Afraid not. They are good in the wet though. If you watch my review vid you’ll see a picture of the cracking on the front left. All 4 tyres are doing this now. Your reports of A052 wear are correct, but they are fast. It all depends what you want from the tyre. Lap time? Life? Wet grip? Cost? Personally, as a balance of all the above I think the star marked cup 2 from the M2 are great so long as you have enough camber. I get them used but nearly new. So much cheaper and last ages. And are fast 👌

Thank you 🙏 The car runs camber plates, 3deg front/2deg rear, B16 shocks, EBC RPX pads and a Litchfield map with stock engine/exhaust. Tyres would last for ages in these conditions but were already quite dead. I wanted to finish them off but they’re still ok.

Thanks. I love the way your cars seem to have good front end grip so you can back it in. Thinking about m4 for track also as last trackday at thrux I did 2 sets of rear in just the morning. Only really lighting them up in the chicane. This is a c63 so probably a good 3-400kg heavier. I was considering m140, then decided 981 boxster or m4.

Good effort 👏👏😂 M4 is such a good track car as you have all the right ingredients out the box. All you need is camber and pads, then you can lap until it runs out of fuel. Or tyres 😂 They won’t overheat, you don’t have to worry about oil surge and despite its weight it’s actually not expensive to track as it doesn’t need any mods. I’ve done probably 15k track miles in mine and it’s never gone wrong. They did such a good job with F8X. 140 also great but cooling and oil surge not as good. Not as much power either. There’s not much difference in cost to buy so F8X no brainer.

But this is the only track in the UK that allows this! Anywhere else and black flag after half a lap! I love this place 😍

Thank you mate!! I got schooled at Knockhill too 😂

I think you should do that, you’re too quick on cup 2, the AD09 might slow you down a bit 🤞😂 If you do get them, check ATS for prices esp over bank holidays etc. Mine were £600 fitted for 275+295/30/19.

Yes please let us know. I’m sure they’ll be fine, if you can keep temps on the lower side and make sure pressures aren’t too high they should be ok. The car feels good on them, and great fun to do skids, but I couldn’t get them to go quickly other than the first use and even then they were still a couple of tenths off much smaller cup 2 at Brands 😢

28 psi which is perfect for this tyre and what Yokohama motorsport recommend. I think they don’t like the heat.

Yeah. And that's the same with all car stuff 😂 The AD09's were quickish but only on the first heat cycle. On their third heat cycle they only managed the same time as the old AD08R. They feel good but when considering the competition and cost I think there are better track tyres.

I did a video review on them, it’s a couple of videos back on my channel. They’re ok but I wouldn’t pay full retail for them. If I were you I’d go for a set of star marked cup 2 in 245/265. I’ve used a few sets of these on my M4 and they’re almost as fast as AR-1 but last much longer, don’t drop off like AD09 (and are quicker), and work at higher temps. I don’t have any experience of CRS but I bet they’re brilliant, too expensive at the moment for me to try.

It could be but I think they were just heat cycled out. The first time I used them they were quite quick then dropped off hugely. They’ve probably done about 3 hours track time.

Ahh shame you didn't! Do it, MDM is there as a safety if you need it 👍👍

Thank you 🙏 the brakes were squeaking though 😂😂 there was only about 3 mm left by the end 😬

I think you'll be quicker on A052 but don't be surprised if you get through a set in a day! As above I'm only using A052 because they were less expensive, I wouldn't pay full retail for them. If you can get a full set of AR-1 maybe that's the answer, they won't last as long as cup 2 but probably will be a bit quicker. I'm sure you know they're noisy and ride hard.

Thanks! Thanks also for your hardrace recommendation, I was looking at SPL but will check these out. The car already has camber plates and Bilstein B16 passive dampers. Running about -3 fr and -2 rear but it needs much more. Think with the A052 over 4 deg front would be better, 3 deg rear maybe, only one way to find out. I'm sure you know but all those tyres will die quickly without enough camber. The cup 2 will last the longest by probably hundreds of track miles, then AR-1 (which for the type of tyre it is, actually lasts well), then A052 which I wouldn't use if paying full retail, they wear out too quickly!! If you use cup 2 make sure you get the star marked BMW tyres, I've used lots of different versions of cup 2 and found that only the star marked ones are quick on the M4. Mostly, I just use the cup 2 from F87 M2 as there's good, cheap, supply and they're very quick. It really doesn't matter they're slightly smaller as the car will still put in competitive laps on them.

I’ve run 265/35/19 fr, 275/35/19 rear in AR1 and also 275/35/19 square on stock wheels. It’s fine to run these sizes, you can check on the Nankang website for confirmation 👍

@@samellio I see. Also have you tested A052 in stock sizes? I'm seeing that they are also avalible

I've run a few sets of A052's but in 18's and part worn. Coincidentally, I'm picking up some A052 in 245/35/19 and 275/35/19 tomorrow that look almost new. The52's are fast tyres but in UK are very expensive and wear out very quickly. When they're worn they pick up punctures so you don't want to use the last bit. Time wise, I never beat any PB's on them but the ones I used had been raced on and were nearly dead. I'll try a couple of sets of nearly new A052 now, so interested to see how they do 👍

It’s in Bedfordshire England. Unfortunately no lap time which is annoying. Everything else is really good.

I’m afraid not, it looks to be more of a road tyre.

Thank you 🙏

PB is 52.4 but that was on brand new ar-1 and with car making a bit more power. On these tyres, 52.9 but they only did that once. Pads are EBC RPX.

So far so good but I’ll reserve judgment until they’ve done some more track days, sometimes tyres work well the first time then heat cycle out despite having lots of tread, the older AD08R were a bit like this. 265/35/19 + 295/30/19 I wouldn’t use, the 30 at the rear will drop the rear height by 10mm at least and when using on track imagine it’ll understeer. With 275 and 295 I could’ve done with more front grip but will probably solve this with adjusting the dampers. No bulging. You can check Yokohama website to see what size rims they recommend. If you go 265/35/19 front I think you’ll rub with a spacer, I’ve tried that size in cup 2 with 12mm spacer and it would rub. If you run same sizes as me it’ll lower the car about 10 mm, so if you have clearance issues beware.

@@samellio Very interesting. I've looked up the Yoko website and you're right minimum for 275/30R19 is 9" and minimum for 295/30R19 y 10" so oem wheels spec. I'm running right now 15mm spacer upfront with 255/35R19 and about -2,7 camber with KW and haven't had any rubbing issues upfront but 275/35R19 with 12mm spacer on the rear and on very hard compresion has light rub in the fender liners. That's why I was thinking puting the 12 mm spacer upfront with 265/35 and running 295/30 without any spacer in the rear. Also I think your setup will be better for the abs as both axels will be propotional to OEM specs. I need to make some calculations then. Do you have some pictures of how the tires fits to the wheel? I would love to run my 763m with the ad09 for track use.

I wouldn’t worry about the abs, I’ve run lots of different setups, loads of square setups but also 265fr/305rear and never noticed any difference. On this track, the fastest it’s ever gone was on 275/35/19 square on stock wheels, no spacer front and 12mm rear. I’ve got pictures of the tyres on the wheels but no easy way to share them, they look fine, certainly not ballooned. If these tyres work well for a lot of heat cycles I may go for 265/35/19 front and 285/35/19 rear only because it gives the car more height so will clear my drive better. The 275/30/19 and 295/30/19 are perfect if you don’t mind the car a bit lower. Also, here in UK price of ad09 is £600 (700$)a set in these prices. If they were the same price as ar-1 I’d buy ar-1.

@@samellio 265/35/19 & 285/35/19 was also an option that I thought about but I thought that 295 on the rear may the best option to maximize track grip. About AR-1 I would also order them but they just don't make many good 19" options and I've been told the grear difference of the ad09 vs normal semis are that they come with more thread depth and they last significantly more. I'll wait to hear from you about what you think about 275&295 and I will go for either that or the 265/35/19 & 285/35/19 combo.

nice bmi

Thank you 🙏 hope to catch up soon mate 👍👍

That’s great and good on you for getting nannies off. Just enjoy it, I’d keep Nannie’s on too unless you’re really confident with doing huge skids 😂 I’ve heard they’re brilliant on G8x Was your car stock?

@@samellio Only by turning them off did I realise how much MDM works the rear pads, well that and the wear on the pads. Its quite liberating having TC off, at least in the dry and I did build a little more pace towards the end of the day. The XDrive (4wd sport mode) no doubt provides some backup too. Cars not quite stock. Running the following performance enhancing mods Stage 1 remap (Helpful on straight but requires light touch elsewhere) Front castor bushes Rear Toe Arms Fast Road Alignment EBC RPX front pads, Bluestuff rears And the following non performance enhancing mods Remus Exhaust MST Intake Ebiach lowering springs Some fresh rubber will be next on this list possibly followed by front camber plates (think its only at -1.5 at the front atm)

That’s a perfect list of mods! I also run the RPX pads, all you need. Camber plates really worth doing if you’re planning on a few track days, then good to go. I’ve had my F82 for 6 years, first thing I did was camber plates. Then got a map and only last month changed suspension. If I was running G8X I’d do the same, the stock suspension looks really good 👍

They’re racing pads so are meant to do that 👍

Running AD09 at 28 psi hot, 275/3019 fr, 295/3019 rear. My first time with them and I think they're going to be great. Seems they don't like to be too hot, lapping in high 52 when sub 50c, then low 53 when sub 100c. Really enjoyed how they felt on the car!

Thanks Duncan!! What pressures were you running the AD09? I went for 28 hot, I think they might work better when cooler as 4 tenths difference is a lot at Brands. Exactly as you say though, it's a compromise and I'll gladly take a tyre that's nearly as quick for half the price that probably lasts more than twice as long! Heard some good things about the DS3.12 but they're far more expensive than RPX and I'm really happy with them. Problem with suspension is most of the people that sell it know nothing and most of the people that recommend it the same 😂 I'm so pleased I didn't follow any trends and spend over 3k on suspension that would require rebuilding every other year for no real benefit. The Bilsteins are monotube and TUV approved so should last. The adjustment makes a huge difference and having 10 clicks of adjustment is more than enough. Kits that boast 3000 different adjustments are ridiculous, it would take 25 years to work out settings 🤣 B16 are stiffer than my old mperfromance HAS kit but less crashy, I'd say they pretty much nailed the springs and dampers, its very stiff when on full hard, then very much softer when full soft. If you want to change them Bilstein UK will revalve and give you different springs.

Thanks for comment, agree about the BMWM being amazing! Respectfully, I’d disagree with your advice, check some of the BTCC drivers laps for advice on lines, if you think taking later apex at druids is quicker you could save a lot of time. Have you ever driven Brands? The E46 should’ve much quicker than me, it was on slicks vs my roads tyres, aero, had similar power to weight yet was doing similar lap times. It was fantastic session 👏

@@samellio BTCC cars are very different. 🙂I don't mean very late apex, I just mean later than the line you were taking in this video. Sorry if I offended you, I actually watched a few videos of yours and enjoyed your driving, it was just a suggestion to try something else if you are into squeezing more out of the car. Yes, I have driven at Brands Hatch - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/br94fpuql6rSemw.html

No offence taken and thanks for comment, it’s good to always try to be less slow!! I’ve done literally tens of thousands of laps of brands over many years, I think if you’re a novice you do the late apex thing but it’s not for me, it was something I was confused over for a long time because some people said to do it but always felt faster turning earlier. Then when trying to keep up with people that get paid to drive I copied them. You can take lots of different lines I think. It all just comes down to what lap times you get 👍

Thank you! It runs a map but otherwise stock, probably about 500bhp.

Cheers Billy 🙏

Thank you! Yes, I’ve tried most pads for this calliper, I like the ferodo pads but with heavy use they tend to fall apart, the corners of the pad have broken off and they’ve only done about 40 mins of track time, it’s the same with the DS1.11. Also find after ten minutes of hard use you find pedal going slightly longer so you lose some confidence. My favourite is the EBC RPX. They have totally consistent pedal over the life of the pad and don’t fall apart. I find I’m most confident in braking with these pads. And they’re cheaper than the others 👏👏👏

Thank you. Yes Zaid is quick, GT4 is also such a fast car!

Thank you 🙏 it’s a GoPro 11 with one of the GoPro sticker mounts to the interior light. Then a universal arm from Amazon of about 5cm attached to the GoPro. The image stabilisation is required but the picture is great. 4k at 60 fps.

@@samellio Right, purchased a universal mount and used the GoPro sticker mount on the interior light. Do you just set the stabilisation to Auto, i.e. On?

@DavidYu2007 yes, I have a GoPro 11 and I have it set to on or maybe auto I can’t remember. But you will definitely need it as the arm shakes hugely!

@@DavidYu2007oh and if you get a high amp cigarette charger you can hard wire it to go pro so you don’t have to mess about with changing batteries. I also turn spot meter on, then leave the camera on the whole day as every time you turn off it defaults to spot meter off 👍

@@DavidYu2007lol and finally if you have voice control it works so you can stop and start it using voice commands

I think probably 450 ish and he also had passenger so similar weight to M4 with 500. Could also be his slicks weren’t warm enough, I think he was probably giving a hot lap so no chance to warm up properly.

😂😂I think he was probably doing a hot lap for the experience day customer. Usually those cars are driven quite gently, but this guy was very quick👏👏

Yes they’re a great pad, also the ds uno very good. My favourite is the EBC RPX as they’re a fair bit cheaper and very consistent over long sessions. I’ve used countless sets of most pad on F8x, wish they lasted longer but it’s a heavy, fast car.

Do it!! Great track 👏👏👏

Thanks Ben! Yes it was really great!! The Honda was very quick too 👏👏

Thank you! The front tyres were on canvas so not the quickest but still fun. The car has camber plates, mperformance HAS, ds1.11 pads and a Litchfield map.

How's the mpeform suspension? I was here on the 26th, gold BMW. I normally run 1.11 pads, tried RP1's, not quite as good imo.

@@JakeBM4it’s really good, you can corner balance and with camber plates have good track setup. A bit soft but still very quick on track and fine on road. Which gold bmw? You should try the EBC RPX pads, my favourite pad.

Great to meet you and fingers crossed see you again soon 👍👍

Thank you 🙏 I use a GoPro sticker mount to the interior light then an arm from Amazon that’s about 10 cm. The GoPro image stabilisation has to be on otherwise for it to work.

Awesome skidz, but how do you not get black flagged, Bedford are normally terrible for black flagging “drifting”? I’m guessing your M4 is RWD, not XDrive?

@@DavidYu2007 Thanks mate! I did get shown the no drifting board but thankfully no black flag. I was expecting it lol! The M4 is F82 so no xdrive, only RWD :)

Thank you 🙏 it’s running the stock shocks with the BMW M Performance height adjustable springs plus camber plates. That’s it mod wise other than a map from litchfield and RPX to pads 👍

They’re Millway Street plates? Any additional NVH pls over stock?

They’re ground control and no nasty rattling like you get with camber plates on other cars. I’ve heard the Milway plates are also quiet but can’t confirm.

Thank you. Any increased tyre noise etc? Any downsides basically?!

You’re welcome 👍 you do get some extra road noise but unlike every other car I’ve had with camber plates, you don’t get the annoying rattle over low speed bumps. You wouldn’t know they were there unless you did back to back with a standard car. I doubt you’ll notice any difference, I don’t think most people do with F8X.

Thank you 🙏 lol I’ve been thinking about suspension/cage etc for years, maybe one day! 🤞👍

Good luck in finding one, brilliant cars. They do have an elsd that works when car is in dsc off, but it doesn’t really work at high speed on dry. The BMW m performance LSD can be bought new sometimes for about £1300, you just need to look out for the best deal. Haha Bedford are strict, same as any MSV track really. If you want to have fun go to thruxton!!

No it’s ok, I coat the wheels so most of it comes off with jet wash and wheel cleaner. Sponge does the rest.

BMW M Performance 👍

It limits wheel spin a bit, even on full throttle, but still allows plenty of slip.