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the *have* to? you sure about that? how do you know that those models who shave their heads aren't *choosing* to do this?

@@marie-francoiset9402 They have to shave it because back then it was deemed beautiful and NOBODY knew how it wanted to style it.

@Orange300 i wouldve said no. ppl do too much just for fame then get mad when they give too much. they just should've said no. Or maybe they weren't upset about it but only the audience is.

then stop hating on mixed people you people are targeting the wrong people how about you hate the white people that made those double standards it’s not mixed peoples fault they were born mixed

Also 4a hair.

​@@miniminott48 undefined 4a hair sure.. But wash and go type styles, 4a is a very 50/50 thing

@@michalovesanime agreed! i have 4a hair and i feel it’s seen as the “lesser sin” of the type 4 hair category, since it still forms defined s-pattern ringlets, similarly to type 3 hair(although smaller/tighter). texturism should center around 4b/4c hair.

@@michalovesanime kind of agree it's def 50/50 in my own daily experience. I notice the response and looks I get when I don't have a bunch of ultra-defining curl products in my hair vs if I just wash/condition and throw in a little leave-in lotion and peace out (at work & out-and-out). I have APL 4a/4b hair.

Yea they blow me with that. Or those channels who show other hairdressers(who aren't black)doing "black hair", but they are type 3 🙃 AND FOR THOSE IN THE BACK IK SOME BLACK PPL CAN HAVE TYPE 3, (MY GUY COUSIN HAS TYPE 1 and both parents are black) but majority of us that have both black parents have type 4

Ikr!!!

Every time for real!

Yassssssss! Sis is lookn snatched

Serving squared

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I 4c. (I agree).

Like literally!!!

THIS!

They love to broadcast the message that the reason 4B/4C hair is not curly, shiny, clumpy, etc is because it’s not being “taken care of properly.” The bill of sales they are peddling is that 3C hair is the way all afro-textured hair can and should look with “proper care” and anything other than that is just neglected and damaged hair 🙄🤦‍♀️

@Kay Kronicals ⬆️ 1000% THIS!!!

Well just to let you guys know tightly curled hair is real hair and straight hair is fur It’s scientifically proven. Although I find all hair is great if it’s growing out of your head. 4B/4C is absolutely stunning. It doesn’t look dry to me at all. It is so unique. I actually don’t like like when women oil that hair up. I find staying hydrated inside and using teas and essentials gives my hair all the love it needs. I too am a freeformer.

Well Black women have real hair, can't say about other groups of "people"

3C hair is still seen as unprofessional to white people. I have no idea where black women got along thinking it was but that's never been the case.

I agree that 3c hair should not be centered, but to say that those with 3c hair often have non-black mothers is really out there. Hair type can be attributed to a lot of genetic factors. It’s not just determined by the maternal line.

@@CyberMachine agreed! Maybe they work in companies and spaces with a lot of black folks, so that’s influencing their perceptions? I can tell you that in white majority companies, even extremely curly-haired white women don’t walk around with their hair out unless it’s straightened. Now of course kinky-haired textures have it harder overall regarding texturism, but to act as if 3c curly hair is considered professional everywhere is a reach as well.

One of the reasons that the a certain phenotype is now representing Blackness in advertisements is that the casting agents white women. Many of whom have biracial children. I took my daughter to a casting call and every child that didn't look "mixed" was immediately dismissed even though the casting call was for Black girls. A few of the girls who were there with their white mothers were dismissed because they didn't look mixed enough. My family is from New Orleans so we are Black but look "biracial." A white mom of a biracial girl asked if I was, and I told her I was not. When her very brown daughter was dismissed she had the nerve to tell the casting agent while pointing at my daughter "Well she isn't really biracial!" I understood the agenda loud and clear.

I have relatives with hair like Lori Harvey and Chili (TLC) with two Blk parents. In addition, these relatives have both siblings and children with type 4 hair.

Big facts P.s I 💜 your hair

@@LifeBeLife-ingthank you 💜

It’s not by some people, and I think it depends on the culture/community, but definitely not at the scale of 4c. I grew up in a predominantly Mexican area, and there were a ton of 3b/c latinas frying tf outta their hair with flat irons everyday. What is considered “good hair” in our community is considered “pelo malo” in theirs.

There’s a difference between professional and accepted, they might not be considered professional but they see it as acceptable enough. Discrimination for them also translate into the workplace as being ignored or invisible. Example, they may not attack you because of your hair but every other aspect that they believe is "other"

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It really is! The lack of representation of dark-skinned Black women, especially those with 4c hair, makes me itch.

Yes please! I wish they would knock off the shenanigans! I have so called 3C hair and when I stopped doing all types of hair gymnastics with puddings, gels and foams so that my curls were "poppin," I would get comments at work - from Black people. We have to accept who we are. We are beautiful when we are kinky, nappy, curly, crunchy and coily. Mayowa is one of most beautiful content creators on KZfaq and we need to see more people who like like her across platforms and in advertisements.

@@GeeBee212 We gotta accept the crunchies too, huh? 😂 You sho’ right!

@@Superlife1369 You know I'm rolling my eyes at you! Yes the crunches too!!!!!

For me I can say I am someone that doesn’t fit that rule😂 I have type 3 hair but when i get out of bed, it will have dried and shrunken very easily and people say “do your hair” and assume I have type 4 hair. When my hair is not moisturized or the shrinkage has set in I’m made to feel ashamed of it. When the curls are loose and bouncy, it’s “how did you get your hair like that” or “what do you use” like hun let natural hair be natural hair and stop picking on me when my hair appears in a state you don’t deem “desirable.” And it’s always by (older) black people too. Like why are they so ashamed?

I have 4a hair and ppl always ask when I will do something with my hair.

As a lightskin black woman with 3c hair, i agree that 4c hair is looked down upon way more. I don’t understand why they picked a lightskin woman with looser curls for their campaign. However i hate how whenever stuff like this happens people feel like they have to act like people with a closer proximity to whiteness don’t experience stuff, just to prove a point. Two things can be right at once. People with 4c hair should be centered and experience by texturism the most. That doesn’t mean people with 3c hair don’t experience it. Especially as someone who grew up with 3c/4a hair in a white area, seeing my biracial friends get complimented on their long 3b curls when my hair was ridiculed. People with a closer proximity to whiteness WITHIN the black community being pedestalized, does not equal us not experiencing the same discrimination within today’s society.

how do you know this? are you typically watching someone with curly hair get out of bed in the morning?? what? you know y'all can make your point without low key shading other bw's hair. and stop with the made up typing. those number are making you lose your minds. its' not even real

@@risenshineee7053but u don’t experience the same discrimination as us darkskin kinky 4c hair girls tho

Honestly ! I love her ❤

Yea! This time they need to be left out. But tbh i think thats why alot of bw joined it. If it was strictly type 4…i doubt they would like it

As someone with a looser texture I completely agree !!! A lot of us never had relaxers or anything anyway so it wouldn’t make any sense. I just say I have curly hair and leave it at that . Even tho I used to Beg my mom for a relaxer. So thankful she never gave me one 🤣

Agreed!

No. They should be a part of it. Just not the main feature. Bc curly girls have been shamed for their curls too. You all just don't realize it. This touches everyone except straight hair.

@@Leilexa Looser curled girls got their shot in the first round. All the women making money from “natural hair care” searches were women that looked just like you. They got their money and bounced, leaving all the type 4s in the dust.

omgg thats so bad im sorry. yeah I've heard other people express things like this too. smh our natural hair is always deemed as a problem.

@@princessprincess7708 unfortunately this is common, I know countless stories. Please don’t be so quick to dismiss something just because you may not have experienced it.

​@@c45177once while working at bumb a** boutique😂.. they tried to ask me to come in looking like the other girls ( they wore makeup wigs etc). I was always dressed nice (never wore makeup and wore my hair natural ( I didn't stay there long)😅

how could they force you to put a band around your head in class?? and you just did it?? what school is this? are you a minor? This story doesn't really hold water.

@@c45177 it's not that someone else hasn't experienced it, its that this particular story makes zero sense. so she just did what they said? didn't complain to someone?

@@princessprincess7708 notice the quotes?? She's quoting what others say. NOT what she thinks. Come on. Stop looking for fights.

yeah exactly, thats the narrative we need to be hearing from.

YES. THIS. 😢

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I am black and i have 3a 3b hair

@@mipanszouzouzouzoumipans7233 Black hair refers to hair that is exclusive to people of African descends aka 4a/4b/4c. The hair people discriminate against. You can be black and have 3a/3b hair but it's not black hair. Stop making this about you!!!

​@@-of7mb 4a hair isn't black hair. It's literally curly and the only "acceptable" type 4 hair

@@thisiscloudiiB Go start your BS with someone else. Thank you

For folks to be authentic and actually acknowledge Black women is really and hard stretch for them.

as someone with 3c/4a hair, i agree!

@@myaabby2753 yup

I have 3c/4a hair and I agree!! I have always been referred to as the "dark-skinned girl with the pretty hair", it was always used as a positive against my "negative" skin tone.

Maybe it’s seen as professional in workplaces with a lot of back folks, but it’s definitely not in non-black spaces. Even extremely curly-haired white women will straighten their hair to look more “professional”. 4b/4c black woman definitely have it harder and face more discrimination and texturism for their hair at incomparable levels to their 3c/4a counterparts, but let’s not make inaccurate statements .

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I have 4C hair and you are reaching with this one. The number 1 is straight just like the hair it represents, that’s one thing. Also the more intense something is the higher the number should be that represents it. A level 4 earthquake is more intense than a level 1 and a level 4 curl is more intense than a level 1 (non-existent) curl.

We got that 4C or should be better known as 9-ether hair. Look it up. It is more intense than a lower numbered level ether….

@@Superlife1369 4c hair was here first, no shade

It's a madeup system devised by Oprah's hairdresser to sell his product line. Instead of accepting this hair-typing as something real (when in reality it was just sold to you to sell something) why don't you just stop using it altogether. Stop classifying and 'typing' your own hair. you're just being manipulated

You never know…..we can be our own worse enemies due to self-hate🤷🏽‍♀

@@talisha5863 very true

Yes

@@princessprincess7708 more importantly it won’t be confused with curly hair because in many ways products used as well as how it is handled along with tools and technique, how it is perceived in the workplace is quite different!

Black people(darkskin) also can have type 3 hair, I don’t know why yall think curly hair is exclusive to mixed people. Black people have type 4 to type 3 hair and different shades of darkskin.

@@MrAuthenticity999 well DUH, the point is that texturism is specifically abt kinky hair, and yes black ppl can have looser curls but so can non blacks, so how is that looser curl texture the face of “black hair” that literally makes no sense. When we think of black hair we think very kinky, because it’s the hair texture that most blacks people have and the most associated with black people, DUH.

@@rinarina9424 then stop calling mixed people black then, you guys complain about representation while simultaneously calling half breeds black, it’s contradictory, especially when you know non blacks will elevate them above blacks due to their phenotypical adjacency.

It’s giving Tia Mowry steeze. That is biracial hair. That is not Black hair🙄

@@LoveLaRieXO keep coping lol

Dove/unilever and almost every major cosmetics conglomerate (US/EU) actively promotes skin bleaching in MANY countries that have no laws or awareness around hydroquinone and related chemicals. They would put it on babies if they could :( we need to stop relying on these companies to represent us or even do the right thing, ALL of it is pretense to get our money.

Had the same experience. Had my locs for 8 years. They’re down to my belly button now and everyone wants to know what I’m mixed with. It’s always “what are you mixed with” instead of “ARE you mixed”.

You would be surprised at what major brands market overseas. From Johnson and Johnson , to L’Oréal and Revlon, all sell skin bleaching products in the Asian and sometimes the African markets.

Sounds micro aggressive if you ask me…

Why say dry?

@@angelc8737 If you've chased moisturizing 4C hair to appear aesthetically acceptable for decades, you'll know.

Let's make some, and tell Everyone we know to Stop buying dove 👊🏾

This is why i stopped using dove

The bad is old. And the white woman turned into an Asian woman as well. Selective clips will trigger unnecessary outrage.

@@LoveAndSnapple that doesn't matter. if this ad was real it was horribly offensive. it doesn't matter if it's old or if it was part of a series of ads, it's still not something that should've been happening at all. I think the only way this could be excused as "a product of the times" is if it came from like the 1920s, which it clearly did not.

@@k4nd1incyb3rsp4c3 Okay, how is it offensive? If women are taking off their shirts into different women, how is a snapshot offensive? Is it just that part or is it the entire thing? The black community can never truly cancel anything. They just get mad for a little while, look left and right to see if no one‘s looking, and go back to buying that thing that everyone was so angry about a moment ago. People are still shopping at H&M when with that monkey ad, people are still shopping at Gucci despite its consistent, blatant racism. And people are definitely still purchasing from dove.

@@princessprincess7708 Actually majority are in what is now called "protective styles"... braids, weaves, wigs etc I live in Nairobi... and honestly it's rare to see women (my family members included) in their natural hairs out. I understand why but this is the reality

@Mel C haven't mentioned permed hair anywhere and thank you for educating me about the location of Nairobi. I appreciate 🙏🏾

I mean people care wear their hair how they want....I'm just worried about their health lol. You sound like a hater.

That is not true, plenty of parts of Africa have not been touched by colonialism.

@@AnimalLover2400 Are you replying to me? If so, that's why I specified "parts of Africa".

that part.

Thing is some of those places, We have no choice but to navigate them daily. So demanding to have a modicum of respect if not legal rights, is very valid.

Exactly! The world is RACIST! Dove is not owned or controlled by light skinned or biracial people

These are supposed to be our spaces. These are our conversations, yet they have hijacked the mic.

@@txLALA dove is your space

It's easy to say, but remember we live in the world! We ( as black people in the diaspora) are not an island, where what happens around us doesn't affect our mindset and development. The amount to damage done by the time we are old enough to recognise our beauty ( as black people) is not to be dismissed. I, for one, am grateful for the people who highlight and push back against damaging messaging and actions, for the sakes of all our children.

thank you!!

Don't give a fuck.