Boring, 25% subjective and 75% objective (lap times, acceleration etc) is my preference but we can’t get what we want all the time
@benchaggaresmusic
@benchaggaresmusic Жыл бұрын
Off*
@daniilrusanau5849
@daniilrusanau5849 Жыл бұрын
@@benchaggaresmusic indeed! TY
@nimayork1
@nimayork1 Жыл бұрын
The Aprilia is almost half the price lol. It should be compared to an S1000RR and a V4S lol. You can buy an RSV4 Factory + a Tuono 1100 for the price of the BMW or the Ducati lol. FYI, I bought the 2022 RSV4 Factory and it is the best bike I have ever owned!
@weldoid
@weldoid Жыл бұрын
I watched this on the Xbox and then had to log in on my phone so I could comment on how great it is to see a comparison by guys who KNOW WHAT THEYRE DOING!! Not enough of this nowadays, and we really appreciate your work!
@SanjitNagi
@SanjitNagi Жыл бұрын
Check out 44 teeth.
@benchaggaresmusic
@benchaggaresmusic Жыл бұрын
@@SanjitNagi and MCN, specifically Neevesy
@igitsolutions
@igitsolutions Жыл бұрын
Have you guys ever considered that having the carbon wheels plays a role in the ability for the brakes to slow down the rotation of the wheels due to the extra Kg on the rear and extra 700grams on the front wheel. The rotational inertia difference is massive at high speeds. I bet If you put carbon wheels on the Aprilia there will be 4 distinct differences you'll feel. 1. It will accelerate faster 2. It will stop faster 3. It will feel way easier to lean over side to side. 4. It will feel sharper (more accurate) Something to keep in mind the differences mentioned : stopping, leaning over and power delivery at that HP and Torque numbers the wheels definitely played a role between those 3 bikes.
@kirkdunn1379
@kirkdunn1379 Жыл бұрын
Would 100% agree....rotating mass is huge in every aspect......you would have to put those on the Aprilia to give it a fair shake.....Braking, suspension, turning, handling are all affected... Just having your suspension tuned specific is huge deal..... Would think you want manual adjustments for track and semi active for streets
@MegaTechpc
@MegaTechpc Жыл бұрын
Man, you act like forged aluminum wheels are made out of lead! Sure carbon is better but it’s not as if the Aprilias wheels are ungodly heavy!
@igitsolutions
@igitsolutions Жыл бұрын
I would even go so far as to saying the fact that it is 7-10k cheaper you can use that to do upgrades as follows. Full titanium sc project pipe (even the euro 5 one for comparison sake) Carbon wheels Race ECU flash Vortex stacks (this will solve the sluggish feel) And if still in budget brake/master cylinder upgrade. 1 tooth smaller sprocket in front. That would put the bike in the same price range. Or cheaper still and then do a comparison. With the 3 bikes. Yes its not stock but with an apples to apples comparison is in order to level the playing field.
@igitsolutions
@igitsolutions Жыл бұрын
@@MegaTechpc you do realise that every gram counts when it comes to rotational mass. As a matter of fact when wheel alignment is done the rotational mass is adjusted per gram of weight at a time. That is how big a difference is for every gram.
@MegaTechpc
@MegaTechpc Жыл бұрын
@@igitsolutions yeah I realize that, my point is that for average riders like me the stock bike is way more than fast enough as is. Carbon wheels and a full exhaust would just be a waste of money for me. I don’t go to the track and the stock exhaust already sounds amazing on my RSV4
@snupermoto723
@snupermoto723 Жыл бұрын
Adam doesn't sound stoned for the first time ever.
@thewheeltroll1833
@thewheeltroll1833 Жыл бұрын
Dude seriously, this is the fastest I've ever heard him speak lol
@schwazeneggro4274
@schwazeneggro4274 Жыл бұрын
Yeah he smoking less of that good stuff
@snupermoto723
@snupermoto723 Жыл бұрын
@@schwazeneggro4274 the devil's lettuce
@leward
@leward Жыл бұрын
I know, and I don’t like it!
@bcab7955
@bcab7955 Жыл бұрын
I wonder if he does that by choice during his individual reviews exclusively, was curious if anyone else noticed that.
@peternap82
@peternap82 5 ай бұрын
Nice comparison. I drove many bikes, the S1000RR is such a beast and reliable. My goodness from zero to 240 in fourth gear and figting to stay on the bike... Incredible power. Ducati is it's own league of itself, the sensation on any model is special... Also special is all the troubles and high maintenance. I owned an Aprilia RSV Factory R, the emotion, the reliability and funfactor is amazing. It's like the BMW but with a rough edge and an unbelievable sound. Aprilia is the one to buy, it will always give you the smile you want and doesnt destroy your wallet every single time you go out 🤣
@pcoakle1
@pcoakle1 Жыл бұрын
GREAT comparison and knowledge as usual guys!!
@milaadf
@milaadf Жыл бұрын
Finally a comparison!!!! I told Adam this is what is needed a few years back! Great job guys
@sidthiru1509
@sidthiru1509 Жыл бұрын
Never expected to say this but that rsv4 is actually priced really well
@jimmansi1187
@jimmansi1187 Жыл бұрын
Another awesome vid guys, you can’t go wrong with either one of those bikes!
@sk2283
@sk2283 Жыл бұрын
Shame the bikes for the USA market are de-tuned so much ! Here in the UK they all make over 200hp at the wheel! Worth pointing out the Ducati and BMW are £35k here but you can get an Aprilia RSV4 discounted for less than £20k - all these bikes are special - just out of this world performance now and the electronics are on another level !
@sk2283
@sk2283 Жыл бұрын
@MajinBroly That's good you can unlock the potential - we can tune over here too without restriction - everything from Turbo's to NOS is available, but most of us juts get a race exhaust and map ... with the Aprila you can buy the exhaust and get the up-map free, I think Ducati do their own map too. It makes a big difference having the bike full power !
@jfess1911
@jfess1911 Жыл бұрын
@MajinBroly Technically, it is illegal in the US to tamper with any emissions controls, but it is rarely enforced. It is currently a $5,000 fine per vehicle. In 2018, Harley Davidson was fined $12 million for selling aftermarket parts that increased emissions on its motorcycles. That's why most of those parts have "Offroad Use Only" either stamped on them or in their paperwork.
@GoVols2015
@GoVols2015 Жыл бұрын
What’s funny is my rr is detuned from the factory BECAUSE of European emissions laws. It’s ok; just need a BrenTune and all is good 👍
@sk2283
@sk2283 Жыл бұрын
@@GoVols2015 they make all models suitable for Euro and US markets but I think for some states in the US the emissions are tighter ?? over here it seems we have a lean spot at 5000RPM then it's WHAM. !!
@kevinbacker7477
@kevinbacker7477 11 ай бұрын
@@sk2283 I know this comment is 4 months old but just wanted to answer. Only California has tighter emissions. Then, by state it is different on enforcing. In Michigan we do not have any emissions or safety testing so after you register your vehicle it's a free game to modify however you want. In states like New York it is required every year to safety and emissions test. Some states only have safety and others only have emissions. Most of the time you can just pay off the guy doing your inspection though and all is well.
@pinotgreen5317
@pinotgreen5317 Жыл бұрын
Nice test! Thanks. Got my RSV 4 last year. No joke, for me it is the easiest bike to ride. And I had many. No need to adjust anything even on the track. Maybe I am not fast enough but anyway I do have my share of fun! Out of my 13 bikes I had (59 years old) it is the best one ever.
@black350Z
@black350Z Жыл бұрын
I'm on my 2nd RSV4 (2020 RR). Just an amazing bike. The engine and handling are so good. Every time I try to ride something else I just want to be back on my RSV4.
@MegaTechpc
@MegaTechpc Жыл бұрын
Agreed. My RSV4 is far and away the most capable bike I’ve ever owned, and mine is a last-gen 2018 RR that I got brand new for $15k out the door!
@DrKampfpudding
@DrKampfpudding Жыл бұрын
The Aprilia wins in the sound and looks department no doubt 🙌
@Fullthrottlemedias
@Fullthrottlemedias 7 ай бұрын
Idk bout looks it looks rlly basic
@CLOSEUP001
@CLOSEUP001 5 ай бұрын
Worst front on any bike could ever happen
@stuffedcrust4522
@stuffedcrust4522 Жыл бұрын
We're living in the golden age for superbikes rn
@williamcb78
@williamcb78 Жыл бұрын
Kinda late to this party (been workin non stop !) but great video guys ! Happy new year to all of you .
@pistolpete6321
@pistolpete6321 Жыл бұрын
Great video guys!
@alanblasczyk1779
@alanblasczyk1779 Жыл бұрын
Very sharp machines ! Great reviews gents !
@Al-ie9ob
@Al-ie9ob Жыл бұрын
Fit and finish on the Aprilia is as good as the Ducati and BMW and a lot cheaper to boot. No brainer - Aprilia is the clear winner for me
@daltonv5206
@daltonv5206 Жыл бұрын
They literally showed the difference
@kenbias3523
@kenbias3523 Жыл бұрын
Great as always Adam!
@axs7689
@axs7689 6 ай бұрын
Ive owned an Aprilia RSV4 and absolutely loved it. Pure nirvana. Id like a Ducati Panigale now not because its better but because Im so blessed to live in a time with such incredible machines that inspire the soul.
@Taitea_____
@Taitea_____ Жыл бұрын
man i love these three crunching down on them european giant manufacturers, i normally skips videos but this one hits different
@byever1
@byever1 Жыл бұрын
Pretty disappointed that the Honda Gold wing isn't on the list of contenders.
@69mag
@69mag Жыл бұрын
I was hoping to see a Tour Glide in the mix..
@jordangarrick703
@jordangarrick703 Жыл бұрын
Agreed - but not as disappointing as omitting my 1990 Kawasaki Ninja 250. That bike would absolutely destroy these new litre bikes - especially with the throttle wide open....
@TheCaptainmojo1973
@TheCaptainmojo1973 Жыл бұрын
I appreciate these guys doing the work, their knowledge, and dedication. That said, it is all but impossible to test modern superbikes whose ECU’ s are stock and haven’t been derestricted. The manufacturers are forced by govt agencies to severely restrict them mostly due to emissions and top speed limitations. Every single modern literbike will make 190+ bhp after being derestricted. The Ducati actually makes around 220 bhp and the Ape around 211. I’ve seen a 2022 ZX10R make 202 at the wheel and an M1000RR that made 201 at the wheel, a Fireblade that made 216 bhp and so on.
@mdoehrman
@mdoehrman Жыл бұрын
I love turn #5 at Thunderhill, good shooting location.
@MrPninja
@MrPninja Жыл бұрын
Thank god we in Australia don’t have those restrictions like flat spots and less power
@tezzrterry7485
@tezzrterry7485 Жыл бұрын
The ECU is still limiting the power through the rev range.
@MegaTechpc
@MegaTechpc Жыл бұрын
I don’t know what these guys are talking about regarding the “softness or lack of bite on the Aprilia’s brakes? Granted, I’m not riding at track speeds but whenever I squeeze my brakes my face feels like it’s about to rip off, and I only have the RR with its last-generation Brembo M50’s! Braking power has never once been something I’d consider a weakness of the RSV4, in fact I consider it to be one of the bike’s strengths.
@myaccount6905
@myaccount6905 Жыл бұрын
Aprillia should introduce an SP above the Factory and put all the goodies on it… I’m sure there’s a market for it… both RSV4 and Tuono
@michaelj.kastner5165
@michaelj.kastner5165 7 ай бұрын
They did, it’s called an RSV-4 Xtrenta- $65,000 has every trick part imaginable!!!
@myaccount6905
@myaccount6905 7 ай бұрын
@@michaelj.kastner5165 yeah, but it’s not road legal…
@rasheedvitalis
@rasheedvitalis Жыл бұрын
Great review on those amazing bikes
@mudwhistle74
@mudwhistle74 Жыл бұрын
Cool to hear your opinions about what looks better and how they felt. Would also like to hear what lap timed quicker? What was the weight differences? Were you all quicker on the Ducati?
@ReshardsAutomotiveWorkshop
@ReshardsAutomotiveWorkshop 11 ай бұрын
The Aprilia was the fastest on track. He says it so quickly it can easily be missed. Got to 4:05
@ninjakat8922
@ninjakat8922 20 күн бұрын
Lol, missed it too. Half the price, most powerful and it got so much "shit talk" for the weight, yet it was the fastest xD Also another comment pointer out you could still get carbon wheels, Ecu map, exhaust and all that jazz and still be below the price range of the other two. Aprilia seems like the honest winner
@gregclarke4254
@gregclarke4254 Жыл бұрын
Great video. all 3 bikes are awesome!!
@stevegriffith7236
@stevegriffith7236 Жыл бұрын
I know you're not supposed to choose a bike judged on looks, but that's exactly what I did. Ducati is the best-looking bike hands down! Not to mention it's a bullet on rails.
@thedragonofechigo7878
@thedragonofechigo7878 Жыл бұрын
Wait, did you get a Ducati? If so, which one because I've always said that looks wise, a Ducati is as exotic as it can get
@jimmyswollnuts7662
@jimmyswollnuts7662 Жыл бұрын
Looks is where it's at. If it doesn't pass the eyes, it won't pass anything else
@stevegriffith7236
@stevegriffith7236 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I bought the Panigale 1199R.
@thedragonofechigo7878
@thedragonofechigo7878 Жыл бұрын
@@jimmyswollnuts7662 that's a good point honestly
@boldstar69
@boldstar69 Жыл бұрын
@@thedragonofechigo7878 definitely not as exotic as it gets looks wise. MV agusta still tops that category, and if you really want exotic, try hub steering bimota's.
@CarlosGonzalez-kb3ck
@CarlosGonzalez-kb3ck Жыл бұрын
Lol that Aprilia “sticker” on the triple tree is a clear protective sticker you’re supposed to remove
@LKESBO
@LKESBO Жыл бұрын
V4 first model started 2018 and now we reached 2023 and still selling not stop, that is the answer why it is the best bike all over, 5 years with the same model is huge success , one of the greatest super bike ever built
@kevinbacker7477
@kevinbacker7477 11 ай бұрын
The Aprilia RSV4 factory has been selling for 13 years now with no decrease in sales. Safe to say it is the better "budget bike" like it was said in the video
@LKESBO
@LKESBO 11 ай бұрын
@@kevinbacker7477 i totally agree bro and i tried my self one , the main thing to know that its not comfortable for a 6ft biker , here is where Ducati win i own v4 and im 6.1 riding it very comfortably i can't ride the rsv4 for 30 minutes 👍
@robertobruselas3952
@robertobruselas3952 Жыл бұрын
I like your analysis. Greetings from Europe
@Homboy_
@Homboy_ Жыл бұрын
The video was amazing, please do an ultimate Japanese superbike comparison. We would love that.
@stevenjackson5541
@stevenjackson5541 Жыл бұрын
Perfect timing
@tja929
@tja929 Жыл бұрын
Did you guys turn off the abs? And run default modes excluding dynamic suspension?
@CubanRider
@CubanRider Жыл бұрын
Damn, bikes went from $20k to $40k fast and in a hurry.
@jfess1911
@jfess1911 Жыл бұрын
You might want to watch "The Most Expensive Motorcycle from every Manufacturer" video on the "bart" channel. There have been a lot of motorcycles with ridiculous prices. I guess that rich people need to spend their money on something. My favorite story is about the Ducati Desmosedici RR in 2007. It was initially assumed that only 500 would be made and many collectors bought them at around $72,500. Ducati then decided to produce another 1000, making it much less rare.
@johncolvin2234
@johncolvin2234 11 ай бұрын
I just can't that much for a motorcycle (Ducati) even though its amazing from front to back. I'm in the market for a '20+ RSV4 so the info in this was nice to hear about the handling/braking/power of the big 3 brands. My friends all ride BMW so of coarse they expect me to buy one lol.
@Aprilia_tuono_v4_rider
@Aprilia_tuono_v4_rider Жыл бұрын
1st time watching you guys from here in the UK. Very enjoyable format of discussion. The Ape is at least £15k (around $18k US) cheaper. It would be interesting to see someone spend that difference on changes to the Ape and then compare them
@mfactory451
@mfactory451 Жыл бұрын
Actually you can, dry clutch 7-8k, carbon rims 6-7K.
@pauln6803
@pauln6803 9 ай бұрын
Carbon wheels make a stunning difference to handling and a tiny difference to acceleration. I went from a base 03 aprilia RSV Mille with cast brembo wheels to an 03 RSV-R with forged OZ, and Ohlins suspension aside, there really wasn't much of a difference. But finding a set of Dymag CA5 for a very reasonable price on eBay UK for my RC8R, I can honestly say the difference is immediate and impressive - it really is like losing 20+Kg off the bikes weight.
@BlkInc1
@BlkInc1 5 ай бұрын
Id like to see the same video with the base /lower trim models of each brand
@Ryan.......
@Ryan....... Жыл бұрын
One thing I've found fascinating ever since I got into motorcycles around 2008 is that when I would look at older comparisons of liter bikes from the early to mid 2000's and maybe the late 2000's, they had faster 1/4 times than the newer bikes. Granted the reported trap speeds are now higher, but it's rare to find a reported time of under 10s now while 10 s flat was mediocre in 2004 per the reports I read 10-15 years ago. Same thing with 0-60 and 0-100 times. They used to report mid 2's to 60 mph and high 4's to low 5's to 100 mph. But in this comparison, they are reporting mid 3's to 60 mph and mid 5's to 100 mph. I specifically remember a Sport Rider article from 10+ years ago showing several bikes', mostly 1000's but also a 600 or two, acceleration data in a speed vs time graph that showed 0-60, 0-100, and 1/4 times significantly faster than these bikes despite being 50+ hp down on power compared to these. Of course, for high power motorcycles, particularly at low speed, wheelies are the first limit on acceleration, not power, but this is odd. Is it based on the measurement methodology, or maybe it's about the launch electronics on the new bikes? One thought is the 1 foot rollout that car magazines tend to use which significantly reduces reported acceleration times. However, my understanding is that motorcycle publications have never really used that methodology, even in the early 2000's. Another odd thing is that I often see faster reported times from non-motorcycle specific publications. One good recent example is the Hagerty videos featuring a Ducati V4 SP2 drag racing a Corvette and a Lucid. They recorded a 1/4 result that was 1 second quicker AND 7-8 mph faster. That cannot be explained by the 1 foot rollout effect. Maybe it is related to the surfaces that the motorcycle publications are using now? Can anyone shed light on this? edit: forgot a word.
@josephferazza7686
@josephferazza7686 Жыл бұрын
I think the main cause of the slower drag times is the taller final gearing on most bikes to comply with emissions. The gearing just keeps getting taller(longer). Like 100mph at redline in first. Everyone goes down on gearing to put them back in the ballpark.
@Ryan.......
@Ryan....... Жыл бұрын
@@josephferazza7686 That is a good consideration. However, weren't liter bikes 20 years ago also pushing 100 mph in 1st gear? Also, the modern bikes are able to wheelie off the line with some clutch slip, so lowering gearing shouldn't improve acceleration, only reduce clutch abuse. This idea also doesn't account for the Hagerty result. But gearing maybe be a factor. I remember being disappointed by the significantly higher 1st gear in my 2013 Triumph Street Triple (maxes out at ~77 mph compared to ~65-ish?? in previous model years) for emissions reduction.
@tezzrterry7485
@tezzrterry7485 Жыл бұрын
Gearing, plus modern ECU controlled bikes are limited to 60% - 80% of their available power, until the high gears.
@Ryan.......
@Ryan....... Жыл бұрын
@@tezzrterry7485 The bikes are still capable of wheelies off the line with their current gearing and ecu power allowance. That means power and gearing are not the limiting factors on acceleration, now or then. Maybe centers of mass were lower or farther forward from the rear axle allowing greater acceleration without wheelieing. All of this assumes the bikes actually are slower in low speed acceleration now rather than a change in measurement methodology. Perhaps there has been an industry-wide change in methodology? It would have to be a big change to account for a nearly 30% increase in 0-60 acceleration times.
@robdedgar
@robdedgar Жыл бұрын
My three fav bikes! Currently have the rsv4. One down two more to go!
@GregNice718
@GregNice718 Жыл бұрын
Which one is better?? Bump that.. all three are must haves….❤
@jake88ci
@jake88ci 11 ай бұрын
Rob have all 3 a Worked MV F4 RC and a 2016 Kawasaki h2 . Sold the other japanese superbikes as they where just inferior in every aspect to the euro bikes .
@k2t210
@k2t210 Жыл бұрын
Some hotlap videos from Micheal will be nice!
@powamoto
@powamoto Жыл бұрын
Great review guys ktg loved it 👍
@shivvashishthabhargava4600
@shivvashishthabhargava4600 Жыл бұрын
Nothing like that RSV4. I would go for it. In all honesty? The V4 SP2 is supreme. Time for the folks at Aprilia to finally modify the RSV4. Carbon wheels, an ECU change and a new exhaust system would make it the champion again. ⭐ 189 on the dyno. Let's go RSV4.
@gromfart
@gromfart Жыл бұрын
I wish high-performance motorcycle comparisons (like this one, with actual conversation and track time, not just drag races on the highways) were with all engines tuned by the same tuner (like BrenTuning or Moore Mafia), removed catalytic converters, and the same slip-on exhaust (or leave the slip-on stock, that's probably fine too). Otherwise, I feel like the results of these comparisons are somewhat skewed just because of what emissions regulations force manufacturers to do to these bikes to make the street legal. These are all amazing bikes. I'd love to know how superbikes compare to each other, beyond just drag racing, once they're tuned to run as they were originally intended before emissions regulations choke up the engine. It's great that they all had the same tires on them in this comparison.
@sennest
@sennest Жыл бұрын
Adam gets it, green means go!😎👍👍
@user-jv6kk9td9m
@user-jv6kk9td9m 8 ай бұрын
I want to see how the videographer manages to capture such smooth motion and keep the bike tracked and focused through a turn.
@johndaroza2987
@johndaroza2987 Жыл бұрын
One year later and again Aprila has the most power 250+ 2023
@leviefrauim1425
@leviefrauim1425 Жыл бұрын
Solid, interesting video review. As for the bikes, none of them are financially feasible for the average person, much less, who the heck needs this type of performance for the street?
@kwakithailand
@kwakithailand Жыл бұрын
For the streets a 1/8 L bike and/or a 500cc Yugo is good enough. What are you driving, though?
@wsbygt
@wsbygt Жыл бұрын
These are reviews that really matter! Super and hypersport bikes!
@gustavdewet5226
@gustavdewet5226 7 ай бұрын
I miss the track times of each of you on each bike...
@josephferazza7686
@josephferazza7686 Жыл бұрын
My only problem with bike shootouts like this is the stock state of the bikes when testing them. Granted it's not gonna work to do mods to them when testing but anyone that buys a neutered 20K+ superbike is gonna derestrict it and change the gearing to real world specs at the very least, unless it voids warranty(looking at you BMW). Then the outcome of the tests can be very different.
@SSS-mp8th
@SSS-mp8th Жыл бұрын
Looked at a Ducati SF and a BMW S 1000 R a few days ago and while the SF looks great the rider triangle on the BMW was better and since it would be a lot cheaper M 1000 R vs SFV4S. I will say just the Panigale V2 in white looked amazing. Awesome pearl white paint on the Ducati's.
@sergiobarajas702
@sergiobarajas702 Жыл бұрын
The guy with vans is killing the show everytime he points stuff out.
@evanjohn503
@evanjohn503 Жыл бұрын
What were the laptimes?
@FormulaJake
@FormulaJake Жыл бұрын
If anyone has the chance, Thunderhill Raceway Park is an amazing track and facility. Truly a diamond in the rough. It's my favorite track and I highly recommend a visit!
@Jmeez69
@Jmeez69 Жыл бұрын
the v4sp2 is a perfect looking motorcycle
@lopolez
@lopolez Жыл бұрын
Did u guys have the BMW in rain mode? I have never seen so low power. It's usually well over 190hp at the wheel.
@freemotion3962
@freemotion3962 Жыл бұрын
That’s because of the beer that is standing on floor behind one of the table legs 😀🍺
@anas_moto
@anas_moto Жыл бұрын
Aprillia X Trenta is a more equivalent trim to compare to SP2 and M1000RR, RSV4 factory thou the flagship production run is not showing the full potential of Aprilia. Im biased considering I ride Aprilia 😏
@allnighterist
@allnighterist Жыл бұрын
No its not xtrenta is not road legal, sp2 and m1000rr are both street legal
@anas_moto
@anas_moto Жыл бұрын
@@allnighterist you are right, how I missed that, my bad 😅
@fightingcarrot
@fightingcarrot Жыл бұрын
From a price perspective the X Trenta is a fair comparison, the RSV4 Factory is equivalent to a Ducati V4S not a SP2 or M1000RR. Also this entire video is track footage and review.
@bruceread4507
@bruceread4507 Жыл бұрын
DUCATI V4R ???
@myaccount6905
@myaccount6905 Жыл бұрын
I believe Aprillia should introduce an ‘SP’- version of the RSV4 with the carbon goodies and full Akra on it… pretty sure there’s a market for it…
@mushabsaid7551
@mushabsaid7551 Ай бұрын
70390 $ ducati v4 sp2 63141 $ bmw m1000 RR 29337 $ Rsv4 factory These are the prices in Türkiye, Aprilia is the winner in terms of price performance.
@robertrscott
@robertrscott Жыл бұрын
In all fairness the Aprilia could very well be the best street bike of the 3.
@tonebonetones
@tonebonetones Жыл бұрын
Exactly. In the real world, more riders will be able to stretch and buy the Aprilia than the Ducati. Plus, the same real-world riders will be using their bike on the street a lot more than on the track.
@ThatIndianKid002
@ThatIndianKid002 Жыл бұрын
omg "you werent" @2:00 burnnnnn
@festol1
@festol1 Жыл бұрын
Aprilia RSV4 is likea black Lamborghini Countach.... at night sky.
@elithegreat6463
@elithegreat6463 Жыл бұрын
Adam, good to see you brushed your hair, and cleaned up a bit...Bravo Bro !!
@grantdubridge7995
@grantdubridge7995 Жыл бұрын
You should call this European super bike comparison.
@JohnMcKown15
@JohnMcKown15 Жыл бұрын
Exactly. No R1, No CBR, No ZX-10? Give me a break.
@johnnyblaze1372
@johnnyblaze1372 Жыл бұрын
@@JohnMcKown15 the Kawasaki is far behind all competitors in Stock form,only if you rady spend 10 to 15 K more maybe the Kawasaki can compare.But who wonts spend that much money on a Kawasaki and after that is not eaven street legal💁🏻
@johnnyblaze1372
@johnnyblaze1372 Жыл бұрын
@@zero_stars like i say yes if you build the ZX 10 RR for the Track yes but in Stockform the ZX10 RR is far behind the Competitors.Many Tests shows that the Kawasaki was a couple of Sek behind the SP2 in Stockform to compare 4 sek on a Track you probablly have to spend 15 K on the Kawasaki wich cost as Basic Model 28 K that means the Kawasaki will be cost more than a Ducati SP2 after this treatment and the Bike will be only allowed on Track and not Street legal.Belive me i am on the Track for Years and i have eaven Japan Bikes in my Garage and many many Trackdays and Amature Race allrady.The Kawasaki is an Old Bike Kawasaki has to make a Evolution to catch up.
@justinhoffman5726
@justinhoffman5726 Жыл бұрын
The Japanese bikes have fallen behind
@johnnyblaze1372
@johnnyblaze1372 Жыл бұрын
@@justinhoffman5726 not all The CBR RRR or the R1 M are good Bikes out of Box .Honda is on Track eaven as Stock Bike very competitive but struggle a lot if you ride the Bike on the Street because of the long Gearing and the Power wich is only in higher rpm.Under 8000 rpm feels like 600ccm abut when the Power kicks in is brutal.On the Track dosent matters because you are allways in higher rpm on the Street is disapointed
@aurorajones8481
@aurorajones8481 Жыл бұрын
MY JAM!!!! 🥰
@andrewackland3642
@andrewackland3642 Жыл бұрын
A track only test without times is a bit irrelevant how much quicker is a 40 grand bike compared to a 20 grand bike ?
@_Machine631_
@_Machine631_ 2 ай бұрын
the aprilia does offer some of the most bang for your buck performance. yeah the styling is much to be desired. but changing settings relative to what track you're riding could make all the difference. Most people buying these bikes will never use all the tech. they typically are just street riders.(which I'm not arguing is a bad thing.)
@williamfischer3990
@williamfischer3990 Жыл бұрын
I love the SP2 but I have one very important question. Why would you buy one over the new V4r? The V4R has 20 more horsepower, it weighs less, revs higher, and looks better. It costs 4 grand more but if you have the cash to drop 40 grand on a bike you don’t care about that.
@therealgelogist
@therealgelogist Жыл бұрын
Different displacement and power band. The V4 SP2 produces peak torque earlier. It's easier to street and track than the higher revving V4R.
@dezib5458
@dezib5458 Жыл бұрын
CF wheels can be a nightmare , some shop mechanics are very hesitant to change tyres on them due to the high cost of accidental damage , I would take the forged any day .Also the risk of catastrophic failure on road hitting a pot hole is real .
@DuzBee
@DuzBee Жыл бұрын
I own carbon fibre wheels and they are not a nightmare. I also question the skill of any Tyre fitting shop or mechanic who are ‘hesitant’ to change them.
@drewmoto732
@drewmoto732 Жыл бұрын
As long as you’re careful it’s like changing a tire on any other wheel. We do them at our shop frequently with no issue
@BrianEvansracer
@BrianEvansracer Жыл бұрын
I change tires all the time for customers with carbon wheels....those shops that have an issue are not being careful. Carbon wheels DO require a lower rim clamp pressure and the use of plastic rim protectors.
@1956colinb
@1956colinb Жыл бұрын
Dezi B…you sound like a guy who has never owned and used a set of carbon wheels!
@Stratocasterhead51
@Stratocasterhead51 8 ай бұрын
He's not wrong, carbon fibre wheels do explode. There is a reason they dont have them in wsbk or MotoGP. @@1956colinb
@TheDucatiPilot
@TheDucatiPilot Жыл бұрын
Ducati for the win! 😎🇮🇹
@DigitalDesigns1
@DigitalDesigns1 Жыл бұрын
They need to test these bikes how most people will own them. Noone is gonna ride or race a stock bike. I have a 2022 RSV4F and a 2020 S1000RR both are flashed and have exhaust and other mods that we all do. rearsets, filter etc.. and the S1k is hands down a better all around bike. more nimble more power my RSV4 has a bit more mid power but that about the only advantage it has over the S1k. I am not bias love both bikes just facts or riding them hard on street and track.
@macdddy09
@macdddy09 Жыл бұрын
nice move to put the beer down by the table leg........
@jacobbarritt
@jacobbarritt Жыл бұрын
Would like to some lap times
@cb8143
@cb8143 Жыл бұрын
Help me put these Superbikes in perspective. What would these do as a lap time vs. say a Porsche GT3? I'm certain that the Superbikes would smoke the GT3 but by how much? Thanks
@rafaello9418
@rafaello9418 Жыл бұрын
Which if all driven at the same speed road speed limits l; which would top out last. Who fuel lights first?
@fredapril8384
@fredapril8384 9 ай бұрын
A tune, a race exhaust (without that low-end limiting valve) and some carbon fiber wheels and you are still cheaper but more nimble and really fast. Aprilia people know you spend 99% of the time commuting with those, not track day'ing. I prefer the colorful version of the RSV4. As for the sound, no contest, Aprilia!
@stevenjackson5541
@stevenjackson5541 Жыл бұрын
The Aprilia forged wheels have been shown to weigh less then the equivalent BST carbon wheel.
@sp00ky1969
@sp00ky1969 Жыл бұрын
That’s interesting. Any links to confirm? Overall weight isn’t the full story of course - it’s where the weight is that makes a big difference.
@factoryrider9537
@factoryrider9537 Жыл бұрын
I don't even doubt that, when we were on track I got hold of some ThyssenKrupp carbon wheels and let me tell you side by side they were a lot heavier than my forged wheels. No doubt the BST are lighter than the ThyssenKrupp but probs a close call
@sp00ky1969
@sp00ky1969 Жыл бұрын
@@factoryrider9537 I’ve no idea about that brand but where the weight is located is important (a lower percentage in the rim for carbon wheels - obviously important when rotating). There are some videos that show stability advantages of carbon over forged wheels and it’s quite interesting to see the difference. I think Cali Moto did one but don’t quote me on that.
@alberto3874
@alberto3874 Жыл бұрын
@@sp00ky1969 the better is mgnesium forged like motogp uses, aluminium forged is great, but carbon wheels are the lighter wheels but dangerous in extreme condiciones, inertial rotation mass is the key for agility ...
@sp00ky1969
@sp00ky1969 Жыл бұрын
@@alberto3874 That’s why carbon provides greater agility. They aren’t more dangerous. The only real issue is that a visual inspection is insufficient after a crash. I understand that this could also be the case with magnesium though.
@JASPACB750RR
@JASPACB750RR Жыл бұрын
IMO, Aprilia RSV4 is the best sounding sport bike. Second the Honda VFR V4 bikes. Third would be the R1 Crossolane. Fourth is the Daytona 675r All the other inline 4 bikes pretty much sound the same. Regardless of displacement. I was never a fan of the Ducs V-twin sound. The KTM RC8 sounds pretty much like a 1200cc dirt bike with its big piston low revving V-twin. Now for one of the best sounding bikes I’d say the Kawasaki ZX25R. Not a fast bike, but that small 250cc inline 4 with its 17k rpm, sounds like a little formula 1 coming by. And the little GSX-R 400s were cool bikes as well. Wish that the US brought more of these smaller displacement 4cyl sport bikes to the market. Not a lot of new riders feel comfortable on a 600 and how much power it has, as well as it’s weight. And don’t want a small cc sport bike with what is essentially a dirt bike motor in the frame. But the ZX25R and GSX-R 400 would give new, less experienced, smaller statured riders a perfect bike. They would sell really well.
@leamondtaylor825
@leamondtaylor825 5 ай бұрын
BMW! Is my bike out these three. Aprilia would be my second choice, also a aprilia reminds me a lot of a suzuki, they have so much incommon. Ducati not all that to me??? Now I'm just waiting for "BMW" too enter the motogp.
@dg8062
@dg8062 Жыл бұрын
Thank goodness Wa-heed speeds it up a little for these group editorials. Jeez, how many Publications do you have to work for the scrape a living down there?
@CoachAnjo
@CoachAnjo Жыл бұрын
I want one of those supper bike
@cumasimsek2550
@cumasimsek2550 7 ай бұрын
It's nice to listen to you guys, but it seems like you were unfair to Aprilia. How right is it to compare Ducati and BMW's top package with the standard RSV? Wouldn't it make more sense to have a standard S1000RR and Panigale V4s or to modify Aprilia a little?
@Cbum433
@Cbum433 Жыл бұрын
BMW ❤❤❤❤❤❤
@Antmanmoto
@Antmanmoto Жыл бұрын
@23:43 you say that Ducati looks boss with the black paint job, and then two seconds later, the Aprilia looks dated with all black paint job… so is it just one is mat and the other gloss?
@starkparker16
@starkparker16 Жыл бұрын
"You go crazy with hair, I'll go crazy with a stache and we'll see who blinks"
@GIZZMOTORSPORTS
@GIZZMOTORSPORTS Жыл бұрын
The alternate universe where people don't second guess spending all this money. Can you run it back with a K5 gsxr1000? lol.
@JohnMcKown15
@JohnMcKown15 Жыл бұрын
And the Yamaha R1 - the most winning of them all.
@MrPimpmygun
@MrPimpmygun Жыл бұрын
The point of this test was the ultimate superbike,not the best budget liter bike
@GIZZMOTORSPORTS
@GIZZMOTORSPORTS Жыл бұрын
@@MrPimpmygun I hear you. These guys admittedly aren't driving the bikes at their limits. There's also always that chance the shiny new thing isn't the quickest around the track.
@stephenweewoo
@stephenweewoo Жыл бұрын
@@GIZZMOTORSPORTSif you think a R1 can compete with a SP2 I have a bridge to sell you
@jimmyswollnuts7662
@jimmyswollnuts7662 Жыл бұрын
When you own a gsxr you lose your self respect
@ralphwarom2514
@ralphwarom2514 Жыл бұрын
Love the format. Carbon fibre wheels crack much more easily that metal on the road with bumps, undulations and the like. On track......maybe that doesnt matter as much.
@sp00ky1969
@sp00ky1969 Жыл бұрын
Are you sure about that? You might find that your opinion’s a bit outdated with current technology in these wheels.
@ralphwarom2514
@ralphwarom2514 Жыл бұрын
​@@sp00ky1969 I'm not 100% sure. Just seen a lot of reports about cracked Carbon fibre wheels. Carbon Wheels don't bend as much as AL. So any sharp hits cause damage more easily.
@sp00ky1969
@sp00ky1969 Жыл бұрын
@@ralphwarom2514 I think a lot of that was maybe from some time ago. Carbon can be constructed to have the desired properties and some flexibility can be built in and I believe this is done these days. They wouldn’t be certified for road use if they were dangerous to use. They make entire tubs out of the stuff for car tubs, wheels, etc. They make a huge difference to handling and performance and are probably one of the best upgrades you can do for a bike in my opinion. 🤷‍♂️ Try a bike with them if you get the chance and see what you think.
@ralphwarom2514
@ralphwarom2514 Жыл бұрын
Will be a while before I upgrade from my R1. But I will keep my eye out for how the tech has improved. I'd pike the bmw out of those 3. XD
@alberto3874
@alberto3874 Жыл бұрын
@@sp00ky1969 yes some carbon wheels are certified for road use or TUV europeans,in base of this are secure but no secures eternal guaranty , the key its the type of carbon construcción by layers, the tech is really very similar than 20 years ago, alloy,alu or magnesium is a estable metal ,forged or not , the carbon is very Hard and strongest but is 'like' cristal ...
@nickmatulakbarharahap6939
@nickmatulakbarharahap6939 Жыл бұрын
It seems that they sorted out only top 3 whp on stock form
@charleswinter1335
@charleswinter1335 Жыл бұрын
I'm just not sure if comparing 1100 to 1000cc's bikes is the same, it seems to me to be like comparing apples and oranges! But the BMW and the Ducati in this match up seems to be better matched. But, I enjoyed the discussion format, I think I would pick the Aprilia over the other two bikes.
@mrsmagik1680
@mrsmagik1680 Жыл бұрын
They are in the same class of bikes regardless of cc
@charleswinter1335
@charleswinter1335 Жыл бұрын
@@mrsmagik1680 nope! Nit same classes if the engine size differs, that's why the Aprilia makes more power! And that's why Ducati have a 999cc bike that meets the homologation standards (the base model is an 1100 as well), and Aprilia isn't racing in World SBK!
@SchmozzleGTO
@SchmozzleGTO Жыл бұрын
@@charleswinter1335 no, wrong again. Dukes 995/999s v2s make HP equivalent to Supersports of 750 cc inline 4s. 1000 cc 4 = 1100 v4 = 12/1300 v2 or thereabouts. Ref. WSBK/BSB/US SBK
@charleswinter1335
@charleswinter1335 Жыл бұрын
@@SchmozzleGTO lol...nope! Wrong, the rules give room for different cc's based on cylinder counts. That is different in this case because they are all 4 cylinder engines, there are no exceptions for cc's for the same cylinder counts, I believe in the World SBK category a twin cylinder can go up to 1299cc's (I also believe Ducati realized that they wouldn't be able to compete and win with that layout). But with the technology and advancements made, it showed in the late nineties that the scale wasn't balanced, that's why WSBK was considered the Duc Cup! Btw...in WSS there are also differences based on cylinder layout how long a motor must run. V4 = 1000cc's/ 4 inline = 1000cc's, no difference, V4/4-In = 1000cc's/ V2=1299. The Ducati Penegale V4=1100cc's/ V4R = 1000cc's so that they meet the WSBK homologations standards, which Aprilia currently doesn't meet and doesn't participate in WSBK.
@SchmozzleGTO
@SchmozzleGTO Жыл бұрын
@@charleswinter1335 You're wrong buddy... I dont know where your rehashed reply of most of my points comes from but I can assure you a 999 twin's raced GSXR 750s as equals back in WSBK etc. in 90s. WSBK, BSB, Real Road Racing, Irish/N.I./IoM etc. class/restrict SBK's to 4 stroke 750 cc to 1000cc maximum for 4 cylinders, only possibly differentiating inlines with v4s to place roughly in middle of larger capacity twins which are allowed max 1200cc if v-twin. I know this as fact... Im inferring an extra alowance for v4s as Aprilia have raced RSVs but perhaps they run 1000 or less in SBK- not clear how that would work with homologation, perhaps homologation is more about the 'shadow' the bike makes ie must look like showroom bikes. Bottom line- a Superbike is restricted to 750 - 1000 cc/V-Twin max 1200 cc. And the reason, those max limits help slower reving V2s with their larger pistons and often longer stroke to achieve broadly equivalent bhp and therefore closer racing in theory. Dukes v4 999 is crushing it so any concession for v4 may no longer exist, if ever did... 1000 4s vs 1200 twins is absolute fact
@ReshardsAutomotiveWorkshop
@ReshardsAutomotiveWorkshop 11 ай бұрын
4:05 ... I think you all missed it. "Even though it's the fastest, it didn't feel the fastest." APRILIA!
@Supernova12034
@Supernova12034 4 ай бұрын
A friend bought that ducati V4 SP2, cost him about 60k canadian, it didnt have a fuel gauge, or cruise control, and it got so hot it was literally burning him.
@musamusa2961
@musamusa2961 Жыл бұрын
Thank You Almighty God for blessing me I will buy one of each of them
@TSRR-zs6pf
@TSRR-zs6pf Жыл бұрын
Is the BMW still factory limited?
@doublearon230
@doublearon230 Жыл бұрын
You guys should really do a head to head on flashed bikes, with tank grips, and adjustable rear sets, because lets be real here, OEM tanks never give you enough grip, OEM rear sets generally suck, and OEM tunes always suck.
@Shadow0fd3ath24
@Shadow0fd3ath24 10 ай бұрын
why the hell do you need that much grip on the tank? you shouldnt be that hard up against it at all, ive never relied on tnak grip in years of racing on track, nor do motogp guys seeing as their bikes are smooth as baby legs and usually ceramic coated even.
@alanzappa266
@alanzappa266 6 ай бұрын
Ask Jorge Lorenzo. He couldn’t ride the Ducati GP bike worth shit until they redesigned the tank giving him infinitely more grip. Suddenly he began winning races. It was the tank. Very important for rider stability
@alanzappa266
@alanzappa266 6 ай бұрын
⁠@@Shadow0fd3ath24 ask Jorge Lorenzo !!! See my comment below. The tank made all the difference between mid pack race finishes and podium & race wins !!!!
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