Handy Editor Dan Cary tries the Cam Marksman Pro-X1 hidden deck fastener system. handymanclub.com
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@chadhoughton57802 жыл бұрын
Thanks for showing what it looks like after the screw is seated. This is the most important part and you nailed it, thx!
@georgeblank2648 Жыл бұрын
No--he screwed it
@davidruthstrom96697 жыл бұрын
Finally, someone who put up a training video that demonstrated the tools and components so it's easy to see how it works. Thank you!
@RussellLapeze2 ай бұрын
I used the Camo deck fastener on my back porch floor and steps. Very easy to use. After I was finished, my wife asked me when was I going to nail the boards down. Told her that they were already screwed down. She was so used to the old nails always coming up and possibly hurting the grandkids. I redid my porch over two and half years ago and not a single screw has ever come out or up. Made quick work of screwing the boards in place.
@StarveEgo3 жыл бұрын
This tool is the best thing ever made. I’m using it now on my trex and it looks beautiful with no nails showing. Who ever designed this is genius
@keto4life1973 жыл бұрын
If it's as brilliant as You say Festool will buy it so must buy before the price is doubled
@Food-Fire-and-Featherboards9 ай бұрын
Just got one for a deck build next week. Looking forward to it. I have the same drill press as you. Mine is an old one passed down to me from my Dad. Thought it was a lonley relic! Cheers!
@scottmc84823 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video, I have never seen these devices before.
@yeltsin6817 Жыл бұрын
I used this as well. You really need to make sure it is 100% flat down on both sides or you ll have visible screw holes.
@AnthonyRaynor7 жыл бұрын
Just finished my deck and used this system The hidden screw look is worth the extra effort. Make sure the wood is fairly; true as the very small head won't pull a crooked board tight or straight. Highly recommended.
@jmack6194 жыл бұрын
Hi Anthony, Is that deck system still holding up good? jm
@Warren3carpentry4 жыл бұрын
Im gonna give it a try on teo small decks i have to build next week!
@Warren3carpentry3 жыл бұрын
I use this product on my decks now! It works awesome! I made a couple videos on it also!
@bretterdays39544 жыл бұрын
Doing my deck with these was satisfying and the tool works as promised. My only regret is using the the cheaper kit version which only lets you set up one screw from one side instead of two from either side like the pro version. The pro clamping system also appears to be better and the overall build is substantially better. It’s well worth the extra money to get the pro version.
@garyramsdale9340 Жыл бұрын
Kreg makes a jig system similar The screw goes in a little further down the shoulder
@markkean46145 жыл бұрын
This tool is excellent. The screws are hidden from sight, safe for bare foot and they look so much cleaner. I would recommend having a small crow bar and 2x4 handy for boards that are bent. The crow bar to open up tight gaps and the 2x4 to get the boards tight. Work from the middle of the board outwards as this is much easier than starting at one end. The tool will take more time, but the finished look is top notch!
@ThisTall3 жыл бұрын
I’m looking to use this on ultra hard wood and I’m curious how hard it may be to run a predilection bit through the tool first?
@alfredtyrefors33846 жыл бұрын
Heck yeah! This is epic
@jonathanhale83883 жыл бұрын
Thought this would split the board, but glad they designed that it out.
@FarmerFpv3 жыл бұрын
It's the screws that are design not to split the planks because they are self boaring screws. It's nothing new you can use them without a guide once you get the hang of it.
@kenmcf3 жыл бұрын
I have kinda read or heard that face attachment is much better for cupping etc, or maybe stronger. If so, is the difference really a big deal?
@joecool7606Ай бұрын
They look nice, but they are hard to remove if you need to service the deck in the future
@MichaelDaniels Жыл бұрын
Would this tool work with a 2x4?
@ChrisStJohn-sl7lx4 жыл бұрын
This companies web site has a board straightener bar. Use it to close your gaps as you install
@biggj193910 жыл бұрын
We are using this tool on a project for our architecture studio and we have two concerns that you may be able to answer. 1: the holes are quite visible, not so hidden, so would we have to fill in every one if we want the clean? 2: the screw and bit leave marks on the opposite boards, is there a standard routed edge for these to be clean?
@OOpSjm6 жыл бұрын
hidden fastener systems would be more appropriate for architectural specific solution.
@MacAtsch6 жыл бұрын
Yes, I have the same experience. Oposite site is dirty from the screw. There is black stamp. It is not so easy to take the screws out.
@MacAtsch6 жыл бұрын
Still one question. Is the distance between the boards 1,6mm enough? Especialy for outside, like terrace, for example...
@shadowbanned5164 Жыл бұрын
@@MacAtsch Just use deck spacers if you want a bigger gap personally I agree with you for an outside deck you need that gap.
@orirabinovich79452 жыл бұрын
What do you need to change a wooden bar?
@joejoeMan923 Жыл бұрын
I heard it's expensive compared normal screws and tends to split the wood, is this true?
@brandonGCHACHU9 жыл бұрын
These screws are awful if you make a mistake and try to take them out. Run the drill in reverse to try and remove one and they will pull out of the bottom piece of wood but suck themselves deeper into the top piece sometimes. They are a nightmare to get out
@simoncapizzi96895 жыл бұрын
@@nzrockdj Bad mouthing someone giving constructive criticism about a product we are considering buying .. what a douche
@kyleb41515 жыл бұрын
@@nzrockdj Not everything is user error - need to remove a length of deck for any reason, such as repairing a joist? You will have the same issue described by B Dogg.
@bropitt4 жыл бұрын
dually noted, removing a board with ease would be my priority, thank you
@yojimbos13 жыл бұрын
"It's a poor tradesman who blames his tools". Old adage.
@paulslater83384 жыл бұрын
Couple of questions? Can I easily remove a board if it is damaged overtime due to exposure etc and simply just replace again??? and are the screws removable after the boards have been coated with an oil or water base sealer?
@histguy1013 жыл бұрын
The screws are somewhat tedious to remove, and will pull up the board with them. If you're using treated decking or cedar, it is very difficult to find the screw heads, but much easier for composite or Azek boards.
@deanmalkewich23663 жыл бұрын
I just pulled up treated 5/4 “ boards I layed down a couple years ago. Just pry them off with a crowbar, the screw heads pull through fairly easy. Then just reverse the screws out.
@bumblebee90193 жыл бұрын
Are you sure you can't see the screws from the side?
@Phil-wq9uq3 жыл бұрын
Love mine to bits! I noticed that you had the "front" or aiming end, pointed away from the boards that have already been laid. Plus inserting the nail at the front end first. Would this be becuse the "other" way around, pointing at the already finished section, lets the boards slip and increase the gap size? Good video. Much easier to follow that the written word. Who reads the instructions properly the first time anyway!
@scottbiggs88947 жыл бұрын
What about butt joints and boards that are up against walls? It looks like there would be room to use this jig for those cases.
@markkean46145 жыл бұрын
Scott Biggs you should be avoiding butt joints when possible. Water gets trapped between the two boards and the joist promoting rot. Plus minimal room to screw down with two boards meeting at one joist increases the likely hood of boards splitting. Instead add in a stringer at each butt joint (if necessary) and allow for boards to slightly over hang. and any boards against a wall should have at least some gap.
@jonlillevold87993 жыл бұрын
If you start with a board that is close to the wall, what do you do then? As I understand you can't use the tool or?
@chrisburns56913 жыл бұрын
face fasten with a trim head screw, or dap some PL underneath..
@TerrapinCreations6663 жыл бұрын
How do you remove boards later on when they need replacing?
@deanmalkewich23663 жыл бұрын
Just pry them off. The screw pull through the board then you can easily find them to reverse them out.
@michaelprozonic3 жыл бұрын
you simply reverse the drill and they will come out according to their website
@thewiremanbig2 жыл бұрын
I saw this used in a Wild Wonderful Off Grid You Tube video
@percy80s7 жыл бұрын
Does it leave enough gap for the timber to expand with the wet weather?
@looo5716 жыл бұрын
Nope
@markkean46145 жыл бұрын
Andrew purcell more than enough gap. Honestly think it’s too much as boards definitely shrink after install
@chrisburns56913 жыл бұрын
@@markkean4614 you probably had a high moisture content when installing then the boards dried out and bigger gaps developed.
@larrythompson56173 жыл бұрын
It does work great but unfortunately you can not use it along a wall.
@MichaelDaniels Жыл бұрын
Is this for only one size board? If so, how wide is each board?
@teammurdoch Жыл бұрын
Think I saw/read somewhere that the pro tool is adjustable for board width.. But don't quote me on that :)
@MichaelDaniels Жыл бұрын
@@teammurdoch thanks for the reply
@evanstaite147410 жыл бұрын
how much slower is it to use this tool compared to just face screwing?
@EZRIDER3277 жыл бұрын
Evan Staite it does take quite a bit longer but in my opinion it's worth it, no worry about nails or screws sticking up everything's recessed and looks great.
@michaelprozonic3 жыл бұрын
you get board spacing and screwing in one step. no need to worry about the alignment of screw heads on top
@BackyardWoodworking10 жыл бұрын
Nice tool
@PerBjarte5 жыл бұрын
What about when u coms to the end and are close to a wall, how do u get in the screw close to the wall ?
@markkean46145 жыл бұрын
Per Bjarte Pedersen you should be leaving a slight gap close to a wall/house to allow for dirt/debris to fall through, but if even then you don’t have enough room you can simply top screw. That’s what I did on the outer boards as I have an inch overhang on my deck
@rayw24554 жыл бұрын
Per Bjarte Pedersen screw down through the top and let the J Channel cover the screws.
@NotDavidM4 жыл бұрын
Make a pilot hole with a drill at an angle towards the ledger board to get it started.
@BentaygaPainting4 жыл бұрын
How do I fasten the first board right by the house is I can only reach one side of the board? Do i just screw one side?
@482jpsquared4 жыл бұрын
The first course needs to be face screwed. Use CoreTex color matched screws for that one board. That's the only drawback but not a big deal.
@carlosgovea45629 жыл бұрын
Dosent hold as good a good old decking screws
@jakobshinn30327 жыл бұрын
nz rockdj might look like shit but they work. The other screws look "ok" but don't hold for shit
@tommyers24165 жыл бұрын
@@jakobshinn3032 If you don't care what it looks like, use lag screws.
@timlloyd47244 жыл бұрын
Right, they hold better then old screws. Ever toe nail as opposed to face nail.
@monty94634 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't recommend it on merbau deck and hardwood joists. The tool is Tough having been crow barred off screws that haven't gone all the way in. In a pack of 700 screws you only get 2 bits!!!!! In Australia the jig is $140 the screws $125 a box of 700. I needed 2 boxes and used about 1300 total. How on earth can one bit screw in 350 screws. The bits in Australia can be purchased at 10 bux a piece!!!! Each box needs about 5 bits for hardwood. Otherwise the tip dulls and doesn't engage the screw well in the last 5mm of insertion into timber. Maddening. Cut off wheel etc sorts it but it shouldn't be like this. The finished result is really nice but I think it only works 70 percent the way it ought to. Maybe it's just no good on hard timbers. Oh yeah..... Its a really slow process and clamping deck boards up tight to eliminate even slight bends has to be done awkwardly compared to clamping straight boards that have screws in the top. Anyway I don't want to be too unkind about the camo system since I am probably using it at the extremes of its application envelope. Softer timbers should be easy. I notice in the US prices fiur the jig and screws are between half and a third of what we pay here. Australia is seriously a rip off in this way. Anyway good luck to all who try this method.
@marktabije14 жыл бұрын
was almost decided to get this for my DIY alfresco deck.. now seriously having second thoughts.
@violetfrank5814 жыл бұрын
Excellent analysis for Australian conditions.. Thanks
@xstract894 жыл бұрын
Just a question, did you pre drill the holes? Didn't see you mention anything regarding that. I've read it's recommended to pre drill the holes on hardwood with these type of tools (Camo, Essve HDS etc). Don't know if that's why your screws are not going all the way down and putting extra load/wear on your drillbit though, just a thought.
@listen2meokidoki2649 жыл бұрын
WHAT ABOUT "HARD" WOOD!
@HighTeaWithTheQueen3 жыл бұрын
I've used this system, a few timbers have come undone. I don't like this. After just 7months. Winter just ended. It looks terrible. Have to redo everything.
@listen2meokidoki2643 жыл бұрын
@@HighTeaWithTheQueen The Devil is in the detail. Timber species. Plank width & thickness. Weather conditions. Why does everything have to be so difficult? Here's is THE REASON. Blame ALLAH! If you can. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aJucmtadqN6Zj2w.html
@josesanchez19896 жыл бұрын
I bought one last week and for the steep price of $50 it should include a driver. Apparently you have to purchase it separately. I went back to Lowe's looking for the driver and they didn't have it. I had to drive back home to pick up the tool to return it and get my money back. Not to mention the overpriced proprietary screws you have to buy. Bought some deck mate screws and will be fastening it the traditional way.
@Whittssg6 жыл бұрын
Don't you get a driver in each pack of screws?
@georgeblank2648 Жыл бұрын
The driver comes with the screws
@allemansratten428110 жыл бұрын
Couldn't those holes be filled and sanded before the deck was sealed?
@BackyardWoodworking10 жыл бұрын
sawdust and waterproof wood glue might do it
@babybry311 Жыл бұрын
Tool is good but it takes way to much time
@ReverendHogwash4 жыл бұрын
Barely noticeable? OMG those stick out like a sore thumb!
@histguy1013 жыл бұрын
yeah, lol. As long as you're looking straight down at the deck at 90° you won't see the screws, but at any angle you'll see little dark dots everywhere
@muffaloaf Жыл бұрын
What do you think nails are classic screws look?
@blazinrounds230 Жыл бұрын
In real life on green wood the hole pretty much cover the screw home. He showed like the absolute worst case
@TheAdewill9 жыл бұрын
I've been installing decks for 18 years and have used this system on two decks i have built .I'm not impressed
@Joseph-ji3tx6 жыл бұрын
TheAdewill I'm a carpenter and I was wondering why you don't like it?
@timlloyd47244 жыл бұрын
@John M. Need to scab on an extra board to the joist. Then you will have 1 3/4" for each butt end.
@stenmoeller5 жыл бұрын
Marketing movie, not an objective review, if that's what you're after. I was very disappointed.
@traumarnri5 жыл бұрын
@Sten : Is that it?, you are disappointed, so??? Suggest a better system!
@stenmoeller5 жыл бұрын
@@traumarnri 1: If you read what I wrote. "Marketing movie, not an objective review, if that's what you're after. I was very disappointed." Do you need details as to why that is my opinion? 2. The idea of this system in itself is not bad. It's just not good enough for me so I'll stick to the ordinary screws and use plugs for good looks. Lots of work, but I don't mind. In my opinion, there are three problems with the Camo system: You need more distance between the boards when mounting than with ordinary screws. I don't care for the still visible holes on the edges of the board. And finally, you still need ordinary screws on the outermost boards anyway. And these are important factors to me.
@traumarnri5 жыл бұрын
@@stenmoeller Thanks Sten. I rely on experienced guys like yourself for feedback on these "best ever" new systems. I appreciate you returning my comment! Strong work, thanks, tk
@Gtrjerry733 жыл бұрын
But it's not even hidden... lol
@EZRIDER3279 жыл бұрын
LOL so you tried it. It is funny Ive been a LIFE MEMBER of HMCOA since it began and just like this video what a letdown
@EZRIDER3277 жыл бұрын
nz rockdj ok troll , who the hell are you? just an idiot putting rude comment on posts you know NOTHING ABOUT. might want to live what you preach.
@tribalconcrete11 ай бұрын
why the obnoxious music? unbelievable
@AndresAvellano2 жыл бұрын
One of the most absurd tools. It has no use. It only serves to place a screw at an angle. A task that in 6 screws you learn to do without the help of tools like this one.
@Painfulwhale360 Жыл бұрын
It’s designed to make things quicker and more precise. Of course you can do this by hand without the jig but that’s what jigs are for! To speed up the process and provide consistent precision.