Question, Why not the I3-10105(f)? its only more expensive by 5 dollars here and sometimes slightly more performant apparently.

I would like you to test a compressor type CPU cooling device that uses gas refrigerant like a freezer in a fridge rather than water cooling. I do know if such a device even exists but that kind of cooling in a all in one CPU cooler has got to be better than the water. I have seen 12 volt compressors for trucks air con. Thanks.

The 3100, 3300X, and, chery on the cake, 4100 :D

tbf, as I said in my own comment below, R5 3600. I mean, what else ? Superbudget on some A320 ( my Asus A320 M-K costed me 35$ )... And its the CPU that as you 11:47 said - its still relevant ! The universal king of budget PC, probably the most beloved CPU in EU in last 3 years. ( ...and, as Steve from HWunboxed showed us, is pretty close to 5600 in games. Especialy while paired with budget GPU - RX6600XT - which is also the king of budget FPS / $ chart )

Would have liked to have seen 6700K/7700K numbers in this review since the i3-10100F is basically a refreshed version.

Yep, exactly.

Yeah, though the 3600 pretty quickly dropped to very attractive prices which when considered with the full platform costs and features kinda made anything below it irrelevant.

My theory is that 3300X mainly exist as a real SKU in developing market, and a SKU to get positive review and upsell people 3600 in other countries.

if only AMD made a 5300X that was actually competitive with the i3-12100F

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@@Dark88Dragon Hello! :)

Gigabyte B560M H allows over 2666 XMP on i3 as well

@@MrSkollll Thanks, their specs only list OC speeds specifically for i5/i7/i9 CPUs and exclude the i3. But I also found evidence that the Aorus branded Gigabyte B560's work with XMP here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iJOPoZt807bVoX0.html . However the one I'm really interested in is the DS3H, since that one is $60. It lists the same memory spec as the Aorus Pro B560. I'm guessing if the even more cut down H board allows XMP above 2666 then certainly the DS3H should.

10100f + b460 motherboard.... See a 10600k or 10700k at a good price.... Oh I have to buy a z series board to use it properly. Or 10100f with z 490 motherboard.... Oh look a cheap 10700k etc.... Drops right in. Saved buying another motherboard and the complete pain of changing said motherboard. Point being you're finding good Z490 boards for not much more than a good b460 board. The z series option has a greater upgrade path

not to mention you can also economize in cheaper motherboards, because DAMN, those 12th gen intel motherboards are much more expensive, and there are much more quantity of motherboard that supports 10th gen nowadays, so not only you'll get 40$ more for the processor difference, who knows, you might get like 20-30$ from the motherboard too

VS Linus Tech tips of "HEY GUYS HERE'S A 10K BUILD" every other month.

@@InvadeNormandy Linus is more for the enthusiast and whack ass builds. Although his occasional consumer targeted builds are pretty reasonable. There are worse content creators out there. Snobbing at last gen products and generally discouraging the budget market. "DONT BUY THE 3050/6600 GUYS BUT A 3070 OR 6800XT INSTEAD BECAUSE THEY GIVE HIGHER FPS AND ONLY COST DOUBLE MORE!!!! WHAT'S THAT A RYZEN 5 3600 IN 2022???? IT WILL BOTTLENECK BECAUSE ITS OLD REGARDLESS IF YOUR PAIRING IT UP WITH A 300$ GPU!!!!"

@@loowick4074 that's so true. Since i don't play any competitive games, getting 60 fps on high settings in 1080p is enough for me. Nowadays 750 or so dollars could get you a nice full setup, I'm talking about PC, peripheral, desk, chair, monitor and all the stuff.

Totally forgot about the 10105F! Good point.

@@GamersNexus its about the same price or cheaper than the 10100f where I live. Oh and b560s allow mem ocs aswell and their as cheap as h410 in Canada at least!

@@haywire9174 Yeah same! Built a budget gaming rig for a pal with the 10105F, was a few euros cheaper than the 10100F. Supply demand and all that... I know this isn't the focus of this channel, but beyond that, 10th gen on the used market is really good value these days. Even 11th gen only relevant CPU, the 11400F, can be found pretty cheap

I paired a 10100f with a 1650S, H570, and 16GB@3733Mhz (I’m a novice at timings CL 22). It chokes on 4K60 Ultra, but I can manage 1440p with medium settings.

@@zeroturn7091 high memory speed for Intel CPUs aren't necessary, it's all about the timings. AMD CPUs benifit from high speed memory

What’s your gpu? Im planning to buy 10105f i3. And i think I’m going to pair it with rtx 3060. Will the processor bottleneck the gpu?

@@nickcastor1583 When I first built it I had it paired with an RX 6600, which is really close to a 3060. For 1080p I think it's a pretty balanced build. At 1440p the GPU was definitely the bottleneck. Now I've got a 3080 in there that lets me play at 4k. Seems silly to have a 3080 with a i3, but in most newer games the i3 still isn't bottlenecking too much at the higher resolution. Again, it can push out 60+fps, which is kind of the threshold for a good experience.

@@SasquatchComposites many thanks. You cleared everything.

from 60fps to above is a small imrpovement to the experience, AND is a huge downside for your wallet, like, i dont get why people are this obsessed to get 60FPS+ in games that aren't competitive (or where it doesn't matter that much), i was rocking with my 24fps playing zelda BOTW the first time i completed it, and it was a GOOD experience, i enjoyed every bit of that game, i didnt needed 144fps average to enjoy it, so thats why im staying with this entry level i3, and im buying a rx 550 so i can at least enjoy some new titles at 30fps. and believe me, that IS huge improvement, believe it or not i was having fun in playing spiderman at bare minimum with 800x600 resolution at 10-20fps, i even advanced in story, but sadly it is quite unplayable, i need to get at least 20-30fps in most titles to not have a seizuren lmfao

@@NFYT when u play competitive or u ever played on more than 60 hz u just cant get back to it. The eyes and the brain cant get over it. I just so un smoove that u feeling lost without high framrate and hz

Wow! $70 in bulk is great.

You really don't want B460, though. That locks your RAM down to JEDEC specs (low frequency and high latency). B560 lets you use XMP profiles for a big RAM speed boost.

should get b560,b460 has no ram oc capability

@@madcrowmaxwell right, and when okay B560 boards get to sub $80, they'd be suitable choices. Plus, many of the boards I would get only run pcie 4.0 in the top m.2 slot, and disable it entirely without 11th gen which is just unacceptable compared to running ram at 2666 instead of 3200.

@@joemarais7683 10th gen doesn't support 4.0 anyway. Stepping up to a newer board and getting proper RAM speed and timings even if you still won't get PCI-E 4.0 is probably worth it.

B460 also allows XMP. It's not overclocking, but at least you get to run at rated speeds (within CPU support) and latency.

I'm on a 10980XE since launch. It definitely has a much better time with games that for some reason love more cores. Barely an overclock on it (4.3Ghz all core). I don't regret going X299 and probably won't be looking at another CPU until 2025. But I barely game, I'm talking about general performance and I do other stuff with it and it works perfectly, and for the few games I play, I don't mind gaming CPUs being faster, it's a difference I don't notice or care about because everything else is great and it can still game. I've had the XE and been on X299 since 2020.

The channel the good old gamer is making videos about some of those cpus

problem is X299 cpus has less than skylake in single thread preformance(IPC), and worse power saving features, so even a 9/10th gen skylake based cosnumer platform will typically send them flying for pure gaming benchmarks. Most games dosnt need 8+ cores or gain notthing from that. So lower power more efficient I5 9600/ I7 8700 and 10100/10400 cpus actually would typically make more sence, than to spend much on X299 outside of productivity. You will pay more + more in energy to run it, + get same or often lower preformance out of the X299 stuff than any (older mid-high range skylake desktop parts).

@@AdaaDK skylake-x has marginally superior IPC to skylake and some cache differences. the reason it's not good for gaming is the memory latency. and its power draw, but if it still performs then it still performs.

X299 should be avoided at all costs due to low IPC and enormous power draw, there are much better budget options available. The CPU's are glorified Xeons with not-so-great gaming performance due to mesh instead of ring bus arch.

mine seems to be still holding up well on my old Z270 Gigabyte Gaming Board.Just upgraded the Ram to 16GB 3600MhZ CL16 , giving it another lease of life.

@@michaelbaldwin5953 Bios mod that bish and drop a 9900K in it.

@@Darkfiberke hello /g/entleman, how are you cooling that ford truck of a cpu?

@@aman28june just a simple coolermaster block...

@@Darkfiberke you do realize 10100f is like 5% shy of a i7 7700....don't think your 2600k oc at 5.1ghz will run any circles around it, won't even come close at all.

Ikr. Like we supposed to buy a new cpu every year or something?! XD

It's just insane,console comes out and games are being made for it like for 7 years or more,but hey cpu old 2 years and gpu oh noooo,that is fkn old outdated change it asap,just shows you mentality of today kids. Now i get it if you are buying parts for pc,and there's not much difference in price old vs new,you should get new (specially if there's huge performance boost) but here's the thing people still recomend ryzen 5 3600 which was released in July 7 2019,but that's not old right? Yeah weirdos everywhere smh.

It's still brand-new unless if Intel discontinued their production.... Like Coffee Lake (8&9 gen), discontinued 1 day before 2021's Christmas. There's so called max order date (when it'll get discontinued) and max shipping date (which is stockpiled items/production according to orders)

It's a rebranded i7 7700 with extra features mostly.

@@Spido68_the_spectator but with lower price

Yeah - for someone with less experience, it would be useful to know at what point one'll get bottlenecked on one or the other, so that they don't spend "a bit more" on a part that won't help much while the other part is struggling.

The reason why this GPU is used is to make sure it's a "pure" CPU test, you can basically scale down with each tier Eg - 80=100 fps 70=80 fps and so on all the way down GPU tiers (example numbers) GPU benchmark can give you %s My 1070 gets around 70-110 fps on games with a 5800x

You could go for i3 12100f ???

@@chaitanya9105 the motherboards are expensive

This. Lots of people looking for a budget gaming rig are also looking for budget games. That means a mix of F2P games, indie games, and older games that can bought cheap on Steam or GoG. Obviously a full test suite isn't going to happen, but a look or two at Genshin or LoL would be super helpful for the demographic.

@@madcrowmaxwell so much!!! also console users already spent a big size of their "entertainment" budget on a console + $80 games, they don't have much left for beefy PC or big games (or even know much about the keys/giveaway routes) so focusing on "free but hard to run" games like genshin impact is a must in low budget builds!!

Your i7-8700k is better than the i3-10100F and worth $300+

I bought an i5 10600k and an msi z490 pro mobo for $250 on a bundle deal a year ago and its still far more cpu than I need with a 3080 running 4k.

@@Robbie-mw5uu 300 is the price of a 12700 non k .. The 8700k should go for 80 or 90 these days.

A straight decade of Intel pushing single core performance by 5-10% per generation has done strange things to the PC landscape. Software can't really progress at the speed CPUs are currently progressing because of the absurdly large install base of CPUs which are "practically the same", which all belong to people who got the idea that once you've bought a PC you've bought a PC.... and yes, I'm writing this on my 12 year old coffee-table-laptop.

Dont be harsh on yourself lol, I had a I7 4790

This was also on a z390 tomahawk ($140) so it’ll be perfect if he decides to upgrade to a higher end cpu later down the road.

you know what didnt age well Gamers Nexus calling Intel gen 10 and 11 a waste of sand and that PCI gen 4.0 is useless because theirs no NVME,s or M.2,s that use 4.0 speed yet that are 15gbsecond all the way up too 256gb a second and that theirs no GPU,s that use PCIexpress 4.0 either .. well guess what eat your words the 10th and 11th gen CPU,s where actually handy capped due too transfer speeds and if you get a NVME m.2 gen 4 loaded up with windows 10 and games it actaully performs better and faster and allows the chips too use their full potential very snappy and quick . imagine a i3 10100 or better like a i5 11400 with a M.2 nvme 1tb gen 4 , 16gb ram and a Z590 or Z490 plus a RTX 2060 or 3060 blowing everything out of the water Ryzen has in the 5000-6000 lineup isnt that a twist !!!! i guess you can eat your words Tech jesus you have been checkmated and are now offically a waste of sand !!!!

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Nooooo... You need a ryzen 9 atleast with katana rocket motherboard and 32gb ddr5 to balance the 3070!!!! r/pcmasterrace told me soooooo

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@@loowick4074 Also needs to be RGB ram and have a custom water cooling loop

Nice to have someone spell this out, thanks!

Same!

@@my.way.gaming561 What GPU are you using?

@@UnboxerofWorlds rtx 2080 super

@@my.way.gaming561 That's awesome. I've got an RTX 3060.