I don't understand why Alicent is being compared to Cersei. Between her and Rhaenyra, who's the one with the bastard children trying to install them on the iron throne? Not Alicent that's for sure!

The first woman on the throne and she chooses her bastards as an heir. Even the conqueror couldn't do that.

Rhaenyra Death will be The Most Satisfying one in the show.

In defense of Otto Hightower I see a lot of people talking about Otto Hightower, and the attitude seems to be universally negative. By how the community talks about it, one would think Otto is the most evil, manipulative, self-serving Hand to ever exist. But I think people are really just assuming the worst of his intentions, and failing to understand the difference between what we know and what Otto knows. I'm not saying that Otto isn't ambitious, he certainly is, but he isn't self-serving. In fact, I would argue he is remarkably selfless, and many of the actions he's taken are actually in the best interest of the realm. "Whoring Out" Alicent One of the main things people have been criticizing Otto for is "whoring out" his daughter to Viserys. But this, I think, fundamentally misunderstands the role of marriage and fathers in this world. One has to understand that in this world, marriage among the elite is a political matter, first and foremost. A marriage is less an emotional bond than a political one, especially for women. In a world where noblewomen are disempowered, women are entirely reliant on husbands and fathers. There is very little a noblewoman not one of the lucky few in the line of succession, such as Rhaenyra, can aim to do except marry a man who will allow them to live in comfort, and through whom they can exert power. From this perspective, Otto has been an incredibly good father, as he has secured for his daughter pretty much the best match any noblewoman could ask for - a marriage to the King. And all Alicent had to do was listen to Viserys prattle on about his miniatures for a while. Alicent is now set for life, despite being only the daughter of a second son, and in the future can wield as much or as little power as she chooses. Again, a woman in this world can't hope for much more than to be Queen to a weak and pliable King. If this is her being "whored out," then pretty much every other marriage opportunity for her would also be her being "whored out." Distrust of Daemon The next big thing is Otto's dislike of Daemon. People trot this out as if it's some kind of gotcha, as if disliking and distrusting Daemon can only mean that he's a self-serving power-broker out for himself. But Otto has literally no reason to trust Daemon's good intentions - we, the viewers, know that Daemon loves Viserys like a brother and would never truly harm him, but Otto doesn't. Otto has no reason to believe that someone as ambitious as Daemon wouldn't murder his brother to take his throne. There's historical precedent for a strong, martial brother seizing power from a weaker, more conciliatory brother: Aenys and Maegor Targaryen. Obviously, brotherly love doesn't take you that far with the Targaryens. Then consider what Otto does know about Daemon. He abandoned his wife, an important political match, pretty much because he was bored of her. He has no care at all for rules and laws, and is incapable of being diplomatic. He is ruthless, as evidenced by his "victory" over Gwayne Hightower, and is capable of brutal violence without compunction. And worst of all, he is ambitious - he wants to sit the Iron Throne, and seems to have few qualms about how he get there. Of course he wants enmity between Viserys and Daemon - who wouldn't? With the information Otto has, it must seem incredibly irresponsible to put trust and power in Daemon's hand. He wants Viserys to distrust Daemon, because he really should distrust Daemon. The Kingsguard The Kingsguard selection is a small scene, but its one where I think people definitely are once again reading the worst into Otto's motivations. To be clear here, Rhaenyra isn't wrong to pick Criston. Commoners have been selected for the Kingsguard before, and frequently rise high. The issue is not that Rhaenyra picked Criston over men of noble birth, it's how she went about doing it. These are knights from key houses, who have traveled long distances just for the honor of serving Rhaenyra and her family. Yet rather than showing each knight the respect they expect, she stops halfway through and loudly implies that she thinks the other knights are unworthy. Throughout that entire interaction, Otto was trying to quietly and subtly steer her into showing her subjects the respect they expect, and generally to get her to be diplomatic. The first thing he says is reminding her of her courtesies - if he wanted her to flounder, why would he give her such advice? And when he objects to Criston, he is obviously attempting to subtly get her to be more polite, and hear out everyone before making her decision. He even goes out of his way to not undermine her in public, by never once even saying that he thinks she has made a mistake out loud. And when Rhaenyra overrules him, he makes no attempt to go over her head to stop it. Otto understands that a King cannot rule by force alone, and needs the respect and support of his vassals. Rhaenyra evidently does not, and seems to believe that her dragon exempts her from courtesy. Dragonstone It's astonishing to see so many people criticize Otto for his actions in Dragonstone without even considering the immense physical bravery it took for him to travel right into what is effectively a territory in rebellion, to personally report the King's orders to his most hated enemy. How is it a bad thing to prevent the King from charging headfirst into a hostile territory, especially when said King doesn't even have a dragon? People have been saying that it was to prevent Viserys and Daemon from reconciling, but again, what reason does Otto have to believe Daemon actually wants reconciliation, and doesn't just want to pull a Maegor. He's just seized the King's ancestral holdfast, fortified it with an army of turncloaks, declared himself heir in contravention of the King's clearly expressed wishes, taken a second wife, eerily like Maegor, and stolen a powerful weapon from Viserys. This is a rebellion. A plea for attention, maybe, but a rebellion nonetheless. No Hand in his right mind would let his King put himself in such danger - because Otto doesn't know Daemon's innermost feelings. All he knows is what he sees. Even if Daemon does want to reconcile with Viserys, would that really be a good thing for Viserys? For the realm? Instead of a blunder or a scheme, we now see a calculated gambit. Otto is willing to risk anything, even his own life, to prevent Daemon from becoming King, or expanding his power, and for good reason. It isn't just that he personally dislikes Daemon, it's that he genuinely believes that Daemon will be a second Maegor. He knows there's a chance that he will die, but he is willing to do that to make himself a martyr, and to inspire Viserys and his vassals to deal with the grave threat posed by Daemon once and for all. Either that, or Daemon backs down, which is just as good. Viserys' unwillingness to deal with his brother, who so obviously covets his throne, is a major weakness. Risking the life of the King, because Daemon might try to reconcile him, and might not want to kill and usurp him would be incredibly reckless. Conclusion There's no doubt Otto is ambitious - otherwise, he would not have risen so high, nor would he have tried so hard to make his daughter queen. However, there's a difference between being ambitious, and being self-service. Otto plays the game, but he isn't just in it for his own personal advancement - he wants power and control, but he also genuinely believes that Daemon is a threat to the realm, and is entirely willing to risk his life to protect Viserys from that threat.

Finally someone defending team green on KZfaq ! Thank you

I'm team green too and I believe I am a feminist too..being a feminist doesnt mean you have to support every damn women 💀💀 Also Rhaenyra is a selfish brat she is not fighting for any women's right if she was she would name Baela Driftmark's heir instead of legitimising a male bastard and getting them married so her fans bringing up feminism will always make me laugh..Rhaenyra and Daemon are gonna ruin the realm if they ever get the throne tbh

Aemond's fans compose 80% of Team Green's ranks.

I am a raging feminist and I am team green. The council of 101 made it clear, that it is the eldest legitimate male who ascends to the throne. That is Aegon. It is the law and Vicerys ignores the very law that put him on the throne over Rhaenys. I would love to see a woman on the throne in Westeros, but the law must first be changed. Just because you are king doesn't mean that you can't break the law. That's what Vicerys did by naming Rhaenyra his heir. Also, Alicent did everything that was expected of her. Rhaenyra does what she wants. She shirks responsibility all of the time. Not a great quality for a leader. Aegon would be a rotten king, and would have to be poisoned and replaced...hee hee. But it is his line that is the rightful line.

After the last episode i start to back the greens, whyyyyyy on Earth Viserys decided to marry Alicent and having her have 4 more kids if later he's gonna act like they don't exist and defend blindly everything that Rhaenyra does like i would grow to resent her if i was them too lol I think rhaenyra is too reckless and make everyone deal with her decisions without her facing any consecuenses and with Daemon by her side is so much worse idk i just find more easy to relate to the greens in oposition with the blacks 💚

I agree with you on this. Aegon would be a better king, I was team black but changed my mind after reading the books again and watching the show. Daemon is literally the worst, he killed his wife and murdered an innocent child. Rhaenyra made bad mistakes, one of them is having bastard children and another is not punishing Lucerys for maiming Aemond. In all honesty, I dislike Rhaenyra and she is selfish unlike Alicent who is genuinely a victim here. She married an older man, who showed no concern that his son was attacked and dismissed her concerns.

Rhaenyra and team black don’t care about feminism or women rights, rhaenyra’s is doing what she’s doing because she thinks that the rules shouldn’t apply to her. She literally gives the inheritance to younger sons instead of the eldest daughters in the books.

On a personal level, Alicent is just a better person than Rhaenyra. Rhaenyra does whatever she wants in the moment with no thought to the consequences, and when she doesn't like the consequences of her actions, she blames other people and acts like she's the victim. Rhaenyra's lies cost Alicent's father his job, but Rhaenyra didn't care. Alicent has every right to be resentful about that. And when Rhaenyra starts popping out obvious bastards, but she's still the heir, Alicent has every right to be resentful about that. Rhaenyra's claim is now a double-whammy of invalid, she's a woman and her male children are bastards. Meanwhile Alicent has played by the (very simple) rules and given Viserys legitimate sons like he wanted, but she and her legitimate sons are still being shoved to one side. It's not Alicent's fault Rhaenyrs had bastards and everyone can see it because she was stupid enough to have them with a black-haired man.

*Otto did nothing to deserve being compared to Littlefinger or the such.* He always counseled Viserys with loyalty, even suggesting to marry Rhaenyra to Aegon, a move that would have defused the succession crisis entirely. As a father, he ensured his daughter would marry a man who is at the same time very powerful but also kind and good-natured, a husband who would respect her, never do her harm and guarantee a comfortable position for the rest of her life. A true luxury for noblewomen in Westeros, keeping in mind the political nature of marriage in the nobility. Yes, he furthered his own position by doing so, but so is everyone else.

I love Aegon as a character. When he was young he was another Bobby B, but as a king he got such an amazing development and evolution, the true heir.

The whole team black argument can be dismantled by the fact that [SPOILERS AHEAD] after Rhaenyra and Daemon sneak past Criston Cole and Aemond's army in the Riverlands, they seize Kings Landing and Rhaenyra finally becomes Queen, but she proved to be a terrible one. While the people of Kings Landing starved she was busy hosting glitzy parties and enforcing insanely high taxes (a little like Louis XVI did). Rhaenyra was so unpopular among the common folk that they rioted and ended up slaughtering all her dragons. The Greens however proved to be competent rulers while they were in power, taking over King Viserys' responsibilities after he became old, sickly and frail, as we saw in the show

I think it's just frustrating that Rhae knew this was always going to be difficult and yet she didn't try harder to have legitamant heirs. She did nothing to make her seem like a good choice to be queen. I mean look at how popular her Aunt was.

I also don't get the whole Rhaenyra as a feminist icon when she stole Baela and Rhaena's claim to the Driftmark to her own bastard sons who aren't Velaryons. Alicent should be the feminist icon despite her toxic environment and being constantly gaslit by Viserys, Rhaenyra, and Otto (especially when Viserys was more worried about Rhaenyra's rumors than his disabled son) she still manages to be brave and strong to defend her family and her sons. "You may do as you wish, husband when I'm cold in my grave." is such a badass line of a woman not limiting her actions because of her husband.

I back team green bc rhaenrya isn't a trust-worthly queen. She's too reckless and has no regard for consequence.

I support the greens mainly because I really hate what Rheanyra children did to Aemond.

I heard that after the civil war it was said that if a women sits the throne again we shall dance again

Even if greens wouldn't be there rhaenyra have made the war inevitable. I don't think daemon would let her bastards have the throne instead of his and her's children so if greens wouldn't be there the war would be between rhaenyra's kinds , her actions made it inevitable in any way .

I just like the Green Dragons better. Vhagar is Godzilla in dragon form. Sunfyre is fantastic. Tessarion is blue.

Daemon would have killed all his wifes, half siblings. Hell he might have went after his wife's bastards and made it look like an accident.

The most valid argument for greens is that Viseris had no legal right to choose his successor. He would have to either overwrite the whole sucession system to Dornish - something the lords would never accept. Or send his son to Citadel/Watch/Faith like Rendyll Tarly did to Sam.

Rhaenyra is just Cersei, but this time the protagonist

It would be historically accurate for Agon the second to take the throne.

The Iron Throne is Aegon 2's, by right. All those who deny that are my foes.

If I'm not mistaken the great council was called to settle the succession, and it was actually between Viserys and Laenor not necessarily Rhaenys. The reason why Rhaenys was considered is because she has a male heir at the time of the great council. She is the Queen who never was because at time of her father's death Dragonstone was pass to her uncle, Viserys' father. That means there is a precedent that a woman will not inherit the throne in the presence of a male heir. Also, when Viserys' father died Dragonstone was inherited by him and what the council did was solidify his claim to Dragonstone. At that time it was clear that the Iron throne will not be inherited by a woman nor pass to a male heir through her. Viserys made a mistake when he declared Rhaenyra his heir because he broke the very precedent that made him King. That is the reason why we can't blame it all to the greens, to them the law is clear and even to Viserys himself. The difference is he choose to be blind and do as he likes even though he knows that things will go wrong.

In ep 7 aemond was right and bullied in this scene.they all ganged up on him and started beating him for no reason.beala and her sister were acting like spoilt brats claiming the dragon was theirs when dragons are not inheritance! Also she said vhagar was their mothers but laenas mother didnt have vhagar and yet she got vhagar so its clear it doesnt work that way.the sisters baela and laena were acting like self entitled spoilt brats who started bullying and beating aemond and tbh i expected rhaenyra sons to be better than to support their cousins when they are clearly wrong.vhagar is rightfully aemonds and it was unfair to him.but then again i havent seen this show.. Also i havent seen the whole show only clips sometimes but rhaenyra seems like a bad person who cares only for her own self and is inhumane

another thing about the bastards that inherited lands and holdfasts. They were legitimized by a king. Jace, luke, and joffrey were not

I am team green because Rhae has prove over and over again to be a awful politic, plus Daemon will have power and that is no good news. He may even try to murder Aegon, Aemond and Daeron just so Rhae's claim will not have competition. Otto and Alicent know how to rule, they have prove themseles as great leaders

Daemon Blackfyre, the brothers Toyne, the Vulture King, Grand Maester Hareth... traitors have always paid with their lives... even Rhaenyra Targaryen. She was daughter to one king and mother to two more, yet she died a traitor's death for trying to usurp her brother's crown -the rightful king of the seven kingdoms

5:39 "Your honour, he supported the One True King, he can't possibly be wrong!"

I think it’s also worth noting that at the Great Council, the two claims that were seriously considered were Viserys and _Laenor_, not Rhaenys. And even still, Viserys won 20:1. That shows you how strongly the Lords of Westeros felt about male vs female succession and how huge the issue of Viserys’ succession was when Aegon II was born.

I think that the only solution would have been to marry Aegon to Rhaenyra from the beginning, or marry Rhaenyra to Harwin or Daemon from the beginning to eliminate the bastard issue. The greens weren't inherently bad, but they all were not great people.

An interesting discussion. Many of the main characters in this story are morally gray, neither all good nor all bad. That's what makes them so compelling. But since the focus here is on the Greens, one wonders what the Dowager Queen Alicent would say if asked whether winning the Iron Throne is worth the price that must be paid to sit on it. That she ultimately comes to hate the color green is a strong indication of what her answer might be. Food for thought.💚💚💚🖤🖤🖤

LETSS GOOOO !!! TEAM GREEN ALL DAY EVERYDAY 💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚

Finally! A green perspective on YT😌

I'm team green because of The Kinslayer

I’m team “everyone is an ahole.”

Crazy how Sea snake will allow bastards to be lord of Driftmark and he is just allowing it blindly? If the book is written like this I would of stopped reading by now. Great powerful men bending the knee to a women with bastards? Viserys is the cause for this war, worst king. He overlooked his daughter being a Jezebel but cast his brother to dragon stone when he embarrassed him? He was tyrannical king who ruled with emotion and Otto was his logic.

Then theres me who supports Team Green because green is my favorite color 😂

Go team 💚

I support team Green for two reasons 1. Alicent always did her duty for her family and for her king. Rhaenyra always shirked her duty and did as she desired. Rhaenyra expected all seven kingdoms to go along with her being the heir even though she did very little to shore up alliances and support outside her own family and friends. Alicent put a lot of work into getting the best possible outcome for her children. 2. Aemond

In the books, it wasn't 100% sure Rhaenyra children were bstards (it was assumed, hinted at because of how Lenor lived, his lifestyle), remember, Rhaenys was dark haired and eyed; so, the children could have taken after the Baratheons; but, like Viserys said (in the show), regardless of their father, they are of Valyrian blood, so, it truly didn't matter... Even after Agone became an adult, Viserys didn't change, making him his heir because Rhaenyra was the lesser əvil of the two...

Damn right, The Greens all the way. The characters on that side are much more likable as well like Alicent, Otto, Ser Criston, Larys Strong. On the Blacks its just Rhaenyra and Daemon.

I see people comparing Alicent to Cersei, but it's clear that Rhaenyra was more like Cersei than Alicent was. Rhaenyra had three obvious bastard children. So did Cersei. Rhaenyra was willing to wage war to put her illegitimate children in the line of succession. So did Cersei. Rhaenyra had sexual relations with a family member. So did Cersei. The only reason Alicent was fighting was because she wanted to keep her children alive. Even if she didn't want to do it, Rhaenyra would have to kill her siblings so her claim wouldn't be questioned. Robert did the same thing, even though he didn't want to do it.

in terms of tradition Aegon should rule. democracy, the common folk want aegon in it. is he the best for the realm? no.

I mainly dont support rhaenyra because she was chosen due to emotion and not logic and the fact that despite having a male line viserys didn't try to have another council because he knew they'd choose his son who had legal children vs rhaenyra who basically had bastards

😭😭😭 i thought i was alone

I don't, but I did enjoy the video. I enjoyed hearing it from the other side.❤

I support the Greens all the way, Viserys never changed the rules of sucession, he just named Rhaenyra his heir out of fear of what Daemon could do, if Viserys cared about changing the "patriarchy", he would first change the rules of sucession, then a few months later, name Rhaenyra the heir. Second, Rhaenyra's strong sons, besides being good people, shouldn't inherit the Iron Throne or Driftmark, it's just not fair to everyone that followed the law correctly.

Thank you!

Only one side has commit murder against the kings council, killing innocent in order to strengthen your claim is where the greens crossed the line, bastard children doesn't give them the right to usurp the throne, they should have taken the Ned route, and faced the consequences, find proof, or except your new Queen and respect your old Kings wishes

I am a Team Green fan all the way. While yes I believe the firstborn son should get it, because they have to carry the last name. Can women carry the last name? No. Show me any man who is willing to carry their wife's last name.... that guy doesn't exist and if he does, he isn't fit to be a husband, a father nothing. I notice the hypocrisy of Team Black and I see Rhaenyra suffering from "entitled white feminist female privilege". This conflict and divide in the fandom is the same as the political divide we're suffering in real life. This is a moral failing in society when a huge portion of the fandom fail to see their own hypocrisy. I write about Daemon in another comment but let me also state that Rhaenyra is the classic archetype for female white feminist privilege, while they accuse Team Green of "misogyny" they ignore Daemon's toxic masculinity simply because he "simps" for Rhaenyra, their love for Daemon is a misguided psychology because Daemon wields raw physical aggression. They overlook Daemon's brutality and self entitlement because he is submissive towards Rhaenyra and he is Team Black's blunt instrument in wielding violence to subdue its enemies. Their approval for Daemon proves not only their hypocrisy but the fact that any kind of worldly authority good or bad cannot exist without the "male strength" to enforce it. Think about it. If Daemon is eliminated, Rhaenyra has no real power to enforce her position. About Rhaenyra, she acts without any thought of bad consequences just like every "baby Momma" and she gives zero shit for the well being of her bastard kids who are in the state through of no fault of their own, just because their mother suffers from female privilege. "I am a sexually liberated female... I can express my sexuality and fuck whoever disagrees... I can upend the whole system just because I feel like it, 'Cause I gotta be me". That's her attitude.

Rob skips his sisters bc one was missing and assumed dead and the other was captive to their enemies and would have inherited winterfell if he named her his heir

Finally the someone sees green's side of the conflict

It's clear Viserys never cared about following Westerosi inheritance laws. He made Daemon his heir and most people accepted this despite an uncle before a daughter is against westerosi succession. And all future targaryens believed women could not be monarch. It's similar to French royal succession laws. Where its always any male relative over a daughter of a king. But I'm pretty sure that didn't necessarily apply to nobles and their seats.

I like the Starks more than Lannisters...so yeah going with the blacks. Both sides suck but Starks are the ones that tip the scale.

By the fact that a whole council was called by the king before her father just to make Rhaenys miss being the sovereign did set a precedence, we support Rhaenyra because of modern sensibilities, but the Greens are certainly in the right. Viserys was a weak king, thus he caused confusion where none should have existed.

I've slowly came around to the green team. My biggest thing is how can you support a line of seccession for all the other lords but the crown gets to make their own rules? Plus I can't stand Emma D'Arcy.

Yes i support you

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In the end the right person sat the Iron Throne and the dragons got killed off. Happy ending.

I'm Team Green just because the Green characters are more interesting and nuanced than the Black characters.

I'm team dragon. Dragons are cool. Dragons don't start wars over some stupid iron chair. I will say this, I really like how each character is written in the show.

The realm would be better if the Greens won. We would have another Robert like reign with the Counsel keeping the peace. It would probably mean the end of the dragon lords after time, but since we all know that the Dance leads to the downfall of that anyway

Which side should be supported is pretty much which source is canon which are the books. In the show I support team green out of a combination of pity, Daemon being the worst, and Rhaenyra sleeping around I guess. In the books however lets go down the list which I believe gives team Black the moral and legal high ground 1. Unlike in the show, Alicent definitely spread rumors that a nine year old Rhaenyra slept around, to make things worse for all we know Jacaerys, Lucerys, and Joffrey were legitimate blood related children of Laenor. 2. Unlike in the show Alicent definitely has been planning the coup for years 3. By the exact same rules the greens upheld, near the end of the war, the greens would not be on the throne after Aegon II as Maelor was torn to shreads, Aegon II was likely infertile after being burned alive, and the other two sons of Alicent were quite literally dead in a ditch. 4. Literally the entire nation swore oaths and team green killed pretty much anyone who tried to keep said oath.

Well all know "legitimacy" is a disturbing argument to make, right? That's basically an endorsement of patriarchy. Viserys named Rhaenyra his heir because he saw the folly of obsessing about male heirs after it killed the woman that he loved. There's also nothing actually wrong with being a "bastard" either. Yeah, those changes will be met with outrage, but we never progressed past medieval times by clutching to those type of outdated ideals out of fear, so I don't know why you would support that line of thinking. I'm not saying either side is to be rooted for, that's not that point of the story. I expect George himself would say the same thing. That said, I find being on the "Green" team even more puzzling out of the two. Some of the characters on that side are more morally grey, like Alicient or Aemond, and Haleana is the purest character on the show, but Otto, Aegon, and Criston are about as defensible as Cersei, Tywin, or Joffrey. The black side....they're no heroes, but I can see someone maybe rooting for them like they would for a Stannis type of character. He does bad things, yet it at least feels like there is some sort of code that he has. Rooting for either side is faulty in this story, but rooting for the Green side to me is especially like "wtf?" lol. I will say this about the Black side......the Blood and Cheese incident is where they officially become more explicitly amoral, selfish and petty like some of the Green characters in the show. At least in my opinion.

It’s pretty clear the show WANTS people to be team black considering one of the show runners I think called Alicent a “woman for trump” lol it’s so transparent what they are trying to do here. That being said the blacks are just terrible lol.

Do you gonna upload a video about episode 10?

FINALLY SOMEONE!

Rhaenyra was next in line for the throne, if she was male her children would be heir to the throne. They were trying to establish equal rights, morally the blacks are just, but by law the greens are in the right. But I say laws are sometimes created to subjugate and control others. Just because it's law dosent mean it's right.

About Rhaenyra’s kids…they are bastards but I’m not sure that has anything to do with Viserys naming her his heir. The Green supporters sticking to that point so strongly doesn’t help their case IMO

Stannis is the one true king by right!!

I'm pretty sure they're going to change the presentation and dialogue next season to sway the viewers to change sides. Both sides were wrong, however the things the blacks end up doing could be considered worse than what the blacks did. Viserys in the show was supplanted by his own court, he should have listened to his brother and married his daughter to him and put an end to the argument before it could be had. But if that happened we wouldn't have such an amazing story to follow

Team Green forever!

Imagine backing the team where the “leader” of that team doesn’t even back his own team 🤡

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Remember Robb/Stannis presumed Arya dead and Sansa was politically unavailable. In any normal circumstances legitimate sisters would come before any bastard. Bastards are any one born outside of marriage period. Jon and Edric are not legal member of the family nor in the normative line of succession just because their fathers were trueborn paramount lords. Rhaenyra's sons are illegitimate according to the law and customs because they are not children with her husband, thus making them unfit to be born heirs to either Rhaenyra's claim or Harwin's claim, and especially not Laenor's claim. And you are totally right about the possibility of Rhaenyra ordering the deaths of her siblings and their lines. Your example of Queen Elizabeth I speaks for itself.

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At first I supported the greens too... Later on the crimes they did to each other made me support no one They were both extremely mean with each other and the ones who paid the heavy price of their arrogance was their children especially Aegon's children . Stronger claim to the throne had Aegon rhaenyra had her daddy's support and later on her husband without those two she wouldn't dare to start a war.

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Every time I think about this show, I don’t think either side is correct on who should be the heir to the throne. Because both side has a little bit of hypocrisy in them.

I believe in team green supremacy

Also it's implied that maybe those sons are strong 's and not valerians who aren't black so it's not obvious like on the show so they had no DNA and no way to tell so wrong again

I completely agree with this. Every single argument made here is like I'm listening to myself. Well done my friend. Go greens! :D

I agree with everything except Deamon was a psychopath.

Incredibly based

The blacks end up on the throne

Everything is right but you are forgetting that Viserys choose Rhaenyra as his heir and never changes idea till death. so the greens were unloyal to the crown and committed treason when they decide to go against the will of the king and conspirate for killing the daughter of the king and crown Aegon. we could say that Viserys was wrong choosing Rhaenyra as his heir and if he nominated Aegon as his heir there would be no war. Deamon is psycho but he would never go in war against the willing of Viserys. the same for Rhaenyra and the Velaryons.

>legitimacy >literally going against the legitimate, named heir.

So i've seen alot of comment's mainly mention Rhaenyra's bastard children as a reason to not support her. Her situation with her bastard children is WAY different to Cersei with her bastard children, Jace, Luke and Joffery all have Valyrian blood, and they are Targaryens through Rhaenyra, Cersei's children were not Baratheon's, as Cersei was a lannister. And as it was stated in Episode 7, Laenor could not give Rhaenyra children, and as her duty was to provide heirs for when she ascends The Iron Throne, she had to get those children from someone, insert Harwin Strong. Viserys as king, gets to decide who becomes King or Queen after him, he knows of the illegitimacy of Rhaenyra's Children and does not care, i don't believe for a second he is 'blind' when it comes to their parentage, cause at the end of the day, they are Targaryen's in blood. Corlys doesn't care about their blood either, they have the Velaryon name and that is all that matters to him.

lol whatever side daemon on I’m on FOH with that other shit

Symbols of 'legitimacy' don't mean anything in a kingdom with selective succession (that is a kingdom where the ruler selects their heir). If you weren't chosen as heir and the chosen heir is still alive you are not the heir, you are a usurper. Edit also the male primogeniture thing, male primogenature are andal and first men laws, the targaryens had primogenature/selective succession, aegon the conquerer chose his first son as heir, aenys chose his oldest son (Aegon the uncrowned) and second child over his first born a daughter yes but the two were married so he basically chose them both. After maegor usurped the throne and killed a few of his nephews he chose Aerea, aegon the uncrowned, over her male uncle jaehaerys. I won't go into jaehaerys' heirs because most of them end up dying before taking the throne but while be did set a president of choosing men over women it was never set as law. This is the crux of the argument at the end of the day president says Aegon yes but law says Rhaenyra

But what does her children have to do with her father naming her heir?

I only support them because of my crush Aegon II Well also because daemon is an a**hole

The only person in the Greens who I feel for is Alicent surprisingly even though I hated her in the series. She put so much work into her her marriage, family the realm and followed the rules and respected her husband only to gain nothing from it at the end. Even her death was sad, after watching everyone from the story due before her. What a tragic end for someone who did right for so long. That said, I still think the King’s word is law and if the King wants his daughter to be his heir then he had the right to do so, but like he had the right to marry his cousin.

We can argue over whos the better choice (though id rather support mushroom than choose between the usurper and maegor with tits) but at the end of the day for better or worse Viserys choose Rhaenyra as his heir. We know Andal custom is based on primogeniture, but we also know the Targaryens are not subject to Andal laws and customs through exceptionalism. While Jaehaerys choose to assemble a great council to help him decide his heir Fire and Blood never states that a male legally has the right of inheritance over a woman if the woman was the designated heir, we are simply told that many BELIEVED the male line has the right of inheritance. As for Rhaenyras bastards they were accepted by the King, his designated heir and their father. Their betrothals to their Targaryen cousins meant their Valyrian blood would stay pure so future generations wouldn’t have a problem bonding with dragons. Ultimately while I do see the reasonings behind people supporting Aegon (the council, Rhaenyras bastards, and future westerosi calling Rhaenyra a usurper) the best claim still resides with the designated heir: Rhaenyra Targaryen.

I can't imagine how so many people can watch this show and miss the point. This war caused so much death and destruction to westeros and the small folk. The targaryen family was nearly destroyed and all most all of the dragons which was the source of there power. Both sides are foolish.